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by Scrivener | September 6, 2008 at 11:03 pm
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Editor's Note: NowPublic.com "Get Political" columnist Vic Livingston has written several articles about the shocking phenomenon of organized gang-stalking and domestic torture in America, and the use of directed energy weapons as a means to inflict silent torture and physical harm. The following is extracted from a personal note he has addressed to some of the hundreds of posters to his articles:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa-1
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/vigilante-injustice-organized-gang-stalking-american-gestapo-are-they-doing-hi-tech-torture
A note and a prayer to some of my most dedicated readers:
It is my studied conclusion that organized gang-stalking and domestic terrorism that harasses and tortures American citizens outside the bounds of the law is being committed by a nationwide network of citizen vigilantes -- many affiliated with government-funded community policing, neighborhood watch, and business-related anti-terrorism programs.
Public safety, utility company and municipal personnel also participate in this vigilante network, along with members of fraternal and civic organizations.
This unlawful and unconstitutional activity appears to occur with some knowledge on the part of persons working in official capacity for various government agencies, civilian, military/security and law enforcement, on multiple levels -- local, state and federal.
My personal experiences indicate that this network is used as a tool of extra-legal control and persecution of those who are deemed a threat to the anti-democratic and authoritarian ideology they seek to impose on America, and for that matter, the world.
I call it an anti-American Gestapo, a descent into a fascist police state.
The "real criminals" who rob, steal and assault and kill are processed though the judicial system.
The "special enemies" get the gang-stalking and the domestic terrorism, including radiation weapons assault that results in physical harm, illness, and eventually, death.
So these are "death squads." In America 2008.
I come to this conclusion based upon what has been happening to me for nearly the past five years.
Some commentators to my articles on the subjects of organized gang stalking and domestic torture have asked, "Why would our own government harass and torture American citizens?"
I am not saying government people are the "doers." I am saying that from circumstantial evidence and personal experience, based on the vehicles used to stalk me; the constant surveillance of all types; the use of directed energy weapons (they are really radiation energy weapons); and the reluctance of federal and local law enforcement to open a formal investigation despite my repeated requests; it appears that government, its funding resources, and personnel are aware of and involved in this activity to varying degrees.
I have sought justice for nearly five years and continue to be under physical assault and financial peril due to unjust, extra-legal "targeting," and I believe my family is suffering as well. My communications have been subject to not only surveillance, but to interception, tampering and alteration. I have been kept from making personal contact with those in a position to order a full and complete investigation of reports of extra-legal, unconstitutional harassment and torture of American citizens. These programs have denied me the right to fully pursue my career, and have diminished the quality of my life and the state of my health.
This is slow genocide, a monstrous crime against humanity. I am not alone, I am certain. How many Americans are subject to this depravity? The million-plus on the "terrorist" watch list? Or even more? Are political "enemies" targeted? How about journalists who have "afflicted the comfortable and comforted the afflicted"?
It also appears to me that many of the posters to my articles on this subject are not merely readers, but are active participants in what is commonly known as "paid disinformation" trolling. Their often telling comments -- at times, sadistic, with oblique references that only someone who is aware of my day-to-day life would know -- indicate to me that they may have personal knowledge of what I am enduring. Some appear by their comments to take a perverse sense of pleasure in my situation.
I ask them when they go to church on Sunday, to ask themselves, "What would Jesus say?" Especially since Jesus endured the same sort of treatment at the hands of the Romans.
Those engaged in this activity are anti-American felons and traitors who are guilty of crimes against the United States, humanity, and God. Shame on you and may God have mercy on your depraved souls.
When you pray, remember my words. That is my "neurolinguistic" wish.
(Certain "ops" people believe in "neurolinguistic programming," the implantation of propaganda by repeated use of key words and phrases; so I am trying the theory out on those involved in the gang-stalking "ops.")
And those who read the posts probably are smart enough to separate the truthful posts from the purposeful, determined and sadistic and harassing disinformation here.
Have a nice day, and please think of me, my family and your other victims in your prayers.
