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The concept of an "open secret" is something that a large number of people know, but, noone officially recognizes, or, openly talks about. This applies to mainly government and especially military knowledge. A good example is NSA's Echelon system, or, that the Israeli government has hundreds of H-bombs. This concept is also fused into certain private sector operations like local Mafia control of certain industries, legal and illegal, enabled by the help of official corruption of the local political machinery. There is a good wikipedia page on the topic of the open secret, link below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_secret
There are certain social ills of an undemocratic nature that lead to extensive societal secrets. Firstly, an open government is a foundation of a democratic state. Yet, in Nation of Secrets, Ted Gup describes a growing trend of official secrecy that has deleterious effects. There is such an extensive usage of labeling things as classified Top Secret that it has watered down the way such materials are treated and created a consequent blurring of the line between benign secrets and important secrets. The press is also reduced to a child-like status by having to quote "anonymous officials" on important stories, or, risk losing access, and, hence, stories. There are other ills at play like self-censorship which has become a reflexive state for many especially post 9/11. Secrecy in government is one of the early harbingers of the death of democracy. Naomi Wolf wrote an excellent book called the End of America analyzing secrecy as part of a structured analysis of societies on the road to fascism. Of course, the existence of an open secret requires an Orwellian doublethink of knowing something, but, internalizing the lack of knowledge by sustained, forced public denial of said knowledge.
The articles I wrote that substantiate the knowledge and official deniability of gang stalking by DOJ and the National Center for Victims of Crime, on NowPublic, shows a classic example of the operation of an open secret. What is especially pernicious about gang stalking being an open secret is that it requires a McCarthyesq involvement by large sectors of the public in secrecy, and, obeying arbitrary and unquestioned orders. It is the type of social engineering that is unfit for rudimentary democracy. At worst it may be a stalking horse for American Fascism.
CONSPIRACY AND DOUBLETHINK
The public has been conditioned to use Orwellian doublethink with the concept of "conspiracy". Every day in this country there are hundreds of conspiracy convictions in most cases when a crime involves two or more defendants. Here, the prosecutors are never considered "conspiracy nuts". However, outside the criminal justice system the term conspiracy has been smeared with the smack of an inevitably crazy accusation. There are even people who believe a conspiracy has never been proven in a civil court case. This is belied by laws such as Civil RICO, and, many crimes involving financial fraud.
Hillary Clinton was pilloried over saying her husband was the victim of a "vast right wing conspiracy". The documentary film The Hunting of the President made a persuasive case for her accusations. Again, this reflexive smear campaign is just a symptom of the deep conditioning that the public has underwent, in many areas of thought, that reflects a structured narrowing of acceptable argument, even acceptable thought (cf. "thought crime"). Anyone seriously interested in this issue should read Noam Chomsky's Neccessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies.
Anyone who thinks Ward Churchill's comparisons between the Nazi government and that of the Americans is incorrect should take a look at this link:
http://www.edgewoodtestvets.org/court-filed-documents/pdfs/20090724-First-Amended-Complaint.pdf
My seven other articles on this site have generated over two hundred comments. I would like anyone commenting on this, who actually knows about gang stalking, to express in their comments exactly how Un-American an activity it is.
VOTE IN A GANG STALKING POLL: TELL THE WORLD YOUR STORY
http://zohopolls.com/peacefrog/how-long-have-you-been-a-victim-of-gang-stalking
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at 13:12 on October 23rd, 2009
Organized Stalking that is being practiced by large segmets of American society is not only un-American it is safe to say that it's un-human.
To the victim of gang-stalking the persecution can only be described as criminally insane because of the sadism enjoyed by the stalkers. I say enjoy because that's exactly how they feel about the pain they inflict on the targeted individual (TI).
Observing the behavior of the stalkers it appears that they have devolved into a barbaric state of living. They have become masters of inventing ways of destroying the life of the TI with no apparent motive. They seem to have an insatiable need to inflict harm on their target.
The apparent pleasure they take in destroying the victim appears to be a sickness of the mind and the spirit. The mass murders, the negative impact on the economy and on the social fabric of our society matters little or nothing to them. All they care about is destroying the target. It really does seem like a paramount goal in their lives.
