Gang Stalking: Wikipedia's Agent Provocateurs & Cyber trolls

by PeaceFrog | July 10, 2012 at 07:57 am

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Wikipedia scrubbed the information that this author added to its stalking page. This included deleting a reference to gang stalking under the Stalking by Groups subsection. It also included scrubbing two FOX-syndicated news stories on gang stalking. The first story scrubbed was the KION interview with Santa Cruz P.D. Lieutenant Larry Richard on the subject of "gang stalking" by groups. The second story scrubbed was the KENS-5 San Antonio investigative journalist piece confirming multiple open felony investigations related to gang stalking by groups by both the local San Antonio police and the San Antonio Sheriff's Office. This information had been on the Wikkipedia Stalking page since December, 2011. The scrubbing was instigated by government agent provocateur "Batvette" using the same moniker on Wikipedia as on NowPublic.

When this author attempted to reinstate the two FOX news stories, other Wikipedia "editors" sprang into action, and, retaliated by removing this author's links to official Department of Justice documents he obtained under the F.O.I.A., about stalking by groups that were working together as teams. These F.O.I.A. documents were tenured on the Wikipedia Stalking page for over ONE YEAR.

This is the Wikipedia Stalking article before the censorship occurred:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stalking&diff=prev&oldid=501435716#Stalking_by_groups

This is the current Wikipedia page after the scrubbing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking#Stalking_by_groups

Here is the Wikipedia talk page on gang stalking explaining the "rationale" behind the scrubbing redaction "edits":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AStalking#US_DOJ_report_on_Stalking_Victimization_in_the_US.2F_implied_to_indicate_.22gang_stalking.22

In order to follow the rest of the discussion, please read the subsection "US DOJ Report on Stalking Victimization in the US / implied to indicate "gang stalking"" linked above.

The first paragraph comes to the bogus conclusion that because stalking by groups is not referred to specifically as "gang stalking" in the DOJ stalking materials, the use of the term "gang stalking" in the above-referenced FOX news pieces makes the activity of "gang stalking" different than "stalking by groups". This is purely a semantic and cosmetic difference that would be quickly understood by any "editor" at Wikipedia who was neither a government agent provocateur, nor lobotomized.

The second paragraph in the link above, as well as, Batvette's talk page on Wikipedia "deletion review for gang stalking" subsection, linked below, make it clear that government agent provocateur Batvette (the same government agent provocateur Batvette on NowPublic) initiated the deletion of the two FOX news stories on gang stalking from the Wikipedia Stalking page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Batvette#Deletion_review_for_Gang_Stalking

The two news stories were the most probative evidence of nationwide gang stalking to date. One was the only interview with an active duty police officer to publicly speak about gang stalking. The other news story was the only reference to multiple, open felony investigations relating to gang stalking.

Here was the author's response, from the Wikipedia Stalking talk page, to Batvette's perfidious action in deleting the news stories:

User Batvette is making a false distinction between "stalking by groups" and "gang stalking". Gang stalking is simply a different terminology for stalking by groups. The Stalking Report indicates substantial group stalking in America. The FOIA documents referenced in the section on Stalking by Groups indicate 185,050 cases of "group stalking" a.k.a. "gang stalking", i.e., stalking by teams or groups acting in concert. These same FOIA documents enumerate the 185,050 cases into cases of between "3" to "50" stalkers, listing a total for each category of between "3" and "50" stalkers. The "gang stalking" news stories are in fact news stories of stalking by groups. These two stories are both mainstream FOX-syndicated T.V. news stories. Gang stalking by groups of stalkers is affirmed by an active duty police lieutenant from Santa Cruz P.D. in the first story. The second story is an investigative journalist piece confirming multiple, open police investigations of multiple felony crimes in San Antonio related to gang stalking by groups of stalkers.

This response was followed by two Wikipedia "editors" posts that basically stated that the use of "gang stalking" implied conspiracy theories, and, "sensationalist" tabloid-style news. This is contradicted by the fact that both FOX-syndicated news stories were mainstream, and, were both supported by police statement confirmation in both California and Texas. Also, eluding the "editors" is the fact that stalking performed by groups necessitates the underlying crime of conspiracy!

