H1N1 Swine Flu Hoax/Fraud Conspiracy Theories

Pig manure and flies in pig waste NOT swine flu - is cause of disease in Mexico - Swine Flu is a fraud http://bit.ly/pcQNa

The article doesn't say the owners of Tamiflu are responsible for swine flu. It also doesn't say the flu isn't real. What it does say is there are corporations willing to exploit this issue to make a lot of money. The swine flu didn't warrant the mass anxiety imposed on North Americans via the media. The anxiety will cause more health issues than the swine flu ever could.

The name has been changed quickly already from Swine flu to H1N1 because of a decline in Pork sales.....Oh no, we can't have everybody to stop eating pork.... Capitalism at its best.

It is one thing to form ones own opinions and keep them to yourself,

It is another thing to share those opinions and rational with your friends and relatives.

It is yet another thing to post them in obscure blogs and like minded arenas of dialog.

It is a whole different thing to put yourself out to the general public on a well read site like NowPublic in contradiction of official "Government Position" and subject yourself to ridicule by the general public and scrutiny of the Government Thought Police.

I did not see contradicting opinions in the main stream major media. If there are many others that were questioning the validity of the alleged Pandemic, I did not see them and I did not look for them because I was confident in my own assessment.

It was not my intent to disrespect others who less publicly rejected the Government position but to recognize someone who reasonably and rationally confronted the prevailing media in a manner that came to my attention first.

In this time of eroding Civil Liberties, I respect any fellow being willing to publicly express their criticism of the government and other powers that be.

The Cynical Patriot

Someting is very smelly here. I think there is a deliberate attempt to cover up a deliberate Bio-Weapon release. Just because there is a scare to bolster Tamiflu stocks dos not mean they didn't validate their effort by releasing a Bio- weapn. Google Polish Homeless Vaccince trial, and Baxter dead ferrets from vaccine. Secondly if it was just to scare the public they would not be closing entire cities and the schools... Remember do your homework. Spanish Flu fragments have been founf in this. Spanish flu is BSL Level 3, and only existed in laboratories (it was ressurrected in 1999)

Can WHO and CDC track those dying everyday caused by the seasonal flu, as well? How about comparing the statistics since the H1N1 outbreak and let's see why we should be so concerned?

Another possible "conspiracy" that I have not yet heard mentioned is that this might have been an opportunity to get some real world practice for a much more deadly type of emergency - such as a bioweapons release. Think about all the good practice that state and county health departments along with the CDC got. It's not so far fetched. Many people talk about how the 1st Gulf War back in the early 90's was an opportunity to test new military weapons - perhaps along those same lines, this was an opportunity to test newly designed emergency preparedness action teams at federal (CDC), state and county levels.

I'm going to go with "False on the facts."  Not sure who got the media all wound up on this but it reminds me of the SARS episode back in the earlier parto f this decade.  36,000 people died from the regular flu last year, so I'm trying to understand why the media is blowing this out of proportion.  But then I have trouble understanding anything the medie does.

Thanks for the story, but I wouldn't say no-one questioned it -lots of people have and such subjects continuously, if you look in the right places...etc.

- Kinda seemed to have eclipsed a lot of other major news stories that will no doubly fall by the wayside, US torture camps/policy and alike...also why it broke out where it did, and that the strain has never been seen before/highly unusual (human, H1N1, H5N1 in the mix). Also why they said initial deaths were in the teens (so not to cause "alarm"!, then reports of hundreds came out from dr's in the field.?

Always good to try and to do a search of keywords on a subject before writing a story. Saves on duplicating info' etc.

The current Flu situation is most certainly NOT a hoax nor are the makers of Tamiflu responsible.Carelessness and negligence seem to be what has led to us to what could be potentially a very real concern.

