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False Statements about the Gaza War
1--Israel is targeting civilians
2--Israel is committing genocide
3--Israel is like the Nazis
4--The US is funding Israel in the Gaza War
5--Gaza is a holocaust
6--Israel is committring war crimes
7--Hamas has done nothing wrong, is only defending Gaza
8--Hamas came to power in democratic elections.
1 A proved lie-- About 1,000 have died in the Gaza war. Israel is accused of terrorism, carpet bombing, disproportinate response, aiming at civilians, trying to kill as many as possible.
Fact. With the firepower Israel has it could have in the past three weeks killed a million Gazans if they desired.That only 1,000 are dead is a credit to Israel.
2 Rather than genocide Israel is making strong efforts to avoid killing civilians and over 2/3 of those dead were armed gunmen.
3 This is ignorant of history. Killing 1,000 in 3 weeks of war is nothing near Nazi death totals and anyone who compares the two has no idea what he is talking about.
4 US gave Israel less than 2% of the budget so Israel is funding itself 98%
5 Six million Jews died in the holocaust, by being shot while tied up or gassed in death chambers. In three weeks while being fired at by thousands of heavily armed men, Israel has killed 1,000, most armed gunmen.
6 Not true.
7 Hamas has fired thousands of rockets at Israeli citizens, conducted hundreds of suicide bombings, has vowed to eliminate Israel, has said it is legitimate to kill Jewish children any where in the world, and legitimate to fire rockets at civilians.
8 Hamas came to power through a military coup, killing, torturing, and imprisoning thousands of Fatah Gazans,the real legitimate government of Palestine.
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at 13:52 on January 14th, 2009
Welcome to the Jerusalem Post on NP. "I agree there are no dead people in Gaza, all a lie". You like this comment ? The photo is insulting for the 1000 people killed in Gaza, with 300 children massacred
Think first before posting war propaganda on NP it questions our reputation. It does not help. Amazing all the "sleepers", parked writers for purpose come from Florida, is there a Nest for paid junk opinion writing ?
at 14:19 on January 14th, 2009
There are 1000 dead, a tragedy, but in no way comparable to the Nazis killing 30 million civilians.
Jews=Nazis. That is the lie.
And the insult is comparing 1,000 dead in a war started by Hamas, to 6 million Jews gassed by Nazis. It is proper to criticize Israel, I have done so but when someone brings up Nazis in comparison, then that is the real propaganda.
I wrote this article and nothing in it is from the Jpost.
If you accuse me of being paid by anyone for my opinions be prepared to answer to NP staff.
at 14:27 on January 14th, 2009
Please don't accuse people of being paid for an underhanded purpose; that is both insulting and a violation of our COC, but I don't need to repeat this to you again.
If you cannot make a comment without a personal attack, then please, don't comment.
at 14:32 on January 14th, 2009
Thank you.
You may want to look at con10 remarks also.
at 13:59 on January 14th, 2009
158, if this is an Opinion piece, please tag it as such. If you obtained this "story" from another source, please use NowPublic highlight tool. Thanks!
at 14:23 on January 14th, 2009
It is all my words, NOT FROM ANY OTHER SOURCE and I just marked it opinion.
Thank you.
at 14:33 on January 14th, 2009
158, you are very welcome! Thank you for adding an Opinion tag.
at 14:03 on January 14th, 2009
From JewishVoiceforPeace.org:
Top Five Things You Should Know About U.S. Military Aid to Israel
1. Harm to Palestinian civilians
A large part of U.S. military aid to Israel goes to purchase tanks, helicopter gunships, machine guns, and bullets that are used against Palestinian civilians. Our tax dollars have been used to destroy homes; uproot trees and crops; seize land from its lawful owners; close all access to food, medicine, and the outside world for small towns in the West Bank and Gaza; staff checkpoints that cut off ambulances and other civilian traffic; and carry out assassinations that kill children in addition to summarily executing political leaders. When Palestinian doctors remove bullets from the bodies of Palestinian children, the bullets are typically stamped "Made in the U.S.A."
Israel has used its U.S.-financed arsenal against unarmed Palestinian civilians, including children. Amnesty International reports that in 2002 alone, "At least 1,000 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli army, most of them unlawfully. They included some 150 children and at least 35 individuals killed in targeted assassinations. Certain abuses committed by the Israeli army constituted war crimes.?[including] unlawful killings, obstruction of medical assistance and targeting of medical personnel, extensive and wanton destruction of property, torture and cruel and inhuman treatment, unlawful confinement and the use of "`human shields."?