The author replied by stressing the solid content of the relevant and highly probative news stories deleted:

Two mainstream news stories have been redacted because of semantics, to wit, the use of the term "gang stalking". These include a public statement by an active duty police lieutenant from Santa Cruz on "gang stalking" by groups. Also included is an investigative journalist news story from San Antonio finding multiple, open felony cases related to "gang stalking" by groups by both local San Antonio police, and, the San Antonio Sheriff's Office. These are both FOX-syndicated news stories. The content being scrubbed is probative, factual in nature and relevant, and, is far from being "sensationalist" or tabloid news. The fact that vast conspiracy theories are affiliated with gang stalking is irrelevant to the value of these two factually-based news stories. There are many academic topics that are mired in conspiracy from the moon landing to the J.F.K. assassination. The litmus test should be the quality and content of the materials redacted, not the conspiracy label.PeaceFrog71 (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Both articles are mainstream media news stories and contain information derived from law enforcement officials. There has been no impeachment of the content of the stories. Batvette's argument that the stories are the residue of "sensationalist" claims is irrelevant. Nothing has been adduced to impeach the credibility of the two news stories citing law enforcement concerns and investigations in both California and Texas. The entire rationale behind the redaction is the use of the term "gang stalking" in both news stories. This term has been adopted for activities of reported group stalking by some law enforcement officials. The redaction based upon the terminology "gang stalking", of otherwise highly probative material on group stalking, is cosmetic and semantic. Suggestion:

Some commentators have used the controversial term "gang stalking" to refer to reported cases of stalking by groups. [ft] PeaceFrog71(talk) 14:46, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

True to form, the control freak editors have barred this author from even arguing his case further on the Stalking talk page, claiming he is guilty of "edit warring".

Here is what Wired.com has to say about the politics of Wikipedia "editing":

http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker?currentPage=all

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batvette

at 05:23 on July 19th, 2012

THIS IS CLEARLY A PROGRAM AFFECTING COUNTLESS THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS.

We don't know how many people are involved unless each shares their personal account with the public. You've never done this and have long engaged in a disinformation campaign involving outrageous silly "tactics" of ridiculous "psychological sensitization" being perpetrated by millions of individuals in a vast government conspiracy, a scenario the public and authorities can rightfully ridicule and dismiss. The fact you cannot provide any personal experiences of your own while asserting stupid shyte you find on the internet from others is really happening make it all too convenient for you to operate as a tool for the program to permanently marginalize any similar claims, yet leave yourself beyond accountable for all the stupid shyte you publish. Forgetting all that is still the basic premise that if a person has never and refuses to describe events that happen to others they say also happen to them, it is highly unlikely they are what they claim.

PeaceFrog

at 05:29 on July 19th, 2012

BULLSHYTEVETTE:

We don't know how many people are involved unless each shares their personal account with the public.

WE KNEW FROM GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS ON WIKIPEDIA THAT 185,050 AMERICANS WERE BEING STALKED BY TEAMS OR GROUPS OF BETWEEN "3" AND "50" STALKERS. THAT WAS UNTIL YOU WAGED A DELETION CAMPAIGN, YOU WORTHLESS SLIMEBALL!

http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf

FaithlessTemplar

at 05:33 on July 19th, 2012

I am pretty sure that was the number of uninvestigated claims of being stalked, not all of them were verified as being accurate. Or were they?

batvette

at 05:54 on July 19th, 2012

Those 185,000 people reported being stalked in the sense as defined by law, can you elaborate on how this validates any claims of "psychological sensitization" or the various so called "tactics" promoted by "activists" like yourself that all too uncannily resemble a schizophrenic's perceptions of reality?

But let's get back to that "government document". I thought you claimed your FOIA request resulted in you being presented with something in a form you could not access. Yet it appears you are the source of that report. Where is the answer to the question that is missing about who they believed was involved? Don't you want to know the answer to this? Or are you hiding it with any effort possible as it precludes your conspiracy theory?

PeaceFrog

at 06:22 on July 19th, 2012

Batvette writes:

YOU MEAN LIKE THIS SCHIZOPHRENIC'S PERCEPTIONS OF REALITY?

