Harper gets his Prorogue, Non-confidence Vote Delayed

by TDH | December 4, 2008 at 10:03 am
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Governor General Michaëlle Jean has granted Prime Minister Stephen Harper his one wish.  She has suspended the current parliamentary session until January 27th and squashed, for now at least, the possibility of a Liberal-NDP coalition.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/04/harper-jean.html

Both Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Liberal Opposition leader Stéphane Dion took to the airwaves last night to address Canadians.  Both presented their respective case regarding the current political and economic crisis brewing here in Canada.  Over the past several days parliamentary squabbling has reached an almost unprecedented head; a breaking point that threatened to topple the Harper regime. 

Harper’s government has lost the confidence of the Canadian Parliament.  The Liberal, NDP, and Bloc parties see Harper’s tabled economic recovery plan as unacceptable and inadequate and are not prepared to support it.  Dion has apparently already met with Governor General Michaëlle Jean on the issue of a possible coalition government – one formed between the Liberal and NDP parties and with the support of the Bloc. 

Likewise, Harper and Jean met this morning.  Harper pled his case and asked that Jean prorogue – or delay the current parliamentary session – until the end of January, at which time the Tories plan to table a new budget.  She has agreed to do so. 

Jean had a few options here – her hands were by no means tied in terms of her constitutional allowance here.  Three possible futures for parliament and Canadians were possible:

1.)     Jean grants Harper his one wish, Parliament is suspended, the Tories avoid a no confidence vote set for Monday.  Harper works day and night to build support for his budget proposal at the end of January.  During this almost two month period no government spending can take place and no major decisions can be made – the government will operate as they do during campaign and election times.  At the end of January the Tory budget is tabled.

2.)     Jean denies Harper and decides to dissolve parliament, call an election, and force Canadians back to the polls for the second time in mere months.

3.)     Jean denies Harper and offers the Liberal-NDP coalition the chance to form the government.

Alternative future #1 has come to fruition.  It is, however, important to remember that on January 27th, when regular parliamentary proceedings resume, the Conservatives will present their budget to parliament and, again, face the possibility of a non-confidence vote.  This means that in the next two months Harper has to garner enough support for the Tory budget to push it through a house vote – otherwise we’re back to square one and the possibility of a coalition government is revived.

Since the possibility still exists, it is worth discussing the coalition government further.  Many Canadians (including Mr. Harper) seem to be misunderstanding the nature of a coalition government.  Harper claims it is undemocratic and does not represent the results of the most recent election, that which put Harper’s Tories back in power.  This is incorrect.  If the coalition is allowed to govern the make-up of parliament remains exactly as it was – and this, in the Canadian electoral system, is the only thing that voters get to determine.  We vote for our MPs, who then get the opportunity to sit in parliament and represent our values.  The party which commands the largest number of seats is asked by the GG to form Canada’s government.  This offer, though, is rather conditional.  The government must retain the confidence of the house when passing bills, budgets, and laws – if it fails to do so, that is, if it cannot garner enough support from the remaining MPs in the house, it has not only lost the support of parliament but through electoral representation it has lost the support of the majority of Canadians.  This is what is happening right now and it is very much democratic.  Professor and once Vancouver center MP hopeful Michael Byers explains it well,

The Conservatives argue that Canadians did not vote for a Liberal/NDP coalition supported by the Bloc Québécois. But we live in a parliamentary system rather than a direct democracy. MPs are elected to go to Ottawa, debate issues in depth, and make decisions based on the information they acquire. They are not bound by a precise, predetermined electoral program. They are not even bound to stay in the same party, as Stephen Harper demonstrated when he persuaded David Emerson to become a Conservative in January 2006, just two weeks after having been elected as a Liberal.

What is undemocratic is the suspension of normal parliamentary proceedings and the silencing of the voices of MPs Canadians chose to represent them.