?The IDF continued to demolish houses and destroy agricultural land and industrial installations throughout the Gaza Strip?.The IDF routinely used F-16 fighter jets, helicopter gunships, and tanks to bomb and shell Palestinian residential areas in response to gunfire or mortar attacks by Palestinians or in reprisal for suicide bombings and other attacks??
Go to Amnesty International for more reports on the Occupied Territories and Israel.
2. Harm to Israelis
In addition to the devastation it visits on Palestinians, the occupation threatens the democratic values Israel seeks to uphold. Massive military aid promotes militarism, which has led to a reliance on military, rather than diplomatic means to work for a solution to this ongoing conflict. More and more Israelis question the moral decay that accompanies the criminal actions of the military and the dehumanization of the Palestinian people. A peace rally at the height of Israel?s reoccupation of the main towns of the West Bank in April 2002 drew 15,000 protestors in Tel Aviv. Currently nearly 1,200 Israeli army reservists refuse to serve in the Occupied Territories because the occupation corrupts Israeli society and endangers, rather than enhances, the security of Israelis. Israeli activists support the suspension of U.S. military aid to Israel; in the words of feminist activist Rela Mazali, ?[T]he U.S. foots most of the bills run up by this siege and makes some of the most lethal weapons used to maintain it. We hope you will tell your government to stop arming the conflict.?
3. Harm to the U.S. and its citizens
Israel is required to use 75% of its military aid from the U.S. to buy arms and equipment such as Caterpillar bulldozers made in the U.S. It funnels this money to more than 1,000 U.S. arms suppliers, which in turn lobby for U.S. policies that benefit them at the expense of peace in the Middle East. As a result, the diversion of our tax dollars not only reduces funding for education and social programs but militarizes our public policy overall. U.S. military aid to Israel sets the U.S. in opposition to many Arab and European nations who recognize the horrors of the occupation. This makes U.S. citizens less safe because we are more hated. And the massive flow of arms into Israel is made even more dangerous by arms sales of lesser quality to other Middle Eastern countries such as Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. While all this business fills the coffers of arms merchants, it makes the Middle East ever more unstable. Furthermore, when our government arms proponents of massive human rights abuses, we become complicit in their crimes and hated by their victims. U.S. support of Israel?s occupation of Palestinian lands and its abuse of human rights undermines any moral authority to criticize human rights abuses in other countries. And it shreds the U.S. of any credibility in acting to promote peace in the region.
4. Violations of U.S. and international law
U.S. law prohibits the president from furnishing military aid to any country ?which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.? 22 U.S.C. ? 2304(a). The U.S. Department of State reported in March 2003 that, ?Israel's overall human rights record in the occupied territories remained poor and worsened in several areas as it continued to commit serious human rights abuses?.Israeli security units used excessive force during Palestinian demonstrations, while on patrol, pursuing suspects, and enforcing checkpoints and curfews, which resulted in many deaths.? Targeting civilians, as Israel has done, is a war crime under the Fourth Geneva Convention. The fact that Palestinian groups have done the same makes it no less criminal. For more information on these human rights violations visit www.btselem.org, and web.amnesty.org/report2003/2md-index-eng.
5. Aid is excessive and disproportionate
More U.S. aid goes to Israel than any other country, even though Israel?s per capita income is as high as many European countries. In fiscal year 2003 Israel received a foreign military financing grant of $3.1 billion and a $600 million grant for economic security in addition to $11 billion in commercial loan guarantees. This total aid package of nearly $15 billion makes Israel by far the largest single recipient of U.S. aid. U.S. aid is a function of politics. According to a Time/CNN poll, released April 12, 2002, 60% of Americans favor cutting aid to Israel if Israel does not immediately withdraw its troops from Palestinian areas. Further, U.S. aid to other countries is often tied to various conditions, depending on what the U.S. wants the aid recipient to do. We are asking that aid to Israel be treated in the same manner.
Pouring arms into an area of the world already plagued by violence can only increase death and destruction and render the U.S. a questionable broker for peace at best. In these hard economic days, that money can be put to use in the U.S. or it could be used to build a stable Palestinian society, out of the devastation that exists there now. The Israeli economy has been in a downward spiral for years, and foreign investment has long been directly related to the level of violence in the region. Using military aid as a lever to end the occupation will be a boon to the security and hopes for the future for both Israelis and Palestinians.
Key Facts
$89.9 billion (uncorrected for inflation)
$2.76 billion military aid grant
$2.1 billion economic support funds
$600 million refugee resettlement grant
$2 billion
Military aid grant $1 billion
Commercial loan guarantees $9 billion
Arrow missile development $60 million
SOURCES: Clyde R. Mark, ?Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance, Congressional Research Service, updated April 1, 2003; Clyde R. Mark, Middle East: U.S. Foreign Assistance, FY 2001, FY 2002, FY 2003 Congressional Research Service, March 28, 2002
at 14:24 on January 14th, 2009
Thanks for a long comment. I will respond when I am caught up on comments.
at 14:46 on January 14th, 2009
However you post numbers Israel is paying for 98% of its budget. 2% nay help Israel, in war or peace, but it is certainly not funding Israel.
