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by PeaceFrog | July 10, 2012 at 07:57 am
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Wikipedia scrubbed the information that this author added to its stalking page. This included deleting a reference to gang stalking under the Stalking by Groups subsection. It also included scrubbing two FOX-syndicated news stories on gang stalking. The first story scrubbed was the KION interview with Santa Cruz P.D. Lieutenant Larry Richard on the subject of "gang stalking" by groups. The second story scrubbed was the KENS-5 San Antonio investigative journalist piece confirming multiple open felony investigations related to gang stalking by groups by both the local San Antonio police and the San Antonio Sheriff's Office. This information had been on the Wikkipedia Stalking page since December, 2011. The scrubbing was instigated by government agent provocateur "Batvette" using the same moniker on Wikipedia as on NowPublic.
When this author attempted to reinstate the two FOX news stories, other Wikipedia "editors" sprang into action, and, retaliated by removing this author's links to official Department of Justice documents he obtained under the F.O.I.A., about stalking by groups that were working together as teams. These F.O.I.A. documents were tenured on the Wikipedia Stalking page for over ONE YEAR.
This is the Wikipedia Stalking article before the censorship occurred:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stalking&diff=prev&oldid=501435716#Stalking_by_groups
This is the current Wikipedia page after the scrubbing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking#Stalking_by_groups
Here is the Wikipedia talk page on gang stalking explaining the "rationale" behind the scrubbing redaction "edits":
In order to follow the rest of the discussion, please read the subsection "US DOJ Report on Stalking Victimization in the US / implied to indicate "gang stalking"" linked above.
The first paragraph comes to the bogus conclusion that because stalking by groups is not referred to specifically as "gang stalking" in the DOJ stalking materials, the use of the term "gang stalking" in the above-referenced FOX news pieces makes the activity of "gang stalking" different than "stalking by groups". This is purely a semantic and cosmetic difference that would be quickly understood by any "editor" at Wikipedia who was neither a government agent provocateur, nor lobotomized.
The second paragraph in the link above, as well as, Batvette's talk page on Wikipedia "deletion review for gang stalking" subsection, linked below, make it clear that government agent provocateur Batvette (the same government agent provocateur Batvette on NowPublic) initiated the deletion of the two FOX news stories on gang stalking from the Wikipedia Stalking page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Batvette#Deletion_review_for_Gang_Stalking
The two news stories were the most probative evidence of nationwide gang stalking to date. One was the only interview with an active duty police officer to publicly speak about gang stalking. The other news story was the only reference to multiple, open felony investigations relating to gang stalking.
Here was the author's response, from the Wikipedia Stalking talk page, to Batvette's perfidious action in deleting the news stories:
User Batvette is making a false distinction between "stalking by groups" and "gang stalking". Gang stalking is simply a different terminology for stalking by groups. The Stalking Report indicates substantial group stalking in America. The FOIA documents referenced in the section on Stalking by Groups indicate 185,050 cases of "group stalking" a.k.a. "gang stalking", i.e., stalking by teams or groups acting in concert. These same FOIA documents enumerate the 185,050 cases into cases of between "3" to "50" stalkers, listing a total for each category of between "3" and "50" stalkers. The "gang stalking" news stories are in fact news stories of stalking by groups. These two stories are both mainstream FOX-syndicated T.V. news stories. Gang stalking by groups of stalkers is affirmed by an active duty police lieutenant from Santa Cruz P.D. in the first story. The second story is an investigative journalist piece confirming multiple, open police investigations of multiple felony crimes in San Antonio related to gang stalking by groups of stalkers.
This response was followed by two Wikipedia "editors" posts that basically stated that the use of "gang stalking" implied conspiracy theories, and, "sensationalist" tabloid-style news. This is contradicted by the fact that both FOX-syndicated news stories were mainstream, and, were both supported by police statement confirmation in both California and Texas. Also, eluding the "editors" is the fact that stalking performed by groups necessitates the underlying crime of conspiracy!
The author replied by stressing the solid content of the relevant and highly probative news stories deleted:
Two mainstream news stories have been redacted because of semantics, to wit, the use of the term "gang stalking". These include a public statement by an active duty police lieutenant from Santa Cruz on "gang stalking" by groups. Also included is an investigative journalist news story from San Antonio finding multiple, open felony cases related to "gang stalking" by groups by both local San Antonio police, and, the San Antonio Sheriff's Office. These are both FOX-syndicated news stories. The content being scrubbed is probative, factual in nature and relevant, and, is far from being "sensationalist" or tabloid news. The fact that vast conspiracy theories are affiliated with gang stalking is irrelevant to the value of these two factually-based news stories. There are many academic topics that are mired in conspiracy from the moon landing to the J.F.K. assassination. The litmus test should be the quality and content of the materials redacted, not the conspiracy label.PeaceFrog71 (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Both articles are mainstream media news stories and contain information derived from law enforcement officials. There has been no impeachment of the content of the stories. Batvette's argument that the stories are the residue of "sensationalist" claims is irrelevant. Nothing has been adduced to impeach the credibility of the two news stories citing law enforcement concerns and investigations in both California and Texas. The entire rationale behind the redaction is the use of the term "gang stalking" in both news stories. This term has been adopted for activities of reported group stalking by some law enforcement officials. The redaction based upon the terminology "gang stalking", of otherwise highly probative material on group stalking, is cosmetic and semantic. Suggestion:
Some commentators have used the controversial term "gang stalking" to refer to reported cases of stalking by groups. [ft] PeaceFrog71(talk) 14:46, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
True to form, the control freak editors have barred this author from even arguing his case further on the Stalking talk page, claiming he is guilty of "edit warring".