Harper’s other major argument against a coalition government, as presented to Canadians last night, is his distain for separatists.  His feelings here are understandable, especially coming from a westerner, but it is important to realize a few things; first, the Bloc is not a part of the coalition – Duceppe merely agreed to support it in the house;

The Bloc Quebecois will neither move, nor will it support any motions of non-confidence in the Government during the term of its support for this agreemeand will vote in favour of the Government’s position with respect to all matters referred to in the immediately preceding paragraph.

and second, Duceppe represents a number of non-separatists as well and this is a perfect way for him to stifle that debate for a while a focus on getting some of his other non Canada-splitting goals through.

 The suspension of parliament really means one thing for me: nothing of significance will be accomplished in the near future to address the current economic crisis.  While other governments are passing drastic measures to secure a solid economic future ours is going to take a two month time-out in the corner and think about what it has done, like a team of misbehaving delinquents.  When parliament resumes, in all likelihood the Harper government will still face non-confidence.

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Paschen

I just read Tina her post and now this?

Well then my comment on Tina's Post is now absolute... This is not Democratic at all. 

Canada in limbo and in a major economic crisis, that is not a good combination at all.



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Tina Kells

TDH is one of our new interns, he's still learning the ropes.  Great article though don't you think??

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Paschen

I did flag it for it is good and sort of and update linked to your previous story.

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Mike Wood

“Canada in limbo and in a major economic crisis, that is not a good combination at all.”

This is the fault of our Governor General Michaëlle Jean. Canada in limbo that is.

By granting Prime Minister Stephen Harper Prorogue she has most likely just hit the pause button on the inevitable. This Governor General, in my opinion, shouldn’t have this power. She was negligent back in September when she cost the tax payer over $300,000,000 by dissolving Parliament for an election that shouldn’t have taken place, just as she is negligent now.

Harper stated back in September that his Conservative government no longer had the confidence of the House of Commons. It seems even more so now.

I’m not entirely convinced a coalition government is the right approach but at least the majority of the House will be in agreement and working together.

I am convinced however, that even if the Conservatives Party keeps it together during all this, Prime Minister Stephen Harper needs to go, as does Michaëlle Jean.

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sara star

I am with you on this one Mike. A Governor General appointed by PM will not be objective.

To close parliament at a crucial time, just for their own agenda is unscrupulous!

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Jason Sanders

That was a great explanation of what's going on. Thanks TDH!

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lefty_liberated

This is like declaring martial law. And granted I dont understand all of the nuances of whats going on with it it seems like the leaders of these parties want to take the country back and that Harper was likely elected due to the series of "threats" we all supposedly faced after the last dictatorship here in America and that the tide is shifting along side the changes in the U.S. I really wish the country of Canada success getting leadership that's more of a true reflection of its progressive values. 

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Paschen

That is actually a fair assessment and comparison in a way lefty_liberated that you are making here and one that should be taken up with the Courts.

  

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A Canadian

It's not actually like declaring martial law at all.

According to our laws, as in all parliamentary systems, the party with the most elected seats (we have 4, depending on how you look at it 5, major parties here - only 4 have seats at the moment) typically forms the government. The second most seats "gets" to be the Official Opposition. In this case, the Conservatives were granted the most seats by the voters. They received about 37% of the vote, and took 143 seats of the House of Commons. The other 163 seats are divided up among the other 3 parties with seats. All of those parties (and the other remaining party) are left of centre. So, the ONE right of centre party was offered the leadership of the government, as is the norm. The other parties are left of centre, but have wildly different platforms.

Harper, in his last parliament, forced legislation through on 38 occasions by making them matters of confidence, meaning that should the other parties band together and vote against them, the government would fall and an election would be called. He was able to do this primarily because none of the other parties wanted to be responsible for sending us to the polls at first, then for various other reasons later.

Harper broke his own law of fixing election dates so as to avoid calling elections at times that were advantageous to the ruling party, because he saw that at the time it would be advantageous to his party to have an election. It WAS, in that he gained seats, however not enough to get a majority. He claimed that his new strengthened mandate allowed him to proceed as though he had a majority, and immediately set out a new budget. In this budget, there was no stimulus package for the economy, unlike all the other G20 nations.

Worse than that, he also added a clause that would strip the parties of government funding (something a lot of countries have so as to avoid one party getting an unfair advantage from corporate donations). He also placed a ban on public employees from striking for 3 years and another to ban women from suing for pay equity. This was then, once more, placed forward as a vote of confidence in the government.

