Gang Stalking: Wikipedia's Agent Provocateurs & Cyber trolls

by PeaceFrog | July 10, 2012 at 07:57 am
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     Wikipedia scrubbed the information that this author added to its stalking page. This included deleting a reference to gang stalking under the Stalking by Groups subsection. It also included scrubbing two FOX-syndicated news stories on gang stalking. The first story scrubbed was the KION interview with Santa Cruz P.D. Lieutenant Larry Richard on the subject of "gang stalking" by groups. The second story scrubbed was the KENS-5 San Antonio investigative journalist piece confirming multiple open felony investigations related to gang stalking by groups by both the local San Antonio police and the San Antonio Sheriff's Office. This information had been on the Wikkipedia Stalking page since December, 2011. The scrubbing was instigated by government agent provocateur "Batvette" using the same moniker on Wikipedia as on NowPublic.

     When this author attempted to reinstate the two FOX news stories, other Wikipedia "editors" sprang into action, and, retaliated by removing this author's links to official Department of Justice documents he obtained under the F.O.I.A., about stalking by groups that were working together as teams. These F.O.I.A. documents were tenured on the Wikipedia Stalking page for over ONE YEAR.

     This is the Wikipedia Stalking article before the censorship occurred: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stalking&diff=prev&oldid=501435716#Stalking_by_groups

      This is the current Wikipedia page after the scrubbing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking#Stalking_by_groups

      Here is the Wikipedia talk page on gang stalking explaining the "rationale" behind the scrubbing redaction "edits":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AStalking#US_DOJ_report_on_Stalking_Victimization_in_the_US.2F_implied_to_indicate_.22gang_stalking.22

      In order to follow the rest of the discussion, please read the subsection "US DOJ Report on Stalking Victimization in the US / implied to indicate "gang stalking"" linked above.

     The first paragraph comes to the bogus conclusion that because stalking by groups is not referred to specifically as "gang stalking" in the DOJ stalking materials, the use of the term "gang stalking" in the above-referenced FOX news pieces makes the activity of "gang stalking" different than "stalking by groups". This is purely a semantic and cosmetic difference that would be quickly understood by any "editor" at Wikipedia who was neither a government agent provocateur, nor lobotomized. 

     The second paragraph in the link above, as well as, Batvette's talk page on Wikipedia "deletion review for gang stalking" subsection, linked below, make it clear that government agent provocateur Batvette (the same government agent provocateur Batvette on NowPublic) initiated the deletion of the two FOX news stories on gang stalking from the Wikipedia Stalking page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Batvette#Deletion_review_for_Gang_Stalking

      The two news stories were the most probative evidence of nationwide gang stalking to date. One was the only interview with an active duty police officer to publicly speak about gang stalking. The other news story was the only reference to multiple, open felony investigations relating to gang stalking. 

      Here was the author's response, from the Wikipedia Stalking talk page, to Batvette's perfidious action in deleting the news stories:

User Batvette is making a false distinction between "stalking by groups" and "gang stalking". Gang stalking is simply a different terminology for stalking by groups. The Stalking Report indicates substantial group stalking in America. The FOIA documents referenced in the section on Stalking by Groups indicate 185,050 cases of "group stalking" a.k.a. "gang stalking", i.e., stalking by teams or groups acting in concert. These same FOIA documents enumerate the 185,050 cases into cases of between "3" to "50" stalkers, listing a total for each category of between "3" and "50" stalkers. The "gang stalking" news stories are in fact news stories of stalking by groups. These two stories are both mainstream FOX-syndicated T.V. news stories. Gang stalking by groups of stalkers is affirmed by an active duty police lieutenant from Santa Cruz P.D. in the first story. The second story is an investigative journalist piece confirming multiple, open police investigations of multiple felony crimes in San Antonio related to gang stalking by groups of stalkers.

     This response was followed by two Wikipedia "editors" posts that basically stated that the use of "gang stalking" implied conspiracy theories, and, "sensationalist" tabloid-style news. This is contradicted by the fact that both FOX-syndicated news stories were mainstream, and, were both supported by police statement confirmation in both California and Texas. Also, eluding the "editors" is the fact that stalking performed by groups necessitates the underlying crime of conspiracy!

