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Gang Stalking and Cheap Electronic Surveillance
A lot of people speaking out for the gang stalking TI community are pointing to menacing satellite attacks and exotic DEW's. Occam's razor prudently states posit as few assumptions as necessary, and, by implication, the most simple reasonable solution is the best probability guess. Although I've read a lot about DEW's, I've never heard any target state that they saw one, knew what it looked like, and identify the user. Similarly, it is easy to point to scientific literature stating satellites could assault or be used to pick up conversations inside a home, but, the available evidence that this is happening is speculative.
I think legitimate TI's should look at some other, more feasible answers. I believe they will come to some less spectacular reasons enabling their gang stalkers to destroy their health and minds. First, there is a proliferation of cheap invasive electronic surveillance equipment that is a privacy invasion fiasco. There are websites that sell cheap equipment to the public and government that can be highly invasive technical surveillance. A good example is spytechs.com. For under $200 one can buy a surface microphone or "concrete mike" that can be placed anywhere on a building and receive clear audio, some models even having a directional feature. The surface microphone was developed for emergency rescue services and can detect a heartbeat through 20 inch walls of concrete, wood, or metal. There is a good youtube video link for the surface microphone in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKevT9zQczo
The same internet vendors sell a wide variety of miniature A/V surveillance equipment for real cheap. Many invasive products are well under $100. Some disturbing products are miniature GPS that can be stealthily installed to a car's computer allowing for real time internet surveillance! Models that can stop a car dead are available (forget about EMP prototypes that are as big as a tank, we are talking size of a quarter for under $300!). Cheap computer spyware is available that can find whats on your hard drive remotely, and, even track your keystrokes (Don't think for a minute that FBI can't detect it all remotely). For a few dollars more you can get your hands on Tempest technology that was state of the art CIA less than a generation ago.
The bums gang stalking don't have to break the bank to use these items because its all legal with little real-life restraints. Both TI's and privacy advocates should be lobbying to criminalize the sale and possession of this shit.
The politics is easy. There is an obvious media blackout on gang stalking. That is why Harvard Law Professor Jackass Sunstein wants to ban internet conspiracy theories. Even the web was compromised several times. First, Wikipedia blocked a proposed article on gang stalking over vigorous internal dissent (Remnants may still be traceable). A recent Wiki article on "Listening Through Wall Device" is slated to be taken down from Wikipedia- that is the cheap "surface microphone" discussed above. The fact that it is being commercially sold and demonstrated on Youtube cuts against their stated reason of not being properly sourced (maybe they are thinking of the WMD's that did not exist but were thoroughly sourced by every major and minor news outlet back in 03').
Last thought, Amateur "ham" radio. There are several million Americans using ham radio. It is obvious that this local broadband system with worldwide communication capability is being employed by gang stalkers. This is not to smear legitimate users and friendly Elmer teachers. Lets face it, more than cell phone, nextell direct connect and walkie talkies are at play. TI's should learn about and solicit help from good people in the amateur radio community to try to seek and destroy the gang stalking bums.
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Bad Experiment (not verified)at 20:40 on February 11th, 2010
There is a vast amount of solid evidence backing the manufacturing and application of these covert technologies as weapons of torture. It is all hidden in plain sight. These inventions, and their abuses are all indications that man's darkest days are just ahead. The near future will make the cruel inventions and practices of the Inquisition seem like the Industrial Revolution. We have lost all common sense as a civilization. I am convinced that this is part of the evidence of the "Last Days" spoken of in the Bible. To try to look at this as simply a human endeavor is not enough. What is driving man toward such cruelty? There has to be a Satan, no one else could take such pleasure in the invention of evil.
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anonymous comment (not verified)at 09:11 on February 13th, 2010
"TI's should learn about and solicit help from good people in the amateur radio community to try to seek and destroy the gang stalking bums."---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a great idea.