Israel has a $200 billion budget. With no US aid that can buy all the weapons they need. I am in no way supporting or defending Israel. Earlier today I posted a story highly critical of Israel.And if the US must stop aiding Israel Iran must stop aiding Hamas. And just how is Hamas making Gaza safe by firing Iranianrockets at Israeli cities?
I am not going back and forth with numbers. US support is less than 2%. How much of the Hamas budget does Iran provide. But I agree with you that the US SHOULD GIVE NO MONEY TO ISRAEL, for any purpose.
I am not defending the US. I oppose many, most US policies but Israel's human rights record is far better than Hamas.
On your last point I agree US should give no money to Israel, none for any reason. So I will not answer on your numbers in #5.
at 15:07 on January 14th, 2009
you write: "US support is less than 2%"
2% of what? I am all for funding Israel to now send its doctors and students in to care for the maimed children that remind many of previous massacres. Perhap mandatory military service inIsrael shifts to civil service to let allay the terror they have struck in a generation of kids corralled into a no go zone they surround (even the rights to fishing on the coast are not allowed Gazans), familes separated, and just the existence trickle of food, enough so they can be consious that they are being starve physically and emotionally by the current cruel Israel, again reminiscent of past horrors and concentration camps. Gazan are surounded and controlled, broken and tunted and robed of their rights and freedom to move, study, get medical care, grow, prosper. Why? [edited for content]
at 15:19 on January 14th, 2009
Israel's budget is $200 billion. US gave them $2 billion. I don't know the details but if the US gave $2 billion got farm aid then Israel could use the $2billion saved for war weapons, so it remains Israel is financing 98% of what it does, war, peace, doctors.
You talk about MASSACRE. Hamas is well armed and shooting at Israel. That is a battle.
1,00 are dead, a tragedy, but two armies are fighting in a densely populated area, civilians will die unless they agree to go to an unpopulated area and fight it out. THAT IS WAR, Horrible
Gaza has suffered and they are justifiably angry but dating back to 1948 Arab armies have invaded Israel and killed their civilians.
"cruel Israel, again reminiscent of past horrors and concentration camps" If you really believe this you have zero knowledge of concentration camps.. That is a shame.
Be honest on this question. If Israel wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible, how many would have died in the past three weeks?
And Hamas has killed, tortured, imprisoned, more Gazans than has Israel. I blame both for this mess, horror. You totally overlook the crimes of Hamas whill blaming only Israel.
at 16:44 on January 14th, 2009
Israel is America's ally, that's why they get the aid. It's nothing sinister, that's what allies do - they help each other.
Hamas is Iran's ally so they get Iran's aid. The concept isn't difficult to understand.
America gets a lot from Israel in return. Israel has developed weapons and communication systems that are incorporated into American weapon and defense systems.
Interestingly, you point out that an alternative use of America's funds "...could be used to build a stable Palestinian society." The Palestinians are the biggest welfare case in the world. Over 80% of the population receives UN welfare with 83% of it funded by the US and Europe (their "Arab brothers" contribute 7% and most of that is for arms). Perhaps, if these welfare payments were cut back or eliminated Palestinians would spend their energy on building their economy and not making war. Also, it is not up to the US or Israel or anybody else to build Palestinian society. It is up to the Palestinians to build their own,
Source for UNRWA funds ( http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123171179743471961.html)
at 17:02 on January 14th, 2009
gahooch
Interesting comment and statistics.
I would add US, Israel and other Arabs should work together to actually produce a free Palestine state.
at 18:26 on January 14th, 2009
Jordon is the Palestinian state.
at 14:10 on January 14th, 2009
Take a course in rhetoric. Lots to be learned from Aristotle. Your US TV routine is transparent. Numbers, like the Power Point Powell used in the UN to convince the world that Iraq had WMD, are lies veiled with simulated authority. That's number 1. Number 2... see what I mean. You also compose the question and the answer. Do you often conduct Q&A sessions with yourself? See a doctor. To invent accusations, only to dispell them is to disregard others. Worse than disrespect is murder, which no numbering system will rationalize. Not even if you listed 1000 reasons, one for every civilian killed in Gaza, this year alone!
at 14:30 on January 14th, 2009
con10t.
Learn to read. I follow no one, I look for truth. Don't label all who disagree with you.
The US was wrong to invade Iraq.
