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Does Obama meet the test of socialist?
First of all, only the President can declare whether he is or isn’t a socialist, and I am confident he will say that he is not. However, people will judge this characterization based on his decisions and choices. When I review the President’s past, I observe that his parents worked for the government. He has always worked for the government. He has never been a chief executive in the private sector and never a chief executive in the public sector before becoming president. Therefore, he is learning the CEO position on the job. His orientation is government and that would surely be more “socialist leaning” than not. While America declares that it is a capitalist society, there have been contradictions to this throughout history continuing to this day. A large portion of the American work force is employed by local, state, and federal government. Americans like the spirit of free enterprise and capitalism because these ideas are aligned with individual freedom and liberty. Yet, let’s be more specific in our review. 35.5% of the civilian workforce is employed by government as contractors. What percentage of the total U. S. employment is government? For that answer, I searched the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.
“With about 2.0 million civilian employees, the Federal Government, excluding the Postal Service, is the Nation's largest employer.
About 85 percent of Federal employees work outside the Washington, DC metropolitan area.
A substantial number of job openings will arise as many Federal workers are expected to retire over the next decade; competition is high during times of economic uncertainty, however, when workers seek the stability of Federal employment.”
We are getting there but we don’t have a complete answer. What I want to determine is the percent of U. S. employment working for all government compared with those in the civilian labor force. So, in addition to the Federal labor force, there are state and local governments.
“Local governments employ more than twice as many workers as State governments.
Professional and service occupations accounted for more than half of all jobs; fire fighters and law enforcement workers, concentrated in local government, are among the largest occupations.
Although job prospects vary by State and region, overall prospects are expected to be favorable.
Employer-provided benefits are more common among State and local government employees than among workers in the private sector.”
Here we are:
“State and local government, total: 8,274,600 = 100%
Local government total: 5,819,100 = 70.3%
State government total: 2,455,500 = 29.7%”
Therefore 10,274,600 people are employed by federal, state, and local governments.
The total U. S. employment is 104,893,880.
36,712,858 (civilian contractors) + 10,274,600 (government employees) = 46,987,458 or approximately 45% government employment versus 55% private enterprise
On this basis, it might be fair to say that the U. S. is surely not a purely private enterprise economy and if anything, it has a large government component akin to socialism.
“Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.[1][2][3] A socialist society is characterized by a free association, which is not based on coercive wage labour. It is organized on the basis of relatively equal power relations, self-management, collective decision-making and adhocracy rather than hierarchical, bureaucratic forms of organization in the economic and political systems.
As an economic system, socialism is a system of production and allocation based on the direct production of use-values by allocating economic inputs, the means of production and investment through planning to directly satisfy economic demand. Economic calculation is based on either calculation-in-kind, some physical magnitude or a direct measure of labour time.[4][5] Output for individual consumption is distributed through markets, and distribution of income is based on individual merit or individual contribution.[6]”
“The socialist president plays host to capitalism
By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, December 15, 2010; 5:51 PM
The titans of American industry were all assembled at the White House complex Wednesday. There was Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google. There was Kenneth Chenault, the chairman of American Express. And there was Barack Obama, the sometimes owner of General Motors, Chrysler, Citibank, Bank of America, AIG, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The president's advance team handled it like a state visit. The Secret Service shut down Lafayette Square as the CEOs huddled inside Blair House -- where foreign dignitaries often stay. The U.S. Park Police were mounted, the presidential limousines were idling, and men with scary-looking weapons stood in the shrubbery. The only thing missing was the display of the visitors' flag -- in this case, the dollar sign -- from the lampposts.
It looked like a state visit because it was a state visit, in the sense that President Obama was hosting leaders who are, to his administration, very foreign. The land's leading capitalists were sitting down with a leader caricatured by many Republicans as a socialist, or even, in Newt Gingrich's view, a Kenyan anti-colonialist.
"Chilly out here, guys!" the president said with a friendly wave as he crossed the street from the White House to Blair House.
Chilly outside? Wait until you're in a room with all those CEOs.
"Mr. President!" bellowed CNBC's John Harwood from the press risers on the north lawn. "Can you repair your relationship with business?"
"It's chilly out here," Obama repeated.
