Gang Stalking: Wikipedia's Agent Provocateurs & Cyber trolls

I invite anyone to go to that talk page and see that:

1. He was in fact "edit warring" as long defined by wikipedia as 3 reverts in a 24 hour period. He did so against consensus of 3 or more editors, one of which was an admin. 

2. He conveniently forgets to mention he is now blocked from wiki editing not just for edit warring but for sock/meat puppet activity with Elizabeth Blandra- the same nasty tactics he has long engaged in here. He thinks wiki is stupid and does not easily conduct ISP based investigations. (edit warring will get you a short suspension, not outright blocked.)

3. He now assaults my person, stating outright I am a "government agent provocateur" without a lick of evidence, no surprise there. Par for the Peacefrog Disinfo Course. 

4. Yet the basis for his accusation is my trying to keep him from establishing his prolific disinformation campaign from being accepted as factual. 

It's a fact, people promoting that DOJ poll as "proving" gang stalking exists are setting themselves up for ridicule as soon as anyone with a bit of sense looks at the filtering criteria for the respondents. 

Note in that wiki stalking talk page, Peacefrog never addresses that issue even though other editors call him to do so. Why is he trying so hard to provide so called "facts" that can  only discredit TIs? 

5. He further falsely implies I had something to do with the old Gang Stalking article's deletion, which is absurd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gang_stalking

I had nothing to do with that and was only contacted as a previous editor on the issue, and in fact the Stalking Talk page documents my past efforts to introduce a rational version of it. This more than anything shows, if it's possible, Peacefrog has found an arena in wikipedia where he is more incompetant, clueless and disconnected with protocol than he is in a court of law- and we all know his history there! 

In summary, I don't really care what people think of me at Now Public because most of the posts in Peacefrog's articles are from Elizabeth Blandra posting as numerous individuals anyway. This site allows the shenanigans  which foster their cheap tactics. 

Just ask yourself who is the probable agent provocateur: The source of Disinformation, or the person who points it out? 

Batvette writes:

He thinks wiki is stupid and does not easily conduct ISP based investigations. 

     No, I know that English Wikipedia rarely grants an ISP check to clear alleged sock puppetry because I read:

On the English Wikipedia, CheckUser is entrusted to a restricted number of users who can both execute CheckUser inquiries subject to their own discretion and monitor and crosscheck each other's use of the function. The permission is approved (exceedingly rarely and only to trusted editors) by the Arbitration Committee, following community consultation and committee vetting. Checkusers are not required to be administrators, but must be 18 years of age or older and have provided personal identification (whichonce confirmed is destroyed) to the Foundation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CheckUser

YOU ARE NOT ONLY A FRAUD, BUT AN IMBECILE TO BOOT!

     The IP address listed in that link is not my IP address.

      I wouldn't expect you to get it Faithie. I've made dozens of edits on Wikipedia from my ISP, some signed Peacefrog71, some unsigned (before I created a user account). I had a problem signing in ONCE and made the mistake of having another user, who is an editor, sign in for me to make a small change. This set me up for the control freaks at Wikipedia to label me and the other account as sock puppets.

Faithless,  Some people (like you) have little interest in the truth.  You're here to mock and disrupt.  Oh, and to throw in the words "massive conspiracy" whenever possible.