     The author replied by stressing the solid content of the relevant and highly probative news stories deleted:

Two mainstream news stories have been redacted because of semantics, to wit, the use of the term "gang stalking". These include a public statement by an active duty police lieutenant from Santa Cruz on "gang stalking" by groups. Also included is an investigative journalist news story from San Antonio finding multiple, open felony cases related to "gang stalking" by groups by both local San Antonio police, and, the San Antonio Sheriff's Office. These are both FOX-syndicated news stories. The content being scrubbed is probative, factual in nature and relevant, and, is far from being "sensationalist" or tabloid news. The fact that vast conspiracy theories are affiliated with gang stalking is irrelevant to the value of these two factually-based news stories. There are many academic topics that are mired in conspiracy from the moon landing to the J.F.K. assassination. The litmus test should be the quality and content of the materials redacted, not the conspiracy label.PeaceFrog71 (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Both articles are mainstream media news stories and contain information derived from law enforcement officials. There has been no impeachment of the content of the stories. Batvette's argument that the stories are the residue of "sensationalist" claims is irrelevant. Nothing has been adduced to impeach the credibility of the two news stories citing law enforcement concerns and investigations in both California and Texas. The entire rationale behind the redaction is the use of the term "gang stalking" in both news stories. This term has been adopted for activities of reported group stalking by some law enforcement officials. The redaction based upon the terminology "gang stalking", of otherwise highly probative material on group stalking, is cosmetic and semantic. Suggestion:

Some commentators have used the controversial term "gang stalking" to refer to reported cases of stalking by groups. [ft] PeaceFrog71(talk) 14:46, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

     True to form, the control freak editors have barred this author from even arguing his case further on the Stalking talk page, claiming he is guilty of "edit warring".

     Here is what Wired.com has to say about the politics of Wikipedia "editing":

http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker?currentPage=all

WELCOME TO CYBER 1984


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PeaceFrog

EXPLAIN THESE PERSECUTORY DELUSIONS "BATVETTE":

Batvette at 09:25 on March 22nd, 2009

I take a lot of photos too, and have a sign that says "Gangstalking  today? you might be on YOUTUBE tommorrow!" in my window. Another says "Organized stalking is a crime, under USC title 18 section 241-(243 if  you are a L.E.O.) Explain that to the kids, they're going to ask why DADDY went to PRISON.")

You know they love me for that one.

at 17:58 on June 15th, 2009
I still wonder, though, what's the common denominator here? The way these people do this always seems to be taken from the same textbook of tactics, they aren't all coming up with this on their own. Do they have some kind of recruiting site? Is there some club that picks people?

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at 07:55 on September 10th, 2009


Those are pretty damning words to speak about anyone. I hear the pay isn't so great and they get some of these guys to do this for meals or gas money? I don't know who is the bigger chump: the perps, or the handlers for overpaying a pittance for such loser help.

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Batvette, (August 16, 2009)

 This is a message to the perps in their pickup trucks who like to bright my house, to the neighbors who joined gov't snitch programs, to the members of community steering groups we believe finger us for a slow death sentance, and the architects of this whole concept.

You're haters. It's that simple. You are the enemy of America, and will only cause terrorism against the country to increase, because the world always looked up to us for one fundamental reason: The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. In fact when I enlisted in the military, the first line of the oath states "I swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic".  By denying people due process, by committing acts of punishment clearly cruel and unusual, and picking individuals who are feared for their history of speaking out against abuses of authority, YOU endanger that document and what it stands for.


If we're dirtbags, if we're scum you need to put down...  what does that make you for having no greater purpose in life but to spend time watching us? A step beneath us, that's for sure. You probably wanted to do this because you see America's future, your hopes, your dreams, slipping away, and wanted to contribute something to your community after 9/11. Fight them terrorists, huh Sparky?


Well there aren't any homegrown terrorists, unless you count yourselves. The DHS filed over 800,000 criminal cases from 2004-2007, and just 12 of them, or .0015% were related to terrorism. It's all a big scam, you're a participant in a command and control scheme, the architects of which are the same corporate elite who sold off America's patents, copyrights and financial assets (including factories) in the '90's and live behind the walls of gated communities, and need you to be their secret police to prevent wide spread civil unrest as it gets much worse economically.


