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George Bush Shouted from Beijing: Respect a Sovereign Nation
by mnepali | August 10, 2008 at 04:45 am | 612 views | 26 comments | 9 recommendations
US President George Bush, now at the Olympics in Beijing, said, “Georgia is a sovereign nation, and its territorial integrity must be respected.”
It was his expression based on the norms and values of international relations and laws. Had he respected many sovereign nations’ territorial integrity and sovereignty, the condition of international relations and peace would have been far better today.
President Bush, report international news media, added, “We have urged an immediate halt to the violence and a stand-down by all troops. We call for the end of the Russian bombings.”
He was right to say so.
Had he immediately halted the violence and a stand-down by his troops on Iraq, 1.6 million Iraqis would not have been killed so far.
Of course, President Bush personally did not go to Iraq and shoot anybody by using an M-16. But his policy was responsible for this.
His wrong analysis was to blame. How many weapons of mass destruction (WMD) did he find in Iraq? Nobody knows.
His ideological prejudices and superpower arrogance were the underlying factors behind the huge losses of innocent lives.
Russia has imitated the US Administration. It has invaded Georgia. Russia wants to benefit from the control over Georgia, a pro-US nation that separated from the previous Soviet Union.
For the loss of 1500 civilians in Ossetia, both Georgia and Russia are responsible. Right to life, the most important human right, has been violated here.
However, strategic control over Georgia is the Russian intention. As Georgia is the transit country for the export of oil and natural gas, Russia would like to control the route.
As far as control of natural resources is concerned, it would not be irrelevant to raise this question: How many oil mines have the USA and its European allies controlled in Iraq so far?
source: http://publicjournalism.newsvine.com
August 10, 2008 at 04:45 am by mnepali, 612 views, 26 comments
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at 04:50 on August 10th, 2008
mnepali, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 05:02 on August 10th, 2008
It would be funny if it was not so sad!
at 05:07 on August 10th, 2008
thanks, paschen for your concern. but no fun can be absolute on earth. life is combination of fun and sorrow. president raised a concern for lives, so the background of the sad context was raised naturally.
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boy (not verified)at 06:52 on August 10th, 2008
FTA - "Of course, President Bush personally did not go to Iraq and shoot anybody by using an M-16. But his policy was responsible for this."
Charles Manson never actually killed anyone himself either but you don't see him running the country.
We are so fu'd
at 08:21 on August 10th, 2008
mnepali, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 09:47 on August 10th, 2008
mnepali, I like this story. It's good stuff.
Had he respected many sovereign nations’ territorial integrity and sovereignty, the condition of international relations and peace would have been far better today.
Unfortunately, international relations are based on hypocrisy not international law.
Had he immediately halted the violence and a stand-down by his troops on Iraq, 1.6 million Iraqis would not have been killed so far.
May they rest in peace.
So whose HR record is worse?
at 09:51 on August 10th, 2008
heritage,
Who's Human Rights record is worse? It's so obvious based on the number of civilians killed by illegal military activities that I don't even have to answer.
at 03:58 on August 11th, 2008
Thanks, moonwolf. You can watch HR record-breaking olympics, so difficult to compare exactly!
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Preview2 (not verified)at 11:16 on August 10th, 2008
Good grief, what a sad example of impetuous, inept, childish drivel. Poorly researched left-wing propaganda couched as opinion, backed by nothing more than the (I can only assume) vast and all-encompassing managerial, administrative, and worldly experience of the bloggers... what a pathetic website. Not even worthy of discourse or debate, just a bunch of children venting their childish emotions.
at 11:32 on August 10th, 2008
Some of us do try to bring some sanity to these children by bringing up inconvenient facts and historical perspective. We don't hope to change the minds of the committed whiners and ostriches, but hope, occasionally, to reach some young people before it is too late. Join us.
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Preview2 (not verified)at 15:20 on August 10th, 2008
Joel, How can I help this site gain perspective? After perusing for more minutes than warranted, I'm not certain it's worth the effort. The single reply to your posting reinforces my opinion that this is nothing more than a jaundiced, humanist stronghold, part of the self-hating minority that will be the undoing of our nation, and mankind in general. Is the azimuth correction of one ill-informed twenty-something going to change anything? Until they see world events and the geopolitical stage with clear eyes, I don't think they can be helped...
at 16:12 on August 10th, 2008
I infer from your comments that you are a knowledgable and serious person. Surely you know that the victories that progress and freedom have won in America through the centuries have almost always come through the efforts of a few determined and courageous movers against the caterwauling crowd of naysayers. There are many posters on this site who number among the grownups. We are not going to change the world, and perhaps we are wasting our time, but I think most of us feel that the battle for the soul of America is too important to let go by default.
at 16:38 on August 10th, 2008
OK, Joel, I'm in. I'll try to browse and impart sensibility on this site when able, and applicable. I share your sentiments, and believe this site has a purpose, in bringing another viewpoint to world affairs, beyond CNN, BBC, Reuters, and all the rest. The concept of decentralized presentation of world events has great potential and merit, if not hijacked by those with fanatical, elitist agendas. Hope I can help bring sensibility and rational thought to the table.
at 04:03 on August 11th, 2008
Thanks joellerose.
We are optimistic beings. We die any way. So we don't suicide. We try good things. We don't want to mechanize our hearts. The world is divided. All are not belligerents. Our messages also reach those who are against multinational war corporations.
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Stosh Bimblow (not verified)at 11:54 on August 10th, 2008
Didn't your mom ever tell you that, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything?
My mom would tell me that - of course I never listened to her when she started on me with that kind of nonsense, but I think it could work for you!
