Drones costly and unproductive in Pakistan

by YankeeJim | February 20, 2011 at 07:09 pm
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Boots on the ground is how to eliminate terrorists in a frontal assault. The most effective way to eliminate terrorism is to address the root causes: 1) poverty, 2) lack of education, 3) unrepresentative and ineffective government. What is the capacity to accomplish this? In how many places?

“Breaking News Alert: CIA drone attacks in Pakistan killing few high-ranking terrorists 
February 20, 2011 7:53:18 PM

Drone attacks in Pakistan killed at least 581 militants last year, according to independent estimates. The number of those militants noteworthy enough to appear on a U.S. list of most-wanted terrorists: two.

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I was hoping they would be more effective as they are in some places.

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t k kidwai

First of all terrorism must comprehensively be defined.It is a loose and vague term.To US empire all those who challenge its agenda of global hegemony are terrorists,to people of land occupied by the US empire,US is the biggest terrorist.Fact of the matter is that state is always biggest terrorist.But state terrorism is legitimized in the garb of national security.Wasn't Mubarak a terrorist?Isn't Saudi regime terrorist?

Every terrorist is creation of an intelligence agency,behind every terror attack is invisible hand of an intelligence agency.In 1999,the apartment building explosions in various cities across Russia were orchestrated by Russian Security Services to start Second Chechen War.(Blowing Up Russia by Alexander Litvinenko with Yuri Felshtinsky}.Chechen rebels were blamed for these explosions.Don't we find similarities between Apartment explosions in Russia and controlled demolition of WTC,which was blamed on Alqaeda to wage war on Afghanistan?

US empire wants destabilized region to stay there for ever.Could there be a better alibi than fighting terrorism.Acts of terrorism conducted by CIA ,ISI and Saudi Intelligence and blaming various groups designated as terrorists.Terrorism has to stay for justification of war on terror.

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YankeeJim

"agenda of global hegemony"
A peaceful world based on democratic principles is a desired outcome, no doubt. There is a wide spectrum in that band of desire to accommodate diverse cultures. Governments must be driven by people who have their own legacy,
America is not intent on doing any more than supporting people who share that desire. We are compromised to accept dictators and royal kingdoms by our desire for precious resources. That contradiction undermines our credibility.
Terrorists and enemies of the USA are those who desire and attempt to disrupt or damage the USA. At present, many come from radicalized Islamics.
As for accommodating diverse economic systems and even communism, I think you see Americans becoming more respectful of the scope and scale of problems that other governments encounter due to vast population size and territory, China for instance.
Still, to the extent possible, America advocates democracy and freedom.

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t k kidwai

YJ,while respecting your valuable opinions,I beg to differ.Since the end of second WW,CIA has overthrown number of elected governments,there is a long list.How come elected governments are replaced with brutal dictatorships?Doesn't it prove that advocacy of democracy and freedom is nothing more than rhetoric?And what is important to US empire is not an elected government or dictatorship but who serves the interests of US empire.

Who promoted radical Islam,funded radical Islamic organizations all over the world to engage in anti-communist propaganda?Supported fundamentalist organizations to thwart progressive movements?I guess,you know well,very well.

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YankeeJim

Two wrongs don't make it right, does it.?

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Piobar

Two wrongs do not make a right, but three lefts do. As you say, the root causes of terrorism are lack of education, poverty, and repressive, un-representative government. You are also right that unmanned drones to not stop terrorism. Boots and bayonets have been the primary way of winning and holding ground for centuries. Longer if you drop the bayonets, but they are so damned effective at putting the fear of God into the opponent that, despite what some bureaucrats have claimed, they are still effective and necessary. The Black Watch, and a few other British regiments proved this a few years back in Iraq. Air support, artillery, all the fancy technological toys out there do not win wars in and of themselves, they support the infantrymen (and women) who actually hold the line.

However, being able to field a force big enough to keep the world safe, stable, and peaceful, is something that no one nation at this time has the ability to do, even if they DID have the authority. Nor, it would seem, do the governments who have the ability to work together to create a combined force have the stomach to follow through on it anymore. Gone are the days of UN or NATO forces riding into town and saving the day. The get holed up in a fortified position, and wait for authorization to come from spineless politicians and bureaucrats whose top concern is their own image.