That's right, you aren't saving America from terrorists, you're the last nails in the coffin. You aren't better than us, it's quite the opposite-  you could be counted on to follow orders and not question whether they were right or wrong.  You aren't the type to take it all in and see the big picture that isn't usually shown to the people.  You do your job well because you lack a solid moral compass, are of below average intelligence, and easily fall for faulty ideological mantras.


Above all, you are too timid to stand up and challenge authority when it needs to be challenged. You need to join a group of other like minded twits to indulge your desire to bully and control people, need "empowerment and adventure" (Thanks, Mark Rich) because you can't get it on your own initiative, or need the numbers of a gang to intimidate others.   A complete morally decrepit, dimwitted, cowardly pathetic wretch.  It takes what, 50, 100 of you to keep one TI down? I'd call that a mismatch. In our favor.


Better than us? Hardly, fact is you are a sociopath. A psychopath, even. What other kind of person would sit in his pickup like you do, in a dark, cold parking lot at night, hoping the target might pop out so you might have the opportunity to drive at him and intimidate him with your headlights? One could even theorize all of this wasn't designed to get rid of us, but use us to keep you busy and focused in life-  otherwise you might be torturing small animals, cruising the playgrounds looking for five year olds, and if you weren't parked out there waiting for me it might be outside of your ex wife, girlfriend, or the loan officer who repo'd your ice cream truck.  


You may cause my demise, I can't seem to stop that. I've made my situation worse with defiance but I have no regrets as I feel an obligation to obstruct and occupy you as much as humanly possible like a prisoner of war must try to be a pain in the ass to his enemy captors. This delays you introducing your evil activities to the next target, or an existing one will have less of you to apply to their life that day.  I will defy you to the end, even as your fascist jackboot crushes my skull to the ground, as it will have my teeth marks in it.


And you and yours, despite your feigned attitudes of disgust as you rid your neighborhoods of another "undesirable" from your midst, will be too dense to recognize the subconscious feelings of envy that you'd been born with as much courage, intestinal fortitude and love for humanity in your whole body as each of us has in a finger. You deserve to live in the world you are creating, one of hatred, conformity, suspicion, and mediocrity, if you are indicative of it maybe it's best to leave it.


I just have one thing left- when they trained you people to do this, which of these came first in the program- was it the castration...    or the lobotomy?



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Do you remember any of your own statements?:

at 23:58 on August 17th, 2009

n my observation in my city, the police participate, and Jiverly Wong, the Binghampton shooter was almost certainly stalked by his local police- his note said "they pull out suddenly in front of my car 32 times, but I  did not hit them once" and that's why the issue of him being gangstalked was given little attention- the agency that did the investigation was the one stalking him!

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at 00:50 on September 6th, 2009

I holler out to my perps who are surely listening to everything:  If I'm a loser, what are you when your whole life revolves around watchng me?  Before our feet hit the ground every morning I'm already winning because you can't let a minute go by without paying attention to me yet I couldn't care less who you are.

 



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batvette

Is there a point you're trying to make here or are you spamming again? 

Spamming is what trolls do to divert discussions. 

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another observer

Ah, yes... from the "not-too-bright (or worse) batvette":   "And for you "gov't's out to get me" people...", he (batvette) writes.   Well, batvette, please tell it to Thomas Drake,  Russell Tice, Bill Binney, or Kirk Wiebe, to name just a few of those who have a pretty good understanding of our "gov'ts" capabilities, when it decides that it wants to destroy someone.

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batvette

Please tell us exactly what it is the government is doing to destroy you. 

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What's it all about, Alfie?

Another gem, brought to us by the joker "batvette."  Here it is:  "... if the whole thing turned out to be in my own head I'd be jumping for joy..."   He has said that he was misled a couple of years back and, over the past couple of years, has come to that realization.  I'm sensing that batvette is about to have another revelation.   Now he's moving in the direction of, "Well, maybe I'm just crazy.  And, oh, what a relief it would be to know that I'm a mad man."  Before long we'll be hearing from batvette that he's been "diagnosed", is taking antipsychotics, blah, blah, blah... and is ever so relieved to know that is was all in his little head.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxLOL, batvette.  So this is about "persecutory delusions", is it?  The only delusional ones are those who are denying this sadistic program.  NSA's spotters are the American Stasi.  Those running this gig want people to believe that victims are delusional -- that's the way it works.  So you were "mislead" (sic) before and now you're saying that it just might be that you're delusional.  Jesus, you're really a piece of.... work... 

