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Global recession-depression not over: ask Greece
When things go badly, it is time to change the rules.
The EU clamped down on Greece and is awaiting the Greek political factions to form consensus around compliance. Just as in the USA, when expenses exceed revenues, it is time to stop spending.
As important, it is time to address the economic models for each nation in the world. What is the ratio of population to sustainable resources? What can each nation produce and provide in a superior manner to support global demand?
If a nation’s answer is nothing, then the people there are out of business. Government policies around the world must address sustainable strategies to care for its populations.
“Greek conservative takes bailout pledge to the wire
ATHENS | Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:55am EST
(Reuters) - Greek conservative leader Antonis Samaras will send a letter of commitment to the terms of an EU/IMF bailout deal within the day, a party source said on Wednesday, with the country'sbankruptcy rescue hanging in the balance.
Euro zone finance ministers had cancelled face-to-face talks on the 130-billion-euro ($170 billion) deal on Wednesday, saying they had yet to receive written pledges from Greek political party leaders to stick to punishing spending cuts, or clarification of all the savings.
"The letter will be dispatched within the day," a New Democracy party source told Reuters on condition of anonymity. Doubt has focused on Samaras, Greece's likely next prime minister and a strong critic of the austerity measures.
Ministers of the Eurogroup downgraded the Brussels meeting -- originally planned for 1700 GMT -- to a conference call.
Greece needs the funds by next month to avoid a messy bankruptcy.
The Eurogroup is next due to meet on Monday, but Greece has said it must initiate a debt swap deal with private sector bondholders by Friday if it is to meet a March 20 for 14.5 billion euros in debt repayments.
The Eurogroup had asked Greece to clarify how it would fill a 325-million-euro gap in budget cuts promised for 2012 and to persuade all party leaders to sign a commitment to implement austerity measures after an election expected in April.
"It's true we are asking the Greeks for some extremely painful sacrifices and I understand their anger, but Greece has made many errors in its past," French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe told France Info radio on Wednesday.
"It (the bailout) must be concluded because if Greece went bankrupt and left the euro zone, the chaos would be even worse for the Greek people and very bad news for the euro zone."
The cabinet of Prime Minister Lucas Papademos discussed the gap in the 3.3-billion-euro austerity program late into Tuesday evening. But there was no official clarification of where the savings would come from.
ACCELERATING CONTRACTION
Samaras has criticized the punishing new cuts in wages, pensions and jobs adopted by parliament early on Monday as rioters wrecked buildings across central Athens.
He voted for the bill, and expelled a quarter of his deputies who did not. But he says the cuts could plunge the country, already in its fifth year of recession, into an even bigger slump.
When parliament debated the austerity package on Sunday Samaras indicated that he would try to renegotiate the terms of the bailout, increasing doubt in the minds of European leaders.
"The timeline to 20 March is getting tighter, but Europe is still more likely than not to rescue Greece from disorderly default," Christian Schulz, senior economist at Berenberg bank, said in a note.
Some EU leaders have suggested Athens should leave the euro zone currency union.
The EU and IMF want Greece to account for every cent of budget cuts before they approve the rescue, which includes a bond swap, cutting the real value of private sector investors' bond holdings by some 70 percent.
But Greece's downward economic spiral has accelerated. Data on Tuesday showed that the economy shrank by seven percent in the fourth quarter of last year, even more than the five percent contraction of the third quarter.
Greece is well on its way to suffering one of the biggest slumps of modern history. Gross domestic product has contracted 16 percent from its peak and the austerity will make that worse.
Papademos has said that failure to back the bailout would consign Greece to economic catastrophe.
But with many Greeks suffering huge cuts in their living standards and young people burning and wrecking almost 100 Athens buildings in one night on Sunday, some people believe the catastrophe is already under way.
"On the current path - which is not sustainable in my view - we may very well see Greek GDP go down 25-30 percent, which would be historically unprecedented. It's a disastrous crisis for them," said Uri Dadush, at the Carnegie Endowment think tank in Washington.
That would put Greece in the same league as the United States, where the economy shrank 29 percent during the Great Depression.
($1 = 0.7616 euros)
(Additional reporting by Renee Maltezou in Athens, Alan Wheatley and Scott Barber in London, Aileen Wang in Beijing; Writing by matt Robinson)”



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at 02:55 on February 15th, 2012
Ultimately the question comes down to each and every member of planet Earth: What can you do to 1) sustain yourself, 2) sustain your offspring, 3) add value to the world?
