Gang Stalking: Conversation with Sheriff Mack

Anon E. Mouse sees himself quite differently than others do.  He thinks that he's a    smart guy and clever wordsmith when, in fact, he's just a bully who works much too hard at trying to sound smart and clever.  He can't see the forest for the trees, and he refers to every anonymous poster as "peacefrog."  Even if he's a target, as he purports to be, his purpose is to disrupt and discredit.

It's been said that "he who laughs last, laughs best and loudest."  And "it ain't over 'til it's over."

The County Sheriff: America's Last Hope       Sheriff Richard Mack............................... "Sheriff Mack's latest book covers decades of research to prove once and for all that the sheriffs in this country are indeed the ultimate law authority in their respective jurisdictions. The sheriff absolutely has the power and responsibility to defend his citizens against all enemies, including those from our own Federal Government.  (from the Richard Mack hyperlink in this article)

     This is the nature of government conspiracy, it's a sort of paradox. COINTELPRO and MKULTRA were examples. Congress and the federal courts had a bad reaction to what was happening when it was revealed in the Church Committee and by FOIA requests by targets like Tom Hayden, Carl Oglesby , etc. It was revealed during the Church Committee that information related to these Programs was compartmentalized/stovepiped to such a degree that even the Attorney General was not informed of the details. Internal dissent was dealt with brutally (Google Jack Ryan FBI).

     The question, as posed by Ward Churchill, who wrote the Cointelpro Papers, is "what do you do when the gang wears blue?"

     IT IS POLICY.

    It is total bullshyte to explain to targets that this highly structured, systematic and systemic gang stalking Program is not policy. You are a FRAUD. The answer lies with Congressional oversight. The whole national policing system is rotten to its core. As far as "persecutory delusions" the same "mental illness" applied to COINTELPRO victims until those abuses were made public.

      I am using the term "psychological warfare" as a conclusion based upon the evidence in the documents I cited related to COINTELPRO.

     Here is how J.Edgar Hoover described COINTELPRO:

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face 
with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”

     If that is not describing psychological warfare then give me a better definition.


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     YOU are quoting him out of context slimebag. I had a conversation with him in which he clarified his email, and added, that he could not believe the media and law enforcement were not giving this issue more attention.

     You are an obvious disinformation agent. Your agenda, clear to anyone with half a brain, is to discredit targets and minimize gang stalking and pretend to be a victim.

“Th[e National Security Agency's capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide. [If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A.] could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.“   ---Frank Church

     With all the hot air coming out of your big mouth, you have yet to read the documented cases of COINTELPRO that are publicly available. If you are not a disinformation agent, then you are truly a FOOL.

Yep, an entire industry could revolve around people on the Emotionally Disturbed Persons List.

 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/threat-assessment-teams-and-gang-stalking

http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/jane-clift-case-highlights/

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6164521-gang-stalking-quick-reference-guide

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/threat-assessment-teams-and-gang-stalking

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I couldn't agree with you more on this issue..Here's what I've seen..

First these sadist assholes are part of, as you rightly suggest, a large number of individuals carrying out a very specific, highly organized, physical as well as psychological program operation against a single individual target. That is part (1) of their strength. Usually only one target at a time involved.

Part (2) is to isolate and create a buffer zone between themselves and the target. To maintain that buffer at all times if possible.

(3) To make their actions so unassuming to others as to make the targeted individual (TI) look crazy for suggesting anything unusual is happening around them. A perfect psychological as well as physical buffer is then created around the target without the public seeing it or being aware of it's existence. This program having been well thought out and implemented through years of practice.

(4) This plays into keeping this operation covert on many levels in psychological as well as physical ways to any general public perception. Thats why when we try to bring this issue into the light, the general public can't see it, and most importantly, can't even believe it exist.

General public perception is another topic actually with all it's own motives_with which American media and the military industrial complex political machine has become experts at manipulating.

Last this operating isn't just these boots on the ground assholes stalking victims. It's some vast operational agency complex from street level up through local community and law enforcement agencies_through state and federal control agencies apparatus/structure.

All the nuances that you, Peacefrog and some others here have brought to light about this operational stalking program in how it works; it's physical as well as psychological factors that drives it means there must be an almost satanic, nazi type cult hidden government structure in place running it. I don't believe many public politicians are even aware of the totality of it's existence. Being told it's some "anti-terrorism surveillance program" as it's cover. Being some secret government agency probably under some DOD/NSA/CIA control.

And it WILL be "over."

Batvette,

     It's so big the FBI MUST be BEHIND IT!

     Do not think for a minute that this case was routed to the judge who handled the biggest organized cases in Brooklyn Federal Court in the past decade by coincidence. I also think, based on the rendition of facts in the opinion, e.g. "185,050 Americans being stalked by teams or groups", that the FBI submitted a secret Declaration under FOIA subsection c exclusions.

http://www.justice.gov/oip/exclusions.htm

The Second Amendment and gun ownership mean NOTHING when the U.S. government, via military contractor Lockheed Martin's operational command and control, can precision-target ANY American citizen under its surveillance blanket with an electromagnetic radio frequency cell tower weapon attack that can instantly impair their vision; inflict pain; cause unbearable ear-ringing head pain; induce symptoms akin to Alzheimer disease; cause instant stroke, aneurysm, heart palpitations or heart attack or even instant death.