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PeaceFrog

FAITHLESS AND DUMB,

David Kaplan of California's Center for Investigative Reporting called COINTELPRO "the largest known program yet in domestic suverillance." Kaplan observed that "between 1965 and 1975, the FBI opened more than 500,000 intelligence files on more than one million Americans, according to a Congressional report....Among the Bureau's targets: Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement, anti-Vietnam War Groups, and the underground press."

According to attorney Brian Glick in his book War at Home, the FBI used four main methods during COINTELPRO:

  • 1. Infiltration: Agents and informers did not merely spy on political activists. Their main purpose was to discredit and disrupt. Their very presence served to undermine trust and scare off potential supporters. The FBI and police exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents.
  • 2. Psychological Warfare From the Outside: The FBI and police used myriad other "dirty tricks" to undermine progressive movements. They planted false media stories and published bogus leaflets and other publications in the name of targeted groups. They forged correspondence, sent anonymous letters, and made anonymous telephone calls. They spread misinformation about meetings and events, set up pseudo movement groups run by government agents, and manipulated or strong-armed parents, employers, landlords, school officials and others to cause trouble for activists.
  • 3. Harassment Through the Legal System: The FBI and police abused the legal system to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals. Officers of the law gave perjured testimony and presented fabricated evidence as a pretext for false arrests and wrongful imprisonment. They discriminatorily enforced tax laws and other government regulations and used conspicuous surveillance, "investigative" interviews, and grand jury subpoenas in an effort to intimidate activists and silence their supporters.
  • 4. Extralegal Force and Violence: The FBI and police threatened, instigated, and themselves conducted break-ins, vandalism, assaults, and beatings. The object was to frighten dissidents and disrupt their movements. In the case of radical Black and Puerto Rican activists (and later Native Americans), these attacks—including political assassinations—were so extensive, vicious, and calculated that they can accurately be termed a form of official "terrorism."

 


What Was COINTELPRO?

A Short Overview

FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover initiated COINTELPRO, the acronym given the FBI's Counterintelligence Program, in August 1956.

COINTELPRO was designed to "increase factionalism, cause disruption and win defections" inside the Communist Party U.S.A. The FBI program was later enlarged to include disruption of the Socialist Workers Party (1961), the Ku Klux Klan (1964), Black nationalist groups such as the Black Panther Party and the Nation of Islam (1967), and the entire New Left, including community and religious groups (1968).

According to the Church Committee:

While the declared purposes of these programs were to protect the "national security" or prevent violence, Bureau witnesses admit that many of the targets were nonviolent and most had no connections with a foreign power. Indeed, nonviolent organizations and individuals were targeted because the Bureau believed they represented a "potential" for violence -- and nonviolent citizens who were against the war in Vietnam were targeted because they gave "aid and comfort" to violent demonstrators by lending respectability to their cause.
The imprecision of the targeting is demonstrated by the inability of the Bureau to define the subjects of the programs. The Black Nationalist program, according to its supervisor, included "a great number of organizations that you might not today characterize as black nationalist but which were in fact primarily black." Thus, the nonviolent Southern Christian Leadership Conference was labeled as a Black Nationalist-"Hate Group."
Furthermore, the actual targets were chosen from a far broader group than the titles of the programs would imply. The CPUSA program targeted not only Communist Party members but also sponsors of the National Committee to Abolish the House Un-American Activities Committee and civil rights leaders allegedly under Communist influence or not deemed to be "anti-Communist". The Socialist Workers Party program included non-SWP sponsors of antiwar demonstrations which were cosponsored by the SWP or the Young Socialist Alliance, its youth group. The Black Nationalist program targeted a range of organizations from the Panthers to SNCC to the peaceful Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and included every Black Student Union and many other black student groups. New Left targets ranged from the SDS to the InterUniversity Committee for Debate on Foreign Policy, from Antioch College ("vanguard of the New Left") to the New Mexico Free University and other "alternate" schools, and from underground newspapers to students' protesting university censorship of a student publication by carrying signs with four-letter words on them.



http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/Feds/cointelpro.html#what






Many of the techniques used would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all of the targets had been involved in violent activity, but COINTELPRO went far beyond that...the Bureau conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights of speech and association, on the theory that preventing the growth of dangerous groups and the propagation of dangerous ideas would protect the national security and deter violence.


