Gang Stalking: Wikipedia's Agent Provocateurs & Cyber trolls

Batvette f'd with good information on Wikipedia -- that's the sum and substance of it.  He's a menace.  He went after that info on Wikipedia because he's on a crusade against PF, IMHO.  He's also either incredibly stupid.  Or he's an agent-provacateur.  Or both.   That one, innocuous statement has been on Wikipedia for a long time and batvette just noticed it now?  Nope.  This "program" will scrub anything about GS that is credible.

GS is a fascist program.  We've become a nation of predators.

As PeaceFrog said, in an earlier comment, the goal is "to conceal a fascist social movement pretending to be a victim while discrediting victims and their life stories." 

Here's another victim of GS who, on the face of it, seems crazy but, probably, isn't:  Damon Cooper.   www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-apparent-texas-target-burns-down-discount-store

The same batvette who is now responsible for the deletion of important information about GS on Wikipedia:..............................batvette................at 14:10 on February 9th, 2011.....................Thanks for taking that claim of "santiago" with the skepticism it deserved. You may have noticed I do have a little experience editing there, much of it arguing in talk pages as I don't like the edit warring that goes on and policing articles of blatant bias is bad enough.............................(I'm showing just under the 750 count since creating an account in mid 2006)............................That being said, "right" has no bearing on wiki editing, they have this screwball standard that is called, in one word, "verifiability". All you have to do is find a source. Even if you and an opposing editor KNOW something is "right" it can't go in because that is "original research". But then there is OR all over wiki anyway.............................I spent some time with Jeremy trying to crack their bias, they have one editor (who is also admin) who is a pretty dishonest operator. I doubt there is more to it than typical wiki petty ego BS. If we want to get it in  there is only one way.............................Get a lot of TI's- like several dozen or more-  to open accounts, and establish verifiable edit histories for about 6 months on wholly irrelevant topics. They will also have to learm wiki protocol and wiki-lawyering skills.............................Then one can approach the admin who locked the page (the anome) and casually attempt to reintroduce it, we will need some good sources before that is even attempted.............................Then rally everyone and slam his ass and all the meat puppets he will bring into his blocking actions and  the resulting RFC's and higher admin actions. It's about consensus at that point and we'll have be sly but forceful.  ............................Though all will have to play the stupid game that we have no personal interest and are solely editing  with a NPOV.............................It's complete bull.............................I spent a lot of time for about a year butting heads with the primary editor who owns this article:............................en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)/Archive_3#NPOV_violation.3F............................That marks the exact point where I entered the fray and though I don't expect anyone to read all my ranting, this should dispel any notion I am involved with "disinfo" for the program. For a year I  locked horns with this guy who is basically an apologist for all the criminals in power.............................And yet after that year I  had to concede from a certain point of view he is right, and for the same reason so is the Anome. Conspiracy Theorists adopt so many silly and unfounded views the more you looked at them the less you could stomach the thought of joining them with the views you had already.............................And as time has gone by I can't help but see by intent or accident, many self claimed TI's are just what he is portraying almost all of them as. He is certainly wrong in the figures, it's not all of us. However if we don't accept his point of view as somewhat valid, as I did the editor of the NWO/CT's stance, he will never accept any part of ours.............................Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gang Stalking: Santa Cruz Police Lieutenant Speaks Out | NowPublic News Coverage www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-santa-cruz-police-lieutenant-speaks-out#ixzz20Q2Tvo1S

BATVETTE, writing about Wikipedia on PF's Santa Cruz article:  "I spent some time with Jeremy trying to crack their bias, they have one editor (who is also admin) who is a pretty dishonest operator. I doubt there is more to it than typical wiki petty ego BS. If we want to get it in  there is only one way.............................Get a lot of TI's- like several dozen or more-  to open accounts, and establish verifiable edit histories for about 6 months on wholly irrelevant topics. They will also have to learm wiki protocol and wiki-lawyering skills.............................Then one can approach the admin who locked the page (the anome) and casually attempt to reintroduce it, we will need some good sources before that is even attempted.............................Then rally everyone and slam his ass and all the meat puppets he will bring into his blocking actions and  the resulting RFC's and higher admin actions. It's about consensus at that point and we'll have be sly but forceful.  ............................Though all will have to play the stupid game that we have no personal interest and are solely editing  with a NPOV.............................It's complete bull.............................and though I don't expect anyone to read all my ranting, this should dispel any notion I am involved with "disinfo" for the program..................................................................................Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gang Stalking: Santa Cruz Police Lieutenant Speaks Out | NowPublic News Coverage www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-santa-cruz-police-lieutenant-speaks-out#ixzz20Q2Tvo1S

Hmmmm.   Batvette walks like an agent provocateur, and he talks like an agent provocateur.   If I had to put serious money on it, I'd say that he IS an agent provocateur.

www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=155874  -----Wiki New World Order page fascist censorship ----Started by batvette , Jun 11 2009 06:47 AM -------

Re-post from 14:27 on July 12th, 2012 above_ 1

It's funny how this discussion always seems to center around whether PeaceFrog or Batvette has it right or wrong about what is 'gangstalking'..