All levels of society are involved in this insane crime, from the janitor to the CEO. It almost seems like a sport that everyone can enjoy. They have created a culture of sadism that has reached the highest echelons of our society and continues to grow.
Considering how powerful they have become I don't know if they can be stopped.
(In my NowPublic story "Was America's first Mass Murderer a Victim of Organzied Stalking?" I proposed that he may have been. If that's the case that dates OS to 1949).
at 04:40 on October 24th, 2009
This is criminally sadistic, sociopathic behavior by many people from all walks of life. That being a given, the bigger question for me is who engineered this thing. From DOJ statistics I argue in my article "DOJ Knows about Gang Stalking" on NowPublic that there may be as many as 667,000 victims. This is using the government's data (almost 20% of the stalking population of 3.4 million). Who trained them to do 24/7 audio/visual/GPS tracking? Why are their tactics so similar to COINTELPRO? What could the government gain by using these groups? Could this be set up as a COINTELPRO where the ultimate targets have little to do with the stalking groups? Are the real targets going to get scapegoated for the activities of sociopaths because of minimal involvement? Could the agenda include smearing local police departments in order to consolidate federal exclusive jurisdiction over major crimes including narcotics and political corruption? Should over half of Americans suffer like this because Washington is targeting Mafia and Narco-traffickers with aims of using loose federal conspiracy laws to selectively prosecute high value criminal targets who are not even aware that they are being steered into Kangaroo courts where the government will control all the evidence presented. This has all happened before, when during the McCarthy era the FBI made payments to infiltrators and to the American Communist Party. During the Civil Rights Era 20% of the Klan were paid informants. In Operation Black Widow in the late 1990's the government paid the head of a Latino street gang $1000 a week and provoked at least one murder. No reasonable person can look at the situation and say this happened without the supervision, training and instigation of thousands of snitches, mostly paid, who were taught COINTELPRO by the FBI. It just does not add up without government involvement. In many ways this is a type of Macabre government theate.
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anonymous post (not verified)at 09:01 on October 24th, 2009
You wrote: "Considering how powerful they have become I don't know if they can be stopped." I sometimes ask myself the same question -- that is, can these groups be stopped? In my heart of hearts, however, I believe that the answer is "yes." It may take a miracle, coupled with a concerted and mighty effort, but whoever is behind this will most certainly be exposed and stopped. One day, their house of cards will fall.
at 11:50 on October 24th, 2009
I think the power of these gang stalking groups is way overestimated by targets. The people doing the streat theatre and 24/7 monitoring are informants, etc., being used as puppets for the FBI and Red Squads. This whole thing is being scripted and choreographed by Washington. This is social engineering, the same as the Red Scare, etc. If you seriously want to understand how the government could pull the strings behind this type of operation rent the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares, also, read Churchill and Vander Wall's The Cointelpro Papers, or FBI Secrets, or, the Church Committe Report on the Domestic Spying on American Citizens by FBI, CIA & NSA (this is a summary of the findings of lengthy Congressional hearings, of which, over 50,000 pages are now declassified).
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anonymous post (not verified)at 15:09 on October 24th, 2009
PeaceFrog wrote: "I think the power of these gang stalking groups is way overestimated by targets." Thank you for the response and additional information. In a way, you're right - their power is overestimated, in a sense. On the other hand, when they vandalize, steal and, in effect, terrorize people, they are powerful, if only for a time. As you know, there are those among them who are responsible for the deaths of others. Their goal is to ruin people and they do. So how can we say that they aren't powerful.
at 16:58 on October 24th, 2009
One of their attributes that makes them especially powerful is their uncanny ability to recruit or co-opt ordinary citizens in their schemes. They have the ability to turn long time neighbors, friends, and even family members agains the target. How they do this is a mystery to me.
