Gang Stalking Lists

by gangstalking | March 3, 2010 at 06:30 am
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The List


How do you get placed on a list?

There are a few ways.

*Someone reports you as a drug dealer, terrorist, pedophile, crazy. They report an incident. A community investigation is opened.

In a normal society this should go on for a few months and be over with, but in the case of Jiverly Wong, this went on for close to 20 years, and in the lives of many others it goes on for years as well, never ending, and it's used to harass an innocent person.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Media/2009/04/jiverly-wong/


*The workplace. Someone reports a violent incident. You create a harassment complaint, they decide that you are just delusional and decide that you might go violent. A report is filed.

I should add that based on what I have come across in the research, it seems as if workplaces and educational facilities are routinely using this as a retaliatory method. They use it to target people who file complaints. Most workers have no idea that such lists exist.


http://gangstalkingworld.com/Media/2007/03/leuren-moret/


[quote]My great-est gift was the discovery of my inner strength to be able to survive the retaliation, mobbing and harassment by the Livermore Lab, the University of California and the Oakland police department.[/quote]

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I learned that more than 500 women and minorities had filed lawsuits against the University of California and had then experienced retaliation by the University of California apparatus of mobbing by employees, alumni and law enforcement.1The lawsuits were for denial of tenure, whistleblower retaliation and theft of intel-lectual property. These women had similar complaints about the destruction of their own lives and careers. The information gathered by the University of California is used to takeyour life apart; to destroy all that makes you feel safe; to bankrupt, isolate and alienate you from society and from yourself; and to attempt to make you look crazy.
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http://www.harassment101.com/Article5.html


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Crosty and Murtagh don't know each other. It is unlikely their worlds would ever intersect, but they have at least one thing in common. They both are victims of an increasingly popular employer weapon against whistleblowers: the psychiatric reprisal.

Across the United States, companies have seized upon concerns about workplace violence to quash dissent. Hundreds of large corporations have hired psychiatrists and psychologists as consultants to advise them on how to weed out "threatening" employees. They say they are only responding to a 1970 directive from the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration that they maintain a "safe and secure work environment." But by drawing the definition of "threatening" as broadly as possible, they are giving themselves a new club to bang over the heads of workers.
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This is not just happening in American workplaces either.



*Universities are also reporting people, and filing reports.

In the workplace and universities, from what I have seen quite a few outspoken females are getting targeted. Minorities, and other single individuals. Men that are smart outspoken, and ofcourse the whistle-blowers. Many I  assume who are not aware of the system that is currently in place. If this is the case could informants be specifically targeting non informants for harassment, or using this program specifically to weed out from the universities, and workplaces, the outspoken, radicals, whistle-blowers, non compliant?

From previous research I know that colleges and universities have been infiltrated with these types of agents, along with the normal citizen informants. Could some be working an alternative agenda? 


http://www.spying101.com/
 
 
[quote]Spying 101: The RCMP's Secret Activities at Canadian Universities, 1917-1997
 
If you attended a Canadian university in the past eighty years, it's possible that, unbeknownst to you, Canadian security agents were surveying you, your fellow students, and your professors for 'subversive' tendencies and behaviour. Since the end of the First World War, members of the RCMP have infiltrated the campuses of Canada's universities and colleges to spy, meet informants, gather information, and on occasion, to attend classes. Why they were there is the subject of a new book by Steve Hewitt.[/quote]



A lot of the targeting starts with mobbing, harassment, the target tries to file a complaint, get's targeted more. Maybe they say something, lash out, or just seem angry due to the mobbing. This system is being used unfairly, just like we saw with some zero tolerance programs, that were used to specifically target minority children.


http://www.peoplesvoice.ca/articleprint12/02_BLACK-FOCUSED_SCHOOL_GOES_AHEAD_IN_TORONTO.html

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/201456


[quote]While critics are holding their applause until they see the changes, the move is being hailed by some who say the Safe Schools Act unfairly targets black youth and drives them into gangs.[/quote]


Most of the targets seem to come from these three areas. Workplace, Educational outlets, and the community.