Harwood, live on the air, did not know quite what to do with this answer. Off camera, a producer's voice prompted him: "Go, John. Keep talking."
"You see that the president is not in a mood to answer questions today," Harwood continued gamely. "He said, 'It's a little chilly out here,' when I tried to get him to say something."
The president was not about to answer questions because he didn't want to do anything to upset the choreography of the day. It was a chance for Obama to show, in contrast to the perception that many voters had last month, that he is a big fan of the free market and private industry. And it was a chance to have a mostly friendly crowd of CEOs (there wasn't an oil man or a health-insurance boss among them) validate Obama's pro-business bona fides.
Obama has a long climb to overcome the reputation that he is hostile to business; the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, inflamed by health-care reform and Obama's climate-change policy, is on record accusing him of a "general attack on our free enterprise system." But on Wednesday, he began to implement his pro-business business plan.
Before walking to meet the 20 corporate chiefs, Obama delivered a speech that, in the space of just four minutes, included seven mentions of jobs, six of growth or growing, and two of hiring. "Spurring economic growth is what I'll talk about later this morning when I meet with some of America's top business leaders," the president said. (READ: I am a capitalist!) "That includes Jim McNerney of Boeing, who also heads up my Export Council, and several members of my Economic Recovery Advisory Board." (READ: Some of my best friends are capitalists!)”
“Employment Situation Summary Transmission of material in this release is embargoed USDL-10-1662
until 8:30 a.m. (EST) Friday, December 3, 2010
Technical information:
Household data: (202) 691-6378 * cpsinfo@bls.gov * www.bls.gov/cps
Establishment data: (202) 691-6555 * cesinfo@bls.gov * www.bls.gov/ces
Media contact: (202) 691-5902 * PressOffice@bls.gov
THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- NOVEMBER 2010
The unemployment rate edged up to 9.8 percent in November, and nonfarm payroll
employment was little changed (+39,000), the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
reported today. Temporary help services and health care continued to add jobs
over the month, while employment fell in retail trade. Employment in most major
industries changed little in November.
Household Survey Data
The number of unemployed persons was 15.1 million in November. The unemployment
rate edged up to 9.8 percent; it was 9.6 percent in each of the prior 3 months.
(See table A-1.)
Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men (10.0 per-
cent), adult women (8.4 percent), whites (8.9 percent), and Hispanics (13.2 per-
cent) edged up in November. The jobless rate for blacks (16.0 percent) showed
little change over the month, while the rate for teenagers declined to 24.6 per-
cent. The jobless rate for Asians was 7.6 percent, not seasonally adjusted. (See
tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)
Among the unemployed, the number of job losers and persons who completed tempor-
ary jobs rose by 390,000 to 9.5 million in November. The number of long-term un-
employed (those jobless for 27 weeks and over) was little changed at 6.3 million
and accounted for 41.9 percent of the unemployed. (See tables A-11 and A-12.)
The civilian labor force participation rate held at 64.5 percent in November, and
the employment-population ratio was essentially unchanged at 58.2 percent. (See
table A-1.)
The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred
to as involuntary part-time workers) was little changed over the month at 9.0 mil-
lion. These individuals were working part time because their hours had been cut
back or because they were unable to find a full-time job. (See table A-8.)
About 2.5 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force in November,
up from 2.3 million a year earlier. (The data are not seasonally adjusted.) These
individuals were not in the labor force, wanted and were available for work, and
had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as un-
employed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the sur-
vey. (See table A-16.)
Among the marginally attached, there were 1.3 million discouraged workers in
November, an increase of 421,000 from a year earlier. (The data are not season-
ally adjusted.) Discouraged workers are persons not currently looking for work
because they believe no jobs are available for them. The remaining 1.2 million
persons marginally attached to the labor force had not searched for work in the
4 weeks preceding the survey for reasons such as school attendance or family
responsibilities. (See table A-16.)
Establishment Survey Data
Total nonfarm payroll employment changed little in November (+39,000). Job gains
continued in temporary help services and in health care, while employment fell in
retail trade. Since December 2009, total payroll employment has increased by an
average of 86,000 per month. (See table B-1.)