Here is what Wired.com has to say about the politics of Wikipedia "editing":
http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker?currentPage=all
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anon comment (not verified)at 06:33 on July 13th, 2012
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anon comment (not verified)at 11:45 on July 13th, 2012
www.salon.com/2012/07/13/anonymous_targets_pedophiles/ One of these days, it will be gang stalkers.
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anon comment (not verified)at 11:46 on July 13th, 2012
www.salon.com/2012/07/13/anonymous_targets_pedophiles/ One of these days, it will be gang stalkers.
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In a nutshell (not verified)at 12:32 on July 13th, 2012
About bullying, Charles Blow, of the NY Times, wrote: "...bullying has become boilerplate. Hiss and taunt. Tease and intimidate. Target your enemies and torture them mercilessly. Maintain primacy through predation.......bullying has become boilerplate. Hiss and taunt. Tease and intimidate. Target your enemies and torture them mercilessly. Maintain primacy through predation."----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Gang stalking runs counter to the rule of law and Constitution. Those participating are traitors, engaging in a sort of domestic terrorism. As the Santa Cruz CA, KION news story states (and as many targets know), GS is "bullying on steroids." It has to stop.
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Reposting (not verified)at 20:49 on July 13th, 2012
"Batvette wrote at 04:22 on November 15th, 2011--"I'll discredit one life story at a time if need be.--Where is yours?"------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------( Batvette is here to discredit. Batvette has an agenda. Readers have a right to know. Batvette's comment was posted to the article "How Widespread is Gang Stalking?" (by PeaceFrog) --- nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking"
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Will the real batvette please stand up (not verified)at 21:04 on July 13th, 2012
BATVETTE said, while talking out of the other side of his mouth, regarding getting info posted to Wiki's stalking page. He wrote this in Feb of 2011, I believe: "If we want to get it in there is only one way.............................Get a lot of TI's- like several dozen or more- to open accounts, and establish verifiable edit histories for about 6 months on wholly irrelevant topics. They will also have to learm wiki protocol and wiki-lawyering skills.............................Then one can approach the admin who locked the page (the anome) and casually attempt to reintroduce it, we will need some good sources before that is even attempted.............................Then rally everyone and slam his ass and all the meat puppets he will bring into his blocking actions and the resulting RFC's and higher admin actions. It's about consensus at that point and we'll have be sly but forceful. ............................Though all will have to play the stupid game that we have no personal interest and are solely editing with a NPOV.............................It's complete bull.............................and though I don't expect anyone to read all my ranting, this should dispel any notion I am involved with "disinfo" for the program..................................................................................Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gang Stalking: Santa Cruz Police Lieutenant Speaks Out | NowPublic News Coverage www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-santa-cruz-police-lieutenant-speaks-out#ixzz20Q2Tvo1S (Batvette is like an evil Eddie Haskell -- he sucks up to the Wiki folks while on Wiki and bashes them here. I think that the Wiki folks on the stalking page should read this.)
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George P. (not verified)at 04:19 on July 14th, 2012
To repeat what I said earlier: "As PeaceFrog said, in an earlier comment, batvette's goal is "to conceal a fascist social movement pretending to be a victim while discrediting victims and their life stories."
at 04:37 on July 14th, 2012
Sure it is.... which is why the only person here who has taken a TI's story as posted on this site and then used it to discredit him, is Peacefrog.
at 05:01 on July 14th, 2012
POOR BATVETTE, HE'S STUCK WITH HIS OWN INCONSISTENT STATEMENTS REGARDING GANG STALKING.
YOU ARE ALWAYS ASKING FOR AN EXPLANATION. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT CHANGED YOUR STANCE REGARDING GANG STALKING FROM 2009?
NO GANG STALKING VICTIM WOULD EVER HAVE INSTIGATED WIKIPEDIA'S REMOVAL OF THE TERM GANG STALKING AND THE TWO REFERENCED FOX NEWS ARTICLES FROM THE STALKING PAGE.
THESE ARE YOUR WORDS, SO STOP CRYING ABOUT THEM BEING "USED AGAINST YOU":
at 09:25 on March 22nd, 2009
I take a lot of photos too, and have a sign that says "Gangstalking today? you might be on YOUTUBE tommorrow!" in my window. Another says "Organized stalking is a crime, under USC title 18 section 241-(243 if you are a L.E.O.) Explain that to the kids, they're going to ask why DADDY went to PRISON.")
You know they love me for that one.
at 17:58 on June 15th, 2009
I still wonder, though, what's the common denominator here? The way these people do this always seems to be taken from the same textbook of tactics, they aren't all coming up with this on their own. Do they have some kind of recruiting site? Is there some club that picks people?
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Organized Stalking TI's navigate truth and deception on the web | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 2 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/organized-stalking-tis-navigate-truth-and-deception-web#ixzz1yIYIT3rJ
at 07:55 on September 10th, 2009
Those are pretty damning words to speak about anyone. I hear the pay isn't so great and they get some of these guys to do this for meals or gas money? I don't know who is the bigger chump: the perps, or the handlers for overpaying a pittance for such loser help.
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gangstalking TI's (targeted individual's) Manifesto | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 2 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto#ixzz1yIZElpIk
Batvette, (August 16, 2009)
This is a message to the perps in their pickup trucks who like to bright my house, to the neighbors who joined gov't snitch programs, to the members of community steering groups we believe finger us for a slow death sentance, and the architects of this whole concept.
You're haters. It's that simple. You are the enemy of America, and will only cause terrorism against the country to increase, because the world always looked up to us for one fundamental reason: The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. In fact when I enlisted in the military, the first line of the oath states "I swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic". By denying people due process, by committing acts of punishment clearly cruel and unusual, and picking individuals who are feared for their history of speaking out against abuses of authority, YOU endanger that document and what it stands for.
