Dylan's 'W.W.I.' (Walking Without ID): The John Lennon Treatment?

by Scrivener | August 16, 2009 at 02:44 am

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• Is folk-rock icon "Only a Pawn in Their Game" -- a covert war against "dissidents," intellectuals, journalists and the cultural vanguard?

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In America, even at the Jersey shore, a "W.W.I." -- walking without ID -- isn't supposed to get you held by the cops. Even if you are Bob Dylan.

The young female cop who confronted Bob Dylan while he was walking down a Long Branch, N.J. street last month called his story "fishy" -- that he really was Bob Dylan, and he really was playing a concert that very night at a nearby ballpark with the music legends Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp. She said that the 68-year-old singer didn't look like the younger Dylan she remembered seeing in photos.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8331830&page=1

Bob Dylan never faded from the scene. He's still a huge star, recently decorated with various prestigious awards and honors. Doesn't the Long Branch police department have a computer? Couldn't they have retrieved a recent photo of Dylan and sent it to the officer? Or any we to believe that conjuring up a photo or even a description of the singer was beyond the capabilities of Long Branch police?

And this passes for professional police work? Or were the locals, perhaps provided with information gleaned from so-called "intelligence-based policing," pursuing another theory -- a theory that presumed the musical poet's evening stroll would lead them to evidence of wrongdoing?

The young officer -- conveniently made available by her unabashedly unembarrassed department for media interviews -- described Bob Dylan thusly: He wasn't "delusional" but was acting "very suspicious."

Is this what gumshoe psychologists call "neuro-linguistic programming?" Are we supposed to now wonder aloud just what Bob Dylan was doing, walking alone, supposedly mistaken for a homeless man in what many mainstream media outlets described as a "predominantly minority" neighborhood?

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/you-re-bob-dylan-us-police-want-to-see-some-id/26462

Was the real intent to possibly catch Bob Dylan on a personal dope run to the closest ghetto? Was that the stereotypical mentality at work here? Or was there another agenda at play -- a centrally orchestrated smear campaign against the greatest protest singer of all time, unjustly and (to borrow an appropriate adjective) "stupidly" targeted as a "dissident," as was John Lennon, the former Beatle who took up residence, and social activism, in the U.S. back in the '70s.

http://www.theusversusjohnlennon.com

Is it "Show Me Your Papers!" time in America? Does our personal freedom hinge upon the ability to produce "official" identification -- even if, by our actions, there is absolutely no evidence of probable cause for detention by police?

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/show_me_your_papers.php

Is this incident really "local" -- or is there more to it than just a case of a young cop who refused to believe that Bob Dylan might actually look his age and be who he says he is?

Bob Dylan is hounded by fans. He often wears disguises. He's also a unique personality. So it wasn't really out of character for him to be dressed in black sweat pants tucked into black boots, and two raincoats (it was raining heavily). And he also has a habit of visiting the early homes of other music legends such as Neil Young and John Lennon, perhaps to pick up the vibe that inspired them; in America, individuals possess the right to be eccentric. The fact that Bruce Springsteen wrote much of his classic album Born to Run in a nearby Long Branch house could very well explain what he was doing in the neighborhood.

But the fact is, it was no business of the police what Dylan was doing in the neighborhood. He owed police no explanation. He was walking down the street in the rain. Period. He didn't have ID on him. In America, that does not constitute probable cause for detention -- just because a neighbor called to report a "suspicious" looking older man looking at a house with a "For Sale" sign.

Interesting... a supposedly concerned neighbor led to Bob Dylan's Long Branch confrontation with police -- just as happened in the case of Harvard Prof. Henry Louis Gates Jr., arrested for disorderly conduct in his own home after he tried to tell police it was he who was trying to enter after a front door lock jammed.

Ring any bells?

Is Dylan getting the John Lennon treatment -- targeted for his cultural orientation, his politics, perhaps even his ethnic heritage, using a (generated?) report from a suspicious neighbor as a pretext for harassment?

And if so, is a secret war against "dissident" intellectuals and cultural icons a key "psy op" (psychological operation) of "Gestapo USA"? And are journalists -- including the one writing this article -- also unjustly targeted, their lives taken apart by "community stalkers," covert, tortuous electromagnetic radiation weapons attacks, and covert programs of personal financial destruction?