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idea (not verified)at 07:31 on February 15th, 2012
Why not take all the church property by force and sell it off to pay for the debt? Oh some will cry and moan, "you cant do that, they represent God." Do they really? Or have they been lying to everyone to keep their exalted position? The common people feel that the large religions are the truth. Look at how they behave. Jesus said every tree producing rotten fruit would be cut down and thrown into the fire.
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"thirty-aught-six" (not verified)at 07:53 on February 15th, 2012
Greece's economic situation has little to do with the global economy. Greece had too little economy and far too much government. Greece didn't fully participate in the global aspect of the economy, rather spent more than it made on government. Greece floated their social political agenda through loans who's interest Greece could not even afford to repay or print the secure bonds to cover, never mind the return on the principle debt. Now the Greeks have massive structural debt that will require them to give up all the social benefits they paid for through debt. The plans of Greek debt restructuring aims to bring that debt down to 120 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) by 2020. According to Eurostat's provisional data for 2010, the Greek debt is about 150 percent of its GDP. The violence is a result of a people who are unwilling to face the bleak economic future their unaffordable social agenda brought them to. I'm sure the German Banks and the German taxpayer who are being asked to float this massive debt in the name of the EU have in the fore of their mind the legitimate question of who would bail them out of such an economic crisis if they were so negligent to fund their social political agenda to the tune of 150% of the German GDP? The American "progressive" who feel they are owed their entitlements at any cost had better pay strict attention. US debt is reaching the $16 trillion and interest repayment will reach or exceed $1 Trillion by 2020. It could be that by 2020 1/3 of all money collected by the US government will go to servicing debt. Any American who isn't willing to look that far down the road and take steps today, deserves to be gob-smacked by the political and economic necessity of reducing the governments social political agenda. Big government, big social agendas are unsupportable and unsustainable. It's unfortunate that it has taken the Greeks this long to understand that socialism is dead. Thankfully there is the good people of capitalist Germany to pick up the socialist EU tab. As each member State with an unsustainable social agenda fails, Germany is there to pick up the bill. The unasked question for these failing States is -how many times can you go to that well?
at 11:40 on February 15th, 2012
I want to sign up for this course. Where is the registrar's office?
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"thirty-aught-six" (not verified)at 15:14 on February 15th, 2012
When you have another country picking up your debt like Greece has. Restructuring expenditure to ONLY 120% of GDP is trumpeted as austerity measures! Greece gets to keep over spending their GDP by 120%. LOL. Where is the registrar's office? Syntagma Square, Athens. The course is titled; "Draconian Measures" The imposition of government spending limited to 120% of GDP. LOL.
at 11:41 on February 15th, 2012
30-06, did you see the movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding? I think the answer to all troubles is Windex.
at 11:49 on February 15th, 2012
windex is not environmentally sound, nor safe in fact down right dangerous to breathe. So there.
Greece should have never entered into the EU and should have stayed with their own currency. 30-06 is right on. Once Greece went to the Euro prices went through the roof and salaries stayed the same. Natural disaster. Big government is part and parcel of almost all of the EU countries. As a great American comic once said: "Now look at the mess you got me into.
at 14:41 on February 15th, 2012
In the movie, an old guy believes Windex is a cure for everything because it is the national color.
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"thirty-aught-six" (not verified)at 19:14 on February 15th, 2012
Greece could use a good WINDEXing... know what I mean, wink, wink, nudge, nudge...
at 04:12 on February 16th, 2012
Psyops -- call Scrivener
at 07:39 on February 16th, 2012
It's a Conspiracy. Can't you See that. Over here..or over there...or inside my computer..or inside my head..
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"thirty-aught-six" (not verified)at 09:16 on February 16th, 2012
Speaking of psyops. What's with the advocating of a "forced attack" on Church property in relationship to Greece's failed economics???
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son of nanute (not verified)at 04:14 on February 17th, 2012
thirty aught six Go argue with this guy. He'll eat your lunch.snarkypenguin.blogspot.com/2012/02/greece-no-way-out.html
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nanutes father (not verified)at 05:45 on February 17th, 2012
Why dont you argue with thirty-aught-six if you are so convinced you are right?