IMO, the government, in the aftermath of Virginia Tech, decided to target, en masse, those who are "crazy" (and those it wants to simply paint as "crazy), and therefore, in the eyes of the gov, those who are capable of violence.  The government is targeting anyone that they believe could "snap", given the right circumstances.  (I think that many of those who have been deemed "unstable" and/or undesirable have been on the government's radar for decades.)  After Virginia Tech, the gov went nuts, targeting anyone and everyone who fit a certain profile, which conveniently includes whistleblowers, “undesirables”, and anyone else that the government wants to marginalize and/or destroy.  They're able to coerce neighbors, and others who normally wouldn't participate, by telling them that victims need to be watched because they are potentially violent and need treatment for mental illness.  One of the goals of “the program”, is to get people into the mental health system, so that they can be forcibly medicated, monitored, and completely marginalized.  GS gives the gov a mechanism to put people out-of-circulation, so-to-speak, and provides the constant monitoring that is required to keep America safe from "the nuts", as well as anyone else that they want people to think is "nuts."  But the trouble is, they need people to continue to act out violently because, then, they will be able to further justify their "program" -- the one that victims call GS.  So the program does double-duty:  It radicalizes and creates people who may "act out" violently, while at the same time, tries to identify people who are hard-wired for violence (in their eyes) -- it's quite the ugly game.  The mentally ill are largely "of no consequence whatsoever" in America.  "Better off without them" is the feeling of many.  And they're the perfect victims because they're not to be believed, and most of them are vulnerable.  (The thugs, goons, and criminals “employed” by the program are “put to good use”, in the eyes of those who designed this program – they also need to be watched and controlled.  What better way to do it?  Make them think that they have a purpose, as the eyes, ears, and hands of the state.   In doing so, the government is able to keep some of them occupied and out of trouble (or so they believe).)  (Sorry about the repetition.)

Who the hell cares if such things are rare, the fact is one was done on you and Blandra last year and was confirmed positive!

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Elizabeth_Blandra

Say hello to socky below now. 

Thats rather different from your previous story where you admitted it was two people using the same IP address but were different people so it wasnt trolling. Try to keep track of your stories, sweetie.

LOL! So now you DID use the same IP and you are being unfairly victimized. Of course its a massive conspiracy right? expecting the same rules to apply to everyone is grossly unfair.

I had a problem signing in ONCE and made the mistake of having another user, who is an editor, sign in for me to make a small change. 

Bull s h i t.   The events that initiated that sock investigation involved stacking the votes in a Request for Comments procedure. It's linked to right in on that page. Didn't you just make a big deal about how rare such investigations were? Now they would put the big hammer down on poor little you just for having someone make a little change? God you're so full of it. 

No, batvette.  You're full of it.  (You aren't interested in the truth.)  A smart guy, with an interest in ending gang stalking, would have left well-enough alone on Wikipedia.

Batvette,

     You are clearly an enemy of TI's, working to discredit and undermine them to keep this Program going. Your photo, if that is you, belongs on whosarat.com. That site, which is hated by your kind, has been hip to this Program being an FBI/police show for some time.  

BATVETTE said, while talking out of the other side of his mouth, regarding getting info posted to Wiki's stalking page.  He wrote this in Feb of 2011, I believe:   "If we want to get it in  there is only one way.............................Get a lot of TI's- like several dozen or more-  to open accounts, and establish verifiable edit histories for about 6 months on wholly irrelevant topics. They will also have to learm wiki protocol and wiki-lawyering skills.............................Then one can approach the admin who locked the page (the anome) and casually attempt to reintroduce it, we will need some good sources before that is even attempted.............................Then rally everyone and slam his ass and all the meat puppets he will bring into his blocking actions and  the resulting RFC's and higher admin actions. It's about consensus at that point and we'll have be sly but forceful.  ............................Though all will have to play the stupid game that we have no personal interest and are solely editing  with a NPOV.............................It's complete bull.............................and though I don't expect anyone to read all my ranting, this should dispel any notion I am involved with "disinfo" for the program..................................................................................Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gang Stalking: Santa Cruz Police Lieutenant Speaks Out | NowPublic News Coverage www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-santa-cruz-police-lieutenant-speaks-out#ixzz20Q2Tvo1S   (Batvette is like an evil Eddie Haskell -- he sucks up to the Wiki folks while on Wiki and bashes them here.  I think that the Wiki folks on the stalking page should read this.) 

Yeah. And you're probably ratvette, masquerading as a mouse.   It was one sentence with links to 2 good articles.   And I don't know who you think I am, but I'm no sock puppet.   (If the gov isn't running GS, who do you think is?)