In Canada and the U.S. they have workplace safety and standards guidelines that are similar to what is in place in the U.K. Similar reporting systems to what the U.K. has in place. 


As we saw in the Jane Clift case, once on a list, your name pops up if you call the police, ambulance, doctors, ect. Employers, Landlords and a variety of others are given similar information about you.

In the U.K. this marker can be something that the victim is make aware of, but in other instances they are not.

In the U.K. this is being abused. Jane Clift being one example.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195399/Woman-branded-potentially-violent-council-complaining-damaged-flowerbed.html


[quote]Mrs Clift added: 'What is terrifying is that there is almost no proof required and no hearing to determine the truth of the allegation. It could happen to anybody who gets into even the most minor disagreement with their council.'

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193210/Woman-sues-libel-council-labelled-potentially-violent-complaining-vandalised-flowerbed.html

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She said that after the council acted, she sensed that everywhere she went, there was ‘whispering, collaboration, people scurrying about’.

‘One time I went to the contraceptive clinic and I felt that there were way too many people hovering about for me than should have been there, making me feel very insecure.

‘It did serve as a reminder that everywhere I went – hospitals, GPs, libraries – anywhere at all, even if I phoned the fire service, as soon as my name went on to that system, it flagged up ‘violent person marker, only to be seen in twos, medium risk’.’
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Canada and the U.S. have similar lists, that employers, schools must report.

Most communities as shown before have networks of informants. These informant networks are working with other community programs.

 http://www.albionmonitor.com/9711b/policing.html

"Ruling the community with an iron fist. “Savvy law enforcement types realized that under the community policing rubric, cops, community groups, local companies, private foundations, citizen informants and federal agencies could form alliances without causing public outcry.” Covert Action Quarterly, summer 1997.”



blog.aclu.org/2009/04/30/mass-con-fusion/#more-5320

"You mean to tell me that it is legal for corporations from the private sector to team up with local law enforcement officials in efforts to spy on innocent members of our society? You also mean to tell me that the synthesis of law enforcement authority and the drive of for-profit companies operate under little to no guidelines or restrictions and it is unclear to whom they are responsible to?"


In addition to these newly formed alliances, as the ACLU has pointed out, they are opening spying on innocent members of our society. 


Informants due to various police initiatives are in every community.

So these networks operate and are in place, using the one handed sign language. The informants then feel empowered, they patrol the neighbourhoods, and other areas. Since these networks are already in place, it is therefore not necessary to hire hundreds of people to follow one person, they just go about their regular patrols, and once a target enters their place of employment, business, community, or other location, the citizens are place on alert.

To the target it seems as if hundreds of people have been hired to follow just them, but the reality is, this informant network is and has been in place, and once you are on the radar, they just shift attention to you.


Eg. In Stasi Germany a large part of the state was devoted to spying, if the state added one more target, they did not need to hire hundreds of people, the network is already in place.

This can be done with phone calls, I have seen this happen, the community you are in is alerted that a pedophile, mentally disturbed person, drug dealer is in their area. They get phone calls as you pass through the area, thus some will go stand out on the porch to be visual look out, report back what you are doing. 

The foot patrols alert the business, thus why we are followed into stores, they use the one handed sign language, maybe stay to see if there is an incident they can make themselves useful for and report. In other cases, they are around to create an incident, and report that.

Keep in mind that the very concept of being monitored and under this kind of surveillance 24/7 is enough to make any sane person act out. Add to this that the informants are told to circle you, sit near to you, follow you, and they don't try to do it very subtly, a target is bound to notice.

Somewhere along the lines our societies were taken over. We helped. Without firing a bullet, or invasion, these countries have become what East Germany and other countries were.


