ELCA adopts social statement on human sexuality

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The bible was written by man,therefore,much room for error................Live and let live I say.

The Lutheran Church of North America is split though. 

The Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church has rejected this.

Only the non Zionist have endorsed this.

Wish I see as a problem even though the decision is commendable.

    I have some close relatives who grew up Lutheran, & this is very contrary to their beliefs.  I wonder if, like politicians, the church leadership here is very out-of-step with the attitudes of the congregations in general.  If so, it will only result in forcing them out of fellowship to other churches -- a form of robbery, by perhaps stealing their buildings & facilities via corruption of officials.  Is there a way for the congregations to vote?  Why do only the officials seem to get to decide the matter?  This is like in government, where politicians do unpopular things after elected to office...because they no longer need the people.  then, if they later run for reelection, they can always lie or make up another story to deceieve by. 

     Still, if it is a church, it should be adhering to the teachings of christianity, and homosexuality is opposed in both old & new testaments of the bible, right?  Therefore, if people want to condone homosexuality as a doctrine while seeking the same God as the christians, jews & muslims, they need to also form their own religion, like the muslims did.  They can call it whatever they want, to differentiate it.  After all, would a muslim worship in a church or synagogue or would a christian go to a mosque to attend worship services?  Even in biblical times, when the jews sometimes fell away from God and worshipped Baal, they didn't pretend to be worshipping God, did they?  Practising homosexuals cannot go before a God who has constantly revealed his displeasure with homosexuality, even from as long ago as evidently charring Sodom & Gomorrah, and pretend to be worshipping Him as a christian. 

      If people have that big of a difference in doctrine so as to so greatly depart from the authority of the bible, then they have a new religion and must call it something else.  To not do so is merely a lie, and if it is a lie, then "why"?  Is it a desire to deceive people?  Why?  Is it due to fear of nonacceptance by others ... or a feeling of guilt?  Either way is bad, because if they say there is nothing wrong, then why feel secretly guilty; and, if they feel they need the acceptance of others & fear the lack of it, does that not show they have no real confidence in the way they choose to live?  Decide what is right.  If homosexuality is wrong, repent, ask God for help, and do right!  If homosexuality is not wrong, then why keep pretending it is christian when the two are opposed to each other?   Personally, I am tired of America's dishonesty.  Look, say what you mean & mean what you say, so people can know where you stand.  Do not get up & lie to everyone for self-gain.  That is detestable. 

      Not only that, but to steal millions of dollars in buildings & facilities via deceitful takeovers by corrupted clergy who don't hold to the faith they preach....is also evil & detestable.  The early christians rejoiced when they were ostracized and put out of the synagogues by the jews.  Why then are homosexuals taking over churches by deceitfulness & underhanded ploys against the doctrines of those they profess to minister to in good faith & according to church doctrine?  If you have no guts to get out & start something of your own, & only deal underhandedly with those you were hired to help in good faith according to THEIR beliefs, ...then you also are not fit to even minister to those homosexuals you now profess to support.  Such "ministers" are sinister false shepherds with too little character to lead, like Judas Iscariat, the disciple who betrayed Jesus and who, beforehand, used to steal from the money that was kept in his stewardship for them all.  The same God they falsely profess will judge them then, right?  So repent in the church, or repent & leave false representation behind.