BATVETTE at 09:25 on March 22nd, 2009

I take a lot of photos too, and have a sign that says "Gangstalking today? you might be on YOUTUBE tommorrow!" in my window. Another says "Organized stalking is a crime, under USC title 18 section 241-(243 if you are a L.E.O.) Explain that to the kids, they're going to ask why DADDY went to PRISON.")

You know they love me for that one.

at 17:58 on June 15th, 2009
I still wonder, though, what's the common denominator here? The way these people do this always seems to be taken from the same textbook of tactics, they aren't all coming up with this on their own. Do they have some kind of recruiting site? Is there some club that picks people?

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Organized Stalking TI's navigate truth and deception on the web | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 2 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/organized-stalking-tis-navigate-truth-and-deception-web#ixzz1yIYIT3rJ

at 07:55 on September 10th, 2009

Those are pretty damning words to speak about anyone. I hear the pay isn't so great and they get some of these guys to do this for meals or gas money? I don't know who is the bigger chump: the perps, or the handlers for overpaying a pittance for such loser help.

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gangstalking TI's (targeted individual's) Manifesto | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 2 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto#ixzz1yIZElpIk

Batvette, (August 16, 2009)

This is a message to the perps in their pickup trucks who like to bright my house, to the neighbors who joined gov't snitch programs, to the members of community steering groups we believe finger us for a slow death sentance, and the architects of this whole concept.

You're haters. It's that simple. You are the enemy of America, and will only cause terrorism against the country to increase, because the world always looked up to us for one fundamental reason: The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. In fact when I enlisted in the military, the first line of the oath states "I swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic". By denying people due process, by committing acts of punishment clearly cruel and unusual, and picking individuals who are feared for their history of speaking out against abuses of authority, YOU endanger that document and what it stands for.

If we're dirtbags, if we're scum you need to put down... what does that make you for having no greater purpose in life but to spend time watching us? A step beneath us, that's for sure. You probably wanted to do this because you see America's future, your hopes, your dreams, slipping away, and wanted to contribute something to your community after 9/11. Fight them terrorists, huh Sparky?

Well there aren't any homegrown terrorists, unless you count yourselves. The DHS filed over 800,000 criminal cases from 2004-2007, and just 12 of them, or .0015% were related to terrorism. It's all a big scam, you're a participant in a command and control scheme, the architects of which are the same corporate elite who sold off America's patents, copyrights and financial assets (including factories) in the '90's and live behind the walls of gated communities, and need you to be their secret police to prevent wide spread civil unrest as it gets much worse economically.

That's right, you aren't saving America from terrorists, you're the last nails in the coffin. You aren't better than us, it's quite the opposite- you could be counted on to follow orders and not question whether they were right or wrong. You aren't the type to take it all in and see the big picture that isn't usually shown to the people. You do your job well because you lack a solid moral compass, are of below average intelligence, and easily fall for faulty ideological mantras.

Above all, you are too timid to stand up and challenge authority when it needs to be challenged. You need to join a group of other like minded twits to indulge your desire to bully and control people, need "empowerment and adventure" (Thanks, Mark Rich) because you can't get it on your own initiative, or need the numbers of a gang to intimidate others. A complete morally decrepit, dimwitted, cowardly pathetic wretch. It takes what, 50, 100 of you to keep one TI down? I'd call that a mismatch. In our favor.

Better than us? Hardly, fact is you are a sociopath. A psychopath, even. What other kind of person would sit in his pickup like you do, in a dark, cold parking lot at night, hoping the target might pop out so you might have the opportunity to drive at him and intimidate him with your headlights? One could even theorize all of this wasn't designed to get rid of us, but use us to keep you busy and focused in life- otherwise you might be torturing small animals, cruising the playgrounds looking for five year olds, and if you weren't parked out there waiting for me it might be outside of your ex wife, girlfriend, or the loan officer who repo'd your ice cream truck.

You may cause my demise, I can't seem to stop that. I've made my situation worse with defiance but I have no regrets as I feel an obligation to obstruct and occupy you as much as humanly possible like a prisoner of war must try to be a pain in the ass to his enemy captors. This delays you introducing your evil activities to the next target, or an existing one will have less of you to apply to their life that day. I will defy you to the end, even as your fascist jackboot crushes my skull to the ground, as it will have my teeth marks in it.

