Health care reform close at hand in U.S. Senate

by Rory Cripps | December 22, 2009 at 07:00 pm
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A final Senate vote on health care reform legislation is scheduled for 8 a.m. Thursday.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) agreed to the 8 a.m. vote  in order to avoid a possible continuance of the debate into the late evening.

The last time the Senate held a Christmas Eve session was in 1963.

The health care debate has been raging in the Senate throughout the past 23 days. In light of the holiday season, Reid said, "I would hope that everyone would go back to their gentlemanly ways."

On Monday, Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele said that Democrats are, "thumbing their nose and flipping the bird to the American people." Steele told reporters,  "I intend to have my foot on the throats of the Democrats on this issue and hold them accountable." He went on to say that Democrats up for reelection in 2010 "can look for their pink slips."

Reid called Steele's statements, "crass and such a terrible example for the youth of this country." 

Recent polls indicate that more Americans are opposed to Democrat sponsored health care  legislation than are for the legislation.

The latest Rasmussen poll indicates that 55 percent of voters are opposed to the current health care legislation and 41 percent are for the legislation. 60 percent of senior citizens are opposed; 57 percent of voters say that passing nothing would be preferable to passing the current legislation; and 19 percent of voters strongly favor the plan and 45 percent are strongly opposed. 

The current Quinnipiac University Polling Institute poll indicates that 53 percent of Americans disapprove of the current health care reform legislation and 36 percent support it.

The current CNN poll,  indicates that  56 percent of respondents oppose the Senate health care bill.

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Amy Judd

Wow, they're working on Christmas eve?

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Rory Cripps

Amy: The two Senate leaders agreed to the 8 a.m vote on Thursday morning in an effort to avoid debate into the evening hours.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

The sad thing about this Health Care Reform Bill is that it was more important to pass something, rather than formulating Reform that would truly achieve what it was promised to achieve.

I am baffled and amazed by the American System of passing legislation where all this pork can be added on.



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Rory Cripps

ACP:  I agree. This is what happens when a bunch of ideologues assume political power. It's their way or the highway.

More American voters are against this bill than are for it and a  number of polls have consistently indicated that fact. However the Democrats appear to be obsessed with passing health care reform legislation no matter how ill conceived the legislation is and no matter what the outcome and cost. 

If and when the Senate health care bill and Congress's bill is reconciled and passed, the legislation will be almost impossible to reverse due to certain provisions of the bill.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

Thanks for this Rory.  I heard about those non-reversal provisions today. I wonder how much of  a fight there will be between moderates and the far left when the bill is merged.

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Rory Cripps

ACP: Senator Nelson's and Senator Landrieu's payoffs are a taste of things to come in the House no doubt.

My gut tells me that if the health care reform bill is reconciled by both legislative branches and is passed, it will face a number of constitutional challenges on all fronts--especially from the states. 

In my opinion, the Democratic party  is committing a major political blunder vis a vis their current version of health care reform legislation and the manner in which they're attempting to get the legislation passed.

Americans that  have paid  no attention to political issues and to what their politicians were up to are certainly paying attention now. And their eyes are focused on the Democratic Party. If the health care legislation is passed, they'll all know shortly thereafter whether it's a good thing or a bad thing consequent to visiting their doctor's office.

Indeed, the health care bill is going to affect Americans in a most personal  manner. And if the American economy doesn't improve dramatically and working Americans, that currently pay a fortune for private health care coverage, see their taxes increase, see their health insurance premiums go up, see their quality of health care diminish,  and wind up  holding the bag for 30 million uninsured Americans, there will be hell to pay. And the teabaggers will be viewed as patriots.


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nanute

Here are some other surprising Rasmussen Poll results:

1) 75% of Americans prefer the taste of Moxie versus all Coca-Cola and Pepsi products.

2) Sarah Palin won the 2008 Presidential election with 53% of the vote over Barack Obama.

3) Only 13% of the nation does not enjoy standing in long lines at the bank and grocery store.

4) Less than 1% of the public believe that the Democrats are not going to criminalize beer.

5) 44% of the tea bagger protesters show up to oppose someone named "Warren Christmas."

6) John McCain has never diametrically contradicted his own positions according to 85% of Americans.

7) 78% of Americans believe that the popularity of Fox News proves it's accuracy.

8) 112% of the country thinks George W. Bush was a competent, thoughtful president.

9) Only 23% of the public disapproves of Glenn Beck's haircut and general demeanor.

10) 20% of Americans think that the other 80% are idiots, while only 74% think that of the other 26




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nanute

Shorter Rory: Democrats bad, Republicans good.