Are democracy and the rule of law being stolen at the grassroots?

Read the article linked below and contemplate a frightening reality.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR:

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

http://nowpublic.com/world/anti-stalking-journo-seeks-lawyer-fight-stalking-charge

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

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nobody321 (not verified)

at 14:35 on August 18th, 2009

Hey Vic, do you have any relation to Mark Livingston? He was a corporate whistleblower and it sounds like he was also a TI.

"Protecting the public good

Whistle-blowers often feel it's their responsibility to speak up for those who can't.

Last fall, Mark Livingston filed a federal lawsuit under Sarbanes-Oxley. In it, he alleges he lost his job as a quality control manager at Wyeth because he complained repeatedly about manufacturing practices for a vaccine that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says is given to about 60% of infants. The soft-spoken and slightly built Livingston, 46, says he saw the drug company take shortcuts in the manufacture of Prevnar, a vaccine for meningitis and pneumonia, endangering babies.

Wyeth spokesman Doug Petkus denies Livingston's allegations. "The safety of this vaccine is not in question," Petkus said.

George Holmes, a former training manager for Livingston, says Livingston faced resistance from the time he arrived at Wyeth to institute a training program required under a Justice Department consent decree. The 2000 decree, which also required Wyeth to pay the government $30 million, addressed deviations in manufacturing practices at two plants and other quality control problems.

Holmes says he witnessed "repercussions" against Livingston after a deadline from the decree was not met because the plant wasn't documenting or emphasizing training enough. He says the human resources director showed up uninvited at training sessions and at a work-related 2002 Christmas party Livingston was hosting at a local restaurant.

Livingston says he warned the H.R. director he would ask the police to escort him from the party if he didn't leave. Six days later, Livingston lost his job. Petkus says Livingston was fired for "unruly and unprofessional behavior toward a co-worker." Livingston's case is in deposition and discovery in federal district court in North Carolina.

Companies often suggest that whistle-blowers have mental health or addiction issues. Whistle-blowers say any problems they have come from the stress associated with taking on a company.

Livingston says he still wakes up in the night, shaking and sweating uncontrollably, which he believes is attributable to post-traumatic stress disorder. He has been diagnosed by a psychiatrist with anxiety and depression. Not long ago, the North Carolinian didn't want to leave his house."

http://www.soeken.lawsonline.net/articles/WhistleUSA.html

Just wondering.

Scrivener

at 03:32 on August 19th, 2009

No relation.

Anonymously Given (not verified)

at 08:54 on August 19th, 2009

I note that today is your scheduled day in court - good luck.

"Let's see your papers" always brings to mind a memory snapshot of an old world war II movie where the body behind the voice that is making the demand for papers is wearing a Gestapo uniform. After reading your article I had a mental picture of Dylan in his black garb, standing next to the guy in the movie.

Here is one for you -

I have personal anecdotal evidence that two persons who regularly engage in this treacherous Stasi-land malarkey are school teachers! Talk about your basic "Hitler youth" training program for crissakes!

I am sure that these "teachers" make use of every opportunity to "program" the young ones in the ways of Stasi-land and Stasi-Orwellianism.

"Personal anecdotal" may not be sufficient to convict, but in my eyes it sure as hell points in the direction of our future demise as a country. Future? Scratch that - it is now.

These school-kids have already been dis-serviced by their parent generation with the programmatic elimination of God-based-values. Just think about it - the original Hitler youth were born into a time and a country where most folks actually took their religion seriously! Today we have (pretty much) eliminated that moral boundary. Now the moral boundary might very well be on par with the brutish hawking figure in their favorite video game. This is not a place where any of us would want to go - but we are already there. God save us.

It is my opinion that teachers may be solicited to be Stasi-landers precisely because of the fact that their employment schedule contains so much "idle time" during the summer months.

By the way, the regimen of "censorship" continues to keep my sites in limbo-land - over the past 30 days they have received 319 Google hits and not one click-through! Not a single one.

Anyway, as I said, good luck in court.

- A.G.