And you and yours, despite your feigned attitudes of disgust as you rid your neighborhoods of another "undesirable" from your midst, will be too dense to recognize the subconscious feelings of envy that you'd been born with as much courage, intestinal fortitude and love for humanity in your whole body as each of us has in a finger. You deserve to live in the world you are creating, one of hatred, conformity, suspicion, and mediocrity, if you are indicative of it maybe it's best to leave it.

I just have one thing left- when they trained you people to do this, which of these came first in the program- was it the castration... or the lobotomy?

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto#ixzz1xUXeCE1N

Do you remember any of your own statements?:

at 23:58 on August 17th, 2009

n my observation in my city, the police participate, and Jiverly Wong, the Binghampton shooter was almost certainly stalked by his local police- his note said "they pull out suddenly in front of my car 32 times, but I did not hit them once" and that's why the issue of him being gangstalked was given little attention- the agency that did the investigation was the one stalking him!

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gangstalking TI's (targeted individual's) Manifesto | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto#ixzz1yIFDxkBR

at 00:50 on September 6th, 2009

I holler out to my perps who are surely listening to everything: If I'm a loser, what are you when your whole life revolves around watchng me? Before our feet hit the ground every morning I'm already winning because you can't let a minute go by without paying attention to me yet I couldn't care less who you are.

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Gangstalking TI's (targeted individual's) Manifesto | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto#ixzz1yIFn2867

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anyone anonymous (not verified)

at 06:28 on July 19th, 2012

This from a guy (batvette) who thinks that his walls are moving -- that they're being manipulated. LOL.

batvette

at 07:23 on July 19th, 2012

(not verified) uses my life story to discredit me.

Please describe to me how you can eliminate the possibility of a technology existing which could cause these observations.

PeaceFrog

at 06:32 on July 19th, 2012

BATSHYTE,

THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE SELF-AUTHENTICATING, AND YOU KNOW THAT.

http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf

I MADE SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION RELATED TO THE STALKING REPORT UNDER THE FOIA. SOME DOCUMENTS WERE RELEASED TO ME IN PAPER FORMAT. THE LITIGATION AGAINST DOJ WAS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 80,0000 PAGES TO BE RELEASED IN READABLE FORM.

batvette

at 07:18 on July 19th, 2012

Self authenticating to showing that 185,000 people (by extrapolation) reported this type of activity by three or more people:

Stalking is defined as a course of conduct directed at a specific person that would cause a reasonable person to feel fear. Individuals must have feared for their safety or that of a family member as a result of the course of conduct, or have experienced additional threatening behaviors. Individuals were classified as stalking victims if they responded that they experienced at least one of seven types of stalking behaviors on two or more separate occasions.

The most common types of stalking behavior reported by victims were receiving unwanted phone calls from the offender (66 percent), receiving unsolicited letters or email (31 percent), or having rumors spread about them (36 percent). Nearly a third of victims reported that offenders were equally likely to show up at places with no reason to be there or wait for the victim at a particular location.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/press/svuspr.cfm

None of which resemble the bizarre suite of activities, especially "psychological sensitization" being claimed as "gang stalking".

Even if it did, which it does not, by the same extrapolation 75% of the respondents would be eliminated by this:

Nearly 75 percent of victims knew their offender in some capacity, and about one-tenth of all victims were stalked by a stranger. Stalking victims most often identified the stalker as a former intimate (22 percent) or a friend, roommate, or neighbor (16 percent).

The fact is that survey does not in any way represent people who claim to be victims of "gang stalking". The offenses against them are wholly different. The perceptions of who is doing it is wholly different. In no case do ANY of the respondents indicate the belief that the government is doing this to them.

The filtering of the respondents preclude any possibility anyone was included who made claims similar to what Peacefrog has C/P'd from others' websites.