-- Vic Livingston, members.nowpublic.com/scrivener
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at 02:24 on December 9th, 2008
Upon further reflection of your reply, Vic, I have a couple of points that escaped my often derailed train of thought, and at least one is applicable to spiderviper as well.
#1 I think you misconstrued the point of the post. It wasn't to reduce YOUR entries to "**** being thrown at the wall" it was a concession that MY previous thoughts are partially my own experiences wrapped up with the experiences of others I've seen in many hours researching this since it began. And thus I admit some of my hypothesis may be flawed, and included the Eleanor White passage as a somewhat related explanation.
(I think if you really stood back and looked at the presentation you make about the stalkers, who they are and why they do what they do, then compared that to the actual information you have been able to personally glean as factual from the ones who are doing it to YOU, you might find you have added some assumptions from the experiences of others-we all do it because we search for an answer nobody can give us- take that as you will, even if it is uncomfortable to accept)
#2 Your case is actually an anomaly, not the norm- in that you are a person whose field of work had them in the public eye. Most of us are in fact nobodies, and this was another point of mine, that nearly everyone's story, and thus the reasons and observations we ponder and compare, are going to be different. Thus you may not understand what applies to me because it certainly doesn't apply to you.
#3, to spiderviper, I'll walk you through this in detail.
Nobody I have seen the story of is the kind of person that government needs to "get rid of" for the good of society. I am no danger to the community and I doubt vic is, and if they just wanted to **** him over for being a whistleblower there are a hundred times a hundred ways to do it quick with no strings attached and a thousand intelligence agency spooks and private hit men to do it. So why on earth would so many people in government risk their jobs (and even possible prosecution for some pretty horrendous crimes) developing and honing the skills of this vast network? IT'S NOT ABOUT US. WE AREN'T WORTH THE TROUBLE ON THE MANAGEMENT LEVEL. On the level of the lower perps, the motivation is simple. They are busibodies, grown up bullies, wannabe cops who didn't make the cut on the day they had a hiring freeze on sociopaths. From my viewpoint, THOSE people fit the personality profile for the guy who molests kids and beats up the ex-wife as he follows her home from her new boyfriend's house.
Vic now stop and remember, your story may not apply to this theory. You pissed off someone at an upper level, and that was sufficient reason for someone to risk their own liability to **** you over. You AREN'T a danger to your community though, so their motivation could not be the "public good through the parallel justice system".
I know it's still a bit confusing, but politicians on the local level have public accountability as one of the few things they have to worry about, and nothing gets the public's blood boiling like a serial rapist or domestic violence cases. NONE of us are those type of people, period. You know who is?
Someone who drives up and down the block at 3 am shining their brights on people's houses, hoping to get a reaction out of them- and they volunteered for it.
The preceding was a theory and can be considered the bible truth or complete malarky.
Take it as you will. It makes sense to me.
at 08:07 on December 9th, 2008
Your post, above, reminded me of a response I wrote the other night to "TIJohn" in the comments section of my article entitled "American Gestapo." I repost that response here:
Authoritarian governments throughout the ages have tried to silence those regarded as "dissidents," "whistleblowers" or "troublemakers" by attempting to slander and frame them by way of false accusations, character assassination and fabricated "evidence." But too many people know the truth in America 2008 and the Nazi-like "Big Lie" won't work.
Personally, I've endured five years of clumsy set-ups and state-sanctioned torture. These felonious acts and crimes against humanity have degraded my health and decimated my earnings capacity.
But now the truth is out, and good people on the inside are talking to good people elsewhere in government.
Someone asked me in a post, "Can't you get a job?" I replied: "This is my job."
Guess what? MY JOB IS DONE. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. AND IT'S NOT JUST A COMPUTER-GENERATED BANNER. THIS IS FOR REAL.
It's well beyond Vic Livingston or any single victim, my tormentors. Whatever happens now, I can either live in inner peace, or rest at peace. Each additional affront to my well-being and to that of my interests is but another count in the indictment against those who have damaged America by turning our representative democracy into a fascist police state.
Rogues: Better save yourselves and get on the right side of the law, along with "the good people on the inside" who've had enough of neo-fascism in America. At this very moment, they are taking steps to restore the rule of law and to bring to justice those who have shredded the Constitution by their continuing violation of basic human rights.