The gaslighting of targets is illegal. Yet in WWII we saw a government create over 500 ways to mess with Nazi sympathisers. Similar tactics were used under VIK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/aug/19/military.secondworldwar
 

[quote]BSC invented a game called "Vik", described as "a fascinating new pastime for lovers of democracy". Printed booklets described up to 500 ways of harassing and annoying Nazi sympathisers. Players of Vik were encouraged to ring up their targets at all hours of the night and hang up. Dead rats could be put in water tanks, air could be let out of the subject's car tyres, anonymous deliveries could be made to his house and so on.[/quote]

If they had a game that consisted of 500 ways to harass and annoy, people then, what do you think they have now. Remember this game was invented by a UK government branch, to be used against innocent Americans.

The police, firefighters, community members are all in on it. Just like Nazi Germany, they have this false sense of community, that they are doing something good. Yeah we got that crazy drug dealer out of town. We protected our community. In reality you drove someone like Jiverly Wong to the point that the was capable of mass murdering lot's of people. Yeah you, don't you feel good about yourselves?


These programs are not all bad, back in the day, that is what you did. If a pedophile was in town, you took some community action to get rid of the pervert, and never gave it a second thought you were protect yours, and that was that.

It's a not in my back yard mentality. Even if you move you are still flagged, so the same thing starts again. If each area is set up like this, which many are due to community Policing, and agenda 21, then we will see more of this in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

http://www.nikiraapana.com/community_activism.html

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What is alternative community activism?

When I first started going to my American neighborhood "meetings" I was a complete novice in Soviet style bureaucracy. I was confused and unsure about what was going on. I began by asking simple questions about the terms the leaders were using to descibe their "vision." This opened Pandora's Box, literally, because much to my suprise and dismay, my Seattle government representatives did not know what their terms meant either!

I was absolutely floored to find out somebody, somewhere had come up with this bizarre idea that a few of my neighbors should partner with the Pentagon, the KGB and the Mossad, and together they would form neighborhood policing "task teams." These new neighborhood committees, led by "new" Community Policing Officers trained in communitarianism, were empowered to rewrite Seattle Municipal Code. They claimed revisions to the law were necessary to "balance" our constitutional rights against the "health and safety" of the community. Yet, these "experts" couldn't tell me the definition for any of their terms, and couldn't tell me where these new ideas had originated. It took me a year of intensive research to find their source: Dr. Amitai Etzioni.
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Though this might be still happening in some cases, the targets I come across are innocent. The lack of oversight of these programs, means that it's being used to destroy innocent lives. The citizen informants never give it a second thought. Many never see the dirty under handed, smoke and mirrors used to set up targets to make them look crazy, like drug dealers, or pedophiles. They just unquestioningly believe what they are told.

I come across a lot of Woman that are single where this is being used to shut them up, rape them in other cases, and drive them to suicide or mental institutions in other.

I hear cases of abusive ex's that got someone targeted. If you know how the system works you can manipulate it.

I come across minorities, who feel this is being used to target them. Lot's of minority men and women.

I also come across whistle blowers. This is being used to target them.

The staged incidents and gaslighting are illegal, but since it's crazies, pedophiles, drug dealers, who is going to believe them? The moment you call the cops too often, they also flag people. So it feels like you against the world literally. You know you are being harassed and followed, but most lawyers will not help, just like when McCarthyism was happening. The ACLU will not help. These programs do have a specific degree of secrecy, but not so that they outweigh the rule of law and justice.

Again this system is being used across the board, so I have come across people with extreme views, conspiracy views,  where this was used. Anyone outspoken, who is not following the status quo, this can be used against. Just like it was in Russia.

I think legal is the best way to go.

Use the U.K. example, find a lawyer who will confirm that there is such a list in your area, and then try to find the procedure if you are on such a list for getting off. The woman in the U.K. spent four years, clearing her name, and that was with proof that she was on a list. Most don't have such proof.

Remember each area does it's own thing, each person feels individually empowered to monitor the target the way they see fit. In many cases this includes electronic monitoring/harassment.

In addition to that, these people try to play James Bond, and in addition to innocent citizens who are just trying to do a good job, and protect their communities from being taken over by bad elements, you also have complete morons, and psychopaths in others cases, who are given access to innocent individuals who in most cases have no idea what is going on.