Let me repeat:  

GUNS ARE NO DEFENSE AGAINST A GOVERNMENT THAT IS SILENTLY, INVISIBLY, INVADING THE MINDS OF ITS PEOPLE AND IMPAIRING THEIR PHYSICAL AND NEUROLOGICAL FUNCTIONING, TO THE POINT OF DISABLEMENT.

The gun crowd should be lobbying for a ban against this domestic weapon system, camouflaged as "surveillance" and "The National Broadband Initiative."   Read this veteran journalist's report here: 

http://viclivingston.blogspot.com/2011/12/u.html "U.S. Silently Tortures Americans with Cell Tower Microwave Weapon"

Batvette, by his own admission, isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.  Furthermore, NowPublic is replete with examples of batvette's inability to correctly analyze information.  When confronted about his lack of ability, he makes excuses for himself.  This isn't any different. =====  Mack's statement is of a compound nature.  He didn't say (to PeaceFrog), "After watching the two news reports out of Santa Cruz and San Antonio -- and after hearing Lt. Larry Richard's report -- I don't believe what you're telling me."  Rather he used the words "alarming and unbelievable" to describe what he'd seen and read.  He then referred to it as "a law enforcement concern" and said, "I know a very good sheriff candidate for Bexar County Sheriff who should look at this."

But what piqued my interest was this thing about "psychological warfare". I checked wiki's reference and it doesn't support the claims the editor made, so I created a section on it on the talk page before I correct it. All it says was that false media pieces were printed up and and shown to family, friends, landlords, etc. It never said they were "strong armed" or any of that. 

     WOW, you checked Govermentpedia and all you found regarding "psychological warfare" related to COINTELPRO was some "media pieces".
      Try reading the Church Committee Reports. Try reading some books like Many are the Crimes and The COINTELPRO Papers. Try reading some of the FOIA cases like Hayden, Oglesby, King, Ferguson, etc. Too lazy for that, try renting the film United States versus John Lennon. You will learn about psychological warfare buddy.

Yes, batvette, you've got it all figured out. All the victims are victimized "for a reason."  Why?  Because the brilliant Feds say so.  Is there an authority figure or chain of command that you won't suck up to?

“I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”   ---Frank Church

"It wont be long before we're reading about how he's gunned down a bus full of school children or migrant workers." says, Anon E. Mouse.  (And we can all be pretty damn sure who Anon E. Mouse is.)---- First of all, the comment and its suggested implications are despicable. In rereading this thread, it would seem that MKULTRA and COINTELPRO came up in the context of covert government programs.  And those who are knowledgeable about GS know that GS is another covert, government program.  Anon E. Mouse and batvette can work at trying to contain that message, but they're wrong.  And with regard to the alleged volatility of targets,  there is blood on the hands of some of those in government.  One clear example is Jiverly Wong.  (Government/police surveillance and profiling of those deemed to be "unstable" has worked so very well hasn't it?)