at 08:27 on October 26th, 2009
I agree with the two previous posts that the impact of the acts of gang stalking groups is powerful. However, I believe the only logical explanation for the lack of official attention, and the methods of these groups, is that they are being controlled by the government. Is it not unusual for any nationwide syndicate not to have a level of police infiltration? They are not making money from their activities, isn't it strange that they persist? You have to be quite a coincidence theorist to write off the similarities between gang stalking methods and published accounts of Cointelpro. If they are acting by the hand of government, through a vast network of snitches, which is exactly what I'm convinced is happening, then they are being programmed, and, in some sense are submental. All the activities from 24/7 surveillance, conspicuous surveillance, harassment, technical surveillance (audio/visual/GPS), slander campaigns, infiltration of neighborhood, family and work-making steady employment very difficult-these are all right out of published accounts of Cointelpro. Also, break-ins, theft, assault, murder (search Fred Hampton BPP) were tools used to "neutralize" targtes of Cointelpro. It defies common sense to think that the FBI is playing a passive role here, or, that the similarities between gang stalking and Cointelpro activities are coincidence. The fact is that the average gang stalker is a petty, recidivist criminal, not even distinguished by success in career criminality. They are a group of weak minded losers, being led by informants, who are controlled by police-this is not my definition of powerful. They have the appearance of power, their controllers have the power. As far as most of the help they get, especially from legitimate sources, it is all cover for an FBI operation. This is the only reasonable conclusion.
I am a victim and have known at least one person driven to suicide by this. I do not downplay the seriousness of the situation. However, I can not accept the fact that this is not an FBI Cointelpro. In addition to studying Cointelpro, I was a cooperating informant in a Joint Task Force FBI/NYPD/SEC/NASD investigation into a Wall Street brokerage firm. I obtained my FBI file and the associated 302 interview Memo in a FOIA suit. I am convinced that the FBI is behind the entire thing. I have no problem meeting with anyone in a public place with documents to prove my statement of past involvement with the FBI, although I regret cooperating with them, and, consider them a rogue operation.
The people who get you on the stalking list are powerful. They have high level government/corporate connections. They are generally successful. THEY ARE NOT THE ONES DOING THE GANG STALKING, BUT ARE LIKELY TO BE THE ULTIMATE TARGETS OF THE FEDS. This is unfair in the sense that gang stalking group members will end up with immunity and/or felony w/probation, and, the persons who are least connected to the gang stalking torture techniques will be hit with the heaviest sentences. There is no doubt in my mind that over half a million, perhaps two-thirds of a million victims are suffering because they are bait in an FBI scheme that is probably looking to ensnare a few hundred high level criminal and political targets. That is the obscenity of Cointelpro.
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Anonymously Given (not verified)at 09:38 on October 29th, 2009
PeaceFrog: In terms of visibility, what has changed since the takeover by Examiner? It seems that the page views have dropped precipitously for most "stalking related" pages. What do you sense (about the system) that has changed? I don't have an account, so I haven't really examined this issue as it relates to official NP authors. I notice now that I cannot insert links, and am limited to one paragraph (both items changed since Examiner takeover), but that doesn't affect page view counts. What do you think?
at 10:34 on October 29th, 2009
As far as I can tell, none of my stories, or links, have been affected. You can post to my stories, or, send me a message if anyone else is having a problem.
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Mark Veil (not verified)at 18:41 on October 31st, 2009
How many targeted individuals have you met. How do you know that they are indeed T.I.s and not perps or handlers. How would you suggest a T.I. find other T.I.s.
There was a protest day. I have not been able to find out how successful it was or what the follow up is. If millions of people found out about these crimes, do you think that it would be helpful.
I heard the following suggestions:
-protest days should be held at least monthly
-attractive, youthful people should be hired to march and represent this issue, since they will be looked at and listened to
-as many of these as possible: 5-30 minimum should march
-they should have a huge commercial banner that is simple and attractive
-they should go to the busiest parts of cities at busy times and also take public transit, to be highly visible
-message should be soft, not alarming. Example:
Protect yourself and your loved ones from a hidden crime.
Look up --List three excellent websites, including Now Public
Get involved while you can.
at 18:49 on October 31st, 2009
How about signing a Petition to Congress? http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/help-cease-gang-stalking-and-electronic-harassment
at 10:03 on November 1st, 2009
Every civil rights struggle in this countries history has been infiltrated by government and criminal elements seeking to continue the status quo. If you look at everyone as a potential enemy your never going to get anywhere. Its the price all activists pay.