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Bad Experiment (not verified)at 09:45 on February 13th, 2010
Any person that suggests violence in any form is a bigger danger to those targeted by gang stalking than the gang stalkers themselves. Responding with violence of any kind, be it verbal or physical will give the government agencies behind these psychological attacks a reason to destroy your life. Reject all such dangerous propaganda! Remove any thought from violence from your mind . . . remove it from your vocabularly! Your survival depends upon protecting your mental health from self-defeating responses to distress. Focus on positive thoughts, feed your mind on healthy, upbuilding ideas and be determined to do good for others. It will protect both your physical and mental health and strip your attackers of any legitimate reason for the crimes committed against you. badexperiment.com
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anonymous comment (not verified)at 11:12 on February 13th, 2010
"TI's should learn about and solicit help from good people in the amateur radio community to try to seek and destroy the gang stalking bums."---------------------------------------------------------------------------- By destruction, I don't mean that one should physically harm them. I mean that they should be exposed and subsequently disposed of via our legal system. There is no intent to physically harm or incite violence. -----------To "bad experiment": Did you misunderstand?"
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AnotherAnon (not verified)at 13:12 on February 13th, 2010
I am a TI. Gangstalking is definitely flourishing in the USA. For three years I have studied the techniques used by my PERP adversaries. I have a background in electronics and was a former Ameteur Radio license holder. In my opinion, the equipment used by PERPS to destroy a target's life can be improvised OR purchased! It can find its way from (declassified) Military to Federal, Police, Fire and Rescue authorities. From there, it may become quietly available to groups that hate (or are extremely frightened by) people designated as 'undesirable' (sex addicts, drug addicts, pro-abortion, atheists, etc....). If you really want the big picture on GangStalking, wade into this site ThisHiddenEvil.com . Book-2 covers GangStalker tactics, while Book-1 delivers a chilling look at who is pulling the strings and why. If you are targeted, know this. They can only make you angry IF YOU ALLOW IT. They can only defeat your will IF YOU LET THEM. DON'T. Good luck to all the TI's out there. Take heart and hang in. GangStalkers will be stopped and made to pay for their hideous crimes.
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Ray Jaco (not verified)at 05:03 on March 20th, 2010
I would like to know other TI's...I am one, as well !! please email me.. rlforty1@excite.com
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AnotherAnon (not verified)at 13:43 on February 13th, 2010
Oops, sorry, I mis-spelled the website mentioned above. www.thehiddenevil.com also as www.thehiddenevil.com/ TheHiddenEvil tells you of many details of GangStalking not found elsewhere. However, it does not dwell on types of technology used by PERPS. GangStalking is very real! The weapons are real! Many have been around for decades. They use Microwave Voice-To-Skull to place voices directly in your ear canal. Hypersonic Sound can also be used for similar results. Ultrasonic sounds can make (audible sounds) 'appear' at a distance. Combine these simple weapons with thru-wall snooping devices and you have a recipe for severe abuse that leaves no forensic clues. PERPS will bully the target again and again... While I can't say I've SEEN the weapons used, I have YEARS of recorded audio that demonstrates the non-stop 24/7 attacks and HATE these people dish out. My recorder is inside my bedroom next to me as I (try to) sleep. The Microwave Voice-To-Skull (V2K) can be picked up by a common electret microphone. Electrets respond to chqanging electromagnet fields. If the PERP'S V2K is strong enough to wake you from sleep, its strong enough for an electret microphone to pick up (as a faint scratchy voice). Good luck to all TI's out there. Take heart...
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Donaldsat 17:08 on February 13th, 2010
Please Vote to Enforce Existing Stalking Laws at the DOJ Open Ideas. The ideas with the highest ratings get reviewed by top officials at the DOJ.
http://ideascale.com/t/UB3VZFzo
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anonu2 (not verified)at 20:29 on February 14th, 2010
Old news...
