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First, Republican Rep. Paul Broun warned America how a public health care option will kill people. Now we have another Republican warning how Obama's health care will kill babies!
Appearing on Fox News, Kristan Hawkins, Executive Director of Students For Life, explained how the Obama health care plan would kill her cute little white baby “Gunner” and how babies in Britain actually die while waiting in long lines for doctors.
TheCameraObscura
Los Angeles, California, United States
charliemcmillan
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom
mudricky
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom
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at 03:32 on July 26th, 2009
No free natioanl health care system will ever be perfect.
The stories of babies and old people waiting in lines in the UK to be seen rearly happen, why would anyone in your country not want a NHS style healthcare system?
Strange.
at 04:13 on July 26th, 2009
Because they just can not understand it and have not seen the film sicko. Its all mainly republican based anti Obamaism. Or they just don't give a S$*t about those that can not afford health care amongst the middle class hord's and the dirty unwashed workforce and the very poor elderly and the disabled, lol Hey guys I am alright Jack, blow you what do I care group that normal patriotic crowd that dance to the stars and stripes, lol
The problem is some body will believe the propaganda and not remember how people die including children that are not covered by medical insurance in USA. They die on the way to find a hospital that will treat them.
Not many babies die in UK waiting for treatment more die because they can't get non in USA I expect?
at 05:27 on July 26th, 2009
You've hit that on the nail.
Go to the source link and look at some if the headlines and photos. It sums up the kind of people who are against it.
Good luck to them.
at 10:20 on July 26th, 2009
Mudricky, you have to understand that most Americans are ignorant (and proud of it), swallow every PR issued by the Republicans (and their health insurance lobbyists) and have this enormous pride in a failed healthcare, illegal invasions, torture of innocent people, high murder rate and bloodshed.
at 10:35 on July 26th, 2009
Hey CameraObscura: I hope you r speaking of yourself in the category of "most Americans." Or r u an illegal who is getting the all the "Health Care" in the U.S. for free. If u don't like it here or the people why don't u just leave?
A single payer system is the only way to go but obviously Obama has abandoned the idea. Oh well, next time I guess. Another four years another president.
at 15:37 on July 26th, 2009
merlingraycat, I was born in the USA. And, no, I do not get health care for free in the US.
So your solution to America being ranked 37th in health care by the World Health Organization, right above Costa Rica, is"Why not just leave?"
Can you please explain, how leaving the country will remedy this broken health care system which has left 50 million uninsured?
at 11:21 on July 26th, 2009
Please keep the comments on this piece on topic and away from the personal.
TheCameraObscura: your assertion about American people's ignorance is inflammatory and unacceptable.
merlinkraycat, it is not acceptable either to accuse another member of being illegally present in a country. This is also inflammatory.
Thank you.
at 15:34 on July 26th, 2009
Americans aren't ignorant? I just being inflammatory? Really?
Most Americans cannot name one of the Supreme Court Justices.
That is ignorance.
50 percent of Americans cannot name one renewable energy source (like wind, solar, or geothermal).
That is ignorance.
Most Americans cannot name the first four Presidents of the US.
That is ignorance.
(Note: I tried to include links to the above examples, but NowPublic.com claimed it was "spam.")
It's disturbing that you are trying to censor the truth about Americans, when the facts clearly support my statement, which is factually correct.
How exactly are FACTS now inflammatory? Please clarify this.
at 15:40 on July 26th, 2009
The spam trigger is automatic by the site, not one single member, not even staff like myself have any control over it, so please don't assume that our Guest Editors do.
at 08:09 on July 27th, 2009
Thanks Amy, I'm aware that it is automatic and part of the software.
at 16:51 on July 29th, 2009
Listen, you imbeciles. The reason we oppose the creation of a national health care plan is because we believe in the principle of liberty and don't want government further interfering in our lives. We feel that no elected official has the right to take our money and give it to someone else, which is what this bill is all about. We understand that the private individual can make better decisions than a bureaucrat.
The record of history clearly shows that whenever government gets involved in any industry that costs increase and the quality of the product decreases( take the soviet made cars for instance). Healthcare, like any product of human labor, must be paid for. No one has the right to what someone else produces. Therefor, no one has a right to healthcare.
You foriegners have no right to tell us Americans that we are ignorant or how we should run our country. Our country is better than yours because we believe in freedom and individual responsibility. You call us ignorant merely because we dare to say that.
at 18:26 on July 29th, 2009
An American, Republican (not verified) "We feel that no elected official has the right to take our money and give it to someone else, which is what this bill is all about."
Then why do you pay taxes at all? Newsflash, every tax dollar is "given to someone else." Do you mind your tax dolloars are given to Exxon, Halliburton, Blackwater, etc...
An American, Republican (not verified) "We understand that the private individual can make better decisions than a bureaucrat."
Umm, bureaucrats don't make decisions in universal healthcare. You're simply parroting Republican spin lines. In private healthcare, however, private insurance companies determine what care you can have, how much medicine, how many pills, etc...
An American, Republican (not verified) "The record of history clearly shows that whenever government gets involved in any industry that costs increase and the quality of the product decreases..."
Actually, the record shows Americans spend more more healthcare than any other industrialized nation and actually get less care. In the 2007 Commonwealthfund.com survey, the US ranked behind those countries with universal health care:
"Compared with five other nations—Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom—the U.S. health care system ranks last or next-to-last on five dimensions of a high performance health system: quality, access, efficiency, equity, and healthy lives. The U.S. is the only country in the study without universal health insurance coverage, partly accounting for its poor performance on access, equity, and health outcomes. The inclusion of physician survey data also shows the U.S. lagging in adoption of information technology and use of nurses to improve care coordination for the chronically ill."