Pushing for legislation that makes it mandatory to alert people that they are on such lists might help in some cases. This is close enough, that legally we should be looking into this channel.

Remember the ACLU has confirmed investigations of innocent individuals are happening. In the U.K. they have exposed how the anti-terror laws are being abused, to include full investigation of individuals.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/henryporter/2010/feb/01/ripa-act-surveillance-authorities


[quote]A freedom of information request by the Lancashire Evening Post has found that applications made by Lancashire county council under Ripa laws targeted cleaners who failed to show up for work and a care assistant who claimed too much on travel expenses. "A person in Chorley thought to be selling counterfeit goods via eBay, people pursuing false personal injury claims, and a retailer selling furniture not up to fire safety standards were among those investigated using powers granted under the act," the paper reported.

In last year's annual report, the surveillance commissioner, Sir Christopher Rose, raised concerns about direct surveillance such as the bugging of public places, taking photographs of suspects and the use of covert human intelligence such as informants and undercover agents. Of course this has always been part of police investigation into serious crime, but it is frightening to see these tactics routinely deployed in trivial circumstances.

His fears came to mind when I read a quote in the LEP from Jim Potts, a trading standards officer, who said: "We have simply recorded that a member of staff has seen another member of staff do something at work, in the way that managers can and do every day." How easily that trips from Potts's lips, but what of course he is unwittingly justifying is the informant society. In Staffordshire a FoI request made of the police by the Express and Star newspaper found that terror laws were being used to monitor drug dealers, people suspected of sex crimes, burglars and thieves. In 10 cases police tracked people suspected of minor public order offences.[/quote]

Many of our citizen informants that we encounter on the road, just think they are part of some great powerful network keeping dangerous people at bay. Then there are those who know the real game, those who set up targets. Also just like Germany, you have informants who bait targets, so they can act out. If they do it's another marker, or jail, or a mental hospital, maybe even death. Remember the more crazy people, drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists, the more funding, the bigger the network.

Employees and others have been using this practice for years, to destroy lives. Woman, minorities, whistle-blowers seem to be prime targets, but it's not limited to them. If you read Leuren Mowet's story, she knew 500 people, who had similar investigations opened on them, which was used to systemically destroy their lives.

If you look at the article make a stink see a shrink you will see that psychiatric reprisals is being heavily used in democratic countries.

If you visit the site Psychologist Ethics, you will see that psychiatrists were even willing to try to have one of their own declared as crazy, just because she blew the whistle.

http://www.PsychologistEthics.net
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205028541


[quote]MORE ABOUT POLITICAL PSYCHOLOGY § ^
When one imagines using mental health professionals to target undesirable individuals, one almost always thinks of totalitarian governments such as the former USSR, China, and Cuba. There is a long and ugly precedent of using mental health professionals in those societies to target politically undesirable people and have them placed in mental institutions involuntarily. Human rights groups refer to this practice as "political psychiatry."

Victims of political psychiatry are usually people who have filed grievances or complaints against employers or officials, or are union organizers, people who have publicly criticized officials, members of minority religions, and whistle-blowers.[/quote]


But this is now happening in democratic countries.

[quote]CASES OF POLITICAL PSYCHOLOGY § ^
Southern Illinois University and the American Psychological Association (APA)

A Canadian Police Department and the Canadian College of Psychologists

Lisa Blakemore-Brown and the British Psychological Society (BPS) [/quote]



[quote]In this case, the psychologist made an unsubstantiated assessment of the faculty member based solely on what the faculty member's "enemies" had said about her. The psychologist made no effort to verify any of the rumors she had heard and instead wrote them as fact in her reports and made recommendations based on them. As part of the counseling and conflict resolution process, the psychologist also carried on e-mail communication with the faculty member but forwarded this communication to the university's administration without the faculty member's knowledge or permission. The psychologist never told the faculty member that there would be any limits to confidentiality nor did she tell her what process she would be following or that she would be writing reports to the administration. Obviously, if there had been any legitimacy to the psychologist's conclusions and report, the matter would have been handled privately and compassionately by the university's human resources staff.[/quote]


http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/2007/01/lisa-blakemore-brown-colleagues-weigh.html

In the case of Lisa Blakemore-Brown the damage could have been far worst had not some bloggers picked up on what was happening.