Labella has long misportrayed this survey's findings to mislead people. If victims produce it as proof they will only convince people who don't actually read it.

commenting anonymously (not verified)

at 08:00 on July 19th, 2012

Take a look at batvette's conclusions about the Adrian Schoolcraft case before the entire story made its way to air and light -- he was on the wrong side of that one, too, blathering on as he does here, asking stupid questions, making baseless accusations, and expecting others to answer his ridiculous questions, many of which had been answered in any number of ways but, even so, he refused to accept what others were posting. This is a similar situation. He makes specious arguments and lambasts others for their valid points and conclusions. We know that group stalking is a significant and serious problem in the US, in communities all across this country and yet, when the DOJ's Stalking Report confirms it, batvette, jumps up and down, screaming, "but it doesn't, it doesn't!" He's so sure of it (and has such animosity for Attorney Labella) that in typical "borderline" style, he stirs up trouble on Wikipedia's "Stalking" page. Batvette's one of those folks who wants a certain answer and then sets out to prove that the answer that they desire is true, even when it's manifestly false. When the truth about GS is finally revealed (and it will be), batvette will be running around like a chicken with its head cut off, screaming, "..but,... but... but..." At that point in time, he'll say that we didn't explain it well, or we didn't answer his questions, or that we didn't give him our personal narratives, blah, blah, blah... that he couldn't possibly have known because others didn't give him the answers that he needed to be able to accurately state the truth. Attorney Labella isn't trying to mislead anyone, batvette. The DOJ report IS "proof", no matter how you want to spin it. Deny it all you want. It won't ever make your faulty conclusions "true."

FaithlessTemplar

at 05:20 on July 19th, 2012

Fair enough question, I am certainly interested in the answer.

So what is the motive? And who does benefit?

an observer (not verified)

at 06:09 on July 19th, 2012

What were the motives for the many sub-projects of MK-Ultra? Who benefited?

FaithlessTemplar

at 06:15 on July 19th, 2012

We went through this a few times already, son. We agreed that was a dubious and arguably immoral bent to who was targeted but there WERE reasons why they were targeted by such programs.

I am guessing you are neither a nobel prize winner or an anti-war protester, right?

So how are you in any way like the example you gave me before? Such a person could if they so wished cause a great deal of grief for those in power and rally popular support. YOU on the other hand are a complete nobody.

PeaceFrog

at 06:25 on July 19th, 2012

ALSO, THE THOUSANDS OF FBI FILES OPENED ON PERSONS WHO WERE MERELY ATTENDING AN ANTI-WAR RALLY, OR MADE AN ANTI-WAR STATEMENT ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS WERE MERE "NOBODIES".

ANYONE COULD BE A THREAT AND THE COINTELPRO DEMOCRACY IS ALWAYS LISTENING.

FaithlessTemplar

at 06:33 on July 19th, 2012

The key difference being was a "file opened" on them and thats it or did people follow them round the shops and the like? Surely that would have required millions of agents to accomplish?

If a "file was opened" on me, I wouldnt give it shit, perhaps you disagree and believe that the files should never have been opened on them? Fair enough, thats reasonable too. The key point is were all these people on file stalked?

Validity of the stalking report (not verified)

at 06:47 on July 19th, 2012

Faithless Templar, Is the entire stalking report invalid, in your opinion?

Laughing @ F. Templar (not verified)

at 06:37 on July 19th, 2012

Dad, is that you????

Laughing @ F. Templar (not verified)

at 07:26 on July 19th, 2012

Said Templar, "We went through this a few times already, son."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Dad, dad, answer me, if that's really you! (Oy. That "son" thing is as old as the hills. Does it enhance your sense of self-importance?)

anon posting (not verified)

at 06:40 on July 19th, 2012

Batvette's comment to PeaceFrog's "How Widespread is Gang Stalking?" article:-----my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking-----Batvette said @ 04:22 on November 15th, 2011-----I'll discredit one life story at a time if need be. Where is yours?

anon posting (not verified)

at 06:42 on July 19th, 2012

Batvette said @ 04:22 on November 15th, 2011-----"I'll discredit one life story at a time if need be. Where is yours?"

batvette

at 07:25 on July 19th, 2012

(not verified) has posted this hundreds of times now with the sole intent of discrediting me.

anon com, also (not verified)

at 07:31 on July 19th, 2012

As batvette continues to attempt to discredit victims of GS, who but an idiot would fail to point out that batvette openly stated that it's his agenda to "discredit" others. It's okay for him to discredit, but turnabout isn't fair play? I don't think so.

batvette

at 07:43 on July 19th, 2012

There is no "fair play" possible when you post under a hundred pseudonyms.