Anyone who is familiar with Smithfield Foods should seriously wonder how they are not somehow complicit in the current Flu situation. This company is the largest hog producer and pork processor in the world, generating over 11 billion dollars a year. They have a long and well documented history of questionable behavior going back as early as the 90's. They are a vertically integrated company, which means they have complete control over the hogs from birth through processing.They have also been using genetically engineered pigs for years in certain products. The list of complaints for pollution and environmental  contamination is quite long; and includes problems in the United States as well as Poland and Romania. Smithfield was fined 12.6 million dollars for violating the Clean water act. They were found to have 5,000 violations exceeding permitted levels of fecal coliform and phosphorus. These pollutants flowed into the James River,Pagan River, and Chesapeake Bay for more than 5 years.Smithfield has been fined for anti-trust violations and falsifying documents in the past. They have had questionable issues with unions and hiring illegals in the United States. They were responsible for contaminating Cape Fear after Hurricane Floyd . These records are well documented on the internet. Given this history and the fact that this town in Mexico has been troubled for many years by Smithfields negative environmental actions seems to certainly make them somewhat suspect in the current situation. It is a scientifically noted fact that the pig is an ideal mixing vessel for certain viruses. Springtime is also considered "flu season" for pigs. When the threat of illness is over, we should hope that Smithfield Foods will be at the very least be investigated; and made to provide concrete proof that they in fact did not fall short on their responsibilities. It is ironic that we now need to refer to this illness by a corrected name, It would seem that is more for the protection of the pork industry than to quiet any panic among us. Smithfield lobbyists must have pushed for the name of the disease to be quickly changed. I for one would be very interested in knowing how much Smithfield contributed in campaign contributions for our last election.

There is no doubt that the producer of Tamiflu is going to make huge profits with Swine Flu. However, it does not mean that we should not be concerned about Swine Flu. H1N1 is much more dangerous than normal flu. So far the fatality rate is elevated over what is normal for flu of any kind in the US (.625% compared to .12%) almost 6 times more. People who usually die of flu every year are old or sick people who have little resistance and low immune systems. H1N1 has killed healthy young people with strong immune systems. There is no comparison to normal flu and there is real reason for concern.  What’s scary about H1N1 is that it has never been seen in a human strain before. To make it simple, swine flu has evolved from contamination being related to direct contact with pigs or from eating raw pork to human to human contamination. This is why it is called a Pandemic and it has spread to 20 countries so far. This virus could mutate again and become even more deadly and such pandemics come in waves. Which means it will reach a stage which seems to be over to only start again and spread even faster. You should all be concerned! Now if you all think that H1N1 is a manmade virus, then that’s another story. A story which I have no idea if it has any founding’s and I cannot comment on. But don’t play down the danger of H1N1.

yeah... as of today about 20 confirmed deaths of H1N1 in Mexico.

Reuters is constantly talking about around 200 deaths... and even if it was so, more people die of regular flu than of H1N1. I wrote to Reuters about this error in their data, no answer of course.

Oh, I'm in Mexico btw. Here the paranoia is high. People are wearing those masks that are really useless against a a virus. Even the masks from hospitals which supposedly are better than those the general public can buy, last for a few hours before becomgin useless.... and people are wearing those painting masks for days and days...

I agree it looks suspicious and there could be an angle here to make money for the drug companies but why would Mexico be a part of this with the start of their tourist season? That doesn't make any sense. They stand to lose millions of dollars in tourist revenue from cancelled vacations...Last week MSNBC and NPR were reporting 86 deaths in Mexico, today I heard on NPR they are reporting 26 TOTAL deaths. Something isn't right here!

Anyone concerned about the Swine Flu, and suspicious of the "Pork Industry"; will find the two links below a very informative read. It is also interesting to note that Wyeth pharmaceuticals controls " Fort Dodge Animal health" They produce the vaccines for the Pigs and Hogs.

http://washingtonindependent.com/40739/swine-flu-may-come-from-corporate-pork-poop

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/08/hold-smithfield-chief-tells-battered-shareholders

H1N1 is another reason Donald Rumsfeld should be tried in the hague. First the deaths in the war in Iraq and now by causing more death just to make some more millions. He, and others of the gang shouldn´t play with peoples lives only to become more rich. This is clear as water

I'm sure that this is f..cking conspiracy against the humanity!

They said the SAME virus A(H1N1) killed over 20 million people in 1918 flu pandemic.

1. how the hell could they call this 2009 virus, a new virus if already exists from 1918?

2. they said that this "new" virus is mutated virus from 3 different viruses of influenza (human, pig and bird). So should not be called something else than H1N1?

3.where was this virus (H1N1) all the time since 1918? Maybe in laboratory? 

Totally nonsense...

I think it's not the flu that they intend to kill you, it's the drug they want to put into you. maybe with something else you take later on in life will be the catalyst to terminate your life.

This is all to do with the one world order, reduce the population, they tried it with bird flu, sars and aids.

