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Ex-Tory MP Spink defects to UKIP
by Dave Keating | April 22, 2008 at 12:36 am | 428 views | 7 comments | 0 recommendations
The UK parliament now has its first UK Independence Party member of parliament (MP). Up until now the UKIP has only had a presence on the European Parliament in Brussels, and the UK has several UKIP MEPs (members of the European parliament). The aprty is centred chiefly around the desire to remove the United Kingdom from the EU, although it also embraces other anti-immigration and anti-globalisation themes. In its domestic policy stances, it is similar in some ways to the British National Party.
The UK Independence Party has its first MP after former Conservative Bob Spink announced he is to join its ranks.
Mr Spink resigned the Tory whip last month in a row over apparent efforts by his local party to deselect him.
He claims the Conservatives have been "dishonest" over their Europe policies and says a by-election in his Castle Point constituency is unnecessary.
UKIP say they are "delighted" about their new recruit. Senior Tories say they are "relaxed" about the move.
Mr Spink said he had decided to leave the Conservatives after years of being "disenchanted" with the party.
'Logical step'
He accused them of being "dishonest" with the public over a wide range of issues, including Europe, pensions, crime, immigration and defence.
I am delighted to welcome the hard-working and deeply principled Bob Spink as UKIP's first Member of Parliament
Nigel Farage
UKIP leader"I voted against the Tory whip 22 times in the last session, on issues such as equality for women on pensions, which I think is a good thing, and on defence issues, and getting tough on crime, issues that really concern the people of this country," he told BBC's Five Live Breakfast.
April 22, 2008 at 12:36 am by Dave Keating, 428 views, 7 comments
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at 02:52 on April 22nd, 2008
Mr. Dave Keating, please do not comment on people or parties until you have researched them, PLEASE. Your comment that "the UK Independence Party is similar in some ways to the British National Party" is a GROSS insult. The BNP is a racist, bigoted and colour blind organisation.
The UKIP is not any of the above. Political Correctness is the new unseen gulag of the socialist political know all's. They try to stop honest debate about immigration by trying to label people and parties with there lies. Political Correctness is now seen to be a major threat to democratic free speech. Please Mr. Dave Keating, do not fall into the PC trap and loose any credibility you have left.
The UK Independence Party is fighting to regain Britain’s independence, an independence that was given away by the socialist (Red & Blue) without the consent of the British people.
Let's set one thing right! Europe never has been, isn't now and never will be for the GOOD of the people. It always has been and will always be a JOB for the boys. A great big fat gravy train that the failed career politicians can milk, drip...drip. It will become an unstoppable monolithic bureaucratic monster run by unelected career politicians that know how to subjugate the people with lies and misinformation. It knows not what the word democracy means. I does not understand the word NO.
Thousands have lobbied their MP's for a referendum but if you had followed the latest UK parliamentary debate on yet another EU treaty (the EU constitution) you will have come to the constitution that Britain's parliament has become no better that a banana republic.
As far as this corrupt socialist/communist goverment and the corrupt failed opposition is concered "1984" was not a warning but a master plan.
We need a new Party! Vote NO to the EU choose freedom.
at 03:46 on April 22nd, 2008
"Political Correctness is the new unseen gulag of the socialist political know all's. They try to stop honest debate about immigration by trying to label people and parties with there lies. Political Correctness is now seen to be a major threat to democratic free speech."
Right on. Same thing in U.S. There are so many people running about trying to prove how superior, how enlightened, they are, and they stay busy calling other people facists, etc. and mostly, these types just spend a lot of time trying to censor others while noting how "open" they themselves are.
There are surprises coming in America, I think. For some weird reason, there actually are people who believe that you can have conversations about immigration, race, etc. on the issues--without being what others kneejerk call "racist" or "protectionist" or whatever.
at 03:08 on April 22nd, 2008
I'd have to disagree, from an objective standpoint both parties are similarly situated on a political scale in terms of nationalism and protectionism. Thanks for your input though.
at 03:43 on April 22nd, 2008
Wow. Really down on the UK, aren't you? And why are "nationalism" and protectionism dirty words?
at 04:03 on April 22nd, 2008
How does that translate as being down on the UK? These are both fringe parties. I never said they were dirty words, in fact I didn't make any judgement call about them whatsoever.
at 07:19 on April 22nd, 2008
Politics and agendas make use of the "frog in boiling water" approach, among other things.