[quote]Dr Rita Pal has weighed-in on the scandal of Lisa Blakemore Brown and the British Psychological Society (backstory here and here). Dr Pal has become an expert on the bullying of individuals by professional regulatory bodies through the abuse of mental health diagnosis after she was subjected to a campaign of intimidation by the General Medical Council [Link to court judgment]. The concerns that Dr Pal raised that led to her abuse (about patient maltreatment in a Midlands hospital - Link) have not to this date been properly addressed. She subsequently brought proceedings against the GMC, leading to a landmark judgment in which the GMC was described as a totalitarian regime by Judge Charles Harris - "Anybody who criticises it is said to be prima facie mentally ill - what used to happen in Russia".[/quote]


The system is now routinely being used to destroy enemies of the state, people with views and opinions that the state does not like and the destruction of these innocent lives are being done with the help in many cases of other unwitting citizens.


Years of research have been spent trying to expose these systemic misconducts. Others have noticed them in their areas of research, some noting that the best and brightest are beint targeted, and still nothing gets done.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205738832/0


I still believe that awareness and exposure are still key, in getting what is happening exposed. I do think when targets can afford to do so they should see legal help, but in order to do so, they have to have an idea of what is being used against them.

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Justin TI

Very strong research here, thank you. Have you read the Canadian Account of reported "Van Torture" reported at: www.rabble.ca/babble/national-news/torture-canada-yes  Thank you, - Justin TI.

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Mark Veil

If you have heard of the following, please comment:

--a person having his premises entered illegally every day when he is out and every night while he is asleep

--he has his locks changed twice with top quality locks, but it seems that the keys were provided to criminals

--fumigation of his home, his bedding, clothing

--tampering with his food

--his clothing is stollen and retaylored so that it looks unsightly

--his new property is routinely vandalized

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Roselime

I'm a target myself - I had some pesticide company creeps spray pesticide all over the sidewalk when I was inside the Police Compliance building then one sprayed my face as I was walking to the car.  Nothing is beneath them.

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roselime

In my case I think that there have been many tricks to make me believe that I was put on the list for one reason or another, but on closer inspection, there were organized stalking incidents before each of these supposed "reasons."  I think that part of this tactic is to get us to blame the wrong institution/foundation/agency for our problem.  As well, it is a way to get us to waste time figuring out how or why we were on a list.  For every instance that I can think that I could have angered someone in power, there are many other people I can think of that would have angered them more.  What it boils down to is that this is a serious crime and violation of the persons civil rights and that we live in a society that is sometimes complict with these crimes - whether members were coerced, sadistic, power-mongers, feeble-minded or simply immoral.    I totally respect your posts, but I think that it doesn't matter if I had once been a whistleblower or if I had filed a complaint to a university, or if I am a female minority.  That's not why I was chosen.  Those are excuses for us to have to review our lives to determine who could possibly be sick enough to get on the "list" and to waste our time solving "enigmas" that will never be solved.  While, in retrospect, I can *easily* point to many who have been involved and to why they might have been involved, I think that the ones who are really behind it are clever enough not to have any kind of evidence pointing to them.  In my case, as soon as they find out I have a piece of evidence even for the local activities they quickly run and try to cover that up or they stop activities that I use for evidence.  The persons behind this are true cowards - to hurt innocent men, women and children and to keep them from being able to access the very resources they need for protection in a democratic society - these are signs of the greatest imaginable cowardice.  And like most cowards they are probably completely shrouding their involvement and letting us blame every person who might have done this to us in an effort to further conceal themselves.   What matters is that we live in a society of indifference, where those who know but do nothing to help us are thinking, "better her than me," where the ultimate hypocrisy of human beings and of democracy should be exposed for what they are, and where persons with the power to initiate this or carry it out lack any positive value or contribution to society (despite whatever lies they feed themselves).  I have yet to see a situation where the maiming or destruction of innocent people has led to a greater good.  And since it is done to citizens by other citizens it constitutes a form of cannibalism.  This is about the corruptability of certain segments of society and the corruptability of individuals who live out this hypocrisy with every innocent target that they harass or refuse to help.