This was simply too much for the other parties. They decided that he must go, once and for all. So, they formed a coalition and signalled their intention to vote down the government and replace him. This scared the shit out of him and so he had the Governor General suspend parliament until January 26th. The following day, he will put forth another budget.

All three parties in the coalition have stated that it will have to be the single most impressive thing they've ever seen for them to not vote him down at that time, as the Opposition has the right to table its own legislation on a periodic basis. They have the right to table a bill that will effectively topple the Conservatives, at which point the GG will have the choice of either giving them the government, or sending us to the polls AGAIN (we've had 4 elections in the last 5 years or so I think - it's stupid).

Point being - we still have all our freedoms, we just no longer have a voice. For 7 weeks.

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Mike Wood

"Harper broke his own law of fixing election dates so as to avoid calling elections at times that were advantageous to the ruling party, because he saw that at the time it would be advantageous to his party to have an election. It WAS, in that he gained seats, however not enough to get a majority. He claimed that his new strengthened mandate allowed him to proceed as though he had a majority, and immediately set out a new budget. In this budget, there was no stimulus package for the economy, unlike all the other G20 nations."

Exactly!

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/thousands-rally-toronto-s-city-hall-support-coalition-government

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Cindy Wiggins

I weep at how uninformed Canadians are as to the workings of our parliamentary democracy.  It's downright scary.  I guess that's why Harper can lie and mislead and get away with it.  Your article is a great clear language review of some key points.

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David Forrester

I can't believe how shallow thinking you are in your comments.  I am a businessman.  I manufacture products and sell them across the US and Can.  I know how damn hard it is to make a business successful. Above all things, it requires co-operation from everyone.  You get on worm in there and the mess that I have to deal with makes your hair grey. 

Stephen is a very good man. He is an expert at matters like this.  The coalition hasn't a clue on how to run a country.  It takes months and months of intense work to come up with a budget that is going to work in these times.  This is no laughing matter.  The 3 stooges have only one thing backed by a rabble rousing, nonsense talking idiot named layton.  He doesn't have any idea on how to run a government.  Dion can't keep his party together and Gilles has vested interests in Quebec, not the whole of Canada.  Gilles D did not have candidates in the rest of Canada so he is a small part of the results, not a fair representation of the country.  In no cases did I see my wishes realized by a Bloc here in BC.  That is immoral to use his words.

We gave Harper the job of doing what has to be done.  Back off you num-whits and let him do what we hired him to do.  Stand behind the man and stop your ininformed bellyaching.

Sheesh!



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mofiac

David, I too am a businessman and I can state for a fact that that title does not make me any better of a Canadian, nor does it give me the right to think so.  Your comment, however, does happen to reflect the one major problem with our government .....ignorance

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B Burrell

I can't believe you all feel this is a bad thing that Harper got his prorogue. Must be an NDP column.The idea of those three self serving stooges wanting to run the government scares me to death! I agree that Harper caused all this by poking the opposition with a stick and it never needed to come to this. But he is the only person to run the country in these difficult economic times. How can the opposition vote non confidence when the budget hasn't been tabled yet? It is better to wait until the U.S. does their thing before we react. Canada can't bail out the auto industry until we see what the U.S does - they are the parent company and our reaction could all be in vain. Harper did not cause this world recession and if you have followed the world crisis you would realize that Canadian finacial sytem is considered the strongest of the G20(G7). Contrary to the liberal left, Canada is in excellent shape compared to many countries, so where does this idea come from that we are in crisis and the Conservatives caused it? Having a socialist spender like Layton, the BQ and a lame duck Liberal leader could spell disaster for Canada. If you will recall election night, Layton expressed his personal dislike for Harper and said no matter what the Conservative budget was, he would fight it tooth and nail - now there's a cooperative caring Canadian for you. He is power hungry and self serving (more even than Harper ever thought of being) and the lefties are always griping about Harper's ego! I can only hope that all parties stop acting like children and start working together for the sake of all Canada.

 

 

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