-Final Report of the Church Committee




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anonymously given

Thank you, PeaceFrog.  (Well-articulated, as usual.)

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anonymouse

Peacefrog says, "My proof the government is out to get ME is that COINTELPRO existed". LOL.

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PeaceFrog

anonymouse:

      Learn to READ:

"between 1965 and 1975, the FBI opened more than 500,000 intelligence files on more than one million Americans..."


http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/Feds/cointelpro.html#what







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anonymouse

And you should learn the difference between the past and present. What was COINTELPRO and just who the FBI targeted for investigation doesn't prove that today you are a COINTELPRO target or that the government is out to get you. Not unless you are engaging in like activities that could be construed as acts against national security, government, their offices and agencies. Also you neglect to mention that most of those files they opened were soon closed due to lack of evidence that would prove the initial suspicion. The actual "COINTELPRO" was conducted on very few, the most notable anti-government/anti-American groups or individuals during the height of the cold war and anti-communism/socialism. Not only should you learn to read, you should learn the value of context when supplying "old news" as proof to your today's anti-government conspiracy agenda.

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The 1

This sounds like gang-stalking defined..

"the Bureau conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights of speech and association, on the theory that preventing the growth of dangerous groups and the propagation of dangerous ideas would protect the national security and deter violence."

"Bureau witnesses admit that many of the targets were nonviolent and most had no connections with a foreign power. Indeed, nonviolent organizations and individuals were targeted because the Bureau believed they represented a "potential" for violence -- and nonviolent citizens who were against the war in Vietnam were targeted because they gave "aid and comfort" to violent demonstrators by lending respectability to their cause."

Thanks for that PeaceFrog! 

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miggyj22hope

The United States government is conducting a large scale psyop on people that are in certain positions. This includes the media, law enforcement and the military. People have taken advantage and have been given the green light to go wild. A crime wave involving many street gangs, cartels, para milatry, government, and terrorist has gone on. We have to stay informed and take note, and whenever possible take action aginst this type of behavior....

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The 1

Thanks for that comment  miggyj22hope (not verified)

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just observing

I see that Larry, Curly and Moe were here.

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just observing, too

LOL.  Or as I like to call them, "The 3 Bubbas."

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PeaceFrog

FAITHLESS AND DUMB:


"between 1965 and 1975, the FBI opened more than 500,000 intelligence files on more than one million Americans..."


http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/Feds/cointelpro.html#what




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The 1

As I've mentioned before, some dissenters here sound more like actual psyop perpetrators than gang-stalking victims. Their purpose seemingly is only to disrupt or discredit other posters comments.

As for my friend batvette, I believe he was actually stalked by what is currently referred to as 'stalking by proxy' or 'proximity stalking'. Not gang-stalking as he may have first thought. batvette is very methodical, articulate, and detail oriented. Knowing and reading batvettes responses, it's clear he wasn't exposed to any widespread type repetitive  sensitization gang-stalking activities, methods, technics, or tactics. That knowing batvettes methodical approach and detailed observational skills; especially of others possibly observing him within some possible stalking situation; that batvette would have quickly realized the repetitive nature of gang-stalking signature style psychological and method driven technics if exposed. That if batvette had actually been gang-stalked, he would definitely recognized those methods and technics over time.

Gang-stalking revolves around and includes specific repetitive sensitization street theater events that I am sure someone like batvette would of had no problem identifying if he himself were exposed to those activities and methods for any length of time. That if batvette now believes he may have been mistaken about being 'gang-stalked', let me again suggest that how and what batvette describes as being stalked and harassed in the past actually suggest stalking by some local group of individuals (proximity stalking). Individuals that just may have wanted to harass him what whatever personal reasons locally. I assume that stalking activity has stopped nor was widespread everywhere batvette went..

