G-20 Obama, Sarkozy and Gordon Brown spoke hard on Iran Nuke

Well, looking at Israel, we have to say the the Israelis live together as Jews and Muslims far better than the Iranians do who belong to different political sects.

As far as it goes, in spite of all the internal problems of Pakistan and India, I judge those countries under their present leadership to be relatively safe from the temptation to use them except in response to an actual nuclear attack.

Iran's leadership denies the Holocaust and talks about Israel in a way that leads me to fear for Israel. Iran's protesters, I trust them more.

Ahmadinejad has been accused of lying to get elected and now the regime has lied about its program.

Obama is now stuck with solving the problem for real. Maybe that is why he did the missile deal: to get Russia's support for sanctions.

If that is true, I compliment him.

Iran's economy is very bad. Sanctions that stopped their importation of gasoline would bring it down.

In fact, Israel could just strike at their docks, loading and unloading facilities, gasoline refineries, and Iran would fall.

I have the feeling that the world has just gotten lucky and that we will solve this problem without violence.

Lorac, if the Supreme Council didn't want Ahmadinejad to deny the Holocaust, then he wouldn't deny the Holocaust.

If doesn't matter if Ahmadinejad is the puppet or the puppeteer. The result is the same.

The powers that be in Iran deny the Holocaust. Enough of them, anyway.

Yes, Pakistan is scary, but that is precisely why we should move against Iran. We don't need another Pakistan and another North Korea.

I don't think even one of you speaks Farsi, and most Westren coverage of Iran is both biased, dated and frequently incorrect. The Persian mind and country is far more complex than you are supposing.

Firstly, the Holocaust denial is not a random statement. It is a internal "tool" to beard the West. They believe the Holcaust was a Christian sin that resulted in Israel being foisted on the Muslims when it had nothing to do with them. The Holocaust isn't even taught widely in Iran, so many do have a hazy knowledge of it at best. However, they watch and read the news. When Ahmadinejad says there was no Holocaust, the Christian nations have to leap up and say yes there was and we did it. They then snigger behind their hands at the Western rush to defend their past sins. it s sort of internal very sick sleight of hand.

Secondly, the people were mainly protesting against the Supreme leader if you can actually read the signs. Ahmadinejad is dismissed as an ignoramus by the educated. What they are mad about is the robbery of the election, and the fact that the Mullahs are constantly manipulating Sharia interpretation so as to serve the governing power's secular interests. The Mullahs are tools to make ruling the Guard wants. The Supreme Leader was a poorly educated cleric accelerated beyond his ability to serve the needs of the Guard. He is a black Turban (direct descendant of Muhammad) is pliable so fits the need.

Next, the Iranians are pissed off about the West and Haq-Khordan - rough translating trampling on there rights. They are a proud people and see telling them and demanding they do things as the ultimate insult. That is why they did their heels in and even the educated who otherwise despise him, applaud Ahmadinejad when he says Iran has the right to have nuclear power if it wants is

Then, they think they gave the Americans a very bloody nose in Iraq, now almost totally a client state of Iran. Iraq and the insurgency is a proxy and they see the US withdrawal as just another victory. A case of Iran's haq being articulated.

Lastly, much of the news supposedly emerging from Iran is managed by Iran itself in some instances, Israel in others and the West as well. Unless you have a direct line in, what you are getting is spin.

 With all due respect even as Iran old hands say, there is no Iran expert at present. Nobody knows all the things going on, but for those saying the Mullahs this and Ahmadinejad that, you are missing the main story. A very secular Revolutionary Guard is in control (@ 70% of which voted for Mousavi BTW). Theocracy - not so much...except for Ahmadinejad who is crazy as a loon and actually thinks the 12th Imam was with him when he spoke to the UN.

It is way more complex than you think or can discern from the MSM.

The trend in Iran, as it has been since the Middle Ages in Europe, is that when women get educated, the society moves forward.

That is what has been happening there.

And, as a society gets educated and moves forward, literalist religion tends to die away.

And, that is happening there as well.

Iran is dying. That is what is happening. The Muslim state is on its last legs.