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by joellerose | July 19, 2008 at 06:22 am
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Egypt signed a peace agreement with Israel (for which Anwar Sadat was assassinated by Islamic fundamentalists), and, over the years, many times other countries, mostly the U.S.A., have tried to broker a peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians. The last, significant negotiation, called the Oslo Accords, was brokered between President Clinton, the Palestinian leader, PLO Chairman Yasir Arafat, and the Israeli Premier,Yitzhak Rabin. Many Israelis objected to the terms of this agreement and replaced Rabin, while the Palestinians reacted by launching the “Intifada”, a never-ending state of terrorism against the Israelis, and the Oslo Accords came to naught.
Due to the rampant anti-semitism that exists in much of the world, Israel has often been portrayed as the monster in the conflict. When Hezbollah attacked Israel in the summer of 2006, both the Associated Press and Reuters were caught doctoring photographs and filing false reports (remember Cana) that condemned Israel unfairly. Now today, eight years later, we finally get the truth about another, widely-circulated false report:
Faux news
July 19, 2008 The Providence Journal
The Sept. 30, 2000, video of a 12-year-old Palestinian boy, Muhammed al-Dura, caught in a crossfire on the West Bank riveted the world. The voiceover said the boy had been deliberately targeted by the Israeli military. The Arab world responded vehemently. The incident still reverberates as a symbol of Israeli brutality and Palestinian victimization.
But it never happened. Shortly after the original broadcast, its veracity was questioned in many quarters. Evidence emerged that Israeli soldiers could not have shot the boy but that Palestinian fighters could have.
French media watchdog Philippe Karsenty accused Charles Enderlin, who as Mideast bureau chief for the official French TV network France2 had done the broadcast’s voiceover, and his Palestinian cameraman, of creating a hoax. Mr. Enderlin sued Mr. Karsenty for defamation.
At trial, evidence of a hoax was abundant if not conclusive. A stock film clip of an Israeli soldier shooting had been spliced into the broadcast video. Mr. Enderlin, who was not present, relied on his cameraman’s word that the child had been killed.
Frames edited out of the video showed the boy alive after the shooting stopped. France2 initially refused to hand over minutes of relevant video footage. When it was finally released, it showed Palestinians practicing for a range of hoaxes, including scenes of “wounded” Palestinians being rushed to ambulances (and then emerging with smiles on their faces).
Now a verdict exonerating Mr. Karsenty has been delivered by a French judge, Mme. Laurence Trébucq. Mr. Karsenty’s acquittal amounts to the disgrace of his accuser, and shines a much-needed spotlight on the “fauxtography” that sometimes masquerades as television news in the Middle East.
The verdict has been greeted largely with silence not only by the French media but throughout Europe, the Mideast (except Israel), and to an extent even in the United States. It is not beside the point that exonerations (seven so far) in the trial of eight U.S. Marines in the Haditha case have similarly attracted little attention, despite blanket coverage in the aftermath of charges of a massacre in Iraq in 2005.
The Palestinian cameraman who shot the al-Dura footage, Talal abu-Rahmah, once bragged that “I went into journalism to carry on the fight for my people.” Objectivity is not always the lodestar of journalism as practiced in the Muslim world, but it should be for Western media. The role of faux news in covering the Mideast deserves more scrutiny.
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at 08:29 on July 19th, 2008
Some of the facts are correct and others are not and I would love to get into it. However I am off for a cup of tea now! I was actually talking about the contend more so than the title! That must not have come across or be understood!
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/tel-aviv-al-jalzoon-refugee-camp-30-miles-world-away#comment-131007
Here you go some thing else to read to help put this into perspective!
at 09:15 on July 19th, 2008
What about it, Joel? Any reports at all anywhere on this?
at 09:23 on July 19th, 2008
Rene, you might be interested in a posting I did early in June:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/rep-murtha-disgrace-nation-and-marines
at 09:32 on July 19th, 2008
I must have missed that, I was very ill for weeks during that period. Anything new about that? I always had a feeling it was a 'setup'.
at 09:48 on July 19th, 2008
joellerose, I like this story. It's good stuff.
well we should look for peaceful solutions istead of calling each other names
at 10:52 on July 19th, 2008
zichi, could you give some reasons why you think "This is a bad post and does nothing for humanity or peace in this world."?
at 12:18 on July 19th, 2008
Is this really a worthwhile comment since, as you say, the decision was rendered at the end of May? Or is this a "baiting" comment? This report was carried by the Providence Journal, a highly respected newspaper, only this morning.
at 12:48 on July 19th, 2008
joellerose, I think almost everyone is missing the crux of this story. What your post points out is that many "journalists" have used their craft to spread propaganda for terrorists. Showing Israelis killing a boy when that didn't happen is a horrible thing to do and this journalist should lose his job and be condemned. How much violence did his propaganda piece lead to? How many people died because of this? Does the journalist even care?