I'm very suspicious because the British government was talking about making it compulsary for people to take the tamiflu.

Thousands die every year of flu but it's not a big deal, yet a couple of hundred have died, there's an issue.  Unless it's just media hype.

just a thought 

Can WHO and CDC track those dying everyday caused by the seasonal flu, as well? How about comparing the statistics since the H1N1 outbreak and let's see why we should be so concerned?

Hello:

I guess I dont know what to say... Some of us buy into panic and hype, and some of us just go with the facts. As of about 1030p US Central time 05/02/2009 the World wide official Confirmed Death toll after about 30 days of this Pandemic is 20 TWENTY.  19 in Mexico and 1 in USA (In Texas on the Mexican Border)  My source <here>

Pandemics do not care about political borders.  This stuff has spread to several places around the globe.  20 deaths does not a plague or pandemic make. The regular flu every year cause about 36000 deaths.  Call me when we hit 36001.

The Cynical Patriot.

Follow the facts.  35,000 deaths vs. 1 death in the U.S.  Evidence of obendience to the mass media. Can anyone think for themselves?  Obama sucks.

Just my 2 cents. This could be some sort of facist/bigot way to make visibility of Mexico/U.S border issues that are hot and heavy. maybe we can investigate Rush L. The ancillary benefit is that we are stocked up on canned food, masks, clean gell, which boosts the economy. A good training exercise for all countries in preparation for an actual pandemic. I agree with an above post, call me when it reaches 36,001 deaths (btw, 36,000 divided by 300,000,000 = .00012% for the average flu deaths) or vs. 20ish (20 deaths divided by 300,000,000 = .0000006667% for h1n1 deahs). sounds like a good training exercise for the world to stock up on canned food, masks, etc. to help the economies, divert attention from all that is suggested as other conspiracies. I think it would be amazing if all the possibilities could actually be  coordinated and could make sense. in any case, the regular flu sucks and i just got over it and wash your hands everyone and get extra canned food just in case and try to get a good night sleep. Nite

Good Articles... As a former Family Dairy Farm Boy... Commerical Farming is ruining our environment and now effecting Human Health in ways that were "Shouted Down" when the family farmers protested the subsidization of the Commercial Farms... 

Your Fellow Citizen,

The Cynical Patriot

Dan G., I agree with this more than any other idea out there. Makes the most sense. And good sense for all to be ready actually. In a way, i'm proud of whoever would have thought up such a good way to run a test on emergency prepareness. Buy Canned Food everyone. Rotate your stores. people on average eat 10 basic meals. make sure you stock up. Stay safe all.

H1N1 is another reason Donald Rumsfeld should be tried in the hague. First the deaths in the war in Iraq and now by causing more death just to make some more millions. He, and others of the gang shouldn´t play with peoples lives only to become more rich. This is clear as water

you forgot to mention that this same flu scare was also tried in 1976. It was discovered that more people had issues with the vaccines themselves, not the "flu". It was so bad that congress stepped in and demanded that this flu shit be stopped. So some 33 years later and we got the same bullshit, just with a modern theme. It does make one laugh when you can see how scared some people are wearing the surgeons mask, which would never prevent you from catching shit

Now those chemtrails in the sky? That's the shit we need to start talking about.......

See this in the news over the last week?

"Australian scientist suggests Swine flu an accident in the lab"

"Swine Flu May Be Human Error; WHO Investigates Claim"

Wouldn't be a supprize me one bit with all the incidents of late: baxter sending live h5n1 to labs by "accident", ebola vials being smuggled out and not missed for months, and ringing home similarities with this mess.

- But we have to sugar coat it as everything is fine and dandy, and "your govenment is in control again, goto bed, shutup!".

We are taking zero chances with this virus. So far the best info we have found is on this site http://www.h1n1virusfacts.com

Stay safe!

See

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090518/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu

6 deaths in 3 weeks times 52 = 104

From the article you quoted it said that normal strains of swine flu kill about 36000 people

a year.  I repeat, let me know when we get to 36001.

The Cynical Patriot

If this is killing about 1% of the infected people and only 1/3 of the world population gets H1N1, then 1/3 of the population fo 6778792699 (6.7billion) = 2259597566 (2.2billion) times 1% = 22,595976 deaths if only at 1% mortality. Just some numbers based on the world population