"US plans to 'fight the net' revealed"
"Information Operations Roadmap"
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm
at 20:45 on February 14th, 2010
Great link. Little public awareness on this. Really a 21st Century version of "fight the FIRST AMENDMENT."
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Roselime (not verified)at 18:27 on February 21st, 2010
wow anonu2 - This is pretty much what most of my harassment consists of - sophisticated and constant hacking (to the point that I worry about anything i read on the net being a plant since I am router through their servers) and messing with telephone calls to keep me from the support that I need or from assistance from the authorities. In my case, an ex bf is receiving my internet information but certainly the technology involved here is this extreme interference with communications.
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anonu2 (not verified)at 20:38 on February 14th, 2010
This is fun...
Makes fun of the present ignorance.
Are you a terrorist?
quizilla.teennick.com/tests/4833864
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Donaldsat 16:19 on February 16th, 2010
Attorney General Holder Welcomes Judge Susan B. Carbon as Director of Office of Violence Against Women.
"Bringing greater public awareness and strenghening programs to fight sexual and domestic violence, dating violence and stalking is a top priority for the Department."
http://bit.ly/azog1y
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anon comment (not verified)at 16:32 on February 16th, 2010
Donalds - Thanks for posting this link, as well as the DOJ Open Ideas suggestion.
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enough is enough (not verified)at 09:56 on February 19th, 2010
Stand up and Fight.
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anonymous4 (not verified)at 14:44 on February 21st, 2010
I live in CT. I was targeted savagely by multiple stalkers from 2003 until at least Apr. 2009. Initially I was stalked (as far as I know) by one man who could not accept that I didn't want to be with him. He stole my identification, broke into my house routinely, and had a GPS on my car. In addition, he seemed to be able to see me and know what I was doing all of the time, especially when I was at home. Then one day I spoke honestly about this man with a mutual acquaintance to whose home the stalker had access. Within 48 hours I was targeted by a staggering number of strangers whose tactics ranged from the bizarre to the lewd to the physically dangerous. EVERY SINGLE TIME I LEFT MY HOME MY HOUSE WAS ENTERED, DAY OR NIGHT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT I HAD A HOME ALARM INSTALLED AND SET WHEN I LEFT HOME. I was followed everywhere I went, in my car or on foot. (The alarm, by the way, was controlled through the phone line.) My computer was literally under someone else's control (see rootkits), so I attempted to use the computers at the library to get information on gang stalking and the technologies being used against me. Guess what? There would always be a set of perps there w/ cell phones, and within a few minutes on any computer library any web page that might assist me was made unavailable. Sometimes bizarre messages would pop up on a library screen before I was shut out of all sites, such as, "There's nothing for you here. Move along." ---done up in bright colors on the screen. "Or, "You should be careful because someone could know what you're doing." If I wanted to get anywhere on a library computer, I had to hop around from computer to computer and type real fast. That worked. Apparently the perps inside were communicating to someone else, telling the hacker which terminal I was on, and it took the hacker a minute or two to catch up w/ my activity if I moved to a new computer. Yes, it sounds beyond-the-pale impossible, but this really happened to me. And since the San Francisco Public Library computer system was compromised by a rootkit, a natural question would be, "Where else has this kind of thing happened?" My land line and cell phone rang throughout the day and night with calls from strangers who wanted me to understand that I was being messed with---just as the stalkers in the community wanted me to understand that very well. At times my phone calls would be intercepted by perps who would pretend to be whomever I was trying to reach --- for ex., perps pretended to be FedEx employees. Another time a perp claimed to be at an animal hospital. The worst time was when I called a suicide hotline (because of all this shit, and the way it was destroying me) and I got a sick jerk who, it became obvious, was a perp who spoke to me as if I was a "loser" and basically suggested that I should despair. One time I was attempting to verify the identification of a man who claimed to be from FedEx, but who drove a non-FedEx van, and whose i.d. was 20 