And the good people on the inside are aware of the D.E.W. attack unleashed upon me last night when I attempted to circumvent your censorship of my internet communications. I failed. This time. I won't stop trying to exercise my constitutional rights. Will my censors continue their unconstitutional interceptions and interference?
Don't they realize my intended recipients GOT THE MESSAGE?
Evil and foolishness DO co-exist.
That's my response to your latest post on this thread, "batvette." Have a nice day.
at 11:56 on December 10th, 2008
I apologize for my "paranoia" it gets the best of me because of these pricks and I know that's just what they want. The facts are I don't know much more than that I believe I'm being harrassed by a group of people. As an example, my daughter and I were at a store and this one guy who seemed to be stalking me was staring at me. He had on shorts at the time and was kinda posing with his leg up and his elbow on his knee so I said to my daughter this guy is trying to show you his sexy legs. I'm sure when their intent is to scare you and you laugh at them it pisses them off. On the way home we were stopped at an intersection and someone in an older red SUV pulled up beside us blocking my view. the light turned green and he just sat there so I started to inch up and all of a sudden some old lady came flying by.
We could have both been killed. I don't think they would sacrifice one of their own but wondered if they could have somehow distracted her which is easier to do to the elderly. I have had lug nuts loosened and tires flatened, one most recently a block away from the police station. This is just a sample of things that have happened. Not to mention the low pitch hum that is currently going on and bank overdraft charges for no apparent reason but lots of people seem to have that problem. Banks have made billions from these fees and then are handed bail out money? It makes it hard to trust the government when things like this happen.
Todays news mentioned that "Joe the Plumber" was appalled by McCains answer when he asked what was this money for. I Have a lot to say about all this but really don't want to waste alot of time on it so gonna go for now.
at 14:33 on December 12th, 2008
Your NLP couldn't be more transparent. Thanks for checking in.
at 09:43 on December 9th, 2008
I don't mean to discourage, and as someone in your shoes it would be unconstructive if I did because your "larger voice" as a journalist may ultimately mean my own survival, but....
"But now the truth is out, and good people on the inside are talking to good people elsewhere in government."
From my own experience passing out flyers and telling people about all this, I don't share your optimism. The general public doesn't care if they're not affected, and if it's ultimately exposed we won't see people outed and brought to justice, we'll see the whole thing denied and buried like the shameful secret it is. Really, in your experience in political commentary, when has government outed itself and bared its soul and brought itself to justice for the benefit of victimized constituents? Even your profession left you out in the cold, why would the government be different?
See the sample text of the current flyer on my fence as I posted in your "zapped" article, where I resorted to a plea to their own personal safety, about the dangers of microwave energy's effects on them. That is an angle I thought I'd take a shot at-because I know that people don't give a crap about me to walk across the street and pee on me if I'm on fire.
Think they care about you? Let's hope so, for all our sake, but don't put all your eggs in that basket. You might the "government's making YOU and YOUR children sick with their DEW!" thing as a backup...
at 14:20 on December 12th, 2008
BATVETTE SAID:
"Even your profession left you out in the cold, why would the government be different?"
You are SO wrong, on both counts.
But thanks for the candor. Keep hope alive!
at 11:44 on December 9th, 2008
At risk of overstaying my welcome, as it were, in the forum of your post, I nonetheless finally offer a humble disclaimer: My need for personal validation does not ourweigh the human instinct of self preservation. I hope I am wrong, and you are right, and your efforts put a stop to this.
This morning, BTW, brought the passage of a milestone. One of the vehicle perps, as he drove slowly down my street and glared as I hosed off my truck, for the first time in over 3 years of different vehicle parades, acknowledged his agenda. He dangled his hand out the window and discreetly gave me the finger.
I'm actually impressed one of them seems to have a spine.
at 14:07 on December 12th, 2008
The street thugs will be the first to be sacrificed when folks with a conscience start to think they're about to be exposed and have to find some sacrificial lambs. Then the street muscle, trying to save themselves, will start to sing, and some bigger fish will get fried. That's usually how these things go. The top of the food chain may be spared, but attacking civilians with radiation weapons has been exposed and the savagery will end. Critical mass has been achieved.
