Equal right to women - Allah says no! we women are against it.

I agree sara star. However, I'm sure that you'd agree that America is way ahead of many countries throughout the world in terms of human rights. In my neck of the woods, if we saw that a woman was being raped,  we'd beat the crap out of the guy and call 911. And before the cops hauled him off, we'd tell him, "Don't come around here no more!" It would be the right thing to do. And at the trial, we wouldn't hesitate to testify that we caught the son of a bitch in the act of rape.

Salaam,

Ok let us start with 9/11 if you insist, Yes I am one who believes that it was not necessarily commited by the U.S government but definatly allowed to happen by them, I along with thousands if not millions of people the world over, including about half the population of America itself.

If my idea is incorrect or you just dissagree with me for whatever reason, I ask you to assess the evidence, eye witness acounts state that the plane or whatever it was, was a military plane, for a start it flew to fast to be anything else. ( aside from a misile that some believe it was) Their were reports that the plane had no windows, these accounts were from news reporters themselves aswell as the general public of America.

One claim that was made was the passports of the supposid terrorists were found, erm, so a plain flew into a building, distroyed everything including said building but passports (made of plastic) survived???

Another claim that the plain flew into the building and the building collapsed is nonsense as if you pay very close attention to early news footage live at the scene you can see firefighters running and saying, "theirs a bomb in the building, get the **** out" and anybody knows that for a huge building to go down you need to attack the foundations.

Also if you assess the people who are supposed to have committed this crime we learn that they could not fly for toffee, the instructors say they had no hope of passing.

Also you explain to me why lower parts of the building exploded seconds before explosions were seen where the plane entered.

Erm oh yes and have you heard of or seen the film called faranheit 9/11 that I believe the American government attempted to ban??

Now, what exactly do you mean,

"as an integral componant of their belief system, do not believe any American is innocent"

This demonstraights to me that you know nothing whatsoever about Islam. In Islam it says nowhere to kill innocent people regardless of gender or age.

Any suicide bombings that occer in the Muslim world are NOT a part of the Muslim world, you cannot tar all Muslims because of the actions of a few of them, who by the way cannot be called Muslims as their actions are unislamic.

After all can all Americans be tarred with the brush of Vietnam or Guanntanimo Bay???

For the record anyone who celibrated the actions on 9/11 is completly disgusting in my eyes, and it shows up the bad side of freedom of speach, which by the way not one single so called democratic country has completly, look at how many people have disapeared in strange circumstances in America over the years for excorcising that very right, who do you think made them dissapear??

Oh and its true in America people dont get shot or dicapatated?? hmmmm, no, they just get put on death row for years, or put somewhere and tortued.

Now you speak of rape, nowhere in any country does a woman get beaten if she is the victim of rape, unless that country is so viciously corrupt, now I admit I have heard of such things but I would like to say that this is so totally unislamic and it sickens me to hear it. BUT again you cannot blame all Muslims for the actions of a few.

Here I will highlight however the gaol terms given for rape in the states and in England, are they adiquate? I dont think so, two to three years mostly, is that the price of a womans life? at least under Islamic Law (actual practiced Shari'a Law) if you are guilty of rape, you get the death penalty, plain and simple.

Also America are you fair with your woman? what are your domestic violence rates? murder rates of the husband killing his wife? Why is it that over 60% of reported rapes in America happen in the workplace?

Why is it you send your woman out to work for eight+ hours a day and still expect them to be good wives and mothers. You are then supprised when your children turn to drugs, sex and criminal activity. Then when asked the reasons as to why your children are acting this way, you say, oh, it is a lack of traditional family values that is causing this problem, can you not see you are the creator of these situations?

Cirtainly some justice is metered out in the name of religion, refering back to your point of,

"woman, beaten..... because they did not cover their face properly"

Where I do not agree with this practice at all as I feel if they are commiting a sin then Allah will decide their punishment, I do have to say that if this is the rule of their country and they dont follow it then they recieve the consiquences. After all if a person from a cirtain European country went to live in America and had sexual relations with a twelve year old girl just because it was ok in his country, then he would have to endure a suitable punishment given to him by the American authorites, would he not?

As a final point the American government are not sensitive about criticism of the Muslim world. Many government officials aswell as Bush himself have openly insulted Muslims the world over, also look at what was said when it came out "Obama was wearing a turbin"

When looking into politics its corruptions, players and puppets it is vital to do much reasurch not just watch CNN.

Its within the religion and the women are indoctrinated into the belief that they have a set position within the Islamic religious society. Muhammad set the laws that concerned women and men and those that are dedicated to Islam wish to pursuit its path.

Other law's have been added and of course some what cruel punishment as an additive based on the laws within the Koran.

What we see as cruelty and oppression and crimes against human rights such as non equality for women is seen as part of the dedication to Islam by many of its dedicated followers including women. Even in moderate Muslim states some of the things we see as being human rights abuse are seen as being part of Muslim life and culture.

USA and the west puts pressures on change and wants to install democracy within states that are normal ruled by religious laws and a Islamic way of life.

The point is that is it right to over shod the real wishes of the citizens of Islamic nations such as Iraq and Afghanistan and replace governance that contradicts their religion? 

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Hey Salaam Paschen,

You are being unfair, if you noted my earlier posts, I was talking mainly of individual power, i.e, a husband over his wife. Not collective power, of course I accept that men still hold top posts, get paid more etc, but in domestic situations under Islamic Law men take the lead in cirtain areas and woman in others was my point.

As a further point I am a Muslim woman, I wear Islamic Hijab and it was not forced upon me to do so. I attend university and am studing Law, soon to be studying Islamic Shari'a for my masters, encouraged to do so by my soon to be husband Insha Allah.