years old and from another state. I dialled the phone (after bringing his i.d. inside the house and locking the door) and in a second the line went dead. I ended up rejecting the bizarrely labeled package he said he was delivering, because it was all too weird. I called the cops as a routine call and inquired if it was odd that the deliveryman wasn't driving a FedEx vehicle (this was the first week in Nov.) I was told that sometimes they did that. I made it very clear that I did not need/want anything more from the police than an answer to my (routine) question. So what happens? A little while later a really disrespectful cop shows up at my house. He kept asking me questions, and as soon as I opened my mouth to answer (every single time) he would speak, talking over me. He would not allow me to speak, yet would not just go away and leave me in peace. This happened more than once. The police, or people posing as police, appeared to be in on what was going on. When I really did go to the police for help I was not helped at all. In fact, three out of four times I felt like I was getting messed with by the police. In the fourth instance, the cop was initially receptive and helpful, then suddenly stopped returning my (nonhysterical) phone calls. The people who engaged in the stalking were a number of different types. (Going to other states, by the way, did not help at all. I was harassed in NY and in states out west, where my vehicle was broken into repeatedly.) Some of them were leering men from, say, 28-65 years of age. These men acted as though they had seen me in very private or intimate moments. One suggested to me that pictures of me were being circulated via the internet. then there were people in their teens and twenties, some of whom seemed like mean kids, and some of whom seemed like deluded young cop wannabes. Then there were streeet people, and people with developmental disabilities. There were some gang banger types, who stuck out quite a bit around my town. And then there were the All American, Mostly White, Militia-Type Shithead Brigade members, who would drive around with jingoisitic stickers on their vehicles and frequently involve their wives/girlfriends/children in their sick nonsense. (Not to be sexist. Probably in some cases the wives were the primary shitheads.) It was incredibly depressing to see so many children being used to do such an evil thing. The Self Righteous Citizens Brigade members all clearly believed that I was some sort of horrible person, despite the fact that I've done nothing wrong, and have no criminal record. The women, in particular, behaved as if I were the scum of the earth. Somehow, the perps could see inside my house and (I believe) my car. My house was entered many times while I and my husband were home. (My husband had nothing to do w/ the harassment.) Every single thing that I attempted to do was undone. Every single effort I made to take control of the situation and to protect my privacy was blatantly foiled. My home and yard and belongings were steadily trashed. Coins and cigarette butts were left around .The car would routinely be entered and/or marked up when I left it. Sometimes I'd go throught elaborate locking rituals, only to return to the car to find it open.The interior molding was pulled apart. My house was made filthy as soon as I'd clean it. My car radio was tampered with. The house/belongings were constantly smeared with what I think was probably feces, judging from the appearance. My dishes/pots/an open wine bottle were fouled. There was what appeared to be blood or a mix of blood and water sprayed on my walls, repeatedly. My walls , linens , furniture and clothing were constantly marked w/ lacquer/paint/makeup/crayons/ pencils/toothpaste. (I have no children in the house anymore.) My dog was terrified to be left behind at home. (I came home a number of times and found strange dog toys in the house.) He was also threatenend a number of times. Things constantly disappeared and came back to the house. Sometimes they disappeared forever, but mostly not. I'm talking about noticeable things, like a telephone disappearing for a no. of weeks, then appearing in a different room, just sitting on the table. In addition, strange objects would sometimes be left behind in the house. The woodwork in the house was burned w/ a burn tool. The furnace was messed with. I would frequently hear bizarre sounds in the house, which my dog responded to. A few times I heard bizarre sounds including (one time) Satanic chanting, or something that sounded like it , out in the woods--- yet there was nobody where the sound was coming from that I could see. I requested that my doctor put me on an antipsychotic drug, since I belieived I must be losing it. The drugs never changed any of my perceptions. However, I think that being on them probably prevented my truly going insane, so I'm glad that I took them.