If we're dirtbags, if we're scum you need to put down... what does that make you for having no greater purpose in life but to spend time watching us? A step beneath us, that's for sure. You probably wanted to do this because you see America's future, your hopes, your dreams, slipping away, and wanted to contribute something to your community after 9/11. Fight them terrorists, huh Sparky?
Well there aren't any homegrown terrorists, unless you count yourselves. The DHS filed over 800,000 criminal cases from 2004-2007, and just 12 of them, or .0015% were related to terrorism. It's all a big scam, you're a participant in a command and control scheme, the architects of which are the same corporate elite who sold off America's patents, copyrights and financial assets (including factories) in the '90's and live behind the walls of gated communities, and need you to be their secret police to prevent wide spread civil unrest as it gets much worse economically.
That's right, you aren't saving America from terrorists, you're the last nails in the coffin. You aren't better than us, it's quite the opposite- you could be counted on to follow orders and not question whether they were right or wrong. You aren't the type to take it all in and see the big picture that isn't usually shown to the people. You do your job well because you lack a solid moral compass, are of below average intelligence, and easily fall for faulty ideological mantras.
Above all, you are too timid to stand up and challenge authority when it needs to be challenged. You need to join a group of other like minded twits to indulge your desire to bully and control people, need "empowerment and adventure" (Thanks, Mark Rich) because you can't get it on your own initiative, or need the numbers of a gang to intimidate others. A complete morally decrepit, dimwitted, cowardly pathetic wretch. It takes what, 50, 100 of you to keep one TI down? I'd call that a mismatch. In our favor.
Better than us? Hardly, fact is you are a sociopath. A psychopath, even. What other kind of person would sit in his pickup like you do, in a dark, cold parking lot at night, hoping the target might pop out so you might have the opportunity to drive at him and intimidate him with your headlights? One could even theorize all of this wasn't designed to get rid of us, but use us to keep you busy and focused in life- otherwise you might be torturing small animals, cruising the playgrounds looking for five year olds, and if you weren't parked out there waiting for me it might be outside of your ex wife, girlfriend, or the loan officer who repo'd your ice cream truck.
You may cause my demise, I can't seem to stop that. I've made my situation worse with defiance but I have no regrets as I feel an obligation to obstruct and occupy you as much as humanly possible like a prisoner of war must try to be a pain in the ass to his enemy captors. This delays you introducing your evil activities to the next target, or an existing one will have less of you to apply to their life that day. I will defy you to the end, even as your fascist jackboot crushes my skull to the ground, as it will have my teeth marks in it.
And you and yours, despite your feigned attitudes of disgust as you rid your neighborhoods of another "undesirable" from your midst, will be too dense to recognize the subconscious feelings of envy that you'd been born with as much courage, intestinal fortitude and love for humanity in your whole body as each of us has in a finger. You deserve to live in the world you are creating, one of hatred, conformity, suspicion, and mediocrity, if you are indicative of it maybe it's best to leave it.
I just have one thing left- when they trained you people to do this, which of these came first in the program- was it the castration... or the lobotomy?
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto#ixzz1xUXeCE1N
Do you remember any of your own statements?:
at 23:58 on August 17th, 2009
n my observation in my city, the police participate, and Jiverly Wong, the Binghampton shooter was almost certainly stalked by his local police- his note said "they pull out suddenly in front of my car 32 times, but I did not hit them once" and that's why the issue of him being gangstalked was given little attention- the agency that did the investigation was the one stalking him!
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at 00:50 on September 6th, 2009
I holler out to my perps who are surely listening to everything: If I'm a loser, what are you when your whole life revolves around watchng me? Before our feet hit the ground every morning I'm already winning because you can't let a minute go by without paying attention to me yet I couldn't care less who you are.
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AND... (not verified)at 09:02 on July 14th, 2012
2009 U.S. App. LEXIS 21775,*;332 Fed. Appx. 715
KEITH SALVATORE LABELLA, Plaintiff-Appellant, -v.- FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION and UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Defendants-Appellees.
08-2540-cv
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
332 Fed. Appx. 715; 2009 U.S. App. LEXIS 21775
October 5, 2009, Decided
NOTICE:
PLEASE REFER TO FEDERAL RULES OF APPELLATE PROCEDURE RULE 32.1 GOVERNING THE CITATION TO UNPUBLISHED OPINIONS.
PRIOR HISTORY: [*1]
Appeal from a judgment of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York (Garaufis, J.).
Labella v. FBI, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 37847 (E.D.N.Y., May 8, 2008)
COUNSEL: APPEARING FOR APPELLANT: KEITH SALVATORE LABELLA, Maspeth, New York, Pro se.
APPEARING FOR APPELLEES: F. FRANKLIN AMANAT, Assistant United States Attorney (SUSAN L. RILEY, Assistant United States Attorney, on the brief,) for BENTON J. CAMPBELL, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York.
JUDGES: PRESENT: DENNIS JACOBS, Chief Judge, ROBERT D. SACK, GERARD E. LYNCH, Circuit Judges.
OPINION
SUMMARY ORDER
UPON DUE CONSIDERATION, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED that the judgment of the district court be AFFIRMED.
Plaintiff-Appellant Keith Salvatore Labella ("Labella") appeals from an order of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York (Garaufis, J.), which granted summary judgment to Defendants-Appellees Federal Bureau of Investigation and United States Department of Justice and denied Labella's cross-motion for summary judgment. We assume the parties' familiarity with the underlying facts, the procedural history, and the issues presented for review.
Having reviewed Labella's contentions on appeal and the record of the proceedings below, we affirm [*2] for substantially the reasons stated in the district court's thorough opinion. We find no merit in Labella's arguments.
Accordingly, we hereby AFFIRM the judgment of the district court.