Again G/L_ 1


Of interest:

Covert conditioning

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batvette

So you believe that in the US right now, millions of perpetrators are involved in psychological sensitization programs to destroy hundreds of thousands of targets by merely jangling keys, wearing red shirts, and leaving lawn mowers on their lawns, things like that. 

Describe a day in the life of a real target, as you have witnessed. 

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PeaceFrog

NO, YOU "BATVETTE" DESCRIBE A DAY IN THE LIFE OF A FORMER TI THAT WAS YOURSELF:

at 09:25 on March 22nd, 2009

I take a lot of photos too, and have a sign that says "Gangstalking  today? you might be on YOUTUBE tommorrow!" in my window. Another says "Organized stalking is a crime, under USC title 18 section 241-(243 if  you are a L.E.O.) Explain that to the kids, they're going to ask why DADDY went to PRISON.")

You know they love me for that one.

at 17:58 on June 15th, 2009
I still wonder, though, what's the common denominator here? The way these people do this always seems to be taken from the same textbook of tactics, they aren't all coming up with this on their own. Do they have some kind of recruiting site? Is there some club that picks people?

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at 07:55 on September 10th, 2009


Those are pretty damning words to speak about anyone. I hear the pay isn't so great and they get some of these guys to do this for meals or gas money? I don't know who is the bigger chump: the perps, or the handlers for overpaying a pittance for such loser help.

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Batvette, (August 16, 2009)

 This is a message to the perps in their pickup trucks who like to bright my house, to the neighbors who joined gov't snitch programs, to the members of community steering groups we believe finger us for a slow death sentance, and the architects of this whole concept.

You're haters. It's that simple. You are the enemy of America, and will only cause terrorism against the country to increase, because the world always looked up to us for one fundamental reason: The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. In fact when I enlisted in the military, the first line of the oath states "I swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic".  By denying people due process, by committing acts of punishment clearly cruel and unusual, and picking individuals who are feared for their history of speaking out against abuses of authority, YOU endanger that document and what it stands for.


If we're dirtbags, if we're scum you need to put down...  what does that make you for having no greater purpose in life but to spend time watching us? A step beneath us, that's for sure. You probably wanted to do this because you see America's future, your hopes, your dreams, slipping away, and wanted to contribute something to your community after 9/11. Fight them terrorists, huh Sparky?


Well there aren't any homegrown terrorists, unless you count yourselves. The DHS filed over 800,000 criminal cases from 2004-2007, and just 12 of them, or .0015% were related to terrorism. It's all a big scam, you're a participant in a command and control scheme, the architects of which are the same corporate elite who sold off America's patents, copyrights and financial assets (including factories) in the '90's and live behind the walls of gated communities, and need you to be their secret police to prevent wide spread civil unrest as it gets much worse economically.


That's right, you aren't saving America from terrorists, you're the last nails in the coffin. You aren't better than us, it's quite the opposite-  you could be counted on to follow orders and not question whether they were right or wrong.  You aren't the type to take it all in and see the big picture that isn't usually shown to the people.  You do your job well because you lack a solid moral compass, are of below average intelligence, and easily fall for faulty ideological mantras.


Above all, you are too timid to stand up and challenge authority when it needs to be challenged. You need to join a group of other like minded twits to indulge your desire to bully and control people, need "empowerment and adventure" (Thanks, Mark Rich) because you can't get it on your own initiative, or need the numbers of a gang to intimidate others.   A complete morally decrepit, dimwitted, cowardly pathetic wretch.  It takes what, 50, 100 of you to keep one TI down? I'd call that a mismatch. In our favor.


Better than us? Hardly, fact is you are a sociopath. A psychopath, even. What other kind of person would sit in his pickup like you do, in a dark, cold parking lot at night, hoping the target might pop out so you might have the opportunity to drive at him and intimidate him with your headlights? One could even theorize all of this wasn't designed to get rid of us, but use us to keep you busy and focused in life-  otherwise you might be torturing small animals, cruising the playgrounds looking for five year olds, and if you weren't parked out there waiting for me it might be outside of your ex wife, girlfriend, or the loan officer who repo'd your ice cream truck.  