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Rory Cripps

I didn't say Democrats bad, Republicans good. But if you want to take it that way, knock yourself out.

I don't know how many times I've stated on this site that I'm for health care reform. But IMHO the current legislation is too hastily conceived,  not well thought out, and ideologically driven.

And I'm by no means alone in my opinion as any number of recent non-partisan polls indicate.

People can choose to reject poll results and dismiss them as a mere snapshot. But when polls from a number of organizations essentially say the same thing and indicate months of trends, then I think that it's not unreasonable to come to the conclusion that the polls are a fairly accurate indication of where the American people are at on the health care reform legislation. 

In regard to Rassmussen, the organization reflects the opinions of voters and likely voters. CNN, Gallup, etc. reflects non-voters and voters alike. Senior citizens typically go to the polls more often than do other age groups. The polling data tells us a lot . . . .


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jakesylvester1

Perhaps all those opposed to a public option, let alone legislation that cleans up the insurance industry, and brings health care to 94% of the population, should come visit Canada. They could observe our system at work in each of the 10 provinces and 3 territories. Perhaps then their eyes would be opened to the benefits, but also see that no system is perfect. (And Canada would get a big boost for its travel industry.)

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Rory Cripps

jakesylvester 1: Sounds like a good idea. The problem is that Americans are hearing conflicting views on the Canadian health care system and many don't know what to believe.

Another problem is that America has its own unique set of circumstances in spite of its many similarities to Canada. A large segment of the American population believes that they are going to wind up footing the health care bill for 30 million additional people, that their taxes are going to increase, and that the quality and availability of their health care is going to diminish.  

The bottom line is that a certain segment of the American population is all for health care reform no matter what the costs and ramifications due to ideological and political motives. In my opinion, the Democrat-sponsored health care legislation is going to ultimately backfire in the collective face of the Democratic Party.


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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

Rory you can believe those of us that live with the system up here.  We have no axes to grind or political views on your system.

I have had several articles on NP dealing with the Canadian Health Care System, including the myth of Canadian Health Care. 

They system is far from perfect but works for most of us.  The system is also expensive.  As an example in Alberta it takes up 40% of Alberta's overall budget.  But then your present system is touted to be one sixth of your economy. 

Up to this point many of our doctors have ended up in the U.S.  I have two friends (physicians) that have moved to South Dakota.  In the town where I access my medical care there are three South African doctors.  They service a rural community in the neibourhood of about 7500 people (my guess).  So you can see the physician to patient ratio is quite high.

Another thing to consider with the public option is that services that are not mandated under the Canada Health Act can be cut and normally do during budgetary considerations.

As long as people were employed in Alberta and there was money to be made on oil, there was no problem.

Basic services and tests are covered though, including annual physicals, follow up care if you should be unfortunate enough to have a condition that requires constant care.

In Alberta, we pay for prescription drugs out of pocket unless you're a Senior.  For the present Seniors pay $25 for most prescriptions while Alberta Blue Cross (free to every Senior and their spouses) pays the remainder.

Most of us also carry plans to cover prescription drugs or tests not covered.

While the system is not perfect and expensive, it works for the majority of us.  I saw the excellent care a friend of mine received in the city when he had colon cancer.  Unfortunately he passed in April, but not due to lack of health care. 

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Rory Cripps

ACP: Thanks! Your info is greatly appreciated!

I'm covered through a private employer-sponsored health care plan. My employer renewed our coverage this year however the premium for the existing plan increased roughly 30 percent. Therefore the existing plan was cost-prohibitive (especially in light of the terrible economic conditions) and as a result, my employer had to go to a less expensive plan.  Notwithstanding,  the new plan contains higher deductibles for medical and prescription coverage.

The premium has also increased. It's now roughly $600 per month on my end and about the same on my employer's end. That's a lot of money considering that out of pocket expenses for an average family that's in relatively good health, no less, can typically be a few hundred dollars per month. In other words, if no one in my family went to the doctor or bought any medication, it would still cost me roughly $7000 per year for health insurance. And  the plan does not include dental or vision BTW--it's strictly a medical coverage plan.

My medical coverage is typical and is by no means "Cadillac" coverage. In view of the numbers and constraints on my health care coverage that I've provided above, my question is this: How is it possible for the U.S. Government to provide 30 million currently uninsured Americans with health care coverage at a level consistent (or better as it claims) with the health care coverage that privately-insured Americans are currently receiving and have been used to receiving without going into massive and unsustainable debt?



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