You know that "discredit one life story at a time" meant nutters and pretenders, not actual victims of any crimes. This was explained to you long ago, and you have to dishonestly add "victims of GS" to make my comment look bad. Your sole purpose here is to troll and disrupt discussions, and you are the person who was found by a wikipedia checkuser investigation to be a sock puppet account of Peacefrog's.

Neither you or Peacefrog have ever published an account describing one minute of one day of yourself being gang stalked. You are a pretender.

No pretender, herea (not verified)

at 08:39 on July 19th, 2012

Battyvette said, "You know that "discredit one life story at a time" meant nutters and pretenders, not actual victims of any crimes. This was explained to you long ago..." Like "the nutter and pretender" Lawrence Guzzino, batvette? You can "explain" all you want -- I doubt that you'll find many takers among GS victims.

batvette

at 09:56 on July 19th, 2012

Lawrence Guzzino, who was described by the interviewer as "having developed a paranoia that has destroyed his personal and business relationships...."

Lawrence Guzzino, who broke down and nearly started crying on camera about how he could no longer play ping pong for fear of being "followed around" by "neighbors".... who, despite having a news crew there, he failed to identify a single one or produce any evidence whatsoever that any of this had ever actually ocurred.

Who claims all this is a result of playing his stereo loud at night and being "outspoken".

The result of this is a grown man blubbering like a baby on TV that he can't play ping pong any more and the News claiming a guy who says he is gang stalked is really being ruined by his own silly paranoia.

But hey the term gang stalking got mentioned on the news so it's progress to all you silly twits who need something to show your family and friends it's okay, you don't need your meds any more.

The very fact you're worried about selling yourself to so called "GS victims" merely confirms you are seeking to preserve your online support system of denying mental illness.

George P. (not verified)

at 10:16 on July 19th, 2012

How does this guy, batvette, sound to you? Ever try this one out with law enforcement or the media? If anyone is need of meds... If one were triaging patients, one might tell this guy to get in front of Guzzino and lots of others: "As much of my day is spent at my desk facing the same direction, could that have caused or worsened scoliosis, if several times a week I fell asleep in the chair and woke up hours later, slumped down but the chair and my body having moved three feet to the right as if a magnet was pulling at it? ---------------------------------- Sounds outlandish? Well the community has many people believing "microwaves" are directed at people in harmful ways. What if there was some form of energy they'd harness that can push, pull, or even bend or stress, matter? It would be something outside of known physics. All I can say is I can look at walls, furniture, objects in my house like a bicycle hanging from the ceiling, and they look like they move. You close your eyes and touch them, they feel like they move. When they move to an extreme, you hear creaks etc like they move- not as loud as you'd think though. A door viewed from inside, bows outward, bulging. Viewed simultaneously from a camera outside on a monitor, you see this too. ---------------------------- It is difficult to capture on video. If they are indeed applying an energy upon my dwelling that makes it appear "bent" or "bending" I think they did this to my body." (pulled from another comment on another thread)

George P. (not verified)

at 10:37 on July 19th, 2012

Oh, I forgot the best part of batvette's psychotic episode: "So there you go. I know being so candid may not be in my best interests, but it's credible." That's credible? Really? Really? Really? (Lawrence Guzzino's comments to the media have batvette all worked up, but his "episode" with gang stalking is "credible." Give me an f'ing break.)

PeaceFrog

at 11:29 on July 19th, 2012

Batvette writes,

I don't know what kind of person calls the police and news out to report he's being "followed around" yet fails to first make any attempt to identify the culprits or document that it actually happened.

BATVETTE, AFTER ALL THE BIZARRE CRAP YOU REPORTED ON nOWpUBLIC A FEW YEARS AGO, INCLUDING BEING FOLLOWED, WHY IS IT WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY POLICE REPORTS YOU MADE REGARDING THESE INCIDENTS???

MAYBE BATVETTE IS BACK ON HIS MEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alice in Wonderland (not verified)

at 10:24 on July 19th, 2012

Gang stalking isn't about "fair play." (One of the problems, batvette, as I see it, is that you seem to feel that you have some special insight into who's a "pretender" or a "nutter" when, quite clearly, you don't.) As it's said, "all's fair in love and war", and gang stalking has nothing at all to do with "love."