Within professional and business services, employment in temporary help services
continued to increase in November (+40,000) and has risen by 494,000 since Septem-
ber 2009.
Health care continued to add jobs over the month, with a gain of 19,000. Much of
the increase occurred in hospitals (+8,000).
Employment in mining continued to trend up over the month. Support activities for
mining added 6,000 jobs in November and has added 74,000 jobs since October 2009.
Retail trade employment fell by 28,000 in November. Job losses occurred in depart-
ment stores (-9,000) and in furniture and home furnishings stores (-5,000).
Employment in manufacturing was little changed over the month (-13,000). Following
job growth earlier in 2010, employment has been relatively flat, on net, since May.
Employment in most other major industries changed little in November.
The average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls held at 34.3
hours in November. The manufacturing workweek for all employees also was unchanged,
at 40.3 hours, and factory overtime remained at 3.1 hours. The average workweek for
production and nonsupervisory employees on private nonfarm payrolls decreased by
0.1 hour to 33.5 hours. (See tables B-2 and B-7.)
In November, average hourly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls
increased by 1 cent to $22.75. Over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings
have increased by 1.6 percent. In November, average hourly earnings of private-sec-
tor production and nonsupervisory employees were unchanged at $19.19. (See tables
B-3 and B-8.)
The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for September was revised from -41,000
to -24,000, and the change for October was revised from +151,000 to +172,000.
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The Employment Situation for December is scheduled to be released on Friday,
January 7, 2011, at 8:30 a.m. (EST).”



Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (25)
at 13:39 on December 16th, 2010
Somebody check my math.
at 14:47 on December 16th, 2010
I had no idea that 45 percent on the workforce worked for the government. No wonder the democrats get elected, all of the unions including government unions vote for the democrats. The parasites are killing the host as the continue to grow
at 17:08 on December 16th, 2010
Most people don't know that. I actually think it is a higher percent, but getting straight scoop from the Bureau of Labor Statistics is a tangle.
at 15:46 on December 16th, 2010
Yes Obama is a Socialist
at 15:48 on December 16th, 2010
Also how long does it typically take to get approved on this site to publish? I think it was Monday when I applied, but still can't publish.
at 17:11 on December 16th, 2010
It should not take more than a day. Email Jordan Yerman and ask him about your status. In the meantime, I will do the same on your behalf. We need you on board.
YJ
at 18:22 on December 16th, 2010
Thank you
at 17:14 on December 16th, 2010
I sent a note to Jordan Yerman. If you are having technical problems, let me know and I will assist the best I can.
at 16:17 on December 16th, 2010
There continues to be a major disconnect when Obama is involved. How has employment by government changed during Obama's term? If discussing whether he is a socialist would not it be required to show how the President has changed the government since he has been in office? The numbers give no indication of what can be attributed to Obama. The numbers indicate the present portion of workers in government, but are those workers in charge of employment conditions? I say that no, the workers are not in charge. How many government jobs are union jobs? The article provides no direct proof of whether this President is any different than others in pushing socialism. I would say he is a capitalist, as he has given business the advantage in every situation including the bailouts. While the government does hold stock in some of the bailed out companies, is Obama making the business decisions of those companies? The answer is no. Has Obama made deals with business with emphasis on workers? No. He has favored management at every turn. Name one industry that is controlled and operated by the federal government. If he was socialist he would push for federal health insurance, he would nationalize and control the auto industry, he would operate and control the energy industry. Compare the US with European socialized industries or Venezuela, where actual socialism is in effect. To make a claim of socialism when there is none is disingenuous at best. The listing of numbers does not tell the difference between socialism and capitalism.
at 16:54 on December 16th, 2010
Several good points aligatorhardt. Personally, I believe because of the current unemployment situation in the U.S., we may be seeing somewhat inflated government employment numbers as the government tries to help reign in unemployed stats.
That said, I believe the government should spend half what it does eventually. Taxes and government size doesn't reflect the needs of our country. Obama is really not a factor as this has been going on for decades. Obama is capitalist. He knows the 'private business sector' drives our economy_not government. There is a balance, but because of this current unemployment situation, is out of balance until the private sector can pick up the slack.