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Preview2 (not verified)at 15:35 on August 10th, 2008
What, presenting a viewpoint directly and without subterfuge is "not nice? I suppose the author of the above article, and the others joyfully jumping on the "Bash the USA" bandwagon in the replies, can present implications all they want, and that makes it "nice"? The author seemingly knows all about Russian and Georgian relations, and implies Russian intent for the conflict, not even taking into account Orthodox and ethinc Russian populations within Ossetia. It's all about big corporations, their evil intent, and oil...Then a correlation and relationship to Iraq in 2003 is drawn. Pathetic, at best, juvenile and overly simple, at worst. Please don't play the disingenuous gambit, it rarely works to the benefit of the debater.
at 16:34 on August 10th, 2008
I know you probably don't mean to, but you are absolutely exuding arrogance ...
Maybe your attitude is justified, maybe you've already got your little vial of team-player's vaccine waiting in the wall-safe to preserve you and yours when it comes time to cull the herd of all the rest of us inferior types - the humanists, the whiners, the liberals, the leftists ...
And that's fine too. I know I won't want to be here when the world is populated only by self-righteous, bigoted, brainwashed fools like yourself ...
at 17:08 on August 10th, 2008
If you wish to call an acknowledgement that our best hope lies with America, and a tiredness for all those wishing to reflexively (through whatever impetus) tear her down, then "arrogance" it is... You are entitled to your view. Men far greater than both of us have given their lives and furtunes to protect your right to share that view. If you expect me to be apologetic, and simply listen and nod while spineless whimperers allow (and amplify) a slow drumbeat of "America is the Source of all Evil", then I'm sorry to say it will not be so...I intend to counterpoint the mindless "arrogance" of America-haters on this site, as I see them appear. Perhaps we could discuss the article above, and what the poster submits as "news". Would you care to talk about the percentage of ethnic Russians in South Ossetia, and their concerns? Or the Georgian concerns regarding their security while sharing a border with a resurgent Russia? Or perhaps those are also a fabrication of the Amercian executive branch, and it's really all about "oil pipelines". And, oh by the way, what can we actually infer from the remarks of the American president regarding the conflict in Georgia? Perhaps you feel he should speak about the Iraq parallel? Probably not, because there is none.
at 17:00 on August 10th, 2008
It's a little hard to be arrogant when most of public education, most colleges and universities and almost all the media are pounding the agenda of the left every moment of the day.
at 21:14 on August 10th, 2008
I hesitate to commit myself here, but what the heck - please stay tuned for my upcoming article, 'Bucks without Borders - Planet of the Corporations' ...
For those as deeply stuck in denial and as terrified of the truth as some who may have even posted in this thread obviously are it probably won't make any difference, but whatever, maybe it's just good therapy for me ...
I understand very well the sentiments involved with, 'My Country Right or Wrong' ... but allow me to let you in on a little secret - it hasn't been our country for decades and decades.
America was hijacked long ago by people most have never seen and most have never even heard of ...
at 02:30 on August 11th, 2008
It is called "capitalism". Coupled with personal liberty and a representative republic, it results in mankinds' greatest opportunity. Right or wrong is not part of the equation, those of us that respect this country are simply tired of reading and listening to those who deem personal responsibility, and reward for intellect and invention as somehow against the human experience. I look forward to your posting, I just hope it's not the typical paranoia about the "evil capitalist empire", or Masonic conspiracy hysteria mumbo-jumbo.
at 04:17 on August 11th, 2008
Dear Emilio lizardo,
Thank you for your interesting comments.
As human beings are rationale beings with the potential of using wisdom, it is natural for them to question and analyze.
I am sorry for hurting you unintentionally. But I would never like to be a blind supporter or a blind critic of anything or anybody. There is no absolute goodness or badness in anything or anybody. This is the basic scientific truth of human life.Therefore, developing a culture of positively studying some criticism would further enrich the democratic culture.
As far as your scolding me as a brainwashed and bigoted fool is concerned, I do not mind reading it. It is the indication of your perception level.
at 18:13 on August 13th, 2008
Perhaps the gentleman's perception level has been altered pharmaceutically, as it appears he is not sure exactly to whom he is responding...
Regarding "goodness and badness", I beg to differ, sir. There are indeed absolutes, and they exist in each of us. Human behavior models and their study reveal nothing other than there is no "basic truth of human life" as you so eloguently put it (other than that we are all carbon-based...). What changes is each human and his or her propensities.
at 18:21 on August 13th, 2008
Here's the deal, guys - If it feels like s**t and it smells like s**t, and it tastes like s**t, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to state the obvious, and since you're both smart guys I won't bore you with the obvious ...
at 04:37 on August 11th, 2008
A can produce weapons and sell them in the international market by creating civil and bilateral wars. B also wants to do the same thing. Both are wrong but blame each other. C opposes the evil intentions of both and suggests that both the A and B should stop doing wrong things.
at 11:44 on August 10th, 2008
I remember the remark from an older gentleman who was giving himself as a human shield in Iraq before the war started. He and others were arm in arm surrounding a building in Baghdad when he heard what sounded like screaming. He broke away a ran a few blocks to see a man being put feet first into a tree limb shredder. His crime - he opposed Saddams sons raping his sister. CNN carried the news of the man who had quickly changed his mind about what he was doing. He was for real. You could tell because they all have the vegetarian drawn scraggly beard look with a Jimmy Carter demeanor.
You see in China if you posted on a board like this and were not a government agent you would not be here very long. If fact your kidneys might be in Chicago and your heart would be left in San Francisco. That might make a good song.