Israel should have helped set up a fully independent Palestine 20 years ago
You had better watch personal insults or NP staff will become nvolved. You can support Hamas all you want but DO NOT IMPLY anyone with a different opinion is mentally ill. One more such remark will cause me to delete all your remarks.
at 15:15 on January 14th, 2009
Members cannot delete other members' remarks; just to clear that rumour up.
However, con10t, your comments are a direct violation of our COC - please keep the comments to the story or do not comment at all.
at 15:24 on January 14th, 2009
amyjudd
I will remember that.
Iwelcome all comments that are not personal attacks.
at 16:01 on January 14th, 2009
"You had better watch personal insults or NP staff will become involved."
I am new here, and had an "experienced" writer, present on this post, inform me yesterday that my comment was against NP rules.
After asking him, and him saying, that he was not a site moderator, he didn't send my comment for arbitration as he said he would. Oh dear.
So maybe YOU are the site moderator then? I mean, telling a commenter what is or isn't acceptable comment? Oh! You aren't?
Wow! So many chiefs......and...
Just to make things clear, if anyone doesn't like my comments, including the one below, let him or her send it to the site and stop menacing others. That's why this site has moderators.
I am a big boy now and do not accept bullying tactics.
Thank you.
at 17:09 on January 14th, 2009
Fripouille
My remark was addressed to Con10, not you.
I thought the author could delete but I was wrong.
Amy Judd is NP staff and she can delete and arbitrate and she is fair about it.
I enjoy your comments.
at 17:22 on January 14th, 2009
Hi 158
Yeah, I realise that. My comment was just kind of "once bitten, twice shy".
My sincere apologies for the misunderstanding.
Amy Judd? Couldn't agree more. She is tactful but firm, as demonstrated by her unhesitating (and in my view correct), decision to shut down comment on a recent post here on the site.
Regards,
Fripouille.
at 17:32 on January 14th, 2009
My regards to you.
I fully agree on AmyJudd.
at 18:25 on January 14th, 2009
Hi Fripouille.
Welcome to NowPublic.
For the record, only those with the gold crowns are the real 'chiefs'.
Of course, that doesn't prevent some from wanting to exert control like a chief!
at 18:51 on January 14th, 2009
Thank you Karen.
Those are kind and informative words and I appreciate them.
at 14:35 on January 14th, 2009
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MGWio68eNRQ
The ICRC has criticised Israel for being in breach of international humanitarian law. This after it was discovered that 12 people had been killed in a house in Gaza and their small children had been left to starve.
The Red Cross were consistently denied access to the building, despite local knowledge that there were people inside it. And even when eventually Red Cross workers were permitted to venture to the building, they were denied the right to bring an ambulance to take the children, who were too weak to walk. Instead critical time was lost as the Red Cross workers went in search of a donkey cart.
at 14:54 on January 14th, 2009
Matt
I have criticized Israel.
Gaza is a war zone. In WWII 2/3 of the deaths were civilians, many children.
I have heard the story you relate and I don't know if it is true or not. I will check on it.
It is not a crime to fire on a house if someone there is shooting at you. It is a war crime to willfully fire at civilians not near military targets. It is a war crime to hide among civilians and fire at the enemy, even an occupier.
There are no angels in this war. Two armies are trying to destroy each other and civilians are dying.
at 15:36 on January 14th, 2009
"Facts".
The only fact here is that the net is currently being infested by virulent anti-jewish or anti-muslim propaganda.
I have read other posts by some of the people present on this post. Intelligent and original opinions, sensitive and open-minded expression.
What IS it that transforms otherwise rational people into violent, rabid, clichéd and mindlessly fanatical knee-jerk partisan mouthpieces when it comes to the Palestine/Israel issue?
Hmmmmm
at 15:50 on January 14th, 2009
I would not say it like that but I agree with the idea tou are presenting.
Some subjects push some people to react by emotion, to attack any dissent.
Bush. -- For many he is evil incarnate. He has done no right and is the worst ever.
Clinton and/or Kennedy--Some on the other side react the same way to them.
Gay marriage-- either you oppose wqual rights or you are immoral
Abortion--Either you murder babies or you hate women.
Israel/Palestine. No middle ground, either terrorist or Jewish Nazi.
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Why? It is emotional. When someone is convinced he/she is 100% right that makes any dissent immoral, to be attacked, suppressed, destroyed.
This just mirrors the facts on the ground in Israel and Gaza. For most, there is no middle ground so both sides kill the other and civilins are in the crossfire.
at 16:09 on January 14th, 2009
158, you are right on the button here.
That is the mirror.
While civilians are dying, armchair Jihadists and Zionist integrists, far from the violence and full of propaganda, are fanning the flames.
Bottom line.