Decision Time About Afghanistan

by MilanSturgis | September 9, 2009 at 01:52 am
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The events of the past month are pushing this administration and the NATO alliance for definitive action in Afghanistan.  The attacks on NATO forces, NATO attacks on Taliban forces, further deaths of civilians and the disputed Presidential elections are all symptoms of a larger issue which is, what role is the US going to assume and maintain in Afghanistan.  The US and ISAF Commander, GEN Stanley McChrystal hinted that more troops would be necessary to protect the civilian population from further insurgent activity but has not directly requested this due to political fallout back here in Washington.  Meanwhile the Taliban continue to gain in the media war with each tenuous step made by Coalition forces such as the airstrike in Kunduz last week that Afghan authorities claim took over 80 civilian lives. Meanwhile the Obama White House continues to remain silent on the fragile nature of Afghanistan though he was a supporter of a more robust role last year while campaigning for President.  It’s time the White House came out and plainly stated its goals in Afghanistan to the American people.  This is a political risk because he runs the chance of criticism from his traditional political base but the present course cannot be sustained due to the undefined nature of our role. It’s is going to take more than GEN McChrystal banning alcohol at ISAF HQ (which he did last Friday after he failed to find key NATO staff following the Kunduz airstrike) to define a way forward.  It is going to take the President to take on this issue as he has with health care.  If the President can address the importance of students taking responsibility for their future as he did yesterday, he must address the role of the US in Afghanistan to the American people with the same candor.  

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

I couldn't agree more Milan.  There is growing discontent among NATO governments.  The air strike in Kunduz seems to have  caused a rift between the Germans and McChrystal.

Germany's constitution really forbids German troops from partaking in foreign wars and Chancellor Merkel is getting condemnation from her loyal opposition and this only three weeks ahead of an election.

The American public seems to be apathetic towards Afghanistan but I think they should start paying attention.  There is too much back and forth on domestic policies, while Afghanistan is turning into a quagmire.

Obama needs to address this war, the strategy and long time goals.

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a211423

Barbara Tuchman the famous historian writes in her award winning book March of Folly: From Troy to Viet Nam

In the illusion of omnipotence, American policy-makers took it for granted that on a given aim, especially in Asia, American will could be made to prevail.  This assumption came from the can-do character of a self-created nation and from the sense of competence and superpower derived from World War II.  If this is "arrogance of power, " in Senator Fulbright's phrase, it was not much the fatal hubris and over-extension that defeated Athens and Napoleon, and in the 20th century Germany and Japan, as it was failure to understand that problems and conflicts exist among other peoples that are not soluble by the application of American force or American techniques or even American goodwill.  "Nation-building" was the most presumptuous of the illusions.  Settlers of the North American continent had built a nation from Plymouth Rock to Valley Forge to the fulfilled frontier, yet failed to learn from their success that elsewhere, too, only the inhabitants can make the process work.

Let's hope Afghanistan does not become the folly of this century. In Viet Nam we were supposedly "saving the world" from Indochinese takeover and communism which was a residual of McCarthyism, but in Afghanistan the reasons become opaque and our presence less defined. 

Eisenhower warned us of "The Industrial Military Complex." He was referring to the relationship during conflicts among governements, military and industry.  What we saw happen in Iraq is an example of these interests supporting the continuation of the war, rather than bringing it to a swift end.  Afghanistan is at risk for turning into the same machine of production and profit and the gains shrinking in comparison to the cost in lives lost.

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The_Cynic

Naomi Kline (on youtube) says it perfectly methinks - the videos are in sequence from 1 - 6. Shock doctrine.

As to Afghanistan - if Obama is to do what he wants to do he has simple choices to make. Increase the numbers of US troops to a minimum of 120,000 and to get NATO involved - a lot more - or do a real radical thing. Get Russia to send in her troops in the North and work with NATO.

He could, and this is becoming more plausible, talk to the Taliban and other warlords. Pakistan is still the real problem to the east, and that has to be addressed by pushing the remnant militant Taliban into Pakistan for them to deal with.

You have to take into account that militant Islam is not going to go away, no matter how you fight a hot war. The only people who can deal with that are the people within nations effected by it.

Will that mean more loss of life? Obviously - but walking away isn't an option at this time.

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a211423

Cynic thank you for your comments

If we agree that the Taliban is the problem, how is pushing them into Pakinstan going solve the instability of the area.  They can use Pakistan as a staging area for attackes, which I think they are already doing.  The tribal areas are a combination of Taliban and native inhabitants, and they don't think they should be going anywhere.  It's their land, and they will fight whomever tries to infringe of them.

Also, even if what you say can be done, are you secure in the fact that Pakistan in its current political state can deal with the Taliban, or would this be risking a takeover by the Taliban of Pakistan?  

 

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The_Cynic

I look at the Swat valley, A. Pakistan is used now as a staging area for militant Taliban - there are Taliban that are willing to live their lives in relative peace; though I cannot see any western nation agreeing on that particular theocracy.

Afghanistan is, in effect, a non-country/nation, I won't go into the whole history of that 'nation' but tribalism is, and will be for the foreseeable future the norm. There is a possibility that Afghanistan could stabilise, I just cannot see it while there is tribalism as it is now.

Is Pakistan stable enough - I very much doubt it. Could the Taliban take over the whole of Pakistan? I doubt that, too. This is a far, far more complex region than we see on the national news - it cannot be, and won't be, a simple matter of electing a leader for the whole of Afghanistan and expect people to live in peace and harmony.

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a211423

Cynic

I agree that competing tribal societies where variations of from liberal to conservative to fanatical applications of religion prevent cohesive, harmonious existence.  And it is unrealistic that any of the tribes are willing to give up or give in to influences that challenge their religious lifestyles.  So what are we left with?  Who are we really fighting, and can we parse out the need to confront terrorism on supposedly its home front, but still attempt to justify the loss of lives. 

The answers appear to be almost unsurmountable : (   

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Barbara McPherson

This is an important subject and one that has no easy answers. Thanks for keeping the debate in the forefront.

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