**WE FIND NO MERIT IN LABELLA'S ARGUMENTS**
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AND... (not verified)at 09:14 on July 14th, 2012
What have we learned today children? We have learned at the feet of almighty Peacefrog and his sock-puppets that changing your position any conspiracy agenda as the evidence against such thinking accumulates is bad and worthy of derision, while sticking to the same government conspiracy rant for the same period of time in spite of all the evidence to the contrary is good. To quote the Judges, "WE FIND NO MERIT IN LABELLA'S ARGUMENTS"
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anon observer (not verified)at 06:57 on July 14th, 2012
It's okay for batvette, the great pretender, to actively discredit others, but when the tables are turned on him, he cries foul.
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anonymous, also (not verified)at 07:15 on July 14th, 2012
Isn't this "batvette" character the one who is now claiming that back in 2009 he was "misled?" Easily duped, but now he's the self-appointed mouthpiece for those who are being victimized? LOL. So he's evolved. He's "matured." That's his claim. My guesses? Not very smart? Government shill? Messiah complex? Didn't he make the statement somewhere that he's gonna be the guy to save the day?
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From another thread (not verified)at 08:20 on July 14th, 2012
Commenting on batvette's poor powers of observation (not verified)at 07:53 on July 14th, 2012In the words of Faithless Templar: "So let me see if I have this right, you hate batvette and deride because he made a mistake and later admitted he had been mistaken? Thats called 'maturity' isnt it? You would prefer to keep hammering on while being in the wrong?" --- In this case all we know is that he wasn't a keen observer and has admitted that fact. It's "mature" for him to admit that he was lousy at observation. But that doesn't instill any confidence in his ability to accurately state what is going on with this program. To recap? Okay, it's great that he's matured. But if a person is in his 40's or 50's (batvette) doesn't have good observational skills by his age, that isn't something that's likely to change. That piece of it has nothing to do with maturity.Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gang Stalking: The intentional myth and likely reality. | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 21 www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-intentional-myth-and-likely-reality#ixzz20c8znOpJ
at 09:10 on July 14th, 2012
LOL, too funny. Multiple posts from the same person who sock puppets all of Peacefrog's articles, and all you've got to say is I changed my stance on gang stalking because I was mislead. Well no s h i t, isn't that what I've been telling you?
Where it reaches absurdity is criticizing me for not being a "keen observer" while you're defending one of the most prolific sources of disinformation like that which mislead me.
Why do you keep accusing me of having an agenda of discrediting TI's using their life stories when Peacefrog is obviously the only one doing that?
at 09:52 on July 14th, 2012
Batvette writes
I changed my stance on gang stalking because I was mislead [sic].
BELIEVABLE/CREDIBILITY ZERO
at 09:25 on March 22nd, 2009
I take a lot of photos too, and have a sign that says "Gangstalking today? you might be on YOUTUBE tommorrow!" in my window. Another says "Organized stalking is a crime, under USC title 18 section 241-(243 if you are a L.E.O.) Explain that to the kids, they're going to ask why DADDY went to PRISON.")
You know they love me for that one.
at 17:58 on June 15th, 2009
I still wonder, though, what's the common denominator here? The way these people do this always seems to be taken from the same textbook of tactics, they aren't all coming up with this on their own. Do they have some kind of recruiting site? Is there some club that picks people?
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Organized Stalking TI's navigate truth and deception on the web | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 2 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/organized-stalking-tis-navigate-truth-and-deception-web#ixzz1yIYIT3rJ
at 07:55 on September 10th, 2009
Those are pretty damning words to speak about anyone. I hear the pay isn't so great and they get some of these guys to do this for meals or gas money? I don't know who is the bigger chump: the perps, or the handlers for overpaying a pittance for such loser help.
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gangstalking TI's (targeted individual's) Manifesto | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 2 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto#ixzz1yIZElpIk
Batvette, (August 16, 2009)
This is a message to the perps in their pickup trucks who like to bright my house, to the neighbors who joined gov't snitch programs, to the members of community steering groups we believe finger us for a slow death sentance, and the architects of this whole concept.
You're haters. It's that simple. You are the enemy of America, and will only cause terrorism against the country to increase, because the world always looked up to us for one fundamental reason: The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. In fact when I enlisted in the military, the first line of the oath states "I swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic". By denying people due process, by committing acts of punishment clearly cruel and unusual, and picking individuals who are feared for their history of speaking out against abuses of authority, YOU endanger that document and what it stands for.
If we're dirtbags, if we're scum you need to put down... what does that make you for having no greater purpose in life but to spend time watching us? A step beneath us, that's for sure. You probably wanted to do this because you see America's future, your hopes, your dreams, slipping away, and wanted to contribute something to your community after 9/11. Fight them terrorists, huh Sparky?
Well there aren't any homegrown terrorists, unless you count yourselves. The DHS filed over 800,000 criminal cases from 2004-2007, and just 12 of them, or .0015% were related to terrorism. It's all a big scam, you're a participant in a command and control scheme, the architects of which are the same corporate elite who sold off America's patents, copyrights and financial assets (including factories) in the '90's and live behind the walls of gated communities, and need you to be their secret police to prevent wide spread civil unrest as it gets much worse economically.
That's right, you aren't saving America from terrorists, you're the last nails in the coffin. You aren't better than us, it's quite the opposite- you could be counted on to follow orders and not question whether they were right or wrong. You aren't the type to take it all in and see the big picture that isn't usually shown to the people. You do your job well because you lack a solid moral compass, are of below average intelligence, and easily fall for faulty ideological mantras.
Above all, you are too timid to stand up and challenge authority when it needs to be challenged. You need to join a group of other like minded twits to indulge your desire to bully and control people, need "empowerment and adventure" (Thanks, Mark Rich) because you can't get it on your own initiative, or need the numbers of a gang to intimidate others. A complete morally decrepit, dimwitted, cowardly pathetic wretch. It takes what, 50, 100 of you to keep one TI down? I'd call that a mismatch. In our favor.