You're "resistance is futile" meme, whether sincere or disinfo, may be wishful thinking for those guilty of crimes against humanity. The first goal of the psychological warrior is to extinguish their targets' HOPE. It won't work. Have a nice day. Keep hope alive.
at 03:05 on December 15th, 2008
You are SO wrong, on both counts.
Well my comment was regarding:
I believe you claimed or implied that the campaign waged against you by the perps has ruined your career or made success in your line of work difficult.... and...
It seems you have been unable to convince any of your former colleagues in the media with mainstream exposure to grasp your story and get it out in public.
If I am wrong about either or both, my apologies, however I think my observation was rather accurate if I wasn't. I'm still scratching the tip of what's being shown in the media and I am under the impression it's still being ignored. Your last post implies it's our in the public eye and I strongly disagree. The vast majority think it's complete science fiction if you mention DEW or the related matter of TWS privacy violations. They can count the change in your pocket as you walk around your house and people have no idea. What is their satellite based capability? I don't know but it may be shocking, it's all classified.
You have my position wrong if you think it's "resistance is futile".For my part in my neighborhood I've had a never ending series of signs in my windows and flyers in a pouch on my gate, and when the vehicle perps gather in the parking lot adjacent to my backyard with their nightly "brighting" convoys, I sometimes greet them with a big handheld HID searchlight, its singular beam is brighter than several car headlights. (I don't shine it at their windshields, which is illegal, but just having it on and out intimidates them and they usually leave in frustration, but return minutes later to the parking lot hoping for another chance)
I wish they'd just go away but if I can't have that I'll make it sporting, so much they can put me in their books as the biggest pain in the ass they've had in my town. I resist alright, I think your belief that the cavalry is going to come to your (our/my) rescue if you simply get the word out to the public is naive and silly. People in general simply don't care if it doesn't affect them! I tell you what, if your skin was 3 shades darker and you were in Gitmo and Bush was zapping you we'd have capital hill shut down for a month of hearings. Only for political opportunism, leftists never gave a crap about the detainees. Jesus christ, over a million American citizens languish in US prisons, many on non violent crimes related to drug policy, and get raped or worse, does anyone care? No. You've got to present this to the world in a way that appeals to their own concern for their own thin skin, like "It could happen to YOU next" or what I've tried, the probable carcinogenic effects of scattering microwave radiation to your neighbors, especially if you shield a wall. What makes you think ANYONE in government is going to stick their neck out and admit they knew what was happening, or participated, just because they feel compassion for you or I, the victims?
NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Ever. I'm not saying don't resist. I'm suggesting a more practical angle which is more cynical toward the reality of humanity's faults.
Thank you for considering my opinion.
at 07:42 on December 15th, 2008
The people on the street and the people who devise these programs share one trait: They are bullies and cowards. They will try to get away with as much as they can -- but if they think there will be consequences, they will back off.
Your persistent "resistance is futile" refrain just steels my resolve. I have done nothing to earn this extrajudicial punishment and torture, which, I believe, is politically and professionally motivated in my case. There are folks on the inside who reject the hijacking of government programs to achieve a peculiar "social engineering" goal. It's a waste of resources that could be employed to pursue actual and real threats. Why do you persist in the argument that such people do not exist? The answer is obvious.
I respond to your posts because I am sending a message to the "good people on the inside" whom you insist aren't there. They are. And they've watching those who are committing unconstitutional acts and crimes against humanity in the name of "keeping America safe." They are also reading your posts, scratching their heads, and asking, "Does this guy really think he's buying this? Or is this just busy work so he can collect his check at the end of the week?
But I do admire your perspicacity. You work hard for the money.
at 11:30 on December 15th, 2008
Well Vic, the "good people" on the inside have turned a blind eye to this for a dozen years while it grew, and for a few years after Eleanor White started her website and months after you've been posting here it's still going on because I'm still gettting blasted here.
