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Government Agencies Support Domestic Torture and Gang-Stalking, Says 'Targeted' U.S. Journalist
Editor's Note: NowPublic.com "Get Political" columnist Vic Livingston has written several articles about the shocking phenomenon of organized gang-stalking and domestic torture in America, and the use of directed energy weapons as a means to inflict silent torture and physical harm. The following is extracted from a personal note he has addressed to some of the hundreds of posters to his articles:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vigilante-injustice-organized-gang-stalking-american-gestapo-are-they-doing-hi-tech-torture
A note and a prayer to some of my most dedicated readers:
It is my studied conclusion that organized gang-stalking and domestic terrorism that harasses and tortures American citizens outside the bounds of the law is being committed by a nationwide network of citizen vigilantes -- many affiliated with government-funded community policing, neighborhood watch, and business-related anti-terrorism programs.
Public safety, utility company and municipal personnel also participate in this vigilante network, along with members of fraternal and civic organizations.
This unlawful and unconstitutional activity appears to occur with some knowledge on the part of persons working in official capacity for various government agencies, civilian, military/security and law enforcement, on multiple levels -- local, state and federal.
My personal experiences indicate that this network is used as a tool of extra-legal control and persecution of those who are deemed a threat to the anti-democratic and authoritarian ideology they seek to impose on America, and for that matter, the world.
I call it an anti-American Gestapo, a descent into a fascist police state.
The "real criminals" who rob, steal and assault and kill are processed though the judicial system.
The "special enemies" get the gang-stalking and the domestic terrorism, including radiation weapons assault that results in physical harm, illness, and eventually, death.
So these are "death squads." In America 2008.
I come to this conclusion based upon what has been happening to me for nearly the past five years.
Some commentators to my articles on the subjects of organized gang stalking and domestic torture have asked, "Why would our own government harass and torture American citizens?"
I am not saying government people are the "doers." I am saying that from circumstantial evidence and personal experience, based on the vehicles used to stalk me; the constant surveillance of all types; the use of directed energy weapons (they are really radiation energy weapons); and the reluctance of federal and local law enforcement to open a formal investigation despite my repeated requests; it appears that government, its funding resources, and personnel are aware of and involved in this activity to varying degrees.
I have sought justice for nearly five years and continue to be under physical assault and financial peril due to unjust, extra-legal "targeting," and I believe my family is suffering as well. My communications have been subject to not only surveillance, but to interception, tampering and alteration. I have been kept from making personal contact with those in a position to order a full and complete investigation of reports of extra-legal, unconstitutional harassment and torture of American citizens. These programs have denied me the right to fully pursue my career, and have diminished the quality of my life and the state of my health.
This is slow genocide, a monstrous crime against humanity. I am not alone, I am certain. How many Americans are subject to this depravity? The million-plus on the "terrorist" watch list? Or even more? Are political "enemies" targeted? How about journalists who have "afflicted the comfortable and comforted the afflicted"?
It also appears to me that many of the posters to my articles on this subject are not merely readers, but are active participants in what is commonly known as "paid disinformation" trolling. Their often telling comments -- at times, sadistic, with oblique references that only someone who is aware of my day-to-day life would know -- indicate to me that they may have personal knowledge of what I am enduring. Some appear by their comments to take a perverse sense of pleasure in my situation.
I ask them when they go to church on Sunday, to ask themselves, "What would Jesus say?" Especially since Jesus endured the same sort of treatment at the hands of the Romans.
Those engaged in this activity are anti-American felons and traitors who are guilty of crimes against the United States, humanity, and God. Shame on you and may God have mercy on your depraved souls.
When you pray, remember my words. That is my "neurolinguistic" wish.
(Certain "ops" people believe in "neurolinguistic programming," the implantation of propaganda by repeated use of key words and phrases; so I am trying the theory out on those involved in the gang-stalking "ops.")
And those who read the posts probably are smart enough to separate the truthful posts from the purposeful, determined and sadistic and harassing disinformation here.
Have a nice day, and please think of me, my family and your other victims in your prayers.
-- Vic Livingston, members.nowpublic.com/scrivener
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at 13:13 on February 5th, 2009
Hello.