Perhaps I should have said "down on the traditional ethics of the UK" or "down on the great solid traditional UK culture; those who brought the boys home from Dunkirk."
Comparing this party, or those whole hold "protectionist" views (can you define those, according to your viewpoint?) to the British National Party would be somewhat like defining those who vote and campaign for Obama as "similiar" to the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrahkan followers. Or, it could be somewhat like defining those who vote again Obama as "similiar" to the KKK.
Both would be exaggerations, I think.
Perhaps I misjudged your views from other posts and conversations from you.
So, Dave, what are your stands on British nationalism? And related issues?
I view the rational form of nationalism like this. Let's say that one day you, Dave, come home and find out that 50 new alien immigrants have been moved into your home. But, but, I don't have the facilities for this, and this is my home! And someone replies: geez, what, are you a racist? Are you against helping those in need? And then it goes on and on: you get water and light bills totaling $3,000 in a month, and *you* must pay them. You discover that you're no longer "allowed" to eat this or that, or do this or that, and that you must do this or that, because this or that upsets the new people now living in your apartment, and for which you are paying. And then one day you find out that one of them has gotten your job, because he is lesser-trained and will work cheaper. So now you must provide for those people living in your home, and with a reduced income. But if you complain, and say "Hey! this was my home first, and someone shouldn't move in on me, use up resources, expect me to pay for increased usage of everything, and then force me to change according to them."
Would you enjoy this? Would you like to do this?
If you say "no," then you're a protectionist.
In a way, this discussion and your comments literally prove SmallGovBigPeople: the minute someone wants to discuss or protest anything to do with immigrants, they get labels slapped on them--like that of the British National Party.
Just my opinion, of course.
at 17:50 on April 22nd, 2008
PEP, I could not have said it better.
The thing is, Dave is a socialist and socialist have learnt nothing from history and that is the problem for democracy in Britain. The socialist have now been in power since 1997. Yes, they are the most politically, financially and morally corrupt undemocratic government the country has ever had... but the socialist voters have put them there, the socialist voters knew (after the first term) there poor record, did they care? of course not... they are the socialist voters. They will vote socialism in if Lucifer himself led the party. People like Dave who wrote the above comment care nothing about Britain and its history, culture and freedoms, they do not understand what loosing freedom, democracy and the right to vote for the people that ACTUALLY make the decisions means. They walk about with great big guilty chips on their shoulders because they have money, food, a house and holidays. Being a socialist relieves you of that guilt, surly by voting for socialism you are voting for good over evil!
Except for one thing, one thing that people like Dave will never understand unless they bother to read there history. Socialism, like Communism, at any point in history, in any county has never worked. It has and will always fail, TOTALY. It has destroyed whole communities and countries. Today’s socialist shout "but ours is democratic socialism". Democracy and socialism are like matter and antimatter, like opposing magnetic poles they cannot be used in the same sentence; it's like writing "Child friendly pedophiles".
The people to blame for my once great country’s shocking state of affairs is the milkman who doesn’t vote because "they are all the same", the taxi driver who is still angry at Thatcher (and now Ken), the worker who still believes there is a working and upper class, the ethnic areas of our society who believe there is no other party for them, the union member who thinks the same and on and on... Only when these socialist realise that the problem with freedom and democracy is once lost it is impossible to retrieve.
Explain this… when Thatcher tried to change the rates system, the pole tax riots were enormous, out of control, always on TV. Did you watch the people who took part in those riots? Those people were mainly socialist, but they took to the streets! The rest of us stayed at home on our fat arses just as we have been for the last 20 years. With what is happening now to my country we should all be out on the streets… but we are not. We are dying of indifference. In 2 years when the EU takes away our ability to vote (WHICH IT WILL DO) then we will be dead.
Miliband, and half the UK government come from a Marxist communist background along with most of the EU government (Angela Merkel) being no better. If the British people do not do something NOW the world will watch Europe go the way of the soviet union and will fail in many years time for the same reasons.
I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who once said: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety". We must decide what is more important for us and the well-being of our compatriots, "European unity" or liberty and the right to self-determination. I hope that the bloody ghosts of hundreds of thousands of brave men and women, who gave their lives, often with great pain, to keep Britain and Ireland free from this sort of thing, will march all night, every night, past the beds of the inadequates in Government who have conspired in this disgrace.
DAVE, a good reporter tells the truth, no matter how painful.
I say again,
Choose a new Party! Vote NO to the EU choose freedom.