Eventually this bloated government structure needs the be specifically addressed. 3 plus trillion dollar a year budget is ridiculous. There lucky I'm not running this country..lol !
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at 17:19 on December 16th, 2010
Correct. Please read my book as I try to tell them how to do it.
Smart Data, Enterprise Performance Optimization Strategy (c)2010 Wiley
at 17:17 on December 16th, 2010
I think you analysis is thoughtful and spot on.
at 22:42 on December 16th, 2010
Socialist or Unionist? Definitely a big Unionist. Andy Stern, once head of the powerful Service Employees International Union was named to the White House debt commission. Not that Andy Stern doesn't know a lot about debt. The Service Employees International, is using its 2.2 million members' hard-earned dues to finance an intense, expensive lobbying campaign in support of the pending health-insurance bill - in order to prop up its failing pension plans. The Labor Department's Web site lists pension plans that are in financial difficulty. As far back as 2008 several SEIU pension plans are in critical status, meaning they have less than 65% of assets needed to fund financial obligations to future and current retirees, or in endangered status, with less than 80% of needed assets according to law. Might be why Stern has made 22 odd visits to the White House making him the most frequent visitor for 2009-2010.
at 04:14 on December 17th, 2010
Workers of the world unite. It didn't work against the Bush-era tax break for the rich.
at 05:22 on December 17th, 2010
Tax breaks for the rich? I thought GW gave everyone a tax break.!! Obama only wants to keep the tax break for his voters who sit in the under $200,000 bracket while giving his voters over that a earmark laden appropriations bill and his union buddies an expanded government service with full benefits and a retirement package. Your getting played. The rich under Obama's watch haven't lost dime one, but not renewing their tax break makes good propaganda for the unthinking masses that buy into the "administrations making the rich pay pogrom". The unthinking masses go home believing those damn Republican los ricos are getting the shaft from Obama. LOL.
at 06:14 on December 17th, 2010
You keep railing against Unions but I have to tell you, earmark dollars rarely go to organized labor and Unions are just plain insignificant at this point.
at 07:05 on December 17th, 2010
You ought to honestly investigate that statement. Then we will talk.
at 09:22 on December 17th, 2010
Fair enough...I will get to it...
at 17:26 on December 17th, 2010
And I'm not railing against unions. I'm pointing out their political agenda; the expansion of the government and growing public sector job. Tax dollars. Enjoy your tax break now because the bill is going to come due...to be paid in full.
at 10:51 on December 17th, 2010
The United Auto Workers have made concessions repeatedly, driving wages down near one half of previous levels. What sacrifice has been required of management? The only condition Obama required of GM was the removal of one person. Doesn't sound like a sell out to unions to me. The management continues to give themselves huge bonuses even while their business is going broke. I would consider that embezzlement. Tax breaks for upper income cost 700 billion dollars added to the debt during Bush's rein. Somewhat different than giving $400 to most of us.
at 10:59 on December 17th, 2010
You've got it.
When people complain about Unions, representation for working people, I wonder who they are? They are not among the top 5% of the people ranked by income.
at 17:46 on December 17th, 2010
That's the limit of your investigation? Misrepresent my posting as complaining about representation for working people and then sluff off a minuscule cut and paste job? That hurts man. Worse, you didn't even offer me a reach around.
at 05:31 on December 18th, 2010
I am sorry, I am packing for a trip and not doing well today.
at 06:59 on December 17th, 2010
According to Treasury Department estimates, it would cost the government about $3 trillion in lost revenues over 10 years if tax cuts are continued only for low-income and middle-income people. Including the upper tiers would add an additional $700 billion in costs, the administration estimates. Now if we factor in the 800 billion bail out and the 419 billion appropriation bill. Which according to my poor math skills equals a grand total of $1,019 billion for 2009-2010. Looks to me like evil big business is 519 billion ahead and they didn't have to wait ten years. Of course I won't mention all the new money that will be made available to the wealthy 5% over the next ten years. Or the accumulated debt our children will have to pay for an imaginary tax victory. Cling to the progressive dream while the nation races to the bottom. I gotta go now. My neighbors have organized a block garage sale. We're going to buy each others junk so we feel like we're getting ahead.
at 11:00 on December 17th, 2010
Merry Christmas. See post above.