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Roselime (not verified)at 18:16 on February 21st, 2010
Anonymous4 - I get hacked at the Miami-Dade Public library - I go on my gmail account and someone else logs in within minutes even when I have a new password. I use the pay phone to make more important calls (I know other calls have been messed with, especially on my cell phone that *no one* seems to dial anymore). The problem is that if I leave a message for someone I might get a call at home from someone pretending to be the person/agency I call. I am staying with my parents and our house phone is on Comcast (as well as the internet) so I bet there are a lot of phone things that they can do. I don't have anything like bizarre sounds going off or anything like that... I don't know what anti-psychotic drugs would do for someone who does not have psychosis and to my understanding those drugs can interfere with a person's functioning but if they work for you that's great. It seems from other OS/EH stories I've heard they actually don't do anything since they are treating a condition that does not exist. Maybe they help calm you down from the anxiety though. I have been using binaural beats to give me a better sense of peace/relaxation and I can't say what I do to get a good nights' sleep since they are reading this.... I have to say that I am very happy that as of July 1, 2010 hands-on cell phone use while driving will be banned in Florida - this will give the perps some trouble I suppose : ).... good luck to you - hopefully your ordeal is over!
at 14:57 on February 21st, 2010
VOTE IN AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT PETITION TO STOP GANG STALKING:
http://opendoj.ideascale.com/a/dtd/21694-7036
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Roselime (not verified)at 17:58 on February 21st, 2010
Peacefrog - I also agree that there are cheaper technologies being used. While my ex/perp pretends that he can hear my every conversation, I believe he has heard us at home when the computers are hacked via remote access using the microphone. Also, at one point he and his bully friends were posting my real life image in a fake Orkut account - including the type of glasses I've been wearing (which he has never seen since I don't normally wear glasses) and sure enough once I found a plastic cap with the name BOSCH on the left side of my windshield on the exterior. I went to a Spy Store near my house to inquire about some of the other surveillance tactics that could be used and found that there are mini gps with audio for the car that can be placed outside the car. (Perp has posted things indicating he heard private conversations in the car - and of course posted something super offensive about something very private my 6 year old said in the car.) They also sell jammers, teeny-tiny wireless pinhole cameras, and all sorts of fascinating things. The owner might have been a perp himself (for various reasons - due to the conversation that we had).He wants to act like he can see/hear us at all times, but I know that it's unlikely he actually does. He has also indicated he can see through my clothes, but I also don't believe that.Other times it appears he has seen us in the backyard but most of the houses in my neighborhood have surveillance cameras so it's possible if they hack into the neighbor's system they can see us there. That's a possibility anyway.In terms of the DEW type things, I found that when I get one of those searing sudden-onset hot-spot headaches that if I walk outside my house I find a strange vehicle either parked outside, or visiting neighbors pretending they are lost. The last time it was a Fed-Ex truck with 2 people - and the guy who was not the driver was not wearing a Fed-Ex uniform. I don't believe that all of this is done through satellites though I believe they must be using something to pinpoint the location of my head or other body parts.I had some vicious attacks at night in the past - one of them a sexual one and another one that left me as though someone had beaten me soundly (and I did feel a puff of air on the back of my head as though someone was hitting my head with a mallet and by morning my head felt swollen and my eyes were practically swollen shut). That was back when I didn't shield and when I didn't know where any of this stuff was coming from and didn't go outside to see if someone was there.The eardrum vibrations and weird tinnitus like sound is stronger in my bedroom than in other parts of the house... and it doesn't start until some point after entering the bedroom, so not being technologically oriented (I'm finishing a doctorate in anthropology). I think that there might be some sort of sound transducer outside. The neighbors had recently painted part of their houses' exterior and it didn't start until after that. I didn't have anything happen in the car until more recently and again I think they put something in the car that can bounce signals. (And I am certain they can get in the car since my interior lights were