Better than us? Hardly, fact is you are a sociopath. A psychopath, even. What other kind of person would sit in his pickup like you do, in a dark, cold parking lot at night, hoping the target might pop out so you might have the opportunity to drive at him and intimidate him with your headlights? One could even theorize all of this wasn't designed to get rid of us, but use us to keep you busy and focused in life- otherwise you might be torturing small animals, cruising the playgrounds looking for five year olds, and if you weren't parked out there waiting for me it might be outside of your ex wife, girlfriend, or the loan officer who repo'd your ice cream truck.
You may cause my demise, I can't seem to stop that. I've made my situation worse with defiance but I have no regrets as I feel an obligation to obstruct and occupy you as much as humanly possible like a prisoner of war must try to be a pain in the ass to his enemy captors. This delays you introducing your evil activities to the next target, or an existing one will have less of you to apply to their life that day. I will defy you to the end, even as your fascist jackboot crushes my skull to the ground, as it will have my teeth marks in it.
And you and yours, despite your feigned attitudes of disgust as you rid your neighborhoods of another "undesirable" from your midst, will be too dense to recognize the subconscious feelings of envy that you'd been born with as much courage, intestinal fortitude and love for humanity in your whole body as each of us has in a finger. You deserve to live in the world you are creating, one of hatred, conformity, suspicion, and mediocrity, if you are indicative of it maybe it's best to leave it.
I just have one thing left- when they trained you people to do this, which of these came first in the program- was it the castration... or the lobotomy?
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto#ixzz1xUXeCE1N
Do you remember any of your own statements?:
at 23:58 on August 17th, 2009
n my observation in my city, the police participate, and Jiverly Wong, the Binghampton shooter was almost certainly stalked by his local police- his note said "they pull out suddenly in front of my car 32 times, but I did not hit them once" and that's why the issue of him being gangstalked was given little attention- the agency that did the investigation was the one stalking him!
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at 00:50 on September 6th, 2009
I holler out to my perps who are surely listening to everything: If I'm a loser, what are you when your whole life revolves around watchng me? Before our feet hit the ground every morning I'm already winning because you can't let a minute go by without paying attention to me yet I couldn't care less who you are.
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at 16:12 on July 14th, 2012
I see and realize now, as PeaceFrog see's and continues to debate in vain really with some other posters who remain staunchly in disbelief of gangstalking activities, that PeaceFrog citing examples from his gangstalking experiences; and really from all his acquired knowledge gained from these gangstalking experiences and his own legal research; that those who haven't been exposed to these types of gangstalking methods themselves (nor may have never even been exposed to any focused and directed level of continued psychological gangstalking repetitive street theater attack) That they will not, and really can not, understand, imagine, or comprehend what these twisted, sadistic, psychological intentionally demeaning and mentally destructive methods are, or how they destroy victims lives. Why some victims go crazy, are committed, or commit suicide. That the victims of these types of gangstalking attacks, aren't all mentally or psychologically sick beforehand. That apparently many different types of individuals are reported as actual victims.
The idea that seems to come out almost exclusively from most 'dissenters' is the fact that none of them have ever themselves experienced specific gangstalking methods or activities; nor have been exposed to the specific signature gangstalking psychological street theater actions themselves. Most of these 'dissenters' really don't realize they have no idea what gangstalking victims are talking about. That because dissenters may have never experienced these activities themselves, it can't be happening or be real. That victims suggesting it must be crazy or in someway delusional. These dissenters don't realize this type of deniability or believability factor is actually designed into this 'gangstalking program' specifically for that purpose. (And has been mentioned and discussed at times before in several gangstalking articles.)
Finally in my opinion and if I may say, in many of PeaceFrog comments and suggested reasons for gangstalking, PeaceFrog isn't being as specific in many of his comments as some dissenters seem to be reading into what he is saying or specifically expressing. Many times, PeaceFrog suggest an idea or comments about an event to elude to different levels of what gangstalking is about. To really follow PeaceFrogs comments, he's speaks about gangstalking activities from being a very long term and high level of exposed victim of it (as am I). PeaceFrog refers to activities or events that those who really don't understand gangstalking tactics or methods, or don't have any specific in depth comprehension of gangstalking actions or activities, won't be able to understand or always follow PeaceFrog meaning fully and accurately.
In my opinion, I'm sure PeaceFrog has actually forgotten more about gangstalking than most 'dissenters' will ever know. From what I've seen and know about gangstalking, PeaceFrog knowledge of 'gangstalking' is broad, in depth, and has long term first hand experience to it.
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anonymouse (not verified)at 17:23 on July 14th, 2012
LOL. That's a joke right? Wipe the brown off your nose dude. No wonder your life smells so shitty!
Here's Peacefrogs and your answers on the GS. Question.
1/ Do you have any verifiable proof of your assertions of a government run and funded nationwide GS program? Answer: Um...No. None.
Question 2/ Can you offer any mitigating circumstances that would lead you to believe in a government run and funded nationwide GS program in spite of the fact that you can not offer any proof? Answer: Well, there's the Zimmerman/Martin case.
Fact check; Martin wasn't gangstalked. Martin was cutting through some back yards in a subdivide with an active Neighborhood Watch Program and his behavior, thought suspicious, brought him attention and further actions involving the two lead to his demise. Zimmerman never knew Martin.
Another Answer; Well then there's the Damon Cooper case.
Fact check; To accept the assumption that Tree Dollar Stores was gangstalking Cooper after firing him,; one would also have to accept Coopers assertion that Tree Dollar Stores would invest millions to build a franchise in Cooper's neighborhood in the hopes that that would "get back at him" for their firing him, because that is Damon Coopers "reason" for attempting to burn down the store he was once employed at. Damon Cooper was a broken individual, and he's not alone out there.