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gang-stalking

Hi Roslime, Knowing that you might be on a list similar to the Violent Persons Registry, does not waste time, it streamlines the process, because then you know where to look, which organizations to contact, what to tell the lawyer, when you do activism, you know what to refer to, it changes everything. No more wasted F.O.I.A. requests, now you can make them count. No more wasted time with a lawyer, now you can say, look the U.K. has this list, this is what happens, in my country it might be under health and safety, what are my rights, etc. It changes the scope of the game.

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gang-stalking

www.wcb.pe.ca/photos/original/wcb_wpviolence.pdf The Canadian Center of Occupational Health and Safety Quote:(2) Unless otherwise prohibited by law, the duty to inform workers under subsection (1) includes a duty to provide information related to the risk of violence from persons who have a history of violent behavior and who may be encountered by a worker in the course of his or her work. Quote:Workers have the ’ right to know ‘ all risks and safe work procedures associated with the job. This may involve identifying individuals with a history of unpredictable or violent behavior. Quote:The identity of the person and the nature of the risk must be given to staff likely to come into contact with that person. While workers have the right to know the risks, it is important to remember that this information cannot be indiscriminately distributed.

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roselime

Hi gang-stalking - Here we do have the terror watch list - I don't know much about that... but I have never done anything that would be considered "terrorism" (though I have traveled to certain sensitive areas) nor would anyone that knows me believe that I could be on anything like a violent persons list.  I don't want to become a disinformation agent by accident, since I am still figuring out a lot of this... but I do believe we are on some kind of list!  Due to the extreme nature of the crimes committed against us (unfortunately I get EH too), I doubt that we are going to get any  transparency about that list. (paragraph) Regarding that part about figuring out the who and why we ended up in this situation - I look back now and can see "triggers" that then led to harassment.  In other words, I have had to relive this a few times.  They tried to use some kind of trigger - set me up in a situation where a person of power was inappropriately angry for example, or confronting someone/turning them in for committing a horrible crime, going above a corrupt administrator's head to have a problem corrected etc - then a host of "bad luck" events would begin.  These have never been overt enough for me to link them into some sort of conspiracy.  All it would have done anyway is for me to blame the wrong person for the *origin* of my problem - I was on the list before I was set up.  This triggering has happened several times in my life until they used this guy in Brazil (and who knows who he really even is) as a stalker who threatened to submit my name to a harassment list (that now I see CLEARLY I was already on).  This way I do everything to go after the Brazilian and appear to discredit myself the moment I say - wait a minute - I already had this problem before I met him.  (paragraph) In my case the blame for the clown problem as I like to call it fell on a Brazilian that I met online and later in person.  Supposedly it was him who was posting things threatening to have me turned into one of the harassment groups.  At one point I was obsessively collecting clues that said "brazilian" perp was posting.  Some of them were stalker things - references to what I was wearing that day, conversations I had with my daughter in the car, very personal and disturbing things (I have a mental firewall that doesn't let those affect me).  Later he posted death threats, threats to have someone enter our home, etc.  Many postings were what I consider fake - 2012 doomsday millenarian cult, aliens, etc.  And perhaps he was also falsely blaming who was behind my persecution.  But one of the clues referred to an "enemy" of mine and their personal circumstances - someone that the Brazilian I met would not know about, something that was not in any of my computers or emails, something that I only learned about in a conversation in 2004 - long before I met the Brazilian.  This indicates that the poster was not the Brazilian but some kind of handler or whatever they call those freaks. So at least in my case there is a pattern of trigger then harassment - happening several times in my life and eventually reaching the point that the trigger/harassment (via the supposed Brazilian perp) was impossible to ignore or that it was impossible *not* to see it as part of a conspiracy. (paragraph) If someone knows a lot about me, they would know that while I don't have delusions of grandeur, there are some unique historical circumstances that might point out to who is behind this.  But I won't assume anything until I know for sure.  All I know is that I am an innocent person and that everyone - perps, government, friends, family, colleagues, even enemies - knows that.      