left on a number of times until the battery finally died - then it stopped. Also I collected some head hairs from inside the vehicle underneath the passenger seat that do not belong to either my daughter or I - can't prove it belongs to a perp though...)I think that it must be rather expensive to run this operation and that perhaps they use the minimal amount of technology that they can get away with. Maybe a higher-level target like an activist gets the real stuff... or perhaps because my case appears to be a "for hire" rather than a government hit they don't have full access to all the technology.In terms of the twitching, I have felt this in a variety of places - house, car, friends' yard, etc. so I don't know how that works, whether it's an aftereffect from the other stuff or whether I'm actually being hit at the moment. I don't look at this guy's postings anymore - and someone must have wised him up that I use his postings to collect evidence since he doesn't post so much now, but I can't go by everything he says - he would always put "camera with night vision," "telescope," bla bla bla as well as blaming this on a 2012 type millenarian group, aliens, "police in helicopters," gangsters (most likely the source), and the last one - "artificial intelligence" (if that were the case, why do they need the street clowns?)The hacking I experience seems much more sophisticated than anything I have encountered and I have proof that I get hacked even at the public library. Right now I am showing an IP from my ISP but localhost in X Netstat Professional shows a different router than the one we have at home. But I guess if someone has a lot of wireless technology know-how and they know where I am they can just as easily get into the computer as my cell phone, house phone (cordless), car (has keyless remote) etc. I just think they use a variety of things, but I totally agree that they don't always use the most sophisticated technologies. I think being able to hack me constantly or intercept my cell phone is extremely dependent on knowing my location and this is part of why they follow me everywhere (apart from wanting to "stress me out" or whatever).I'm a very "new" target so I defer to people who have had more experience with this, but I think that they want us to think that they are always using more incredible equipment when a lot of the time they are using things that private investigators use or that anyone can get at their nearby spy store.
at 18:30 on February 21st, 2010
Thanks for the thoughtful comment. A target from California has started an online petition to use enforcing stalking laws already on the books to shut down these organized stalking groups. What you are experiencing is very programmatic and part of a nationwide group of stalking cells that communicate with each other. This is Domestic Terrorism and prosecutable under Patriot Act Section 802 (as well as the Espionage act and other high sentence felonies in some cases). Please take two minutes to sign up and vote for the proposal to enforce stalking laws against these domestic terrorists. You should also consider having your family sign up and vote. This is an appeal to DOJ on an open ideas official government website. Many people, including yourself, could use this help. Here's the link:
http://opendoj.ideascale.com/a/dtd/21694-7036
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anonymous4 (not verified)at 20:01 on February 22nd, 2010
Roselime -- Thanks for your supportive comments. It's good to be able to exchange information w/ people who understand this crime first hand, although I am terribly sorry that other people are suffering as targets of abuse. As you noted, where there is no psychosis an antipsychotic drug will not change anything in a person's perceptions. What i ended up doing was taking an antipsychotic at a very low dosage so that my overall anxiety level would be held in check. I believe that for me personally (I have a history of anxiety and depression) it was important to do this at the time as a prophylactic measure so that I wouldn't go crazy, literally. Having seen two different individuals do just that after their own unrelieved depression caused psychosis (neither had been willing to take even an antidepressant) I just didn't want to gamble on my own future mental health. After seven years things do seem pretty calm, thank God, although occasionally it appears to me that someone has been in my house and done more petty damage ---possibly the man who submitted my name to the other perps(?) You mentioned that you are new to this experience. I just want to encourage you to hang in there. This crime is being exposed more and more, and with the help of sites like this one I believe that the truth will eventually out. In my own case i eventually became innured to the tactics that they used against me, so that I stopped getting really upset and trying to take back control of my home, etc. And the less of a reaction they got from me, the less they came after me. Peace Frog-- Thanks for the