I found Batvette excellent reply at 22:25 on July 10th, 2012 both indepth and very well thought out to the apparent complexities of dealing with posting or editing information on Wikipedia. I began to see and understand the political and logistical reasons why PeaceFrog was having problems with that site (Wikipedia). Separately I do respect Wikipedia original founders Wales andSanger efforts and philosophical ideal's. Wikipedia obviously has developed, for whatever reasons, their own culture for posting and editing on their site. It is a shame that PeaceFrog's information had to be removed though.

That said, I will say that this discussion of understanding and defining what specific victims commonly refer to as 'gangstalking' could easily be misinterpreted or misunderstood by many who know little or nothing about these specific stalking activities or methods.

From reading and reflecting on Batvette's own experiences of being a stalking victim, and not minimizing or belittling those experiences in anyway, it's become obvious to me that Batvettes experiences as a stalking victim is not from gangstalking methods, but probably by stalking by proxy or proximity stalking activities. This is not what PeaceFrog, myself, or some other posters are referring to as 'gangstalking' activities. Nor what PeaceFrog is or has been specifically referring to and discussing in his articles or his legal efforts and comments.

In my opinion, the fact that Batvette has never seen or experienced what is commonly referred to by victims of 'gangstalking' as multiple 'street theater' tactics; nor understands or has experienced the multiple day to day tactics and repetitive psychological methods used by groups of stalking perpetrators on victims; and also that it occurs almost constantly everywhere you go24/7/365; explains why Batvette has taken a position that is highly skeptical of these described 'gangstalking' activities as not being real or must be false or is being imagined by victims.

Batvette must begin realizing that this highly organized psychological method, group or 'gang' stalking being discussed here by PeaceFrog, myself and others, isn't what he himself experienced, and is specifically the reason he may not fully understand what is being discussed or referred to as 'gangstalking' methods and activities.

I would suggest that Batvette step back and realize that something else is actually being discussed here that he himself hasn't experienced or come to fully realize.

 That what is being referred to by some stalking victims as 'gangstalking', is a much larger and highly organized stalking phenomenon that is being reported happening in many locations across America. Incorporating tactics and methods very similar to what PeaceFrog has been suggesting as cointelpro methods. That as PeaceFrog has suggested is a method the FBI repeatedly has used in the past. It is probably the main reason PeaceFrog suggest the FBI may be behind this seemingly massive run government program. That once you have experienced what seems to be a very well funded, highly organized, systematically run, many multiple individuals and government agencies involved, stalking, harassment, surveillance, torment, psychological torture method apparatus being directed at you over and over again, it becomes clear this involves much more than what is being referred to and reported by 'stalking' or 'stalking by proxy' victims.

In closing, I would suggest that many 'gangstalking' victims accounts of what is happening to them, that the similarities of what's being suggested by them specifically isn't by accident or due to conspiracy theories. That victims of these 'gangstalking' activities and methods, after repeated exposure, becomes (intentionally) obvious to them that it is not being imagined or made up by them. That you specifically Batvette, because of your attention to absolute detail, methods and specifics, would of had no problem identifying with or relating to gangstalking victims accounts if you had indeed been exposed to gangstalking methods and tactics yourself. Also the term 'gangstalking' would have become a much more obvious and clearly understood term to use in describing these activities if you had.

It's obvious to most gangstalked victims that something this massive in scope and logistics, not being openly identified or acknowledged by police or any local, county, state, or federal agency law enforcement could indeed be a government run program_obviously not being referred to as 'gangstalking' by them. Possibly under some other covert government name. I definitely suspect this is possibly run under some even larger domestic surveillance anti-terrorism apparatus and activist legislated government program. As many of the stalking activities seem to also have specific law enforcement involvement and oversite. That the precision and systematic level that these activities are carried out at, could not be possible without systemic government involvement.

BATVETTE said, while talking out of the other side of his mouth, regarding getting info posted to Wiki's stalking page.  He wrote this in Feb of 2011, I believe:   "If we want to get it in  there is only one way.............................Get a lot of TI's- like several dozen or more-  to open accounts, and establish verifiable edit histories for about 6 months on wholly irrelevant topics. They will also have to learm wiki protocol and wiki-lawyering skills.............................Then one can approach the admin who locked the page (the anome) and casually attempt to reintroduce it, we will need some good sources before that is even attempted.............................Then rally everyone and slam his ass and all the meat puppets he will bring into his blocking actions and  the resulting RFC's and higher admin actions. It's about consensus at that point and we'll have be sly but forceful.  ............................Though all will have to play the stupid game that we have no personal interest and are solely editing  with a NPOV.............................It's complete bull.............................and though I don't expect anyone to read all my ranting, this should dispel any notion I am involved with "disinfo" for the program..................................................................................Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gang Stalking: Santa Cruz Police Lieutenant Speaks Out | NowPublic News Coverage www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-santa-cruz-police-lieutenant-speaks-out#ixzz20Q2Tvo1S   (Batvette is like an evil Eddie Haskell -- he sucks up to the Wiki folks while on Wiki and bashes them here.  I think that the Wiki folks on the stalking page should read this.)