Doom and gloom economy versus it’s really a boom economy!

by Babel-Fish | October 16, 2009 at 08:05 pm
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Look I am not an economist but just someone that observes the market place and knows a bit about charts and things.. Many years ago when I wore my accountant’s hat I wrote a software program to keep control of a large portfolio and try to predict bank interest rates.  Within a three year period I had only been half of a percent out. It was calculated on history of gold prices, interest rates and periods of recessions etc., spanning back over 20 years.

I now do not have to look at business news or any of the media reports to know that there has been hype doom and gloom concerning the world economy all I need to do is check the exchange rates of the British pound against the Filipino Peso which I do regularly each day.  When the hype is at a high level the rate goes down and when the hype recedes the rate goes up.

Looking at the stock markets which always peak and trough since the recession there has been a slow but sure slope upwards. That normally suggests that there is a slow recovery, these peaks and troughs also relate to media hype on doom and gloom or of course boom.

Some times a opposing party politician has a dig at the present administration not just in USA but in Europe as well about the economy the more strength in the attack the more effects currencies and of course the stock exchanges. 

When an unfavorable early quarter or month report is hyped by the media it also effect’s currencies and stocks and shares. Once again till the hype recedes within this present recession the stock market’s peaks still peak slightly higher and currencies recover once again.

Am I the only one that notices the trend, well in fact I know I am not as I have seen others report that the recession is on a slow recovery. Am I the only one that can predict that if the recovery keeps recovering at the rate it is the recession looks like it will end mid next year.  But of course once it does recover economies will not improve a great deal just level out. In my opinion they will remain that way until the next recession four or five years at max. That’s because I really do not think the fix will be followed by a sensible need for the richer economies in the west bringing the manufactory base home.

But countries can not live on mainly making money out of services they need to have a manufacturing base not just to keep the money at home but to cut the employment queues so consumer spending constantly improves.

One main thing is for sure there is a need to attract investment by making investors confident in the market place and to attract the consumers to spend in the confidence they will stay employed.

As I say I am not an economist, I certainly have no idea if my opinion shows the path to a solution to improve economies but to me it looks to be logically sound opinion. I seem to have been very lucky in the past at predicting the recovery of the pound against the dollar back in February last year when it was down to an all time low. I stated that it would recover to 1.61 by last May.  It’s 1.635 today.  So I am going to try to predict the pounds peak at March 2010 of which I think will be 1.70 to the US$.

Summary.

There are those of whom think I try to make things look much rosier than they are, but no I just see the sparks that tell me that things are not as bad as politically minded people may wish to show. The recession is over it was other some months ago the markets are still reassessed but certainly improving.  Some of the Bail out plans have turn out as damp squids however something had to be done to inspire confidence in the market place. Many of the things done had some corrupt reasons attached that is always the way concerning elitism and elitist politics. The real stimulation has been the gained confidence in the market place by investors. People want to make money and some have got to!  

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Babel-Fish

Well there is my penny worth 

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Rory Cripps

Babel: My money is with you! What is your commission  charge? LOL! Thanks for the story!

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Babel-Fish

Nothing now day's however the old job went with a company motor bike, I hate cars, lol

Your welcome some ones got to spread at least some happiness, I have lost a lot of money due to the damn hype spread just in currency conversion. I had to cut out the caviar and champagne.  

 


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Hugh Askew

No caviar? No champagne?  Things are deteriorating rapidly, are they not?

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PIM of SPAIN

Lets help you a little BF yr opinion will not "show the path to a solution to improve economies" as you wrote above. As long there are about 10% unemployed people that even may become structural for a very long period of time to come - because the lost jobs have been lost forever -  no recovery will be insight what ever kind of Cristal Ball you may consult. Logics and the math applied: there won't be any recovery at all, this financial crisis is not a recession that can recover, but a depression that got to be restructured, through creative destruction that already has started.

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Hugh Askew

Babel-fish, loved the "damp squids" line.  Very good, indeed.

Since you follow these things, can you check your spreadsheets, and tell us when we last had a recession lasting over two years?



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Babel-Fish

Yes of course but you must realize that I am British.

United kingdom
1973-75
1980-82
1990-92 

US recession something that were not an issue of my spreadsheet analysis have been recorded to be much shorter.

 July 1981-November 1982: 14 months
 July 1990-March 1991: 8 months
 March 2001-November 2001: 8 months

Interestingly enough it was Gordon Brown as chancellor of the Exchequer that kept the 2001 US recession from effecting UK.

Yes you where right to question me however there is the nationality problem that effectively shows that my country has had a few 2 year recessions the 1981 one was within my calculation and it actual aided my predictions when dealing with the 1990 one. 
    
 



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Hugh Askew

In light of the fact that US recessions (and your data matched my memory) are generally relatively short in nature, i think i'm going to have to go with PIM on this one.  I would label this as a "depression" versus a "recession".  Maybe splitting hairs, maybe not.  

I see worse coming - but hope i'm wrong.  

What happens, for example, if the dollar continues it's downward slide, fuel costs continue to rise (due to the falling dollar), more and more people are pushed to the brink, more mortgages default, and purchases of consumer goods fall further?     Remember that it was the cost of oil that provided the tipping point in 2008.

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Babel-Fish
What happens, for example, if the dollar continues it's downward slide, fuel costs continue to rise (due to the falling dollar), more and more people are pushed to the brink, more mortgages default, and purchases of consumer goods fall further?     Remember that it was the cost of oil that provided the tipping point in 2008.

Then if the GPD reached the 10% point we could really quote we are in a depression. What happens when people hype doom and gloom, it effects the market place and things do get much worst than they should be. The dollar peaks and troughs it always has it also follows a historic trend, yes people in USA do have to tighten their belts but in this present recession I think we have seen the worst. The stock markets are still rising slowly.

I wonder why people wish to quote depression instead of recession when scaring everybody with pointers within a trough, within, a recovering recession?  I really like to see things how they really are its tight belt time but the belt can be gradually slackened off as the next peak is going to be higher.

 

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Bill_Starbuck

I think you meant "versus".

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Hugh Askew

Corrected. Thank you. Happens when you forget to go to school. I frequently forgot.

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Babel-Fish

Actually it was my fault and you may of copied it as I used verses in the headlines. I never forgot to go to school but always had a problem with words and awful grammar there is a word for that Lazy or Dyslexia not really sure which. However that's one reason I write a lot, never want the damn problem to get the better of me.

Verses of course is accepted by the spell checker. Sorry for my error and I have amended the title.


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PIM of SPAIN

As I wrote several times before, prepare for the worst to come and hope for the best. Wasn't Hugh who mentioned that at the security check-in they had token his pocket knife? See that we all get one and keep it, with a lot more to prepare for but is left for the moment to a later story.

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Babel-Fish

I await in anticipation as I await the dreadful announcement that GPD is below 10% and those true words at that point "Its D.e.p.r.e.s.s.i.o.n". Seeing the factors of reality that we are in a slow recovery stage at this moment and time I can predict that mid year next year we hear "The recession is over".

   

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PIM of SPAIN

BF, Read today's news: Britain in for a painful and drawn-out recovery. The world economy is not out of the woods yet. Would be pleased if it was otherwise. But logics and facts don't add up for an improvement pretty soon. Sorry BF.

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Babel-Fish

Yep, but tomorrow rebounds and the pound is getting stronger, very pleased with my money transfer to day.  We will see whose right this coming March and later in July 2010.

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PIM of SPAIN

Indeed jazzyzazzy the facts and unemployment figures don't mathematically add up. As long a 10% unemployment exist, there won't be a real recovery Fake and hype is what is presented in the mainstream media.

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