heads up about the petition, and thank you very, very much for bringing us this website. I agree with you completely that much/most of the harassment that the perps inflict can be done using devices that can be purchased very easily from all kinds of sources. I think it would be a tremendous help to TIs to know more about the kinds of equipment that can be used by perpetrators to accomplish their ends. I also think that our stories might not be dismissed so hastily if we could show them how easily this stuff can be obtained. I'm wondering if anyone out there can shed some light on how bizarre sounds might have been produced in my house and out in the woods when there was nobody visible to me. (I'm not dismissing the idea of V2K technology being used, but I'm wondering if there are other possible explanations as well.) My dog reacted to these sounds, too. I'd also love to hear from anyone out there who might be able to provide possible answers to these questions: How were the perpetrators able to enter my house so easily, when I had the locks (deadbolts) changed three times, and I had an alarm set? (There is a phone box across the street and a large junction box around the corner.) How were my phone calls intercepted? Would it be possible for my original stalker to have calls from my line routed through his business phone system at home, perhaps, i.e., as if I were a consenting "satellite office" or something? Any thoughts on how someone else was controlling my computer at home and at the library? Since the house was entered a bunch of times when I was in it, and since things that were hidden were found and taken within the space of an hour on many occasions, I came to believe that I could be seen inside my house. Yet I never found a camera. Roselime, I was interested in what you said about the mini GPS device having the capacity to record sound in the car. Do you know any more specifics on this? I never was able to find the device on my car, but I strongly believe there was one, and that my original stalker tracked my movements all the time because he showed up regularly at all kinds of odd places and times.Good luck and GodBless to all of you.
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mindcon (not verified)at 04:01 on February 23rd, 2010
Dear @Sir, @Madam,PLEASE HELP THE VICTIMS!mindcon.wordpress.com/category/help-the-victims/mindcon.wordpress.com/Thank you! Yours sincerely.
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Blue_ Angelat 07:17 on February 24th, 2010
I did not want this to be my first post - but I looked at the DOJ voting website and they took down the thing about gangstalking! WTF?
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Justin TI (not verified)at 10:39 on February 24th, 2010
You can still see the DOJ Poll here and perhaps comment, but it (and voting?) is locked out of the main ideas que pending moderator approval for reasons unknown: opendoj.ideascale.com/a/dtd/21694-7036 - Justin.
at 11:10 on February 24th, 2010
Someone voted after the moderator review (there is a 57th vote). People should keep trying to vote and post.
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anon post (not verified)at 16:26 on February 24th, 2010
It's still possible to add comments. And it may be possible to vote. We have to be judicious about what we post and what we say. This is a mainstream link -- they don't know OS as many of us know it. If people go too far afield in their comments (which has been the case) -- when people use certain language or say something outrageous -- it's just a fact that some "suit" is going to be offended, and then conclude that OS is only a wild conspiracy and/or not consider the idea one that's worth advancing. I'm not saying that this applies to everyone, but it is true that 'what we say' and 'how we say it' is very important.--------------------------- One person said the following: "It might be said as TI's we cannot expect the public to pee in our ear if our brain is on fire simply out of human compassion for our plight." While this may be strictly true, it's not necessary or helpful on the IdeaScale web site.------------------ We need to get OS out in the open and, like it or not, "words matter." What we might say to each other is not necessarily appropriate for all forums. And as we're now seeing, it might result in having an exisiting portal closed off to us.
at 16:58 on April 9th, 2010
That was me, point well taken but it was hardly the most outrageous thing said there and frankly the whole thread was mile off the intended topic by then so I didn't hold back the chit-chat with other TI's. No big deal.
The reason the thread was a lost cause by then, was that if you look at the purpose of this ideascale/open government project, their intent as they see it is to ultimately improve the DOJ. Not "what do you want us to do to make you people happy" but "give us some ideas on things we can do to make us look like we're making you happy".
The thing was far more self serving on their part than most people realized.