Your questions are irrelevant and your comments are pathetic. Coming Soon: A Website exposing these Gang-Stalking Terrorists, complete with Photos, Videos, Names, Home Addresses, Phone Numbers, Place of Employment (When Applicable), Employer's Information (when Applicable), License Plate Numbers, Their Family Members Involved (Children, etc), The laws which define their crimes of Terrorism, Murder, Attempted Murder, Treason, etc. The laws to have them arrested, tried and Executed including the Patriot Act that defines them as Enemy Combatants and gives full legal rights to stop them by any means necessary to protect oneself, their family and this country. To those of you who think you are so smug and protected by the feds and the intelligence agencies....think again. They themselves will kill you when they deem it necessary. Once you are exposed, you are a liability. The feds are only attempting to protect your identities to protect their own identities. Well all is about to change. They will be scrambling, like you, to protect themselves. There is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. I look forward to the illegal attempts to shut down the website which will not be easy nor achieved. This is one of my many fields of expertise. And I look forward to any legal attempts at lawsuits that you snitches and feds i.e. murdering, treasonous, terrorists can try. I look forward to your deaths. Keep in mind that I will never allow for any plea deals to be made and I am certain that many targets and all other God Loving, Law Abiding, Red Blooded Patriotic Americans feel the same way. Nothing can help you now!!!!! And perhaps you Alida Cornelius and your Daughter of 715 Mulberry Street, Madison, IN will be on the website once it is confirmed that you are indeed two bit gang-stalking terrorists. Only two bit snitches go out of their way to post such ridiculous dribble.at 17:49 on March 15th, 2009
Hi DT: I have a short note about many of these types
the groups of people below will try to delegitimize or otherwise stop US from finding out more truth or from continuing to speak it. Keep in mind that the people shown below are at various stages of recognition about the process and their hostility towards those of US who speak this truth will vary tremendously:1) city, state and federal government employees;
2) pensioners/disabled (especially those faking disability);
3) government contractors (you would be surprised who shows up in the category!);
4) those people hoping to get jobs with government or a contractor;
5) many people related to any of the above; 6) others who live off government.
Remember this will tend to quell dissent in major ways. One of the primary reasons that the above will try to stop US is financial: they’re largely invested in the system and determined to keep it going! (If the economy continues to worsen, look for these associations to form ever closer alliances for the purpose of protecting their shares of the pie!)
If you attempt to present these ideas to any of the parties mentioned above, be sure to do it gently: many participants know not what they do!
From the bewilderness—thanks for coming! Peace and Love always.
Thanks for all you do!
at 16:48 on October 8th, 2008
Quote - "Maryland State police placed the names of 53 left-leaning political activists into federal and state databases, labeling them as terrorists, the state's police chief admitted Tuesday."
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/10/maryland-cops-p.html#comments
at 02:51 on March 6th, 2009
This has been occurring all across the country.
It just goes to show that the real terrorists are the government and state agencies who are supposed to be protecting us and upholding the Constitution.
So I ask, "Who are the real terrorists?"
at 18:37 on October 9th, 2008
I've seen and read the "DTStocton" site long ago.
There is too much superfluous carp (shit) included in his claims.
I don't take him seriously, even though there is other information on his site that is true, but that is part of disinformation 101.
A burst bug is a device that records and usually compresses audio, video, one or both and transmits that information as a high bandwidth *burst*, usually on the edge of a prevailing. constantly broadcasting frequency, to hide it's presence as a spike. These transmissions are on demand or at a selected time.
"Burst bugs" are well known among surveillance experts.
I would not put past the making of a 'cyborg" by certain entities, but in reality common communications can do all that the "stalkers" are doing.
at 03:26 on March 6th, 2009
The superfluous carp is you and your bullshit. You are spreading the disinformation.
The use of burst bug is used because of a lack of a better name to call the implant. The implant acts in much the same way which is why the term is used. This does not null and void the fact that such an implant does exist and is being used.
So the disinformation 101 is coming from you.
This is to be expected from two bit gang-stalking terrorists such as you. I look forward to exposing all of you and having each and every one of you executed by our courts. Do know this, under the Patriot Act all snitches and agents are defined as Enemy Combatants (Terrorists) and can be stopped by any means deemed necessary by any and all Patriotic, Red Blood Americans.
Good luck in your disinformation 101 agenda.
If people are stupid enough to believe you, then they get what they deserve.
The people who are targets will see through your disinformation bullshit.