www.huffingtonpost.com/shahid-buttar/cointelpro-20_b_664943.html======COINTELPRO 2.0==========Shahid Buttar Shahid Buttar, Civil rights lawyer-----Posted: August 2, 2010----The week before last, The Washington Post concluded a two-year investigation of our government's domestic spying activities, revealing a lack of accountability pervading its far-flung and vast operations. Last Wednesday, FBI Director Robert S. Mueller testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, confirming that the FBI is violating the constitutional rights of Americans en masse -- as it has done before.------- Adding insult to injury, the Bureau now preposterously demands even further powers beyond those dramatically extended by the PATRIOT Act. At a minimum, Congress should emphatically reject demands for FBI access to "electronic communication transactional records," such as email meta-data and browsing history. However, Congress must also go further, by -- as a coalition of nearly 50 peace, environmental, civil rights, and civil liberties groups this week requested -- shining light on the Bureau's violations of constitutional rights, and considering long overdue legislative limits to constrain the FBI. ------- President Eisenhower warned 50 years ago that national security could undermine democracy by subverting popular policy preferences. His warning was prescient. In the 1960s, the FBI pursued a concerted campaign to undermine the civil rights -------movement by criminalizing groups, like the NAACP, pursuing peaceful political activities protected by the First Amendment. ------- This is no conspiracy theory: Congress documented wanton FBI abuses in over 14,000 pages of testimony. According to the Church committee, the FBI's activities then------- would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all of the targets had been involved in violent activity, but COINTELPRO went far beyond that...the Bureau conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights....------- Revelations of the FBI's "COINTELPRO" (counter-intelligence program) prompted a national outrage that forced the Department of Justice to enact limits in 1976 curtailing the Bureau's various abuses. Today, these problems are back. ------- The Attorney General's Guidelines that once constrained the FBI have faced repeated erosion, culminating in revisions in 2008 -- adopted despite congressional objections in the last full month of the Bush administration -- that essentially invite racial and political profiling. ------- The 2008 Mukasey Guidelines hold that race may serve as a factor justifying scrutiny, and even grants individual agents discretion to use intrusive investigatory methods without any evidence suggesting that a crime has been committed. This week, Mueller mistakenly claimed before the Senate that FBI agents must at least have a suspicion of wrongdoing before beginning surveillance -- but later conceded that, in fact, FBI surveillance is not limited even by suspicion. ------- This bears repetition: the FBI currently conducts monitoring and surveillance operations based on neither evidence nor suspicion. Think about that for a moment.------- The Fourth Amendment prohibits "unreasonable searches and seizures" and specifically requires judicially authorized warrants based on "probable cause" that "particularly describe[] the place to be searched." For centuries, courts have interpreted the Fourth Amendment to require individualized suspicion for searches. Mueller's testimony confirms that no requirement for suspicion at all (not even suspicion impermissibly based on association or race) currently constrains agents from monitoring law-abiding Americans. ------- The Bureau has engaged in political spying for nearly a decade, infiltrating peaceful activist groups and suppressing dissent in the name of disingenuous national security. Nor has the Bureau carefully limited its targets: "[f]aith institutions, activist groups advocating for causes as varied as pro-life and pro-choice stances on reproductive rights, environmental causes...and animal rights have all been affected."------- Worse yet, the Bureau's standard for undercover activities is known neither by the public nor Congress. I wrote a FOIA request that led to the FBI's disclosure of part of its policy, but the section on undercover infiltration remains secret. Intelligence agencies may justifiably pursue clandestine activities, but should not operate according to secret rules--at least not in countries that claim to lead the free world.------- What little transparency we have confirms fears of abuse. In at least three separate reports (in 2007, 2008 and 2010) over the last four years, the Justice Department's Inspector General has documented rampant abuse of powers that the FBI received through the PATRIOT Act--as well as further abuse of entirely new powers invented by the FBI with the support of the Obama administration.------- The Bureau has received a free pass long enough. As a civil rights coalition argued to the Senate this week, "Congress should not grant the FBI guidelines artificial legitimacy, nor should the Bureau be afforded credibility that it has not only failed to earn, but actively undermined....As a repeat offender, the Bureau is long overdue for intervention by Congress." New powers demanded by the FBI should be denied, and as recently demanded by the Chair of the House Judiciary Committee, the Bureau's leadership should be replaced.  -----  (Shahid Buttar, executive director, leads the Bill of Rights Defense Committee and the People’s Campaign for the Constitution (PCC) in our efforts to defend civil liberties, constitutional rights, and rule of law principles threatened in the United States by law enforcement and intelligence agencies.)

You vilify yourself, batvette.  You don't need a bit of help.

     I do not talk about personal victimization, I focus on the Program affecting countless thousands of Americans. About a million criminals have been put in a Program by the government, both snitches, and, the dim and unwitting. This Program is being used to grease the rails for the prosecution of high level government targets like organized crime, who the government will say are "co-conspirators" in the civil rights conspiracy against targets. The nationwide Program is so large it rivals the federal Probation Program, and is bigger than the Penal system in many states. The targets and targeted families are nothing more than pawns (myself included).

The more people driven to crime (with illicit drugs and GS), the more excuses for Corporate Fascism to make a buck, expand their secret police tactics, tighten their control on the sheeple.

Yep, an entire industry could revolve around people on the Emotionally Disturbed Persons List.

But first you need some people on the list.

A good way to do that would be to have the ground troops gaslight and gangstalk selected targets until the targets acquiesce to being emotionally disturbed.

I think most mentally healthy people could be made to acquiesce in this way, don't you?

If you're saying none of that stuff is going on, you're either stupid or in denial.

And, as "Anon E Mouse" said - anyone who complains about it is already in the sights of their local LEOs. Because it won't be long before they "gunned down a bus full of school children or migrant workers."

So, no problems at all here. Sorry about my crazy complaints about "gaslighting and gangstalking", and my nervous breakdown over some imaginary, non-existent "program".

Mums the word.

Yep.  batvette = sometarget = Anon E Mouse.   The old IP address gives it away every time.  (And batvette complains about sockpuppetry!)

A shill. You're nothing but a shill, mouse-boy.

There's NOTHING, NOTHING more immoral than State Terror aka the Gangstalking & Torture & Surveillance Natinwide Network run by NSA/DHS. The Federal Badged Criminals evade due process and spit on the Bill of Rights and US Constitution to: harass American citizsens, stalk them, steal from them, slander them, murder them, cause social mayhem, racial disturbance, etc. The Gangstalkers and their Federal, State and Local Secret Police Managers are the real criminals. Whatever the victims may or may not have done, it's small potatoes compared to trashing and betraying the vaues of Our Once Great Nation.

re: "Whatever the victims may or may not have done"

If you believe that gangstalking is a response to something the victims may have done, or has something to do with punishing immoral behavior - think again.

It's clearly about command and control, and cleverly crushing whatever threat the Gangstalking & Torture & Surveillance Nationwide Network might perceive a victim to be.