An American, Republican (not verified) "You foreigners have no right to tell us Americans that we are ignorant or how we should run our country."
I am not a "foreigner" and have every right to exercise my freedom of speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment in the US Constitution. And, unlike fascists, I defend the right of any "foreigner" to have freedom of speech.
at 09:33 on July 30th, 2009
Then why do you pay taxes at all? Newsflash, every tax dollar is "given to someone else." Do you mind your tax dolloars are given to Exxon, Halliburton, Blackwater, etc...
-The purpose of taxation is to fund government. That means the essential roles like providing a system of courts, paying elected officials, and providing for military. Tax money should not be used to forward social agendas or to fund entitlement programs that are not available to all tax payers.
Umm, bureaucrats don't make decisions in universal healthcare. You're simply parroting Republican spin lines. In private healthcare, however, private insurance companies determine what care you can have, how much medicine, how many pills, etc...
-Actually the laws of economics dictate that not all wants can be met. When someone else is forking the bill(i.e. taxpayers), no one will restrain their use of healthcare services, because it doesn't cost them anything. This will force the government to enact rationing of those medications and treatments that are especially expensive i.e. bureaucrats will decide what healthcare you will be allowed to recieve.
Actually, the record shows Americans spend more more healthcare than any other industrialized nation and actually get less care. In the 2007 Commonwealthfund.com survey, the US ranked behind those countries with universal health care:...
-Look, I don't know who is in charge of this organization or how they obtain their research, but I could quote hundreds of studies of the healthcare situation in Britain and Canada that would directly contradict these findings. The fact is that if you actually go to these countries and talk to the people, you will find that people are made to wait for weeks, months or even years to recieve the care that they need. And to fund their useless healthcare system, the people are made to pay exorbitantly high taxes.
I am not a "foreigner" and have every right to exercise my freedom of speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment in the US Constitution. And, unlike fascists, I defend the right of any "foreigner" to have freedom of speech.
- Of coarse you have the right to say whatever you want, just like foriegners do.
What I ment is that non-Americans are in no position to criticize us. They already fucked up their country: why should we listen to their critique of our country? Our country was made great precicely because we do things differently than them.
More importantly, though, as an American, how can you support this plan which is so inherently against the principals upon which America was founded: freedom, liberty and individual initiative?
at 13:08 on July 30th, 2009
"The purpose of taxation is to fund government. That means the essential roles like providing a system of courts, paying elected officials, and providing for military. Tax money should not be used to forward social agendas or to fund entitlement programs that are not available to all tax payers."
So this amends your previous objection of tax money going to other people, you don't mind paying taxes as long as it goes to war profiteers such as Blackwater and Halliburton. BTW, do you mind entitlement programs such as special tax cuts for oil companies such as Exxon while they earn record profits?
For the record, universal healthcare IS AVAILABLE to to "all tax payers." That's why it's called "universal." Make sense?
"Actually the laws of economics dictate that not all wants can be met. When someone else is forking the bill(i.e. taxpayers), no one will restrain their use of healthcare services, because it doesn't cost them anything. This will force the government to enact rationing of those medications and treatments that are especially expensive i.e. bureaucrats will decide what healthcare you will be allowed to recieve."
Except, health care isn't a WANT, it is NOT A NEED. The idea that people will not restrain their use of healthcare, if not needed, is absurd. You make Americans sound like out of control children with no sense of logic or direction. I Are you harboring a deep resentment towards Americans? Isn't that anti-American?
"Look, I don't know who is in charge of this organization or how they obtain their research, but I could quote hundreds of studies of the healthcare situation in Britain and Canada that would directly contradict these findings. The fact is that if you actually go to these countries and talk to the people, you will find that people are made to wait for weeks, months or even years to recieve the care that they need. And to fund their useless healthcare system, the people are made to pay exorbitantly high taxes."
You can quote hundreds of studies? Funny, you didn't quote even one. Oh are you going to find minor problems in superior health care systems to justify the 50 millions uninsured in America? That old game?
I have good friends in these countries, one is a cancer survivor in the UK who didn't wait weeks to receive health care, and still doesn't wait weeks for care. If he lived in the US, he would never be able to get insured, wouldn't qualify for medicaid because he is middle class (he's not poverty stricken) and would most certainly die.
More importantly, though, as an American, how can you support this plan which is so inherently against the principals upon which America was founded: freedom, liberty and individual initiative?
Universal healthcare for all Americans doesn't limit anyone's liberty in fact, it frees people from economic slavery and the private insurance companies who decide who lives and who dies, who gets this cancer treatment, but not that one, who gets that pill, but not this one.
Amazing how you want corporate lawyers making healthcare decisions. That bureacracy IS acceptable to you.
Private healthcare only profits when it makes money by denying care to the sick and insuring healthy people (until they get sick).
at 17:15 on August 17th, 2009
All the back stabbing, look at the real fact's Obama and his UPS trucks ,the Post Office has gone broke guy's. There being closed.Who gave those that have jobs the money for the down payment for new cars, the ones that lost there jobs are still out of a job . Now we are taking over the automobile industery,The banks, They robbed Social security years ago. I'm not talking about political party I"M talking about Washington and the politicians. wake up and smell the country going, going.gone. As the founding fathers set it up we had freedom ,and less but not least they were not in our back pocket.Through the years companys have come and gone and all the money we have put into private companys, now all of a sudden . The pork for their vote. which one of us is coming out of the wilderness.