Don’t bank on the US, Israel

by YankeeJim | September 16, 2011 at 05:00 am
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Hillary Clinton has been silent

You can count on friendship, up to a point. Now the case for Palestine is back at the UN. No matter what you think about the UN (headquartered in New York City), it is a global forum. The people living in Gaza need to be reconciled with a degree of certainty. If Israel cannot accomplish this through negotiations, then it is going to get help whether or not it likes it. The US is better off engaged as a participant, though not the sole heavy in the room.

Let’s see if the UN can serve as a catalyst for change and improvement while Mr. Changemaker keeps focused on fixing things in the USA.

Obama can’t win reelection with Israel continuing to be out of sorts with him.

“U.N. showdown over Palestinian statehood tests limits of U.S. influence

By Joby Warrick and Scott Wilson, Published: September 15

One week before a United Nations showdown over Palestinian statehood, the Obama administration is confronting the stark new limits of its influence in the Middle East, including with its chief ally in the region, Israel.

U.S. officials have warned Israel’s hawkish Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as well as Palestinian leaders, that the diplomatic clash over the creation of a Palestinian state set for the United Nations next week could further destabilize a region already in political tumult.

But those have been ignored, not only by a Palestinian leadership that feels betrayed by the Obama administration, but also by an Israeli government that receives billions of dollars a year in U.S. military and other aid.

The Obama administration is working to head off what would be a milestone moment for the Palestinian national movement when diplomats put forward a resolution at the United Nations next week to recognize a Palestinian state.

President Obama had hoped to convince the two sides to resume peace negotiations as an alternative to the initiative at the U.N. Israel has said “grave consequences” would follow the Palestinian bid, and U.S. and European diplomats were working late Thursday in efforts to reach a deal that could avert a U.N. vote.

Obama has promised Israel he will veto the resolution if it comes before the Security Council. The move would place the United States at odds with the spirit of the national uprisings that have unsettled the Middle East this year.

The reasons for the Israeli rebuff reflect the domestic political considerations of Netanyahu and Obama, as well as America’s fading clout in the Middle East.”

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"thirty-aught-six"

Not to mention the billions of dollars the Palestinians receive. And the millions the Palestinians receive in support of terrorism.  Recognizing a Palestinian State is a long awaited solution for the constant cross border violence of the Palestinian terrorist organs and any further infringement of Israel into Palestinian territory. Statehood will put the World Courts into the mix to find a legal resolution to boundary issues for both Israel and Palestine. It will also place Palestine in a role of responsibility for their terrorist role if it continues after Statehood.

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Piobar

It is about time that the USA be allowed to step back from this issue, which no one nation can solve, and put it to the international community to support a peace process. As thirty-aught-six points out, statehood would, at least in theory, impose a certain level of accountability upon both Israel and the Palestinians.

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tikun

The simple answer is that as long as Jewish lives are at stake the UN can do and say whatever it wants it is a non-starter for Israel. Sitting down and making it happen is the only way. The PA and Abbas are not interested in a compromise and certainly Hamas-Iran-Syria axis is not about to compromise. Since their entire reason for being is to wipe the Jewish State off the face of the earth.


The endless years of false starts and agreements only to be rejected by the PA is a crime against their own people. 

There is in fact so much accountability from Israel's side that it has been a UN and Durban anti-Semitic rant ,that has a built in  group of third-world and Arab aligned nation majority, that is  not interested in Peace but the piece that is the Jewish State. 

It appears that the West, US and EU is just unwilling to come to terms with the radical Islamic factions globally and their intent at world domination. Just like the old days. This includes the New Turkey and its genocide against the Kurds in Turkey and Iraq. Its imprisoning journalists and military leadership in order to avoid an end of their policies of domination and renewal of the Ottoman empire. This is going on as the Turkish economy is in the pits from all of the give aways  in order to retain power while the deficit is at the dangerous level of 10% of the GDP. Greece is at 9.9%

Israel in spite of the settlements that are actually legal under international law is more then willing to compromise for peace. But unwilling to do it unless the PA is willing to give up its desire to have it all.



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"thirty-aught-six"

Officials of Hamas, the militant Palestinian faction that controls Gaza, said Mr. Abbas’s declaration was a useless stunt aimed at continuing what it called fruitless negotiations with Israel, which Hamas does not recognize as a legitimate state.

“The speech is an attempt to justify the negotiations,” said Mahmoud Zahar, a Hamas leader, reached by telephone. He argued that turning to the United Nations would get Mr. Abbas nothing.

Hamas has banned public demonstrations in Gaza to support Mr. Abbas’s move. Fawzi Barhoum, a Hamas spokesman, told reporters that Mr. Abbas had approached the United Nations unilaterally, without winning support from the group, despite what Mr. Barhoum called the Palestinian president’s rhetoric about reconciliation.

Admission to the United Nations as a full member state requires a recommendation from the 15-member Security Council, with a majority of nine votes, and no veto from the five permanent members, which include the United States. Then the submission goes to the General Assembly, which must pass it by a two-thirds vote among the 193 members.

The American vow to veto has already made it clear that the membership application will not make it out of the Council. But as in other matters involving the United Nations bureaucracy, procedural and legal tools can delay the application for weeks or months along the way. And the Palestinians could still subsequently seek less formal recognition of statehood through the General Assembly.

This less formal recognition via the general Assembly is the desire of the US and the plan Obama has brought to the international community.

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The 1

Wish I knew more about exactly what is going on over there..Obviously the principle parties involved are not accomplishing what needs to happen to resolve the overriding issues..

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tikun

The 1,

The overriding issue is whether the PA and Hamas are willing to accept a Jewish State in the region. As long as they believe over time they can have it all then there is no incentive to make peace but to try to get the international community to legitimize their place and then proceed to wear down the Jewish State. 


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