Coming Soon:
A Website exposing these Gang-Stalking Terrorists, complete with Photos, Videos, Names, Home Addresses, Phone Numbers, Place of Employment (When Applicable), Employer's Information (when Applicable), License Plate Numbers, Their Family Members Involved (Children, etc), The laws which define their crimes of Terrorism, Murder, Attempted Murder, Treason, etc. The laws to have them arrested, tried and Executed including the Patriot Act that defines them as Enemy Combatants and gives full legal rights to stop them by any means necessary to protect oneself, their family and this country.
To those of you who think you are so smug and protected by the feds and the intelligence agencies....think again. They themselves will kill you when they deem it necessary. Once you are exposed, you are a liability. The feds are only attempting to protect your identities to protect their own identities. Well all is about to change. They will be scrambling, like you, to protect themselves.
There is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.
I look forward to the illegal attempts to shut down the website which will not be easy nor achieved. This is one of my many fields of expertise. And I look forward to any legal attempts at lawsuits that you snitches and feds i.e. murdering, treasonous, terrorists can try.
I look forward to your deaths. Keep in mind that I will never allow for any plea deals to be made and I am certain that many targets and all other God Loving, Law Abiding, Red Blooded Patriotic Americans feel the same way.
Nothing can help you now!!!!!
at 17:10 on October 26th, 2008
Christ quote: "Forgive them father, they know not what they do."
Christ knew people were stupid and easily sold out to evil over 2,000 years ago. I spent the last 8 years of my life enduring this gang stalking bullsh*t. All I can say, is it caused me losses parellel to hurricane/typhoon/earthquake proportions in personal property and stress. I can only believe with faith, that the perpetrators will bear spiritual horrors equal to and greater than those they needlessly brought into my life. At least I hope that happens...every minute of every day...Suffer you evil pukes!To a degree that it destroys EVERYTHING in your life...the same way you did it to me! Amen!!!
at 12:51 on February 4th, 2009
If you are spiritual as you state, stop the negative energy at these pieces of garbage. They are not worth it. Spend the time praying for positive things to come your way. The negative thoughts only come back to you.
Good things are coming to those of us who are enduring this terrorism, I guarantee.
at 02:03 on April 21st, 2009
I try not to call anyone 'trash', 'garbage' or 'lost causes' because I don't believe that God sees them that way. Sure, I get angry--and have to deal with dis-believing spouse, children, etc. so, that makes the fight that much harder. But, God says to Forgive. Sometimes it's hard. Almost impossible. But it's not impossible. It's just hard. But, to obey God---We Have to Do It. There's no other way. Jesus said to "Love your enemies, do good to those that hurt you.....and forgive 70 x 7 times...." The seeming paradox of His yoke being easy and His burden being light-----is just that----a paradox. Because when we get 'Beyond Ourselves, stepping outside,' and Obey Him---Just Obey [!!] It Will Work. It Has To. Because He said it would. It's the only Way. He is the only Way...
Every time it happens----Every time you think about it--------Forgive.
at 12:24 on October 29th, 2008
There is no media attention to this subject even though 3 million TI's are estimated and there are probably as many stalkers nationwide.
There are no live group help forums.
I believe that this is an FBI COINTELPRO.
If you want to discuss a federal FOIA suit or any group action contact me at
klabellaesq@yahoo.com
at 08:57 on December 9th, 2008
Mr. LaBella:
I am leaving you a note here because my email is being intercepted and most of what I send out does not get a response. Please take the time to read all of the stories I have posted relating to extrajudicial targeting, community/gang stalking, etc. , and please do a Google search on me (I am NOT the Victor Livingston who is a Hollywood film director. He is not a journalist. I'm a long-time print and TV journalist/producer.)
I am literally being subject to both physical harm and social genocide. My home has been invaded, my health degraded, property vandalized, I've been slandered in my residential and professional communities, and my finances have been sabotaged. This is a national vigilante network and I believe it is coordinated by agencies of government on multiple levels. This network has even infiltrated the health care system. It is pervasive, using anti-terrorism as a cover for ideologically-driven social engineering. I believe aggressive journalists have been subject to extensive profiling and, in certain cases, career subversion. I was quite well-known and successful and these programs of personal destruction have decimated my career and damaged my health. Directed energy weapons are now widely deployed and are being used against civilians as a means of both control and slow torture. My story about this subject quotes a recent FBI report on the potential lethality of this silent, invisible weaponry.