Scrivener

at 10:03 on August 19th, 2009

FYI, I received a notice that the hearing was postponed. Since the charge is groundless, I'd be surprised if it ever comes to trial.

As far as morality and religion and such... I have found that some allegedly devout people are among those who most easily buy into slander, the Big Lie, and community stalking. I've noticed that persons with tattoos of ornate, elongated crosses (signifying a certain ancient order?) are among those who stalk me in the most menacing fashion, getting up right in my face, so to speak.

I guess they forgot that part about "As ye do to the least of my brethern, so ye do unto me."

Anonymously Given (not verified)

at 10:33 on August 19th, 2009

Religion? I think that (even) an atheist might see the boundary marking value of religion (any religion). Without all of that "fire and brimstone", some folks will do almost anything for which they think they will never suffer consequences ... "Gang stalk" people, for instance.

You're correct when you say that some of the Bible toting folks are among the most aggrievous offenses in the realm of the Stasi dance.

Back to the teachers for a moment ...

If winning "hearts and minds" (read "indoctrinate the [values?] of Stasiland") is the goal, then where better to start than the school system? Believe me, this has been done.

batvette

at 17:53 on August 21st, 2009

One would wonder if anyone wanted to ascertain the identity of the real Bob Dylan, they should merely ask him to recite some of his original song lyrics.

If any of it made sense or was more decipherable than unintelligible gibberish aka mumbling, you have yourself an imposter.

I see they closed the comments here on our favorite articles. The logic is as sensible as the time I asked the manager at the grocery chain I used to shop at why they stopped carrying a certain popular brand of snack food. "So many people were buying it it was too much hassle to keep restocking the shelves". He really said that. It was the high flying '80's, so I guess he can be forgiven.

Just not a store manager anymore.

Scrivener

at 13:16 on August 22nd, 2009

Noto bene, batman.

batvette

at 19:56 on August 22nd, 2009

by far the coolest latin phrase to add spice to everyday writing is "lux et veritas".

that's light and truth to those who don't know, I'm sure vic does.

maybe raison d'etre is second, but that's french so..... or is it?

Anonymously Given (not verified)

at 06:17 on August 22nd, 2009

I wasn't aware that they closed the comment section of some of the popular articles. I suppose that explains why there have been no new messages :-)On the activists front, I have recently taken some action (following in the steps of our Mr. Vic). Anyone who wants to use the following letter as a template for generating their own letter in order to send a petition to their own representative(s) may do so (obviously the direction of the message will need modification). If Mr. Levitas responds, I may post the additional (if appropriate) material here.Hello Representative Levitas:I would like to thank you for your diligent work to make HB 0016 pass through the Georgia legislature. Was the bill signed by the Governor? I think that your HB 0016 legislation covers an area of concern that you have been forward thinking enough to conceptualize, and your bill may very well pave the way for others around the country. With the availability of inexpensive equipment, GPS-enabled social networking sites and other recent developments, most of the barriers that previously may have slowed the use of covertly (and illegally) planted gps tracking devices have fallen. Without legislation, the use of these devices is sure to increase rapidly in my state and around the country. I think your bill strikes a balance between the justifiable needs of law enforcement agencies to have (available to them) the necessary tools to do their jobs, and the protection of the civil liberties of the people. My state (as determined by my efforts to this date) seems to have very little legislated protection for the people within the current statutes as pertains to the subject matter of your HB --16. I intend to begin to petition my representatives to create legislation similar to that which you have successfully sponsored and brought to fruition. I hope that you may have some insight into the process (as you have already navigated same), such that I might expedite my goal of having the benefit of similar legislation here. Can you point me in any particular direction as regards this objective? - A.G.

Anonymously Given (not verified)

at 06:26 on August 22nd, 2009

Anonymously Given (not verified)

at 08:16 on August 22nd, 2009

Seemingly, my connection is being "pipelined" in order to remove line-feeds and/or carriage-returns from messages that I post, in an attempt to make me appear to be a complete idiot ... Please excuse the compacted, zero white space run-on paragraph in the previous post .... it's not my doing ...