ANONYMOUSE:   Just another authoritarian asshole advancing his own agenda.   (The language that is used is telling.)

Tim Shorrock's "America under surveillance" from Aug. 2007: " Granted new power to spy inside the U.S.,  the Bush administration may be doing more than eavesdropping on phone  calls -- it could be watching suspects' every move."  www.salon.com/2007/08/09/domestic_surveillance/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Batvette#Deletion_review_for_Gang_Stalking  (Take a good look at the batvette "makeover" -- he was for inclusion of GS on the stalking page before he "saw the light" and decided that its inclusion (even in what was a benign way) was not for the greater good.  He's the decider.  And he's "right", by god.  (He also has no problem discrediting victims, if it suits his purpose.  Let me find that quote that's been posted again and again.  It shows batvette's true colors so very well.)

Take a look at batvette's conclusions about the Adrian Schoolcraft case before the entire story made its way to air and light -- he was on the wrong side of that one, too, blathering on as he does here, asking stupid questions, making baseless accusations, and expecting others to answer his ridiculous questions, many of which had been answered in any number of ways but, even so, he refused to accept what others were posting.  This is a similar situation.  He makes specious arguments and lambasts others for their valid points and conclusions.  We know that group stalking is a significant and serious problem in the US, in communities all across this country and yet, when the DOJ's Stalking Report confirms it, batvette, jumps up and down, screaming, "but it doesn't, it doesn't!" He's so sure of it (and has such animosity for Attorney Labella) that in typical "borderline" style, he stirs up trouble on Wikipedia's "Stalking" page. Batvette's one of those folks who wants a certain answer and then sets out to prove that the answer that they desire is true, even when it's manifestly false.  When the truth about GS is finally revealed (and it will be), batvette will be running around like a chicken with its head cut off, screaming, "..but,... but... but..."  At that point in time, he'll say that we didn't explain it well, or we didn't answer his questions, or that we didn't give him our personal narratives, blah, blah, blah... that he couldn't possibly have known because others didn't give him the answers that he needed to be able to accurately state the truth.  Attorney Labella isn't trying to mislead anyone, batvette.  The DOJ report IS "proof", no matter how you want to spin it.  Deny it all you want. It won't ever make your faulty conclusions "true."

Another excellent article, PeaceFrog.  Thanks.  (Not to distract, but what follows in an interesting, must-see, June 9 interview with Thomas Drake on RT yesterday:....."What you're seeing is the establishment of a surveillance society. ...  It raises the specter  of the rise of soft tyranny. ...  What happens if they don't like you?  What happens if you speak ill will against the government? What if you say something that they consider disloyal? ... And you also have the fear element.  Fear in itself is control."   ---Thomas Drake, NSA Whistleblower .......  www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMy2ZbPkyvw&feature=player_embedded  )

You're also a guy who jumps to unfounded conclusions.  I'll say it again.  A smart guy, with an interest in ending gang stalking, would have left well-enough alone on Wikipedia.

Boy-wonder, aka batvette, asks, "Why don't you answer the question, where are the results of that poll?"........................... The DOJ has the data, rat-boy.   (Why, why, why... do you even exist...)  And this isn't PeaceFrog talking...

I couldn't have said it better myself, PeaceFrog.  You've done harm to TIs by your recent actions on Wikipedia, batvette.   You may have won this battle, but you're not going to win the war.  We are.

     NO GANG STALKING VICTIM WOULD EVER HAVE INSTIGATED WIKIPEDIA'S REMOVAL OF THE TERM GANG STALKING AND THE TWO REFERENCED FOX NEWS ARTICLES FROM THE STALKING PAGE.

    YOU ARE A PHONY AND A HYPOCRITE BASED ON COMMON SENSE. NO ONE NEEDS A DEGREE TO SEE THROUGH YOUR BULLSHYTE.

