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Crackdown on 80,000 immigrant wives with free pass to Britain
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by Babel-Fish | August 2, 2009 at 02:52 am
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A highly controversial crackdown on immigrants accused of abusing welfare handouts is to be unveiled by Home Secretary Alan Johnson this week.
He plans to ban wives brought here, mainly from India and Pakistan, from receiving child benefit and a wide range of other state aid unless they learn English, support British values and do voluntary work in the community.
The move could affect up to 80,000 immigrants who are allowed to settle permanently in Britain each year after marrying a UK citizen.
Many come from remote villages in the subcontinent, have little formal education and cannot speak a word of English. Under existing laws, they are automatically given indefinite leave to remain after just two years.
Crucially, that qualifies them to receive state benefits, even if they never become British citizens with UK passports or learn English.
Its the last paragraph that worries me, why was they ever allowed state benefits that are paid out of taxes by British citizens. They should never been allowed these benefits in the first place its totally wrong.
It is only right that those that want to live and be a citizen in any country should speak the national language. That their old culture should be adapted to the country they wish to live in and the laws and culture should not be changed to suit them. I am a British citizen and I can not expect any country I wish to be a national of. Here in the Philippines I would need to speak Tagalog and be able to sing the national anthem in Tagalog.
We can not afford to be any different in United Kingdom its time to stop the handouts to non nationals and to even think of changing our laws. Those that want to be British need to learn to be British and be able to melt in to our culture.
I am far from being a racialist and I accept the requirements here in the Philippines to be a national as being non racialist as well. The two year requirement in UK is much shorter than the eleven years required residency to become a Filipino national. Though it can be shorten to 6 years through the courts.
I wonder how long it takes to be a national in the countries these immigrant have been born in? What about being fair and balanced that the length of residency is matched to that of the immigrant country of origin as that's how long a British citizen would have to wait to be a national there.
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at 02:53 on August 2nd, 2009
It should be as fair as possible to all concerned
at 04:11 on August 2nd, 2009
This is the same with any country that has embraced official multi-culturalism. Barry Artist had a story on this yesterday
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/not-domestic-violence
at 04:57 on August 2nd, 2009
It would better I think to consult the citizen that where their prior to the mass Exodus about how their tax money would be used on non nationals and also the need to get use to new cultures that would not adapt to the nations original culture and whole communities with thousands of non English speaking citizens.
That amongst some of these new British national there would be groups of people that hate the white indigenous natives. That many of these new national would not respect woman rights and also be lobbying for religious laws. I my self have become an indigenous native of Great Britain in fact in many cities its hard to find members of my indigenous race of Britons.
I still pay my taxes in UK and when I find that some is going to non nationals it does not make me smile not in the least.
Thanks for the link that shows this problem not just in my home land. What are these politicians that made these legislation thinking of its only now governments are in debt that they want to stop what should never been started.
at 05:30 on August 2nd, 2009
It would be interesting to have comments from the immigrants' intepreterers on this subject.The thing with the Daily Mail, these immigrants do not appear to have a voice whatsoever. Let's get to see what the 'immigrants' say on Now Public.
Ironically many Brits don't know the words of the National Anthem and often you can see people just 'mouth it' at football matches as they don't know the words.
I am just 'throwing comments' for discussion.
at 17:17 on August 2nd, 2009
And what are those immigrants going to say? I know what the tax payer is saying under their breaths. What right has a non national have in any nation in this world to funds from that nations national purse?
at 07:24 on August 2nd, 2009
Another thing, sometimes immigrants can offer positive things to society. For example, they are often more family focussed (In Britain, we do our best to leave some of our old people to die alone, dead for days) and some don't drink because of their religion, and in Britain, much of our Health Service is full of British alcoholics. Criime is rife too and some countries are far more stricter than us. Then the food, some of it is is much healthier than ours such as rice, as opposed to greasy English Breakfast.
Some timeswe can learn from them although I do believe they have to learn English and there are plenty of free English classes around.
Sometimes I wonder why on earth they want to come here.
at 17:24 on August 2nd, 2009
Their culture may give indication to that, but believe me some of their parents die just the same way no cultures ideal.
Many British people are family orientated is that something you have not known or seen?
What ever migrants can offer to UK does not mean UK should offer my tax money to non nationals they need to earn and prove the right by being useful to British society and by melting with in British culture and not trying to change it to their own
at 04:05 on August 3rd, 2009
Well, some of the British people suddenly become all 'family orientated' when the will is read it and then they hotly contest it, when their elderly Aunt Mary 'leaves it all in a legacy to Battersea Dogs Home'. Call me cynical. If Brits were so family orientated they wouldn't leaving their small kids alone in hotel apartments while they have meals with pals.