I have spoken with over a hundred ti's personally (some through conference calls). I am convinced gang stalking exists and many ti's are genuine. My other articles point to legal notice on behalf of DOJ and federally funded victims groups that amounts to clear evidence that it is being regularly reported in large numbers of complaints. Read the articles and the links.
I think the idea above is interesting, and, I am of the belief that there is no bad publicity in our situation. "Hiring" help may be a questionable tactic since we are trying to expose something and this could be construed as self-interested promotion of the cause. However, I have thought of teaming up with a small group of 5 to 20 to hand out fliers at a location like Union Square in NYC . I know a print place where I can get 5,000 fliers for $99 . I am also working on a couple of projects including a lobbying effort. If you and a few others want to explore the flier idea post a website address and I'll contact you. If you design your own effort post it so I and others can consider joining the effort.
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Mark Veil (not verified)at 19:22 on October 31st, 2009
P.S.
It can also get the message out if you make up and sing a popular song when in crowded public quarters. It is helpful if you encounter the low life street force, as they will probably tend to run away as quickly as possible.
For example --lyric could be :
Gangstalker, proxy stalker
Who are you torturing
Who are you murdering
Gangstalker proxy stalker
What is your salary
What is your salary
Any tune can serve. Just say you heard it on the radio; it sounds catchy --and there are related websites.
I have also heard that if you have good sketching skills the ground forces will stop following and surveilling you as soon as you start sketching them. Great idea to practice up. (Maybe you can later get hired as a court artist.)
at 10:08 on November 1st, 2009
Don't limit it to sketches, use a camera, cell phone camera. Get plate numbers, use a videocam (you can get one at Bestbuy with nightvision for under $100, $200 will include facial recognition software). Buy a cheap pair of bonoculars and even a scanner for countersurveillance. Even if you do not spend the money to run dozens or hundreds of plates right away, save the info. in a small notepad, eventually it will be used!
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Mark Veil (not verified)at 19:23 on October 31st, 2009
A petition is useless unless millions of people know about this crime and are up in arms against it. Otherwise, government is complicit.
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Mark Veil (not verified)at 19:25 on October 31st, 2009
Of course anyone who engages in this crime --whether street stalker or handler is the utter lowest thing that a human being can possibly become.
I thank God for upright people everywhere. These gangstalkers do not have the slightest concept of what I mean by upright.
at 10:13 on November 1st, 2009
You have to keep in mind that the vast array of snitches handled by every level of law enforcement includes many people facing life under Rockefeller drug laws, three strikes, the federal habitual offender statute, etc., In my opinion the cops handling these slaves are "upright" and "pillars of the community" only superficially, in actuality their actions are genocidal and they are the lowest filth.
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Mark Veil (not verified)at 16:59 on November 8th, 2009
When I say that gangstalkers are the lowest, I include any person who knowingly promotes, aids or abets such covert stalking. So, I agree with your comment above, Peacefrog. You seem well-informed. I realize that groups will be infiltrated, but I have not yet met a single T.I. and have no idea how to find one. A contact of mine was present at a so-called protest outside of the parliament buildings in Toronto and said that it was a fiasco.
I do think that the singing idea can go far, if it catches on. Quiet singing:
It says on the internet. I read on the internet. It said on the internet. On the internet.
Soon to be censored. Soon to be censored. You won t be reading it. You won t find it.
Gang stalker. Proxy stalker. Covert stalker. Organized stalker.
I saw it on the internet. On the internet. Not on the T. V. Not on the radio. Not in the papers.
Gangstalker. Proxy stalker. Who are you torturing. Who are you murdering. Who are you working for. What is your salary.
Repeat.
at 19:11 on November 8th, 2009
If you want to do some activism why don't you make a couple of hundred copies of your song/poem and spread them around randomly, like fliers from a Chinese restaurant. You will inevitably irritate your stalkers, promote fear in them, and also get some people interested and aware of the problem who are not tuning into it on the internet. We have to use creative ideas to inform an apathetic and uninformed public. Randomness is key, also some people who read this are going to be interested in the riddle-like quality and start doing internet searches out of curiosity. Some of these people may be able to help or promote the ideas in diverse areas and occupations.