I visited the Philadelphia office of the FBI multiple times to formally request a civil rights investigation. My requests have gone unmet. The last time I visited the FBI, my civil rights were violated on the premises. I was told to leave and to never return and then I was subject to humiliating treatment. First, they asked if I minded if they took my picture. I said, go ahead, I used to be on TV. They took my picture -- and then had me escorted from the building by an armed guard for no justifiable reason. That might be a place to start.
I have endured this persecution for five years. For the first three and a half years, I was physically unable to take remedial actions due to almost constant DEW assault in my own home, as well as what I believe has been poisoning of foodstuffs, which has led to persistent adverse health effects. I appealed to county law enforcement officials; some of the most overt stalking, such as vehicles tailgating me and nearly causing accidents, subsided -- but the stalking persists, even when I travel out of the area, across state lines. This treatment could not occur so persistently without some elements law enforcement looking the other way. My home has been entered and property vandalized (even clothing). This is terrorism, and I believe it's being officially countenanced, if only because my many requests for an official investigation have been denied, at least to my knowledge. The modus operandi is for these forces to discredit and marginalize victims by labeling them as mentally unbalanced and delusional, or to slander them as wrongdoers and thus somehow deserving of extrajudicial punishment. This is the typical response of totalitarian regimes when faced with those who would deign to "dissent" or who are perceived to be whistleblowers or troublemakers.
I've also found that agents have posed as persons seeking to "help" me. If you attempt to contact me, it's likely that an agent will pose as you and that I may never be able to confirm whether it's you or yet another unconstitutional assault on my civil rights.
After you have read my work and the comments section (many of them from tormentors, I believe), please post here with a suggested course of action. You can try to email me (address is on my "channel" page) but my email is subject to interception and even content tampering and alteration. I need an advocate willing to take on this cause on behalf of the untold thousands of Americans who are being subject to this persecution. Perhaps a class action would provide sufficient financial incentive for you to take on this urgent cause.
They have destroyed my career and I will not go down without a fight against this creeping fascism. I have been hoping that "good people on the inside" will come to my aid, but it hasn't happened... although I do think the instances of food poisoning and extremely debilitating DEW attack subsided after my first two visits to the FBI. I'm not convinced the FBI has a handle on this, because I believe other secretive and powerful agencies, including military and security/intelligence, are involved in what appears to be a covert and insidious campaign of social engineering (see http://monarchnewphoenix.blogspot.com, "How to Destroy an Activist.") The FBI may turn out to be the "good guys" here, or so I hope.
I believe my life is in danger, as well as the lives and well-being of my interests. Please consider taking this on. Not for my sake alone, but for humanity's sake.
at 10:30 on December 14th, 2008
It is clear that Vic's primary diagnosis is querulous paranoia. But he is not alone, a recent UK study showed that up to 50% of those surveyed reported paranoid thinking.
Approximately 10–20% of the survey respondents held paranoid ideation with strong conviction and significant distress, not unlike Vic.
One in three people in the UK regularly suffers paranoid or suspicious fears
* Over 40% of people regularly worry that negative comments are being made about them
* 27% think that people deliberately try to irritate them
* 20% worry about being observed or followed
* 10% think that someone has it in for them
* 5% worry that there is a conspiracy to harm them
at 17:22 on December 14th, 2008
Indeed, a primary diagnosis of querulous paranoia, with a secondary diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia, primarily due to the patient's constant assertions of attack by bizarre electromagnetic frequency weapons.
The following, taken from the Wikipedia article on the subject of schizophrenia could help to further feed the patients delusions of persecution:
The diagnosis of schizophrenia has been used for political rather than therapeutic purposes; in the Soviet Union an additional sub-classification of sluggishly progressing schizophrenia was created. Particularly in the RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic), this diagnosis was used for the purpose of silencing political dissidents or forcing them to recant their ideas by the use of forcible confinement and treatment.[35] In 2000 there were similar concerns regarding detention and 'treatment' of practitioners of the Falun Gong movement by the Chinese government. This led the American Psychiatric Association's Committee on the Abuse of Psychiatry and Psychiatrists to pass a resolution to urge the World Psychiatric Association to investigate the situation in China.[36]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_schizophrenia#Issues_and_controversies
at 05:12 on December 16th, 2008
And it's clear that you wouldn't make the effort to attempt to discredit me if I weren't telling the truth.