Anonymously Given (not verified)

at 10:39 on August 22nd, 2009

Like Batvette said, we do ourselves a dis-service when we claim to know what we do not ... The wagging fingers all point to corporate fascism, and the circumstantial evidence abounds, but we are on the playing field with ten other football players in the heap above us .... Visibility for us (down there under the pile) is zero, what we hear is muffled, and so we are trying to interpret the vibrations coming up from the ground. Hell, it might very well be a communist takeover from the bottom up! (I doubt it, but I won't laugh as quickly as the next guy at the suggestion, because I know where I am in the pile.

myname (not verified)

at 19:51 on August 26th, 2009

"Wag your fingers."

And wag them with the pride of being a *Citizen of the United States of America."

A Nation that is revered throughout the world for *Human Rights.*

And "wag" them so the world can see!

*They* always say you cannot 'prove" anything.

But, the avalanche of public opinion and voiced proofs can prevail.

I believe that.

And I know that good will defeat evil and truth will defeat lies.

Sudo Paul Kersey (not verified)

at 21:00 on August 26th, 2009

Paul Kersey (not verified)

at 19:36 on April 21st, 2009

Well, being that I myself am a victim of gang stalking, I've been doing a little counter-surveillance of my own. It actually paid off. I'm probably one of the few victims that has actually seen pages on an organized stalking website. They made it resemble a YouTube site.

And you want to know how I know this? Well, the Informants were implementing the program at my place of employment (office environment), and I was looking over their shoulder. I also saw two other faces next to mine on the screen (possibly over TIs). I saw a picture of myself (in a compromising stance) next to some background information (most likely fake). I also saw an informant walking around the office with an official looking document with my head-shot on it. possibly made to resemble a warrant of some type. I saw video footage of my bed and computer desk in my apartment. I found one of the camera's hiding places in a nook in the ceiling, but couldn't reach it. so I blocked it with "GOOD STUFF" insulation. I did catch an informant on tape breaking into my apartment.

I also saw evidence of them selling merchandise using excerpts from bugged conversations, and DVDs with clips of their cell phone surveillance of me, strung together like a movie. It's on a site similar to cafepress.

They held several gas-lighting contests (they didn't call it that), to see who can make me so crazy that I'll do something to get in trouble with the law, or kill myself. Or they'd have "scavenger hunts" and invite people to hack my computer, break in my home and car, and have them move items, download files, etc. for upload to their file repository/gallery. And of course, the ever popular "take a photo of him" contest. they have real money prizes for the winner, ranging from $1000 up to $50,000 (last I heard). It's a very sick subculture.

This is all I'll say in a public forum for now. I've given too much info about what really goes on in this paticular organization. I even know which non-profit agency is involved and possible sources for their funding. And I can tell you this... they don't advertise themselves as stalking groups. The ones involved in my case are masking as victim's rights groups, and one happens to be faith-based/religious in nature (thanks, Bush). why "Victim's Rights?" Because I learned that my "crime" was domestic abuse (among other things). I never hit a woman or a child! SICK!

I'll shut up now. Keep up the fight! This shit is bigger and more corrupt than you can

batvette

at 12:02 on August 27th, 2009

I'd be interested in seeeing this website. Please PM me through my nowpublic account, I assure you I will divulge nothing personal.

Anonymously Given (not verified)

at 04:41 on August 28th, 2009

No recent comments from Vic - he might be a little put out by the policy change at NP to squelch comment sections after three months have elapsed ... I understand the new policy, since NP is supposed to be a news site and not a private forum (I think our ongoing message swapping might be viewed in terms of usage that goes a bit beyond simple "comment" functionality ...

myname (not verified)

at 17:50 on August 29th, 2009

So, well followed stories end in three months?

I say you are full of it, and should have sought the obvious *real news* objective.

But your financiering may be an incentive?

I suggest all relevant and important "stories" and contributors seek other venues.

Scrivener

at 10:52 on August 31st, 2009

Something fishy about this 3-mo. limitation on comments...

Is this another "spoofed page" fraud? Did NP really do this? If so, was there pressure?

Why would a relatively minor Canadian web site turn away readers? Awhile back, my pages were among the most visited, due mainly to postings to older stories.

I am not buying this. If NP really did this, it is self-defeating.

I've been considering moving stuff to a web site where I can post ads and earn some revenue. This policy change may accelerate that.