"If they think there are consequences"? Have you done any research on the applicable laws? Everything was set up to avoid prosecution. It's perfectly legal for military and law enforcement to have these toys and use them on us at will. Nothing the perpetrators do can either be proven or are actually crimes. Title 18 section 241 of US code for conspiracy to deprive someone of their civil rights or intimidate them is almost never a prosecutable crime itself.
On a personal level, two things: You're employing intellectual dishonesty by continuing to insist my attitude is "resistance is futile." I explained that in detail above. It seems your purpose here isn't to just get your story out to the masses, it's also a vehicle to massage your ego and provide a discussion forum where only Vic can be right. You don't even seem to be able to grasp points made by others, or don't care to. Further, if anyone does assert their point of view, they are surely paid misinformation agents who came here to get Vic. Buddy, not only is that comedy of the highest order, you discredit yourself as extremely paranoid and one targeted individual acting like that is the one everyone remembers, not the rest of us who are reasonable and don't jump to false persecution.
Your last paragraph is really funny, BTW. The "good people inside" come here to witness you handing out the smackdowns? Maybe I'm wrong, perhaps they are coming here and seeing what Vic's about.... and maybe that's why they've done nothing.
at 12:26 on December 15th, 2008
Amen to that, Batvette. Not every person posting to these articles are on the opposing team as Vic seems to think, although some certainly are. I have watched, time and time again, him attempt to discredit almost every single one of the posters. It is not good for any of us who are going through this to come off so paranoid. If you only look for negatives, everywhere you look, you will certainly find them.
at 04:54 on December 16th, 2008
So as not to disappoint you... the point of your post seems to be to raise the "paranoia" boogeyman, and yes, to discredit me. Fortunately, any thinking reader can see through your disinfo. Have a nice day, "Stasi suck." I've wasted 45 seconds on you, and that's enough.
at 05:01 on December 16th, 2008
I leave it up to visitors to this site to judge the intent of your posts. Have a nice day.
at 20:00 on December 19th, 2008
Batvette, its easy to see you have some miles on your "craft".
But you are little more than kindergarten paper mache to me.
at 22:12 on December 23rd, 2008
But you are little more than kindergarten paper mache to me.
Really? Do you have those dull plastic scissors to cut with too? Paste to eat in between snacks? A nap after lunch?
I think that "no child left behind" program had a few kids fall between the cracks....
I think you're a paid government disinfo agent. Why? Why not?
at 13:09 on December 15th, 2008
I agree with the previous two comments. We think we're in trouble now??? Well, if we can't or won't get our collective act together -- if we can't or won't stand up and fight this in a positive and proactive way, then I don't even want to think about how our various stories will end. The sadists who participate in these crimes love to see us sniping at each other -- they don't want us to be able to act collectively to expose their evil acts. I, for one, will do whatever is necessary to expose these people, but going it alone will make it impossible. And I refuse to sit idly by and let this travesty of justice continue. Some say that it's gone on so long that it will never stop. What's the option, then? To fold??? Well, I'm not folding...
at 13:22 on December 15th, 2008
In any case gangs are being allowed to go on and sell drugs. I struggle to find evidence of crackdown on them. Alright to speak about these matters.
at 15:14 on December 15th, 2008
Well Budapest they do have that war on drugs thingy going on, and I thinkl it would be a rare case where they're "allowed" to do so- but your post is relevanr because many of the street level perpetrators organized their community groups to go afterr gangs and drug dealers in their neighborhoods. Many of them enjoyed the empowerment and adventure too much, and when they got rid of the dangerous people they needed a new line of targets to go after. Often they became the gang themselves.
I think above all strict adherence to the constitution will be the salvation of America, ignoring it its doom. Thus the police are going after your drug dealing gangs, but have to do it by the book, not "Rampart Division" style.
A nurse, I commend your suggestion of a positive approach. You know what is one thing that has seemed to be a great help? When I see the street snitches, I used to seethe inside, hating them intensely. However lately if I see them, if I have the time and can get near them, I try and simply make eye contact and say hello, or good morning, and smile. Sometimes it's hard. Many of them got into this for sound moral reasons, and are not bad people. Greeting them puts a human face, a person, on a target they would otherwise just see as "that dirtbag/pedophile/commie/terrorist" or whatever lies they were told. And of course scowling at them would just validated that false belief.