You may cause my demise, I can't seem to stop that. I've made my situation worse with defiance but I have no regrets as I feel an obligation to obstruct and occupy you as much as humanly possible like a prisoner of war must try to be a pain in the ass to his enemy captors. This delays you introducing your evil activities to the next target, or an existing one will have less of you to apply to their life that day.  I will defy you to the end, even as your fascist jackboot crushes my skull to the ground, as it will have my teeth marks in it.


And you and yours, despite your feigned attitudes of disgust as you rid your neighborhoods of another "undesirable" from your midst, will be too dense to recognize the subconscious feelings of envy that you'd been born with as much courage, intestinal fortitude and love for humanity in your whole body as each of us has in a finger. You deserve to live in the world you are creating, one of hatred, conformity, suspicion, and mediocrity, if you are indicative of it maybe it's best to leave it.


I just have one thing left- when they trained you people to do this, which of these came first in the program- was it the castration...    or the lobotomy?



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at 23:58 on August 17th, 2009

In my observation in my city, the police participate, and Jiverly Wong, the Binghampton shooter was almost certainly stalked by his local police- his note said "they pull out suddenly in front of my car 32 times, but I  did not hit them once" and that's why the issue of him being gangstalked was given little attention- the agency that did the investigation was the one stalking him!

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at 00:50 on September 6th, 2009

I holler out to my perps who are surely listening to everything:  If I'm a loser, what are you when your whole life revolves around watchng me?  Before our feet hit the ground every morning I'm already winning because you can't let a minute go by without paying attention to me yet I couldn't care less who you are.

 



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batvette

Why do you keep spamming these articles with the sole intent of trying to discredit me? What are you trying to hide here? 

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PeaceFrog

     NOT TRYING TO 'HIDE' ANYTHING "BATVETTE"; I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECONCILE YOUR WILDLY DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS FROM 2009 TO PRESENT.
     DON'T INSULT THE READERS' INTELLIGENCE BY STATING THAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE "EVOLVED" OR YOU WERE MISLED. YOUR ACCOUNT CHANGED COMPLETELY "NIGHT AND DAY": PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!!!!!

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The 1

Thanks for the response and question batvette..

One thing that one must first try and realize is why the examples you gave "jangling keys, wearing red shirts, and leaving lawn mowers on their lawns"  might possibly have been in someway playing into a victims thoughts and psyche making them believe that because of those suggested examples, that they are indeed being harassed and gangstalked. This comes only after repeated and long term exposure to specific gangstalking psychological sensitization methods. That why the actual 'psychological sensitization' component in gangstalking is such an important factor and method used and implemented to manipulate and effect gangstalking victims minds, logic, and emotional spirit.

As a possible example, let me suggest what one 'gangstalking victim' might have experienced from actual gangstalking technics that would lead to them to believe in the examples you've suggested.

Lets take the red shirt for example..

Specific gangstalking directed towards a victim can be very similar to this..

On lets say specific days of the week a targeted individual might be exposed to repeated individuals walking by them in an unusual large numbers all wearing red shirts. This may only seem a bit odd if it happens once, but lets say the victim is exposed to this activity every monday, wed, friday, for three months straight wherever they might be or go. This is specifically to cause and create the victims attention, and more importantly purposely 'sensitize' the gangstalked victim to this activity. Now let us say this activity suddenly stops, but a week later this gangstalked victim sees three people together wearing red shirts. Because of the sensitization to this victim, the victim may assume whether correctly or not that these individuals might be perpetrators purposely there to stalk, annoy, or actually psychologically effect and demean the victim. This type of situation is purposely repeated hundreds of times on victims until the victim knows or realizes they are being targeted; even though any casual observer specifically won't notice anything odd or out or the ordinary. This is of course by design to keep the gangstalking going on without being noticed by anyone else. Yet the victim would be fully and quite purposely aware that they are being stalked and continually followed and harassed. In the end you could substitute multiple people jiggling keys specifically in some other similar gangstalking example, or understand after some repeated scenario with lawn movers how and why this type of 'repeated method sensitization' is so important and purposely used to create in victims minds and psyche the illusion, whether real, accurate or not in each perceived incidence, that the victim is being gangstalked. This of course is by design. Gangstalking technics work when victims have become so sensitized to these street theater events that they believe, whether real or not, that each continued event or incidence is happening to them, and that they are being gangstalked.