However, being based on a Canadian site might help reduce the chronic hacking and tampering since those powerful entities that appear to be behind this malicious interference might be more reluctant to violate international treaties while they violate the U.S. Constitution...

Also, I am convinced that many attempted posts never show on these pages, due to all that malicious interference. Comments to my articles that have been posted elsewhere sound much more sincere. These pages, I believe, are populated by disinfo agents who get their jollies by engaging a "target" in dialog... and block comments from "real" readers.

batvette

at 17:21 on August 31st, 2009

Comments to my articles that have been posted elsewhere sound much more sincere.

Links. Proof. Now.

How silly. "I just know more people would agree with me but their comments are blocked here".

Anonymously Given (not verified)

at 05:33 on September 2nd, 2009

In retrospect, the three month moratorium should likely be seen as part of a little clean-up work to make the site look spiffier for the Examiner.com purchase. Examiner's parent company is a bit of a conglomerate, and I'm not sure what that says about future "culture changes" relative to NP writers and aficionados ...

myname (not verified)

at 18:46 on August 29th, 2009

Of course, aLpHaBeT agencies *believe* they and their conTracTors can do anything they want and impose their illegal actions on citizens of the UniTed STaTes.

Are they really above the law?

Or is that just what "they" *believe* to be true?

A belief is an irrational thought, not based in fact.

anonymous23 (not verified)

at 20:49 on August 29th, 2009

Man, when Diylan is actually *assaulted* by a low brow "Brownshirt," our Constitution is truly in question.

Some of these people who call themselves the law are truly "Brownshirts" and need some instruction or jail time.

Fascism was part of Nazi pride, let's not do that again.

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Let us start over.

I offer these words as others have by Tennyson.

“I am a part of all that I have met
To [Tho] much is taken, much abides
That which we are, we are –
One equal temper of heroic hearts
Strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield".

And then th words of Ted Kennedy.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die".

Scrivener

at 10:56 on August 31st, 2009

Gloating over a "mission accomplished"?

anonymous23 (not verified)

at 20:34 on August 31st, 2009

Quote - "Gloating over a "mission accomplished"?"

Hardly, just relating the truth.

Your situation is similar, but not the same.

WhatIsThis? (not verified)

at 21:17 on September 1st, 2009

Activists across the country report increasing government harassment and disruption of their work:

In the Southwest, paid informers infiltrate the church services, Bible classes and support networks of clergy and lay workers giving sanctuary to refugees from El Salvador and Guatemala.

In Alabama, elderly Black people attempting for the first time to exercise their right to vote are interrogated by FBI agents and hauled before federal grand juries hundreds of miles from their homes.

www.thetalkingdrum.com/cointelpro.html

Scrivener

at 12:19 on September 3rd, 2009

Could it be that the FBI is the convenient whipping boy/fall guy for agencies that do the REAL dirty work? Just asking the question...

WhatIsThis? (not verified)

at 20:44 on September 3rd, 2009

I have been told that this *is* the fBI and the Military.

Don't know if it is true, but I have seen aspects of a "multi-agency" program.

But a program for what, other than destroying innocent citizens.

Scrivener

at 06:50 on September 7th, 2009

The best available evidence indicates that the FBI is not the lead agency in this "multi-agency coordinated action" program of extrajudicial targeting, persecution, physical assault, torture, and "slow-kill" genocide/politicide. I do note that "slow kill" is a term used in military and intel circles.

My best read of this situation is that the FBI will not be the fall guy for a covert campaign of genocide overseen by another executive branch agency -- and, in fact, may be the entity that preserves the rule of law in America. Have a nice day.

batvette

at 07:07 on September 10th, 2009

"Best available evidence"? Care to fill in the rest of us?

You don't know anything of the sort. Prove me wrong. Show this "evidence".

COINTELPRO set a precedent, it was systemic, and cases subsequently show it continued. Do you deny this or wish to produce this "evidence" in rebuttal?

WE DON'T KNOW who is or isn't doing this.

Anonymously Given (not verified)

at 13:11 on October 20th, 2009

Is it just me, or has there been a precipitous drop in the message posting rate for this site? October is when the internet usually starts to pick up speed (thanks to the cold creeping in on the Northerners).