     I never received that data in a usable form. They gave me a disk that contained the same information that is hosted on the University of Michigan website. It is coded in SASS, STATA, and other proprietary statistical software that can not even be purchased off the shelf. The Judge, a former NYS state's attorney, allowed them to get away with that over my arguments that it was not in an accessible format.  

Do some heavy lifting for a change, ratvette.  If you want the data, go get it.  PeaceFrog isn't "withholding" anything and your comment only reveals your lack of insight into the process of obtaining information from the government.  You're a troublemaker, nothing more, nothing less.  And hey.  That was some real good work over on Wikipedia, asshole.

APPARENTLY BATVETTE WAS FORMERLY ONE OF THE GANG STALKING CONSPIRACY THEORISTS. CARE TO EXPLAIN YOU RAT PIECE OF GARBAGE?

These are YOUR WORDS BATVETTE NOT MINE:

at 09:25 on March 22nd, 2009

I take a lot of photos too, and have a sign that says "Gangstalking  today? you might be on YOUTUBE tommorrow!" in my window. Another says "Organized stalking is a crime, under USC title 18 section 241-(243 if  you are a L.E.O.) Explain that to the kids, they're going to ask why DADDY went to PRISON.")

You know they love me for that one.

at 17:58 on June 15th, 2009
I still wonder, though, what's the common denominator here? The way these people do this always seems to be taken from the same textbook of tactics, they aren't all coming up with this on their own. Do they have some kind of recruiting site? Is there some club that picks people?

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Organized Stalking TI's navigate truth and deception on the web | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 2 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/organized-stalking-tis-navigate-truth-and-deception-web#ixzz1yIYIT3rJ

at 07:55 on September 10th, 2009


Those are pretty damning words to speak about anyone. I hear the pay isn't so great and they get some of these guys to do this for meals or gas money? I don't know who is the bigger chump: the perps, or the handlers for overpaying a pittance for such loser help.

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Batvette, (August 16, 2009)

 This is a message to the perps in their pickup trucks who like to bright my house, to the neighbors who joined gov't snitch programs, to the members of community steering groups we believe finger us for a slow death sentance, and the architects of this whole concept.

You're haters. It's that simple. You are the enemy of America, and will only cause terrorism against the country to increase, because the world always looked up to us for one fundamental reason: The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. In fact when I enlisted in the military, the first line of the oath states "I swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic".  By denying people due process, by committing acts of punishment clearly cruel and unusual, and picking individuals who are feared for their history of speaking out against abuses of authority, YOU endanger that document and what it stands for.

If we're dirtbags, if we're scum you need to put down...  what does that make you for having no greater purpose in life but to spend time watching us? A step beneath us, that's for sure. You probably wanted to do this because you see America's future, your hopes, your dreams, slipping away, and wanted to contribute something to your community after 9/11. Fight them terrorists, huh Sparky?

Well there aren't any homegrown terrorists, unless you count yourselves. The DHS filed over 800,000 criminal cases from 2004-2007, and just 12 of them, or .0015% were related to terrorism. It's all a big scam, you're a participant in a command and control scheme, the architects of which are the same corporate elite who sold off America's patents, copyrights and financial assets (including factories) in the '90's and live behind the walls of gated communities, and need you to be their secret police to prevent wide spread civil unrest as it gets much worse economically.

That's right, you aren't saving America from terrorists, you're the last nails in the coffin. You aren't better than us, it's quite the opposite-  you could be counted on to follow orders and not question whether they were right or wrong.  You aren't the type to take it all in and see the big picture that isn't usually shown to the people.  You do your job well because you lack a solid moral compass, are of below average intelligence, and easily fall for faulty ideological mantras.

Above all, you are too timid to stand up and challenge authority when it needs to be challenged. You need to join a group of other like minded twits to indulge your desire to bully and control people, need "empowerment and adventure" (Thanks, Mark Rich) because you can't get it on your own initiative, or need the numbers of a gang to intimidate others.   A complete morally decrepit, dimwitted, cowardly pathetic wretch.  It takes what, 50, 100 of you to keep one TI down? I'd call that a mismatch. In our favor.