Gang-stalking can be and is as much a psychological disturbing experience, as much as it is some physical (street theater) event_to victims of it. If exposed gang-stalking would be considered a malicious and human rights attack with multiple constitutional violations. It would be considered illegal on multiple levels of physical, emotional and mental cruelity laws,including specific constitutional freedom, privacy, and hate crime law violations.

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any victim/target

Sure, batvette.  Never mind the defamation, surreptitious home entries, gas-lighting, vandalism, harassment, thefts and 24/7 monitoring.

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FaithlessTemplar

So because COINTELPRO existed this must exist. Thats your reasoning? You have had this explained to you multiple times already, why would you bring it up AGAIN?

 

While COINTELPRO was indeed a questionable business, it was focused on those deemed a threat, black panthers and the like.

 

So what have any of you done that would get you targeted by such a program? Nothing.

Yet you still believe  "It's COINTELPRO but different coz I havent done anything and am of no consequence whatsoever".

 

That seemss more in line with the 'massive ego/persecutory delusion line'.

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The 1

Since PeaceFrog may not currently be around FaithlessTemplar let me attempt to answer your correctly stated question..

First I might say that you are actually correct in what you assume. That being targeted one would think there must be some logical reason for it. Many of us as victims also assumed that. We as victims don't have a simple or logical explanation ourselves as an answer though.

One suggestion that PeaceFrog actually recently brought to light was this supposed assumed guilty until proven innocent scenario from the original FBI cointelpro program and quoted from the Church committee investigation findings in that..


"the Bureau conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights of speech and association, on the theory that preventing the growth of dangerous groups and the propagation of dangerous ideas would protect the national security and deter violence."

"Bureau witnesses admit that many of the targets were nonviolent and most had no connections with a foreign power. Indeed, nonviolent organizations and individuals were targeted because the Bureau believed they represented a "potential" for violence -- and nonviolent citizens who were against the war in Vietnam were targeted because they gave "aid and comfort" to violent demonstrators by lending respectability to their cause."


That even because of one's own beliefs or associations, victims may actually be picked up on some list as program targets.

What does this sound like to you?


Of interest:

The FBI COINTELPRO Operations

Church Committee 

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just observing

Gotta love this thinking:  "You have had this explained to you multiple times already, why would you bring it up again."  (Faithless Templar's reasoning)  All one can do is shake one's head.  Gee, because we can?  Or because those who comment here aren't the final arbiters? 

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PeaceFrog

FAITHLESS AND DUMB:


"between 1965 and 1975, the FBI opened more than 500,000 intelligence files on more than one million Americans..."


http://www.publiceye.org/liberty/Feds/cointelpro.html#what







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FaithlessTemplar

Dear laughed out of court

 

I saw that the first time you posted it, it failed to answer my questions then, it fails to answer my questions now.

I am not asking about COINTELPRO I am asking about what posters like the 1 are experiencing, I realize repeating what you already said eases the strain on your limited mind, but it is also rather tedious and doesnt progress the conversation at all. You DO want the conversation to progress, dont you?

@the 1

 

thank you for your polite response, as I have previously mentioned I am not inclined to dismiss these things out of hand as 'crazy talk'. I realize being repeatedly asked for evidence, etc. must get frustrating but I am glad that you at least, can appreciate the importance of putting things in a coherent and rational order. I believe if more posters responded as you do, the response to this topic from non-victims such as myself and even all out sceptics , would be far more positive.

 

Templar

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What a wonderful world

"While COINTELPRO was indeed a questionable business, it was focused on those deemed a threat, black panthers and the like," said the Faithless T.   A threat like Jane Addams? (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Addams)  A threat like the average non-violent, anti-war activist?  (From Wiki and about Jane Addams:  "In 1931, she became the first American woman to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."  But, by god, she must have been a threat, if our all-knowing gov targeted her.

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FaithlessTemplar

Thank you for your reply, the1. But I was wondering if  any of you belong to a group that would pique the interests of such a program, not has ever been mentioned save for Scriveners Jewish heritage. Even if these groups were entirely benign, if many targets belonged to them then this would only strengthen your case, and potentially be evidence.

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