Maybe you know this, just a tip. My approach varies, though, sometimes when the vehicle perps drive at me when I'm on the sidewalk near an intersection, I walk nearly right in their path. Hey, I need the money...... One rule of thumb for me is do the unexpected. Surprise them. Anything that catches them off guard strips away their feeling that they have you intimidated.
at 21:43 on December 15th, 2008
Excuse me, but has anyone seen Santa Claus?
I feel his presence.
at 14:40 on December 19th, 2008
Hey Alida, what is your art?
*Pro* or *conn*, Truth or dare.
at 11:22 on December 16th, 2008
"I leave it up to visitors to this site to judge the intent of your posts."
Well since according to you up to half of them may be paid disinformation agents, I'm not sure what kind of error factor to put in such a poll.... :-) (and I'm about the most pompous bag of hot air around, can't say I'd make them endure them all.....)
On a more constructive note than bickering about who's a rat and who's not, and doubting anyone cares, here's two ideas for TI's in general:
I propose we create our own "Stasi Signs" to communicate between each other and even back to perps. To initiate the protocol, I offer the sign I've been communicating to vehicle perps lately: The lean back slightly, grabbing the male package, which in any spoken language means "**** it!".
(I'm kind of joking, but the Stasi signs can be a fun thing. I have actually got between two perps passing me for surveillance from one to the other with their "touches the nose" message, by looking at one, touching my nose, then looking at the other and yawning and stretching my arms over my head! That is a signal used in my city to say breaking off or leaving the surveillance area, it's very forced and obvious. They just about **** their pants, turned white as ghosts since they think they are so slick and are anonymous. However it's a good idea to NOT let them know you are on to all that, as when they use their oafish little gestures it's a great tool for US to identify THEM. )
More seriously, how about a national database for us to compile photographs of the faces and vehicles of perpetrators. I think if it was done without their names there would be no legal liability to us, and biometrics can eventually identify them if need be. (for civil suits and criminal prosecution should that day come.) Vic you mentioned some accountability on their part as a deterrent, and I see this as a logical first step. It could be catagorized by city or region. Part of my thinking on this, is that I don't realistically see myself as being alive for more than 3 or so years. Since I've been under attack with DEW, my health has noticeably deteriorated, (I'm 46, about when men start having "issues") and I fear I have a degenerative spinal condition as well as damage to my upper chest in my esophagus (sp?) and throat, in the area where you get that burning sensation when they turn up the power. Acid reflux either contributing or caused by it. (getting off track) If I'm dead that may be the only way these freaks will ever pay for their crimes, is if they are on record somewhere as having participated in these crimes.
There is a guy who was posting extensively at the LA Indymedia site about 4 years ago, he had all kinds of perp shots.
We need not make it secret, in fact just knowing they might be seen there might be deterrent for some
at 13:34 on December 16th, 2008
What?... get in their face, and be just as intrusive and obnoxious as they are? So they can try to turn the tables and say, "It's HE who is doing the stalking." I've heard that line before when I just tried to engage one of these guys in a conversation, to see what he was all about. That's their M.O. -- try to get a rise out of the "target."
No, here's a better idea, one that I've taken to. I am wearing a button that says: "Is Your Stalking Unit Infiltrated?" It works like a stalker repellent. And if someone asks me what it means, I just say: "The people it's intended for know what it means." And I leave it at that. It gets them to thinking... "Hmmm. What if he's right?"
And guess what? I have reason to believe I am! Have a nice day, "batvette."
at 00:17 on December 17th, 2008
You have a good point if you're implying that a database and taking their pictures is stooping to their level, one that hadn't escaped me tyjhe first time I pondered the idea. (not mine, others have thought of it too)
However one needn't be rude or obnoxious to get such a photo, in fact many TI's sugest using a camera for the purpose of scaring them away when they get too close. If we really want accountability or people brought to justice, we have to catalogue who they are and this also brings the size of the problem into public view, doesn't it?
Your button idea is certainly inventive but does limit the exposure audience to you and the perps themselves... with little avenue for getting this in the public eye or later legal accountability. It's stalker repellent? But he had to get close to you to read it?
