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Gays question Rick Warren's duplicity on Uganda bill, Prop 8
BOTH SIDES CLAIM SEXUAL FASCISM IN PROGRESSIVE AMERICA
The Reverend Rick Warren has come under extreme suspicion within the gay community. His involvement with Ugandan Pastor Martin Ssempa, who is backing a proposed legislative bill in Uganda to make certain gay actions punishable by death, certainly makes him suspect.
It has been said that Warren says one thing in America, another in Uganda. He is playing the game of duplicity, for certain. Silence on this legislation itself bespeaks something.
Another gay blog has a piece entitled, "Cue the Cock Crow: Warren Denies, denies, denies". Within it, Warren is quoted as saying that it is his job to "love everyone" (presumably, as a Christian minister) but not to be involved with legislation.
Well, what about Proposition 8, the gay advocates ask? But Warren remains silent. Is this an imitation of Christ, they wonder: To stand silent before one's accusers?
Rick Warren speaking to the host of ''Meet the Press'' today. He repeatedly tried to appear as a preacher who loves everyone, including gays, and denied that he took any leading role in the passage of California's Proposition 8. That law passed and effectively banned same-sex marriage from being performed in California. Warren has many times said this since. But video recordings and e-mails of his preaching appear to indicate he intentionally tried to sway the opinions of his very large congregation, and that he holds extremely anti-gay views. Here he mentions the video that he made in October of 2008 which he calls a "mention" but in April of this year he also told Larry King that he'd also made "a note in a newsletter." He did both, and his message was clear and emphatic that his followers, and all Bible believers, should vote forProposition 8. (NBC News)
Why is it so hard for Rick Warren, the president's favorite pastor to rankle the gays, to disavow the proposed legislation that would make gay sex punishable by death in Uganda? For a man so devoted to Jesus's compassion, Warren certainly has a ridiculous double standard when it comes to where and to whom that compassion is devoted.Warren's involvement with Uganda's anti-gay bill stems from his relationship with Martin Ssempa, the Ugandan pastor backing the legislation. While Warren publicly stated he severed all ties with Ssempa, it's no secret the pastor found welcome arms at Warren's Saddleback Church.
And yet, Warren — who laughably claims things like never being against gay marriage — refuses to denounce an utterly deplorable bill led by a possibly-former associate.
"The fundamental dignity of every person, our right to be free, and the freedom to make moral choices are gifts endowed by God, our creator," says Warren in a statement. "However, it is not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations."
That's quite amusing, given Warren's new found appreciation for all things non-America. Lately, he's focused heavily on China; he told an audience earlier this month that "last Sunday there were more Christians who went to church in China than all of Europe combined." And like the crusaders before him, it sounds like Warren would be quite at home spreading what he thinks is god's message beyond America's borders; he's made plenty of in-roads to bring Anglican churches in America into the fold of Africa's anti-gay clerics, as his visits to Uganda are more akin to one-man campaigns to encourage divisiveness.
On Meet The Press, Warren declared it not to be his job to interfere "with the political process of other nations." But this is not about the laws of other nations.
This is about basic protections for human life. If a foreign lawmaker were calling for Christians to be executed, Warren would be there, leading the opposition. But when it comes to gay men and women, who, Warren supposedly does not wish ill, he's not just remained painfully silent, he has, be fault, endorsed genocide against gay Ugandans.
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at 08:34 on November 30th, 2009
Rick Warren is clear about what he wants. I do not see him denying his support for proposition 8. Neither did he say that he loves gay marriage. With the links and videos you provided however, I do not see any evidence of his support for whatever the bill in Uganda is. Poorly researched writing.
at 10:29 on November 30th, 2009
It constantly amazes me how these ignoramuses gain such widespread support. Rick Warren in that uploaded video constantly speaks about one man and one woman constituting marriage. We are well aware that many cultures support polygamy and a few support polyandry. I'm not a scholar of the old testament(of course one should read the original, Greek or Hebrew versions) but I don't remember reading about a marriage ceremony between Adam and Eve in the King James version. When they were kicked out of Eden they proceeded to have children without benefit of clergy. Maybe that makes us all bastards.
at 14:01 on November 30th, 2009
The King James bible is the original translation and the most accurate
at 10:37 on November 30th, 2009
Well, you know, Yommie, I am not trying to find proof that Warren supports the Uganda bill, I am trying to prove that some gays say he does. Yes, Barb, the human race is pretty much a race of bastards :(
at 10:54 on November 30th, 2009
Yes, so do I, just wish it did not feel so awful to realize it. :(
at 14:05 on November 30th, 2009
The presidents favorite pastor? that's the real question here. I do not really think he is tied to uganda's anti-gay bill