But should you be so transparent? Have a nice day!
at 20:14 on November 7th, 2008
scrivener,
I posted before, that when I went to the FBI office for the second time, I was *swarmed* by stalkers with one of them going before me to the FBI entrance.
I watched him make "hand signals" to the agent at the door that I now know are called "talking hands".
I was treated like what I know now as an "internal threat", as labeled by someone with access to these unconstitutional *crimes against humanity*.
The FBI as well as well as Homeland Security are fully aware of these Nazi/Stasi programs that have escalated after the 911 events.
I have experienced continuous chemicaland electronic assaults for seven years.
I want to know *why*.
at 20:14 on November 7th, 2008
scrivener,
I posted before, that when I went to the FBI office for the second time, I was *swarmed* by stalkers with one of them going before me to the FBI entrance.
I watched him make "hand signals" to the agent at the door that I now know are called "talking hands".
I was treated like what I know now as an "internal threat", as labeled by someone with access to these unconstitutional *crimes against humanity*.
The FBI as well as well as Homeland Security are fully aware of these Nazi/Stasi programs that have escalated after the 911 events.
I have experienced continuous chemical and electronic assaults for seven years.
I want to know *why*.
at 14:25 on November 8th, 2008
If you re-read my articles you'll discern why this is happening to innocent Americans who are regarded as "dissidents," "dissenters," "troublemakers," "whistleblowers," who are falsely accused of wrongdoing and then subjected to extrajudicial targeting, harassment and slow torture at the hands of people who don't have the good sense or personal ethics to realize they are pawns in a nefarious ideological game.
at 16:30 on November 18th, 2008
This is an very old game that has been given cute new
names by the disinformation people like gang stalking, multi
stalking, vengeance stalking, cause stalking, stalking by
proxy, organised stalking, organized harassment, group
stalking, community mobbing, etc.
Why do you think the authors of the US Bill of Rights went
to such great lengths to include rights like trial by jury,
speedy trials, unreasonable searches and seizures, cruel and
unusual punishments, and all the rest.
Do you think they may have been trying to tell us something?
The disinformation campaigns for these programs are
completely overwhelming. I wouldn't believe anything I read
about it online.
Vic Livingston is completely correct about the
"neurolinguistic" programming that the gangstalking "help" sites
engage in.
at 13:29 on November 27th, 2008
"Me-too" said:
<<The disinformation campaigns for these programs are
completely overwhelming. I wouldn't believe anything I read
about it online.>>
Scrivener said:
And isn't that the purpose of your post, neurolinguistically programmingly- speaking? To discredit "anything I read about it online" -- including this article?
Thanks for the opportunity to make the point. And yes, you are correct about those Constitutional protections. Even though you stated it online, I believe you're correct.
at 12:48 on November 20th, 2008
Hi Vic, I posted a few times on your American Gestapo web site...I thought we could perhaps circumvent the felonious and corrupt email hijacking if I gave you my address:
Dave Stout
PO Box 1087
20 Butler
Westcliffe, CO 81252
I think we should somehow co-author a book together...let me know your thoughts as again, this has been happening to me since 1994...they are weak without their technology and the street muscle is a joke...if any one of the cowards were to confront me directly and one on one...well, that's just a fantasy since they are so spineless
at 15:36 on November 25th, 2008
Quick as possible from an American/Christian suffering through the same struggles and continuing on:
Communism and the climate for social control for a social Hitlerian"order" is being brought in.In other words, the atmosphere is being created for the rise of Dictatorship that is opposed to any type of freedom. What we see and experience is the obvious conditioning.. What the rest of the mainstream doesn't know is what many of us are sadly recognizing: that it is purely wicked; seeks to control every aspect of the life...
I recommend a book by Malachi Martin, called "Keys of This Blood"...especially for the fellow Christian who is suffering this abuse as well as everyone else...
at 10:30 on December 1st, 2008
I live in N.E. Ohio about 1 mile east of the
Akron Canton airport. The ELF's here are very present to me. I also have been gang stalked. I am pretty much nobody so I believe I pissed off someone who has access to this group of thugs. I will be glad to take action if anyone wants to contact me.