Another Answer: Well there's the Jiverly Wong Case. Even batvette said he was gangstalked.
Fact check. Jiverly Wong blamed every thing that ever happened to him on undercover cops. From people driving on the street in front of him, to every job he lost between moving around the country from NY to Calif., to Canada, back to Calif., back to NY, and in between lost several jobs and got divorced. Rather than being GS by undercover agents it is far more likely Jiverly Wong simply broke. His life was a disaster and he blamed that fact on the unnameable undercover agent. Such stories are hardly uncommon in the offices of mental health practitioners. Second. If Jiverly Wong was so mad at the undercover Police why is it that he chose to shoot up an immigration office and kill new immigrants to the country. People just like he himself not so long ago? Damon Cooper didn't set fire to a 7/11 or a Dunkin Donuts while blaming Tree Dollar Stores for his situation.
Another Answer: Well there's the Jane Clift case.
Fact check. Yes, the Jane Clift case is a legitimate instance of organized 'gangstalking' techniques perpetuated by individuals with in a governing body. However it wasn't the government out to get Jane Clift. It was her Housing Council. And the Police and Judiciary [government] did everything to see that Jane Clift had her day of justice. The Housing Council was ordered to pay her 12,000 pounds and some 500,000 pounds in Court costs. Which is not proof of a government run nationwide GS program here nor there. Any other answers?
Blanket declaration by Peacefrog and his toady The1. "Well then, if you don't accept our definition of GS and accept our interpretation of these events -then you don't know what GS is and never have been a victim of this nationwide gangstalking program run by the US government. We know what's really going on because even with out proof or any factual or verifiable evidence, we know the government is out to get us and are using psychotronic weapons, cell towers, microwave torture, the HAARP installation and FEMA death camps. And asking for evidence or any kind of proof is just you way of seeking to destroy our effort to make all this seem real and credible".
at 07:07 on July 15th, 2012
imo_Ignore this anonymouse (not verified) and any other morons like him. They really don't have a clue what gangstalking is about..Their idea of contributing to these comment treads is mostly to insult or demean the author of this article or other posters comments.. anonymouse (not verified) comments indicate an imposter or fraud at best, or possible perpetrator at worst. anonymouse (not verified) apparently is here only to disrupt, mislead, or skew actual victims focus. Several other dissenters posts follow this same pattern. They are mostly here to only insult and demean. Their ignorance is rather obvious in more than just the subject of gangstalking issues being discussed here.
Replying to these morons will only bring grief and frustration. If they don't understand gangstalking or choose not to learn after several attempts responding to them_let them be. It only becomes a big headache and in most cases a total waste of time to debate it with them. PeaceFrog articles comments section have proven this time and time again.
Dissenters can check their facts all they want, it won't make any difference. These issues and activities of gangstalking aren't defined as 'facts' but only as victims stories who have actually been repeatedly exposed to and experienced actual gangstalking. Unless you have actually experienced 'gangstalking', you will not know what it is. There are no 'facts' you can read about gangstalking written in some book that can be actually defined or debated. Till now, gangstalking is still apparently some undisclosed or covert seemingly massive run government domestic surveillance or harassment psychological initiative designed organized stalking program. Those who haven't experienced it will not realize this. Whether they believe it or not is irrelevant. If they choose not to believe, let them and move on. They are only a waste of time to continue engaging in some debate. They will never understand 'gangstalking' in some debate. I strongly suggest my friend here PeaceFrog consider this_dissenters 'belief' in or approval of gangstalking activities, issues, or it's actual victims stories is not needed..
G/L to all victims of these psychologically sadistic and seemingly criminal human rights violations ! 1
at 09:16 on July 15th, 2012
that PeaceFrog citing examples from his gangstalking experiences;
LOL, when did he do THAT?
none of them have ever themselves experienced specific gangstalking methods or activities; nor have been exposed to the specific signature gangstalking psychological street theater actions themselves.
Like what? Seeing red cars everywhere? Or getting upset because your neighbors left their lawn mower.... on their lawn? Why are you attacking this poster for him having the audacity to inject some common sense into the discussion?
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anonymouse (not verified)at 09:37 on July 15th, 2012
How sad that these posers who claim they are the only ones who really really know what GS is can't defend the BS they write to support their government conspiracy. When it is shown that the government had nothing to do with those people they hold up as examples of victims to their conspiracy they obfuscate and cry that we're only here to disrupt. See my "blanket declaration", BUT the biggest hypocrisy from The 1 toady is his use of the word debate. His only real answer to anyone who doesn't buy into the government conspiracy is "believe or fuck off". Debate. I guess that's why Peacefrog and The 1 sock-puppet and spam multiple identical posting. For the debate. Debate. LOL.
at 10:46 on July 15th, 2012
Batvette writes
I changed my stance on gang stalking because I was mislead [sic].
BELIEVABLE/CREDIBILITY ZERO
at 09:25 on March 22nd, 2009
I take a lot of photos too, and have a sign that says "Gangstalking today? you might be on YOUTUBE tommorrow!" in my window. Another says "Organized stalking is a crime, under USC title 18 section 241-(243 if you are a L.E.O.) Explain that to the kids, they're going to ask why DADDY went to PRISON.")
You know they love me for that one.
at 17:58 on June 15th, 2009
I still wonder, though, what's the common denominator here? The way these people do this always seems to be taken from the same textbook of tactics, they aren't all coming up with this on their own. Do they have some kind of recruiting site? Is there some club that picks people?