As for the title - I thought you were talking about the journalist after reading the article and the terrorists who use children to advance their "cause." My only beef with it is that it is a vague title and if it weren't for my familiarity with your posts, I'm not sure I would have read it.
That being said, I think that this was a good post and warrants a flag.
By the way, I was wondering what some people who are complaining about this article would say if this article had been about calling American or Israeli soldiers "savages." I'm sure that if I looked on some left-wing blogs we could find enough comments/stories to fill up a hefty book.
From my point of view these people (terrorists mostly) are savages because of the tactics they use and because what they are fighting for is a radical society that suppresses the rights of everyone who doesn't toe the line exactly to their liking. The Taliban were/are savages and I think that Hamas and Hezbollah and many other terrorist groups are savages. Is this really that controversial a thing to say?
at 13:05 on July 19th, 2008
BigT, even though your comment is directed to Joellerose, I would like to thank you for bringing the matter into perspective! I was beginning to think I missed something:)!
at 19:06 on July 19th, 2008
This is very condescending and insulting Rhonda, Bringing it into perspective, this is in no way perspective nor objective, it is an opinion. Big T 's opinion or Yours! You are actually insulting people! And I know you need to have the last word so be my guest!
at 20:37 on July 19th, 2008
I think that the title can be construed as insulting to some but the post itself is very important. Don't you think it is wrong for journalists to stage something as horrible as soldiers killing an unarmed teenage boy? Especially when you consider the ramifications of that action I don't know how you couldn't condemn that.
at 21:08 on July 19th, 2008
Bit T, I said in a previous comment that I do agree that Faux News is unethical especially for Western Countries that like to portray them self as a beacon of Democracy, fair Laws and Moral values! That being said, the title is miss leading and counter productive as are some insinuation in the text it self as Zichi pointed out! Johnny S. Gave some good insight here and links to all sorts of different view points on the subject, yet non of them came even close to this Post! Due to the subject and the issue being a rather delicate one and easily used for racist and hate propagation, one has to be extremely careful in approaching and handling this issue especially as a writer! Even more so if one does wear an NW title or a crown! As far as Opinion goes and this being my last point that I noticed in this post, I was told by Rhonda on one of my first post that opinion has to be written out in the title, the heading of the article and in link section as well! This opinion was barely noticeable and I actually missed it the first time I read it! I my very first comment on this Post, I did agree with the Writer on his objection to Faux News and did ask why he then was writing faux news as well, the reaction was an attack and the rest well ended up being the list of comments that followed! As you may have read for your self! I did make a piece offering as well, referring to PEP's suggestion on the Title and so on! Yet I reacted to a comment from Rhonda that the Author took personally as directed to him even though I did make sure that I replied to Rhonda not the Author! Starting the hole thing over again, that is when Rene made that rather out of place remark and I left it at that! My last comment was directed directly to Rhonda and I made sure that it was clear this time! I did not appreciate the 3 NW and the way they handled it ! I have no problem with your comment nor the one directed at my self, why I am responding!
at 02:32 on July 20th, 2008
Paschen, thank you for your comments. I do, however, find it unfortunate that you interpret my comment to be "...very condescending and insulting..."; certainly not my intention. Nevertheless, it still holds that I am thankful to BigT for bringing this matter into perspective.
at 21:26 on July 19th, 2008
When talking about hoaxes , this is article is the worst hoax i have read all time.
Why would a Palestinian kill another ??? doesn't seem logical especially at the time of a conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians , and there is no evidence at all that this video is a Hoax, I think you are just trying to come up with a hoax to impress people , but its the worst !!! This video is real and the world knows that the child was killed in his fathers arms , and there were other videos from the hospital where the child and his father were moved to , and the media interviewed the Father as he also was shot and was about to die as his son. Not only was the cameraman the only evidence for that but also the ambulance people who were also interviewed.
Anyways this was not the only video of Israelis killing Palestinians and not just Palestinians , but killing women, children and innocent people, search the web and you will see for yourself Or do you think these are all hoaxes as well ? Don't you think there would be an Israeli killing a Palestinian at a time of a conflict ?
Islam is a religion of peace not as mentioned. If you want to judge a religion then you should read what this religion says for yourself, don't judge by looking at the people who use the name of Islam of things they do or people they kill. Peace treaties were not signed by Israelis not Palestinians by the way.
It is very clear that the writer was not very smart , and showing only one side of a story and showing that Israels are the good people , but i don't agree with that for many reasons, when talking about history , if you look at the history of Palestine , it shows clearly that it is original an Arab country to whom Jews immigrated to starting 1920, and also for some time Muslims and Jews used to live in peace together.