at 04:40 on December 5th, 2008
Here's a funny thing about the "I am nobody", Jeff, and it's even more applicable to doubters who are incredulous about any entity taking the time and expending the resources to go after a "nobody". First, it's the only way they can continue to get away with their crimes. There are exceptions, for instance going after a known and credible journalist such as Kevin, but imagine if all of us had his voice, it wouldn't have lasted this long I'd bet. Secondly I am under the belief that most of these cases, well it's not about "us" at all. Why would people in government risk their jobs going after "undesirables" as many perps think we are? I've yet to hear a story of a TI who sounded like they were really a danger to their community. So if it's not about US it's about THEM-the perps and their handlers. Since this seems to be derived from community policing and neighborhood watch programs- who have members who are good people of conscience, not the sociopaths who would be perps- I would surmise what's going on is solidifying the network of snitches and thinning out the ranks of anyone who would not follow orders without question and ensure they would readily inflict unspeakable harm upon neighbors or strangers who have done nothing to them at all. As that is accomplished, or if it already has, the order of the day would be to simply keep these bullies and wannabe james bond types busy and off the streets themselves, and be ready for whatever action their handlers have planned. Keep them focusing their energies on us rather than more nefarious activities.
Think of what kind of person volunteers to park their car down the street from someone's house on their own time for a few hours a night, in the hopes that a person they don't even know might open a curtain or pop out, so they can drive at them and intimidate them with their brights on? A nutcase, that's who. If they weren't down my block doing it out of their patriotic duty, they'd be down the block of an ex-wife or girlfriend doing it out of spite. So maybe a lot of this has to do with keeping some of society's REAL whackjobs on the right path, and going to work every day instead of hanging out at the playgrounds, if you know what I mean. To them it's sport, it's a game.
I just know I hear the "why you, you don't matter, nobody would go to that kind of trouble" thing and it's fallacious logic. Why do some litttle boys torture small animals? I don't care, there is no reason, but they do.Many get older but don't grow up, they become perps.
at 19:18 on December 6th, 2008
So maybe a lot of this has to do with keeping some of society's REAL whackjobs on the right path, and going to work every day instead of hanging out at the playgrounds, if you know what I mean." Is this your's. Most of what you said seemed right on until here. Or is patriotic duty what you call looking the other way while they fly planes into buildings so you can scare people into agreeing to give up rights. How about letting someone smack you in the back with a baseball bat tossing you and your family in the street and tell you to work for half of what you did with no hospitalization and tell you it's good for the economy. REAL whackjobs have their nose so far up your ass and business they can smell your balls.
at 04:42 on December 5th, 2008
correction, above I said "kevin" when I meant "vic". it's late, I'm tired, I don't know where that kevin thing came from.....
at 09:20 on December 5th, 2008
So let me get this straight: The people behind these programs plot and plan to destroy the life and career of a respected investigative/business/consumer reporter so that they can keep a watch on the riff-raff and thugs who comprise the "street muscle" of organized gang stalking?
I guess it's more palatable to make excuses for physical and psychological abuse, harassment, menacing, career sabotage, vandalism, even covert D.E.W. radiation assaults and poisoning of food and water, than to admit to their sanctioning of criminal behavior, constitutional violations, crimes against humanity and fascist tactics.
I have often written of "the good people on the inside." I am more confident than ever that they are watching my tormentors -- not just those on the street, but officials inside local, state and federal agencies of government -- and that justice day is nigh.
I even think they know about how stalkers in pickup trucks and official vehicles (even an AMBULANCE and fire department SUVs) are actively engaged in the constant stalking and harassment of Vic Livingston throughout Bucks County, PA, or wherever he travels -- in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Washington, D.C., Maryland, New York -- anywhere.
And I think they are wondering: How can local officials NOT know that WE, who Vic refers to as "the good people on the inside," are wondering why local authorities haven't stopped it -- and why they think they will not be held to account?
My theory, "batvette," is that these "locals" think they are somehow "protected" by other official entities.
Is their presumption about to be tested by the "good people on the inside"?