I dunno.... :-) You do raise another question..... What do they usually call themsleves?
(and a joke- how any gangstalkers does it take to change a lightbulb? ALL OF THEM.
They all have to keep tabs on what the others were doing....)
at 20:11 on December 17th, 2008
I've taken down plenty of license plate numbers and even snapped a few pictures. I would love to see a massive database of photos and tag numbers. I can't think of any better way to get this thing out in the open where it belongs. I've quoted Judge Louis Brandeis in other comments and will do it again: "Sunlight is the best disinfectant." I'm sick and tired of the back and forth that, sadly, seems to get us nowhere. We need to stop the constant sniping (to repeat myself, I think), step out on faith and do the hard work of identifying these creeps. They think they'll never be stopped, never be held accountable. Would it be that hard for us to work together in an effort to get some of their faces on the internet -- to let them be seen and, subsequently, identified. The world should know them for what they are: monsters.
at 22:05 on December 17th, 2008
Here's a link to a rather odd video which may tie in very well to the subject at hand -
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=SOLARIS+BLUERAVEN&www_google_domain=www.google.com&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#
at 22:43 on December 17th, 2008
I REALLY tried to give this girl an open mind, being somewhat of a believer in a few "new age" (a bad generalization) theories and lifestyles- she's a healer, okay, black belt MMA instructor, check, has a gift of detecting electromagnetic fields, well possible, starting to lose me tho. AND then she got into her "connection" with Neil Peart: She discusses sending him some of her poetry in the 80's, in which he "corresponded back to her" with "3 postcards which were burned in her cauldron".
At risk of appearing a bit "Vicish" I don't know if you posted that in mocking or what, but pretty funny stuff. I once dated a girl who practiced in such black arts, burned effigies, even put a spell on me when she thought I cheated on her- the "spell" was merely putting poison in my food- she was a certifiable mental case. Why did she burn Neil's postcards? Undoubtedly in the process of casting a "spell" on him. I'd have called WHOEVER to lock her up/stalk her TOO if I were Neil!
It reminds me of so many sites where I go to look at info about gangstalking and see links to 9/11 conspiracy sites, alien abductions, satanic cults, the denver airport, reptilian alien colonies under new mexico..... just because you suddenly find yourself being gangstalked does not mean you also adopted every fringe belief under the sun, and one nutjob TI is the one that will be used by a media outlet to characterize us all, beause it's interesting to read.
(now we know what partially motivated Peart to pen the lyrics of "Limelight", their hit where he opines his mixed feelings about fame and stardom being not all it is made to be- "I can't pretend the stranger is a long awaited friend")
at 23:30 on December 17th, 2008
After a little further research, I come up with this:
http://www.rushmessageboard.com/cpmb/index.php?showtopic=11688
And cannot see any purpose to you posting this mental patient's account but to try and ridicule the issue and discredit everyone who really is a victim of this.
Perp or not, whoever or whatever you are, YOU are the type of person who really needs help because you're spending your time getting off on ridiculing people and cutting them down when they've done NOTHING to you and you have no idea who they are. In summary, go **** yourself and see you in hell.
If I'm wrong you can explain exactly how this woman, who has been issued (and has violated) restraining orders and has lied repeatedly in court proceedings TO judges, ABOUT other judges and every other aspect of her "story" has relevance to real people being stalked and intimidated.....
at 22:16 on December 17th, 2008
I print up small signs and put them in my windows from time to time, with sayings like "Gangstalking: it's UnAmerican!" and "Gangstalking.... Adolph Hitler's gift to 21st Century Haters..." One of then was a statement along the lines of "if you really were the will of society and knew your actions were lawful and righteous, you wouldn't be sneaking around doing it behind a cloak of secrecy".
I don't know how much good it does appealing to the logic of a dimwit or the ethics of someone whose concept opf right and wrong is so skewed.
Here is the page I mentioned from LA Indymedia, a couple of guys were posting regularly, but this is back in 2004...
at 23:38 on December 17th, 2008
that LA Indymedia page again....
http://www.la.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/115326_comment.php