Dr. Schroeder The Amazing Universe We Live In - The Final Chapter

Sputnic,

 My view on Jesus? What do you have in mind?

Christianity apparently has deep roots in Judaism. I am not sure about its relationship to Islam.

Good and worthwhile post, thank you. Reconciliation is possible on all levels, including intellectual. There is no us and them, just us. Even when we differ profoundly on fundamentals - like the identity of Jesus (a Galillean Aramaic-speaking Jewish Rabbi who is honoured as a prophet by Islam) - there is no reason for civilized people to kill each other. It is still just us.

I enjoy reading about the places where faiths intersect and converge, as well as the 'modern' scientific way of seeing with the ancient writings of the Bible. Any imbecile can find points of departure, given our self-serving natures and the tendency things have to fly apart - but seeking common ground and convergence takes work. In fact, upon the deepest reflection, I am discovering slowly that seeking harmony is the most fruitful pursuit, and to begin to recognize it as the work of God is the beginning of wisdom (although an eejit like myself must move forward slowly, very slowly, realizing that I will get only shards and glimpses of the sweet whole until death.)

Cheers again for the post.

Peace is the best option. To say that christianity has its roots in judaism is not exactly accurate. Both religions have the same author, God but they diverged prior to the coming and denial of the prophets. I am very wary of propaganda in all of its guises, having been a misguided zionist in the past and to have since discovered that the state of Israel actually exists outside and in a way against the jewish religion; propoganda is a powerful tool. Israel is an immoral state built on theft and oppression and the sooner it is no longer here the better, a FAIR two state solution could happen if not for greed

Thanks Yellow Guitar,

Appreciate your comments. Well said.

Sputnic,

You had me until your rant on "Israel and its evil intents". What we need here is less of that kind of provocation and more insight into the oneness and unity of it all. The perfectness of a Jewish State along side the rest of the Arab communities inside and outside of the countries boundaries. We are all part of the boundry crossing. Seeing conspiracy where it negates a people, religion, and or legitimacy of right to exist only undermines global peace.

Palestine is a country or rather was, give it back you thief. Your nation is built on theft, call it provocation. I call it the truth. Going back to the similaritys in certain religions, theft is wrong in all. Tell me where theft is advocated ? What does the amazing Dr Schroeder have to say regarding thou shalt not steal ?

Sputnic,

Listen you have crossed the line. The code of conduct on Now Public does not allow for this kind of personal attack. I advise you to read it and stop your foolish behavior. bye you are no longer part of the civil debate.

Tikun I have listened to the first one. Good points about space and the mustard seed and what science is today.

Thanks Roy

So you think you can steal my freedom of speech too ? Damn

And in reply to Yellow, yes there was a state called Palestine ! I dont hate Jewish people , quite a serious false allegation ! Are you satan ? Lol

And thank you Tikun for your criticism of Yellow for the slanderous accusation that I am anti Jewish, commendable

They were closer than Israel to having their own nation state prior to 48. That is a bit of a thin line to be walking Yellow. If Tikun is so happy to be talking up Israel all the time then he is responsible. If an Israeli criticises the state of Israel for its theft then they are not guilty

USA plc funded the setting up of Israel. Seizing the opportunity to make some money. I am anti zionist as are many Jewish people, but a two state solution for the sake of peace is a pretty good idea. If people refuse to condemn Israel for their recent behaviour then they must be immoral and an insult to God.

Great! Now someone else thinks I am 'immoral and an insult to God' - just what I need, another wife!  `~)

So the USA funded the setting up of Israel in 1948. And if they had not, you would have condemned them for that too yes? Of course - they would've been heartless uncaring rich isolationist b4stards.

Hey Sputnik, the USA rebuilt the entire world after the catastrophe of WW2 - ask the Germans and the Japanese. Were the American's motives for rebuilding the world economy pure as virgin snow? Please. Are the Israelis blameless in the on-going war with their fundamentalist neighbours? Hardly. But they have been consistent in their demands for a reasonable party to negotiate with. They have kept their promises on returning land in exchange for security. They have problematic currents in their own soceity - for instance the assassination of Mr. Rabin - and are far from perfect. But I would rather negotiate with a hard-nosed Israeli interested in peace than with Islamic fundementalists bent on destroying my decadent culture, which they proclaim is 'immoral and an insult to God.' And this they love to shout from the rooftops, or into cyberspace, at every opportunity. And if these fanatics do manage to bring Israel down, then who is next?

Just Israel ! No USA should not have funded Israel. Sorry to hear about the problems you are having with your wife, but I am not into that. If you have to leave Israel try Brighton, some even make an effort to look like women.

Israel is against the Jewish religion, many Jewish people believe this too. Plenty of Jewish people emigrated to Israel needlessly from homes in Europe and America. Saying anti zionism is racist is bearing false witness, a sin in most religions. It is like trying to convince somebody a dead parrot is alive!

So you think the USA is God ! And no a lot of Jewish people admit the state of Israel is against the Jewish religion not simply a small minority

Sputnik,

No my friend, I don't,  but the USA often acts as if it has God on its side. as I'm sure you are aware, and they have done so since their inception through Manifest Destiny and other odious policies. In this way, the USA has behaved more or less the same way as the Islamic enemies of Israel; that is, they cloak their designs with a pseudo-spiritual veil.

Only Israel acts categorically on the basis of national survival. Defence is a national obsession. It must be, or they perish; there is no time for the luxury of rationalizing their behaviour in spiritual terms, even though they could make as powerful a religious claim as any people on earth. Thus, of all nations on earth, Israel's behaviour is the most consistent and transparent - they are bent on survival, and will always act accordingly, for better or worse. This is way beyond Zionism and other inadequate concepts which have become handy tools to locate Israel in a concretized and inadequate mental landscape, then judge and condemn.

Regarding your claim about 'a lot' of Jewish people who feel religiously offended by the state of Israel: there are just over 13 million Jews in the world. About 40% live in Israel, while 40% live in America. Canada has more Jews than the UK. I wonder which Jewish people you are talking to who are offended by Israel's existence? I know some Jews who are openly critical of some Israeli policy - some observant and some not -  but I have met none who claim the existence of Israel is offensive to them in a religious sense. The only Jews who could make such a claim on the basis of religious belief would be the ultra-Orthodox communities, which are a small minority everywhere. So which Jews are you talking about? (Please note that I am not talking about Israeli policy - which may be offensive to anyone of any religious stripe regardless of degree of observance -  rather the defacto existence of Israel as a nation-state.)

Palestine had many such orthodox Jewish people prior to 1948, they, in fact, made up the majority of the jewish populatlon of Palestine at that time. I know some ultra orthodox people whose children do not look it ! They wear western clothes, have short hair and would not necessarily be thought of as jewish based on appearance. Stamford hill in London has the largest concentration of orthodox jewish people anywhere outside the middle east. How can a jewish state also be called secular ? How can the religious devout of a faith not be consulted about the rebirth of a nation prophesised in their scriptures, scriptures that other "Jewish" people chose to ignore because they are inconvenient for them. How many muslims in the knesset ? How many muslims in positions of power in the jewish "secular" state ? Contrast that to the number of Jewish people in positions of power in the christian secular state of the USA or of the united kingdom, for that matter.