I would agree that people need to contribute to society in order to 'earn from it' both immigrants and British people.
at 07:13 on August 3rd, 2009
Are you pigeon holing all British people in the hole that is made by just the bad ambassadors or is this gleaned from your own family related views? Please do not answer the later just think about it.
Being a bit of a patriot and knowing the words to the national anthem I have uploaded the national anthem for those that can not remember the words.
British families differ from country side to urban and metro. Many families are very close, mine was not I must admit. But being in a position of meeting a Hugh group of my country men when I served in the forces I found, see and got to know about families.
Being a person also that lived in many countries and now lives in south east Asia i have learned a lot about families of other cultures and nations. Its not the same as many culture wish you to believe, that's for sure each and every one have people that do not follow the culture.
My family on my mothers side where and still are very close, my father side are not as they have wander far way from Wales and are mostly scatter across the World. Some are in Australia, New Zealand, Canadia and Africa. I have become a wander also military, adventure and the love of seeing the World meeting new people has over shadowed family.
Cultures have been changed in UK the state as took over look after the old. The third world still sees the need of the young to look after the old. This in fact has its problems as many of the old get very selfish. Many of the family siblings do not want to work but rely on the ones that do to send the money to the family ancestral home where they still live. Its certainly not ideal, women are made to marry men with money to help finance the family.
All cultures have similar problems extra are added by out dated religious laws or laws made up by religious leaders. All these problems are being brought into British society and many immigrants do not want to adapt to British culture but want British culture to adapt to their culture including their laws.
I am not taking a racialist approach but a save whats left of our culture approach, save our language approach and not spend our money on non nationals that have no rights to the public purse.
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at 05:39 on August 2nd, 2009
Some of these people may even be friendly to you. In Southern Britain, it is lucky that they even bother to grunt Good Morning.
at 05:42 on August 2nd, 2009
I must admit I am a natural 'expat' and when I went to the Middle East and Hong Kong and I learned Arabic and Cantonese, in fact, I probably went 'native'.
at 17:28 on August 3rd, 2009
I am actually very Filipino in my ways now, it rubs off when you accept the culture, eat the same food hang about with Filipino friends and socialize and start respecting a differing logic way of thinking. Understanding the languages gives you much more insight to the culture. Its a case of do what the Romans do in Rome. However here I am more like a middle class Filipino as I like my comforts and also intelligent conversation. Perhaps I have become a native snob, lol
at 11:15 on August 5th, 2009
Those found guilty of abusing laws must be punished according to the law of the land.But scrapping benefits to those who genuinely need these doesn't make sense.
Cultural integeration must be promoted but not cultural assimilation.Before coming to Britain as immigrant,learning and acquiring working knowledge of English must be made compulsory and even if one has married a British citizen from any part of the world,issuance of immigrant visa must be made subject to learning english language.One shouldn't be allowed to join espouse without passing language test.
One can not eat his cake and have it too.
at 00:05 on August 3rd, 2009
I was under the impression that the partner has to support their wives without going on benefits. How has this changed?
at 00:07 on August 3rd, 2009
Learning the language must be compulsory. Even when they do find jobs, people who work with them cannot communicate with them because of that, and they may not even understand basic stuff that they need to know, like the word Fire or other useful word.
at 04:12 on August 3rd, 2009
I like the idea of them doing voluntary work in the community. I think every Brit should do that at some point anyway.
at 08:03 on August 3rd, 2009
Thanks for the story Babel-Fish.
Personally, I think Britain is doing the right thing. It's high time ALL Western countries start safeguarding itself from the damage that can be done to them from certain immigrants of third world countries, and one way they can do so is by implementing rules such as Britain has done.
at 09:33 on August 3rd, 2009
Yes though but common sense must be used, political asylum is an obvious problem such people that request such should be taught English within a dedicated enclosed village. They should be thoroughly vetted and found employment whilst waiting to be granted citizenship.
Illegal immigrants should all be sent back to their homeland and not even entertained., this has to be done as to stop illegal immigration. in some cases these people may be escaping tyranny, but if its known that's the way illegal immigration is treated in UK, UK will stop being a destination for benefit seekers and of course terrorist.
at 09:03 on August 6th, 2009
Misery loves company. Only someone who got booted from a Western country to the so called "third world" country know the real pain. No wonder such feelings flying around in internet forums.
at 07:37 on August 7th, 2009
Lol, no I can go back as the only record I have is a military one that granted a LSM and a very nice pension but if I didn't have to help pay for sponging immigrants benefits I expect my taxes would be lower. I am not on anyone's police list, nor have I caused trouble at home or abroad. lol
Nice troll remark but can't you do better. lol I can see why your not a member of nowpublic.com. lol
at 17:05 on October 20th, 2009
unity,love,God are the key of this world according to my own philosophy.I am a guy i Cameroon who wish to came and further my education in your country if any can help me out i will be very greatful.