(I don't really think any "suit" is offended by such a colorful metaphor, it's a pretty common saying, not literal at all and denotes how people often won't extend the slightest effort to intercede when others are in dire straights)
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Roselime (not verified)at 09:29 on February 25th, 2010
Hi Anon - I can certainly understand how this would cause depression/anxiety! It's a total nuisance. I went to a nearby store called "Spy Store" - there are several here in Miami, I am sure there must be some in a metropolitan area near where you live. The guy showed me all kinds of things that could be used. I know they can hear me in the car... I've tested this several times and once my perp posted "CD player with GPS" - so I thought maybe the sound system is linked to the GPS they might be using and that's why I inquired. The one the guy showed me works wirelessly, but they also have small recorders that can be placed in the car. That would be tougher because someone would have to go in the car and retrieve it after 170 hours or whatever. Not that they haven't been in my car - most recently they made a cut on my leather seat in a V shape. How they get past alarms etc? I was thinking - everything that is wireless is suspect - remote keyless car entry is wireless, house security cameras, garage openers, house alarms, cordless phones, cell phones, etc. I'm not a person with a lot of technical know-how but even if these systems are secure, if they have a lot of knowledge of wireless and the right tools I suppose they can bypass these things. One time, at the smaller public library not only did car alarms go off (a theme with me - it used to happen whenever I went into a parking lot) but the door kept opening and closing by itself. The librarians were freaked out about it. But if it has some kind of wireless capacity, I suppose the goons might have been the ones doing it. The computer hacking is more sophisticated than what I understand about computers, but I have tested on several occasions to see if I am hacked and I was. Also, there are some programs you can download - I use x-netstat professional, but there are others - that show you the name of your localhost... and since there are two routers that show up and neither one of them is mine... well you get the picture. Also, the internet on my cell phone has been hacked somehow where they can see what sites I go to - I have tested that too. I think they have to know my physical location for that. At the spy store some other guy was talking about cloning SIM cards but I don't know that much about it.I went to see a car alarm specialist about looking for GPS on the car - $45 if they find it, $25 if they don't but when I was in there there were a lot of clown/perp type people entering the store. I don't think it's worth it to try to have it checked out. There are other ways to track people - the most simple of these is RFID tags but I don't know how that works either.These people can always find me, but I think for them to do some of the stuff they do they HAVE to know where I am physically. I get hacked at Borders (by them - I tested that too) but they have to know that I reset my computer and am physically there to do it.With regard to sound, there is something that's been around for years called directed sound. For example, see www.isa.org/Content/ContentGroups/News/20051/July29/Pintos_Point__Directed_sound_beams.htmI don't know what they use for things, and I am sure satellites are involved at some level, but honestly I think that a lot of stuff is done by people on the ground with equipment that is easy to purchase.My perp implies that he can see me in my room. There's always the equipment firefighters use to find people in buildings - using ultrasound - but who knows. There are the things they want us to believe and the things that actually happen. I think sometimes they use the lowest-tech possible stuff and want us to believe it's something more sophisticated in their efforts to make us look unreasonable.
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Anonymously Given (not verified)at 08:14 on March 20th, 2010
I might concur with your assessment asserting that some of the illegal entry and vandalism activities do result in the planting of spy electronics, but I am much more convinced that the bulk of the eavesdropping is accomplished via some broad-stroke means - whereby, at a distance, perhaps a considerable distance, all audio within any building or group of buildings can be picked off in one-fell-swoop. I make this conclusion based on street feedback of conversations held under a plethora of conditions, many of which are (in my opinion) incompatible with discrete (one bug at a time) eavesdropping techniques. What we have in our country today is a form of technologically driven fascism - broad stroke in design - to subdue and control the population ....
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Kate Boyle (not verified)at 11:20 on April 28th, 2010
They can hear in my car also, so I take it upon myself to educate them by listening to lots of speeches by the Dalai Lama, Deepak Chopra, Eckert Tolle, etc. The more enlightened they become, the less they'll want to terrorize other human beings.