As I said, two wrongs may not make a right, but three lefts do, it is time to take a different route. Military presence will still have a huge role to play, as you cannot build schools, roads, infrastructure, or industry in a war zone. But invading a nation, toppling the government, and going home, as most of the UN and NATO nations seem to like doing these days lacks the follow-through to remedy the route causes you identified. Securing an area is required if you are going to build a school, or the terrorists will just come and blow it sky high, preferably with children in it, so that the locals are now afraid to seek assistance from the “foreign invaders.” Somewhat reminiscent of the Viet-Cong severing the arms of children vaccinated by US troops during the Vietnam war. To win the people over, they need to feel like they are being helped, not concurred, and they need to feel safe in seeking that help. "Winning the Hearts and Minds" to use the oft quoted cliche.

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YankeeJim

Roger that.

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hussain

The day will surely dawn when the rogue America will have to pay the price for these attacks. On American terrorist has already landed in a Pakistani jail and the rest too will either flee Pakistan or will face the same fate, as the situation has started changing.

ISLAMABAD: The United States has halted drone attacks on militants along Pakistan’s western border in a development analysts believe is linked to US attempts to secure the release of a jailed US consular employee.

After months of frequent strikes from unmanned US aircraft on militant hideouts in tribal areas on Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan, where bloodshed has hit record levels, reports of covert strikes have gone quiet for over three weeks.

Many analysts believe Washington has stopped the attacks to avoid further inflaming anti-American fury in Pakistan just as it pressures a vulnerable Islamabad government to release Raymond Davis, a US consulate employee imprisoned after shooting two Pakistanis last month during what he said was an attempted robbery.

“This in itself raises a number of questions regarding the US Pakistan strategy as it struggles to balance counter terrorism … with its public diplomacy,” said Simbal Khan, an analyst with the Institute of Strategic Studies in Islamabad.

The decision to halt a campaign that is the centerpiece of US efforts to root out militants launching attacks on its soldiers in Afghanistan also raises questions, Khan said, “about how chasing after terrorist and al Qaeda targets can be suspended to save the fate of a single US national.”

As tempers fray over Davis, who the United States insist is shielded by diplomatic immunity, the government of President Asif Ali Zardari is loathe to risk losing billions of dollars in US aid or doing permanent damage to ties with a key Western ally.

Yet neither can Pakistan afford to unleash popular fury in a case that has galvanised anti-American sentiment.

The strikes have already fuelled anger against the government among those who see the attacks as a violation of Pakistani sovereignty and blame them for the death of innocent civilians. Local leaders are often the ones seen at fault.

“It’s possible that Washington thinks it shouldn’t give the Pakistani public yet another reason to whip up anti-American sentiment even as the Davis case is being dealt with,” said Samina Ahmed, South Asia project director for the International Crisis Group.

According to the Long War Journal, a leading military blog, the current pause in drone strikes is one of the longest since the United States intensified its drone campaign in 2008.

The United States and Pakistan do not publicly acknowledge the drone campaign in Pakistan’s tribal areas, remote and mostly off-limits to journalists, but reports of the strikes filter out through local media and anonymous intelligence reports.

SHOOTING IN ‘THE HEART OF PAKISTAN’

The New America Foundation, which tracks the strikes, estimated they have killed some 2,189 people from 2004 through January of this year. Of those, 1,754 were reportedly militants.

The last reported strike was Jan. 23, when intelligence officials said a US drone aircraft fired two missiles targeting a vehicle and a house in the North Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border, killing at least four militants.

Another missile shortly afterward was reported to kill two militants on a motorbike.

While the drone strikes have killed al Qaeda and Taliban figures, some question their success when many senior militants are living in cities like Quetta or Karachi that Pakistan has made off-limits to strikes.

Yet they are now a key part of the US-Pakistan security alliance, forged in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks but long frayed by US complaints that Pakistan has not done enough against militants that don’t directly threaten the government.

Muhammad Amir Rana, director of the Pak Institute for Peace Studies, said the drone strikes were becoming counterproductive because they were breeding more opponents of the state.

The shooting in a city known as the heart of Pakistan appears to have galvanized Pakistanis in a way that the drone attacks, in remote areas invisible to most Pakistanis, have not.

On Friday, protestors in Lahore and other cities demanded Davis be tried in Pakistan, some of them burning tyres and US flags a day after the Lahore High Court pushed off a hearing on Davis’ fate until March 14.

 

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YankeeJim

Americans are not rogue in their behavior. We were attacked by al Qaeda who are hiding in Pakistan. Wherever they hide and for as long as it takes, America will pursue them to their ultimate destruction. If their sphere of supporters increases, our target increases.

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