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at 07:55 on September 10th, 2009
Those are pretty damning words to speak about anyone. I hear the pay isn't so great and they get some of these guys to do this for meals or gas money? I don't know who is the bigger chump: the perps, or the handlers for overpaying a pittance for such loser help.
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Batvette, (August 16, 2009)
This is a message to the perps in their pickup trucks who like to bright my house, to the neighbors who joined gov't snitch programs, to the members of community steering groups we believe finger us for a slow death sentance, and the architects of this whole concept.
You're haters. It's that simple. You are the enemy of America, and will only cause terrorism against the country to increase, because the world always looked up to us for one fundamental reason: The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. In fact when I enlisted in the military, the first line of the oath states "I swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic". By denying people due process, by committing acts of punishment clearly cruel and unusual, and picking individuals who are feared for their history of speaking out against abuses of authority, YOU endanger that document and what it stands for.
If we're dirtbags, if we're scum you need to put down... what does that make you for having no greater purpose in life but to spend time watching us? A step beneath us, that's for sure. You probably wanted to do this because you see America's future, your hopes, your dreams, slipping away, and wanted to contribute something to your community after 9/11. Fight them terrorists, huh Sparky?
Well there aren't any homegrown terrorists, unless you count yourselves. The DHS filed over 800,000 criminal cases from 2004-2007, and just 12 of them, or .0015% were related to terrorism. It's all a big scam, you're a participant in a command and control scheme, the architects of which are the same corporate elite who sold off America's patents, copyrights and financial assets (including factories) in the '90's and live behind the walls of gated communities, and need you to be their secret police to prevent wide spread civil unrest as it gets much worse economically.
That's right, you aren't saving America from terrorists, you're the last nails in the coffin. You aren't better than us, it's quite the opposite- you could be counted on to follow orders and not question whether they were right or wrong. You aren't the type to take it all in and see the big picture that isn't usually shown to the people. You do your job well because you lack a solid moral compass, are of below average intelligence, and easily fall for faulty ideological mantras.
Above all, you are too timid to stand up and challenge authority when it needs to be challenged. You need to join a group of other like minded twits to indulge your desire to bully and control people, need "empowerment and adventure" (Thanks, Mark Rich) because you can't get it on your own initiative, or need the numbers of a gang to intimidate others. A complete morally decrepit, dimwitted, cowardly pathetic wretch. It takes what, 50, 100 of you to keep one TI down? I'd call that a mismatch. In our favor.
Better than us? Hardly, fact is you are a sociopath. A psychopath, even. What other kind of person would sit in his pickup like you do, in a dark, cold parking lot at night, hoping the target might pop out so you might have the opportunity to drive at him and intimidate him with your headlights? One could even theorize all of this wasn't designed to get rid of us, but use us to keep you busy and focused in life- otherwise you might be torturing small animals, cruising the playgrounds looking for five year olds, and if you weren't parked out there waiting for me it might be outside of your ex wife, girlfriend, or the loan officer who repo'd your ice cream truck.
You may cause my demise, I can't seem to stop that. I've made my situation worse with defiance but I have no regrets as I feel an obligation to obstruct and occupy you as much as humanly possible like a prisoner of war must try to be a pain in the ass to his enemy captors. This delays you introducing your evil activities to the next target, or an existing one will have less of you to apply to their life that day. I will defy you to the end, even as your fascist jackboot crushes my skull to the ground, as it will have my teeth marks in it.
And you and yours, despite your feigned attitudes of disgust as you rid your neighborhoods of another "undesirable" from your midst, will be too dense to recognize the subconscious feelings of envy that you'd been born with as much courage, intestinal fortitude and love for humanity in your whole body as each of us has in a finger. You deserve to live in the world you are creating, one of hatred, conformity, suspicion, and mediocrity, if you are indicative of it maybe it's best to leave it.
I just have one thing left- when they trained you people to do this, which of these came first in the program- was it the castration... or the lobotomy?
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at 23:58 on August 17th, 2009
n my observation in my city, the police participate, and Jiverly Wong, the Binghampton shooter was almost certainly stalked by his local police- his note said "they pull out suddenly in front of my car 32 times, but I did not hit them once" and that's why the issue of him being gangstalked was given little attention- the agency that did the investigation was the one stalking him!
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at 00:50 on September 6th, 2009
I holler out to my perps who are surely listening to everything: If I'm a loser, what are you when your whole life revolves around watchng me? Before our feet hit the ground every morning I'm already winning because you can't let a minute go by without paying attention to me yet I couldn't care less who you are.
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anon com (not verified)at 14:37 on July 14th, 2012
www.thenewamerican.com/tech/computers/item/11235-the-surveillance-state-knowing-every-bit-about-you
at 16:06 on July 14th, 2012
Good article anon com (not verified)..thxs!