Have a nice day, "batvette."
at 05:10 on December 6th, 2008
Well as I said, you might be considered an exception regarding my "they go after nobodies" theory- more accurately, I think you know as well as I that for everything each of our stories have in common, there are just as many differences in our situations- and that uniqueness seems to vary from city to city as much as individual to individual. I've heard of places where all the perps are local good old boy organized crime, here in San Diego the ones I've observed are right wing nutjobs and mean spirited do-gooders. You got fingered for exposing someone, with no fault of your own, I have a pretty good ethical standard and do a lot of things for my neighbors, like fix their cars and plumbing for free but there are things in my past which certain zealots who don't know me might see as justification to call me "undesirable", so our situations are definately different. (of course nothing anyone does justifies denial of due process)
Really I think Eleanor White made an excellent point in her e-booklet in this passage:
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I ask the reader to understand the position of targets of organized stalking. Out of the blue, they see a blizzard of harassment for which there is no apparent cause. Every facet of their lives has come under attack, both by strangers and even some of their acquaintences. They can be forced out of their jobs by unceasing harassment. Their children, pets, and family members can be harassed as well. All in ways carefully designed so that outside observers can dismiss complaints as "over-active imagination."
It is a perfectly natural response for a target to grasp at any article at all that mentions organized stalking or electronic harassment, and post it.
It is perfectly natural to develop personal theories as to why this is suddenly happening to them, because there is almost no official information available.
Just as a drowning person will sometimes try to force a rescuer under water in a desperate bid to get above the water, organized stalking targets will proclaim their information and claims loudly, on the Internet, trying to get public attention to end their nightmare. They are not able to exercise the laid back critical thinking that they could before the targeting began.
So for you, reader, it is essential to understand that the many sites with unsupportable claims are not necessarily an indication of delusion, but instead, the natural result of desperation, perpetrator secrecy, and having all public officials deny organized stalking is even possible.
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You and I are both sailing in uncharted waters, and in completely different vessels- yet we both look over the horizon at each others' masts for guidance. It's all we've got but we need to remember that the winds carry us in as different of directions as our situations are. So much of what we discuss are purely assumptions, it is frustrating when we just have these sneaky little ****s trying to ruin our lives and it's all done in secrecy. Someone wants to ruin you, and they have their reason. Someone wants to ruin me, and they have their reason. In my case I might be a person who some people in community steering groups could villify as their cause of the day, though I have no criminal record. Neither of us are of sufficient concern for anyone in government to risk their positions with this bizarre activity, so I can only conclude it's got a purpose bigger than us down the road- and we can pretty much assume most of the street level perps are more likely to be John Wayne Gacys or Jeffrey Dahmers in sheep's clothing than any of us are, so take it from there.
So I guess in summary I can't claim to have the answers but I'm willing to sit in the room next to you and throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks. :-)
at 10:46 on December 6th, 2008
The assertions in my articles are supported and verified by first-hand experience and/or first-hand reporting. Where I present theorizes, such information is labeled as such.
If you regard my work as "throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks," that's your right.
But it's also my right to theorize that you, too, many be among the ranks of the paid disinformation agents who display such a keen interest in posting comments to my work.
Have a nice day, "batvette"
at 23:11 on December 8th, 2008
If you think I'm a paid disinformation agent:
#1. I'd like to know where I can submit a request for back pay..... and...
#2 Their actions have been successful as you've now become distrustful of those who seek alliance of like minded victims.
However think what you like. Read my posts and even research my username, I've nothing to hide, and this certainly isn't the only place on the internet I have a "keen interest" in.
It seems to me that those who seek to discredit this issue accuse people of being paranoid, and here you're just passing out ammunition to them.
at 23:34 on December 8th, 2008
This comment is toward Richard Rosenthal's statement that this could/should be easily proven.... not likely. Directed Energy Weapons, at least the high power microwave type, could operate anywhere in the radio frequency spectrum from 2.5 Ghz that the typical home microwave oven operates at, up to and beyond the 95 ghz that the active denial system that the military's JNLWP has developed operates at. Now I can buy a microwave leak detector and pick up 2.5 ghz, as long as it isn't pulsed. If it's pulsed the typical consumer available detector is useless.
Now when we get to the 95 ghz range, you will find that nothing is available at a cost practical to the average person to detect these beams of power, be they continuous OR pulsed. And should you take out a loan against your home and lug in a spectrum analyzer made by HP or Agilent, around $30k USED if you can find one.... they'll simply shut it off and you can prove nothing.
The government may be evil but they're not stupid.
(radio frequency detectors are available in the sub-$1000 range for coverage up to around 18 ghz- still far below what is believed to be the "pain ray" of harrassment. It seems a crime that the government even possesses this stuff, let alone is using it against us- "by the people, for the people"? **** you!)
The other problem of course is that if it's gotten to the point where you're looking to prove it, they've ruined your life to a stage where $30k or even $1k isn't laying around to buy test equipment.