Unfortunately the mother of Israel the United states, supports Israel with Billions of Dollars and weapons of mass destruction ,demolishing tanks, helicopter gunships, and bullets that are used against Palestinian civilians, i am sure this is not what most Americans want, but politics is powerful that what a majority wants.
If we really care about Israel and Palestine we would have to stop being Bias and look for solutions in order to stop the conflict and we won't be able to do so by publishing stories on who is right and who isn't or who is good and who is bad , because that creates HATE between one another , and we live in a world at a time where LOVE is vanishing. So please try to find other ways in order to live in a more peaceful world !
at 09:38 on July 20th, 2008
Oh, here we go, with this anonymous (unverified) stuff. A true Islamist, from Palestine? wonder who this person is? could it be S....?
at 15:43 on July 20th, 2008
Rene , i don't get your message ??? What are trying to say ? I am signed in on this website but i happened to post something without logging in !! And no i am not from Palestine ! what difference does it make to you where i am from or what religion i belong to ? If you don't agree with what i wrote then oppose it and clarify what part you oppose like other people did.
It is somehow clear who is a Muslim and who is a Jew, but it does not make any difference here.
I think this site is for public and anyone could give his\her opinion and it should be respected.
Akram
at 21:39 on July 19th, 2008
When talking about hoaxes , this is article is the worst hoax i have read all time.
Why would a Palestinian kill another ??? doesn't seem logical especially at the time of a conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians , and there is no evidence at all that this video is a Hoax, I think you are just trying to come up with a hoax to impress people , but its the worst !!! This video is real and the world knows that the child was killed in his fathers arms , and there were other videos from the hospital where the child and his father were moved to , and the media interviewed the Father as he also was shot and was about to die as his son. Not only was the cameraman the only evidence for that but also the ambulance people who were also interviewed.
Anyways this was not the only video of Israelis killing Palestinians and not just Palestinians , but killing women, children and innocent people, search the web and you will see for yourself Or do you think these are all hoaxes as well ? Don't you think there would be an Israeli killing a Palestinian at a time of a conflict ?
Islam is a religion of peace not as mentioned. If you want to judge a religion then you should read what this religion says for yourself, don't judge by looking at the people who use the name of Islam of things they do or people they kill. Peace treaties were not signed by Israelis not Palestinians by the way.
It is very clear that the writer was not very smart , and showing only one side of a story and showing that Israels are the good people , but i don't agree with that for many reasons, when talking about history , if you look at the history of Palestine , it shows clearly that it is original an Arab country to whom Jews immigrated to starting 1920, and also for some time Muslims and Jews used to live in peace together.
Unfortunately the mother of Israel the United states, supports Israel with Billions of Dollars and weapons of mass destruction ,demolishing tanks, helicopter gunships, and bullets that are used against Palestinian civilians, i am sure this is not what most Americans want, but politics is powerful that what a majority wants.
If we really care about Israel and Palestine we would have to stop being Bias and look for solutions in order to stop the conflict and we won't be able to do so by publishing stories on who is right and who isn't or who is good and who is bad , because that creates HATE between one another , and we live in a world at a time where LOVE is vanishing. So please try to find other ways in order to live in a more peaceful world !
at 04:43 on July 20th, 2008
The above comment is amazing considering what we now know about this incident. As for Palestinians killing one another, do you think we are stupid and have no memories at all? We saw the Hamas thugs murdering Fatah supporters.
at 23:01 on July 19th, 2008
joellerose, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 05:27 on July 20th, 2008
It's the 'Palestinian' mainstream that supports genocide on the Jews (under a mask of "freedom fighting of course... at the time that the Islamo 'Palestinians' are about anything but freedom, the anti freedom for anyone 'Palestine' greased by international [racist] Arab power oil).
Who can forget the typical lynch they did in broad day light in 2000 Ramallah on 2 Israelis who simply lost their way?
The 'Palestinian animalism' butchery of taking out body-parts from their victims with bare hands and cheering with hysteria, that was en masse in public, by "regular" Muslim Palestinian-Arabs and their policemen... in public square with hundreds cheering on.
Or the stoning of kids, like those from Tkoa and writing with their blood on the wall, hateful messages.
Well, if you have any doubt that the middle east conflict is only Arab racism & Islamic bigotry, start the history of Arab racist massacres on Jews since 1800's... just at the time the Arab immigration began into the land of the Jews, long before the world bought the lie that the Arabs are "natives" to the land.
at 09:51 on July 20th, 2008
joellerose, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 16:28 on July 20th, 2008
Palestinians killing Palestinians still does not give Israel the right to kill children and innocent people !!