Better than us? Hardly, fact is you are a sociopath. A psychopath, even. What other kind of person would sit in his pickup like you do, in a dark, cold parking lot at night, hoping the target might pop out so you might have the opportunity to drive at him and intimidate him with your headlights? One could even theorize all of this wasn't designed to get rid of us, but use us to keep you busy and focused in life-  otherwise you might be torturing small animals, cruising the playgrounds looking for five year olds, and if you weren't parked out there waiting for me it might be outside of your ex wife, girlfriend, or the loan officer who repo'd your ice cream truck.  

You may cause my demise, I can't seem to stop that. I've made my situation worse with defiance but I have no regrets as I feel an obligation to obstruct and occupy you as much as humanly possible like a prisoner of war must try to be a pain in the ass to his enemy captors. This delays you introducing your evil activities to the next target, or an existing one will have less of you to apply to their life that day.  I will defy you to the end, even as your fascist jackboot crushes my skull to the ground, as it will have my teeth marks in it.

And you and yours, despite your feigned attitudes of disgust as you rid your neighborhoods of another "undesirable" from your midst, will be too dense to recognize the subconscious feelings of envy that you'd been born with as much courage, intestinal fortitude and love for humanity in your whole body as each of us has in a finger. You deserve to live in the world you are creating, one of hatred, conformity, suspicion, and mediocrity, if you are indicative of it maybe it's best to leave it.

I just have one thing left- when they trained you people to do this, which of these came first in the program- was it the castration...    or the lobotomy?

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto#ixzz1xUXeCE1N

Do you remember any of your own statements?:

at 23:58 on August 17th, 2009

n my observation in my city, the police participate, and Jiverly Wong, the Binghampton shooter was almost certainly stalked by his local police- his note said "they pull out suddenly in front of my car 32 times, but I  did not hit them once" and that's why the issue of him being gangstalked was given little attention- the agency that did the investigation was the one stalking him!

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at 00:50 on September 6th, 2009

I holler out to my perps who are surely listening to everything:  If I'm a loser, what are you when your whole life revolves around watchng me?  Before our feet hit the ground every morning I'm already winning because you can't let a minute go by without paying attention to me yet I couldn't care less who you are.

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These were the tags you chose:

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Batvette writes,

You know I'm beginning to believe, with the audacity of the intellectual dishonesty going on here

     More like, the audacity of someone whose agenda is to conceal a fascist social movement pretending to be a victim while discrediting victims and their life stories. HYPOCRITE!

BATVETTE, writing about Wikipedia on PF's Santa Cruz article:  "I spent some time with Jeremy trying to crack their bias, they have one editor (who is also admin) who is a pretty dishonest operator. I doubt there is more to it than typical wiki petty ego BS. If we want to get it in  there is only one way.............................Get a lot of TI's- like several dozen or more-  to open accounts, and establish verifiable edit histories for about 6 months on wholly irrelevant topics. They will also have to learm wiki protocol and wiki-lawyering skills.............................Then one can approach the admin who locked the page (the anome) and casually attempt to reintroduce it, we will need some good sources before that is even attempted.............................Then rally everyone and slam his ass and all the meat puppets he will bring into his blocking actions and  the resulting RFC's and higher admin actions. It's about consensus at that point and we'll have be sly but forceful.  ............................Though all will have to play the stupid game that we have no personal interest and are solely editing  with a NPOV.............................It's complete bull.............................and though I don't expect anyone to read all my ranting, this should dispel any notion I am involved with "disinfo" for the program..................................................................................Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gang Stalking: Santa Cruz Police Lieutenant Speaks Out | NowPublic News Coverage www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-santa-cruz-police-lieutenant-speaks-out#ixzz20Q2Tvo1S

Hmmmm.   Batvette walks like an agent provocateur, and he talks like an agent provocateur.   If I had to put serious money on it, I'd say that he IS an agent provocateur.