The Surveillance State: Knowing Every Bit About You
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anon com (not verified)at 17:51 on July 15th, 2012
www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-privacy.html?_r=1&hpEditorial----------------------- The End of Privacy?--------------- Published: July 14, 2012------------------------------ Cellphones, e-mail, and online social networking have come to rule daily life, but Congress has done nothing to update federal privacy laws to better protect digital communication. That inattention carries a heavy price.-------------------------- Striking new data from wireless carriers collected by Representative Edward Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat, and first reported last week by Eric Lichtblau of The Times, showed surging use of cellphone surveillance over the past five years by law enforcement agencies at every level and for crimes both mundane and serious.------------- Wireless carriers reported responding to a whopping 1.3 million demands from law enforcement agencies for subscriber information, including location data, calling records and text messages. The number of people whose information was turned over is almost certainly much higher because a single request for a cell tower “dump” could sweep in the names of thousands of people connected to a given tower at a certain time.------------------- As cell surveillance has ballooned, federal and local officials have come to rely less on wiretapping to eavesdrop on conversations, probably because cell tracking is less time consuming and less legally difficult to manage. In most cases, law enforcement officers do not need to hear the actual conversation; what they want to know can be discerned from a suspect’s location or travel patterns. And location data can be as revealing of a cellphone owner’s associations, activities and personal tastes as listening in on a conversation, for which a warrant is mandatory.---------------------- As a result, warrants for wiretaps, which are subject to stringent legal standards used for decades, declined by 14 percent last year, to just 2,732 nationwide. The legal standards applied to cell tracking and other forms of digital monitoring are more lax and inconsistently applied, with many law enforcement agencies claiming a right to such data without having to show a compelling need or getting detailed vetting by a court.-------------------------- Clearly, federal laws need to be revamped and brought into line with newer forms of surveillance. A good place to begin is the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, the main federal statute governing access to electronic information. The act has not had a significant overhaul since its passage in 1986.---------------------------------- Senator Patrick Leahy, the Judiciary Committee chairman and lead author of the 1986 law, introduced a promising bill last year that would amend it in important, sensible ways. It would require a probable cause warrant for access to e-mails and other electronic communications no matter how long they were saved or where they were saved, whether in a personal computer or an online storage system. Under current law, there is no warrant requirement after an e-mail has been stored for 180 days. Electronic correspondence deserves no less protection than letters kept in a drawer. The government would still be free to access blog postings and other publicly available content, and exceptions to the warrant requirement would remain for emergencies and intelligence investigations. Similarly, existing law requires a warrant for the government to access photos, calendars and other private data stored on laptops or desktop computers at home, but not for the same files stored with a service provider in the “cloud.” The Leahy bill would also provide some protection for location information from cellphones or GPS systems, though probably not enough. It would require a warrant for law enforcement agencies to access real-time location data, but not past location records. The warrant rule should cover both, the sensible standard in a bipartisan location privacy bill offered in the House by Jason Chaffetz, a Utah Republican, and in the Senate by Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat.----------------------------- Both the Leahy bill and the location privacy bill break away from the traditional “third-party doctrine,” which says there is no reasonable expectation of privacy if the information is held by third parties, like the cell carriers. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court shied away from eliminating that doctrine when it rightly ruled this year that having the police attach a GPS device to a car constitutes a “search” under the Fourth Amendment. The Leahy bill has not attracted any Republican co-sponsors. That is all the more reason to put it before the Judiciary Committee and begin a debate on this critical issue.
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anon com (not verified)at 17:59 on July 15th, 2012
Fact: "batvette" and "anonymouse" are on the wrong side of history. (Maybe they know it and maybe they don't.) I agree that engaging with them is a waste of time, given that they clearly aren't interested in either the truth or the facts.
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anonymouse (not verified)at 22:01 on July 15th, 2012
Once more the "I ain't got no answer crowd" declare a fact based on zero evidence.. How can you determine what side of history anyone's on when there are no facts backing up your conspiracy. Your claims have no validity; like your conspiracy. You are history. Life is passing you by while you cower in the basement having guilty sexual fantasies about secret agents who touch you in your sleep and fondle your delicates.
at 20:20 on July 15th, 2012
Yet strangely enough you respond to every single one of their posts.......well its your time to waste I guess.
It is however highly amusing to watch peacefag deal the same hand again and again as if it some kind of winning argument. But I suppose since he has had his arguments ripped to shreds all year, both here and getting laughed out of court , he will be getting desperate.
I also notice the 1 has finally caved in to the tedious self-absorbtion that plagues so many of his fellow government conspiracy pals. It is quite obvious that fearing the government is out to get you goes hand in hand with a massive ego.
at 02:04 on July 16th, 2012
It is quite obvious that fearing the government is out to get you goes hand in hand with a massive ego.
I'm no expert in psychology but it's the worst kept secret that a symptom of perscutory delusions is that virtually the whole world is easily corrupted and is of the lowest moral fiber while yours are pure and unimpeachable. This goes hand in glove with people who are absolutely sure the government pulled off 9/11, despite the probable tens of thousands of people who'd have to be involved, they can easily rationalize their complete silence by figuring the Bush/Cheney cabal could pay them a pittance. This same attitude holds that 99% of those in professions who would be qualified to dissect the NIST report and find fault with it do not do so because they lack "moxie" or the backbone to stand up an speak out, while twoofers mistake their ignorance for enlightenment the "sheeple" lack and have the courage to get their message out to the world. So yes I guess ego has something to do with it, maybe better described as arrogance and ignorance combined. I think it's bizarre that anyone would be on a crusade to get recognition for alleged crimes they claim are happening to them and desire action and justice for these things yet refuse to ever furnish a single detail about them as they experience it themselves. How f u c k ing stupid is that? It's obvious the whole thing is about getting recognition from the public or authorities that these things really COULD be happening to SOMEONE ELSE right now and when this is accomplished they can say to family and friends "look, see it could be happening to me too!" If it were really happening to them there would be no interest in forwarding an agenda of this as a group but seeing their own victimization addressed and dealt with first. So what you got here is a bunch of crazies who, for sake of their own selfish vanity, hijack someone else's problem and throw them under the bus and have it go on forever just so they don't have admit what all their family and friends know already. I don't know what the hell the things I've witnessed add up to but I've never been shy about being candid about them and if the whole thing turned out to be in my own head I'd be jumping for joy as it would be a hell of a lot easier to deal with that than it would be to take down some national/global conspiracy with every agency under the sun involved. I can say that, they won't consider it for a second.
You tell me who's nuts. And for you "gov't's out to get me" people, that's no question for you.
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observing here (not verified)at 04:58 on July 16th, 2012
I guess there never was a program called MK-ULTRA. And COINTELPRO was a figment of the imagination, as well. And let's see, there were (and probably still are) Red Squads.