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Anonymously Given

I think that the people who complain about GS/OS harassment have one thing especially in common - they are all more sensitive to things ... and to life in general - than other people.  Perhaps they should marry each other.  They have other things in common, but the sensitivity thing is key - and some targets are likely slated for GS/OS torment exclusively by reason of their heightened sensitivity - even before they are entrained with psyche triggers.  In order to keep the "pumps primed", the "troops", or "program members" need to practice - and they would all soon lose interest in practicing on people who do not react. 

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Roselime

I had an idea.  Maybe I'll try to get myself sufficiently organized to write a news story here.  I thought that maybe some of the people who are more active in denouncing this crime could be in charge of a kind of database of victim complaints.  I know that some sites log complaints, but there might be a different way to go about this.  For example - I tend to go into lengthy detailed narratives about the abuse but this is not useful when collecting information for the type of harassment we receive.  The database could have options for each category such as "mail tampering/mail service interruption," "road harassment and tailgating," etc.  A group of active TIs could help come up with the lists.  Those with more experience speaking with TIs could come up with the more common complaints.  I think that also although most of us are apparent "nobodies," I have had connections in one way or another to certain agencies, foundations, institutions, and even defense contractors.  I am sure this must be the same for some of the other TIs... perhaps we can find commonalities turn the surveillance around from us to them.  Also, there are certain companies that have had connections to this - perhaps through strange interactions with them (for example certain phone companies)... there could be an area where we could list this.  I think that it would be good too to list electronic harassment symptoms as well as experiences with it.  This could be done in a way that does not refer to our beliefs about the origins of the harassment.  For example, one could say sudden onset headache directed at one small area of my head versus the neighbors pointed a ray gun at me with through the wall technology.  (I'm not really accusing my neighbors, it's just an example.)  In this way, we maintain ourselves believable and let the more science-oriented persons in the TI groups deal with the origins.  It would be good too to name corporations (that we have some personal connection to - not those that we simply suspect) but to leave out individuals' names.  Sometimes the perps might play games with that.  As well, we don't want to set ourselves up for libel.  Also, I for one am not really sure when my harassment started.  There have been weird incidents and pranks for years.  The only times I experienced concurrent and extremely covert harassment came in fall 2006-spring 2007 but I didn't know this existed and thought it was weird pranksters and more recently in 2009 when it was supposedly through a Brazilian obsessed stalker - but clearly was a way for me to know that the earlier harassment was deliberate.  It was only then that I saw that earlier bizarre events that sometimes came in small clusters were part of this organized stalking problem.  We could include timelines or some way to gauge general patterns for the harassment across individuals' stories.  I don't experience as much of the road clowning right now or the outright surveillance - either they are being more careful or they are bored by my own apathy toward them... but I do have an EH problem that is ongoing - (no v2k - just weird ear vibrations, the tinnitus and occasional twitching, though I have experienced horrible zapping before)... this is in part why I think that EH should be included - if the OS completely stopped and the EH continues I would still have a big problem.  I'll see if I can get enough material together to post something for this and see if there might be volunteers that handle that database.  I have limited internet access and I get hacked all the time so it would not be possible for me to handle this.  (The latest snappy trick was for them to connect my computer at home to the internet *without my consent* - I had the adapters disabled!  I kept the firewall log though.  And yesterday's new magic trick was to get my computer to generate noise (I use a brainwave generator - looks like they turned it on) *when the computer was turned off and I was on the other side of the room*.   (It could be directed sound, I don't know what the **** it was.)

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NWTarget

Organized Stalking is very real. Read my story on the READ FIRST link at the top left of my blog.groupstalkingbyindians.blogspot.com/

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