"Homosexuality is not God's best" according to Pastor Joel Osteen

by Rhonda J Mangus | November 13, 2009 at 09:40 am
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Homosexuality is not God's best according to megachurch televangelist pastor Joel Osteen. Osteen, pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, made this statement during an appearance on The View earlier this month when asked by View cohost Whoopi Goldberg whether people are welcome at his Lakewood Church.


Osteen said he welcomes people of different religions and sexual orientations, but that "homosexuality is not God's best."

Osteen added that he loves everyone, that some of his closest friends are gay, and that they tend to be "some of the nicest people in the world."

Joy Behar, who also has her own show on CNN Headline News, asked Osteen whether he thinks homosexuality is a choice. "It's not something you pick to be, because it's very difficult to be gay in this society," she said.

"I know it isn't, but I try to love them and treat them with respect," Osteen said.


Bringing his 'primped and plastic form of bigotry' to The View according to Towleroad, Osteen was pitching his latest book, It's Your Time.

Watch Pastor Joel Osteen on The View: "Homosexuality is not God's best".

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Barbara McPherson

Who can know what God's intentions are?  Isn't pride and hubris one of the deadly sins?

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Rhonda J Mangus

Thanks, Barb! I hope you watched the video clip, it's priceless -- Imagine, a 'pastor' (Joel Osteen) critiquing God's work. 




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smkovalinsky

He likes gays,  but he knows they are "not god's best".  So Andrew Sullivan,  with all his Oxford education,  handsomeness,  eloquence,  creativity, and literary and political brilliance,  is one OK guy;  but because he is gay,   he is just "not God's best",  say,  the way a trucker from Alabama is.  It is SO obvious that this is a man who would like to side with the gays,  but is terrified of losing half his audience. 

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Rhonda J Mangus

Thanks, smk! See my comment to Barb -- the video clip is priceless -- listen carefully to what he is actually saying -- it speaks volumes.


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Rhonda J Mangus

Thanks, rng! Here, again, I hope you watched the video clip!:)



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Rhonda J Mangus

Please do, rng! Thanks!




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Roy C

IT is the pair-bond that the conservative thinkers are concerned with. Their concern is perhaps realer than you gay rights activists would allow.

When Plato and Socrates, the Buddhists and the Judeo-Christians came out against male homosexuality and who instituted the taboo, we could surmise that it was against the bi-sexual acting out that the cultural and spiritual leaders had taken aim.

Why? Because male otherwise-heterosexuals using other men as the feminine partner, while recapitulating our evolutionary behavior as  primate males, undermines the evolved  pair-bond, the very thing that allowed us to move forward in an evolutionary sense, with more care and protection of the young.

Male to male sexuality  promotes a certain degree of male narcissism. I mean if you love women and the feminine so much, why not be with a woman?

Seeing the promiscuity and narcissism of male homosexuality may have been the basis of the taboo, which is world wide in all religions in a major way.

It is this tendency of male otherwise-heterosexuals to act out that is the basis of the fear that more conservative people have about being permissive about homosexuality.

The differentiation of sexual identity gets very complicated when the poles are changed often and regularly and what most conservatives aim for is the setting up of stable pair bonds to have stable family units and a stable society.

The extremely unfair treatment of real homosexual men comes from heterosexual men's fear of their own still existent homosexual potential, a projection.

But, gay rights activists want to maintain what has never been proven true: that homosexuality is never a choice, and that only real homosexuals participate in this and that this does not complicate future relations with a woman you may marry.

I know the gay rights activists don't like this sort of thinking, but I am a man and I know what and who has come onto me over the years, and I know that there is a lot of truth to this.

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YankeeJim

I just bet that the God who created all of us, if you believe that, is not ashamed of any of it. In fact, diversity among us is the basis for learning tolerance and respect. Self-knowledge leads to self-respect, and self-respect is the basis for self-control, I think.

Having been raised in a family of diverse religions and background, I have always been instructed to love everyone equally, and to appreciate our differences.

The place that harbors the greatest contradiction to these values turned out to be more the church than anywhere else. After considerable study over a lifetime, I have concluded that developing a high value for individual freedom and liberty trumps everything else.

I tracked my DNA, R1a1 for 60,000 years and discovered that aside from starting the treck to the present from Ethiopia, my kind wandered to Israel and from there to India and onto Iran. From there they traveled northward through Russia and into what is today the Czcech Republic before donning horns and head gear and landing in Wales. We were allegedly a part of the lost tribe and along the way invented and participated in a host of beliefs and customs.

My avatar shows me standing by an ancient Celtic cross at the Victoria and Albert Museum in London. Home sweet home.

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Jordan Yerman

If you believe in an almighty, how can you believe that that almighty has a "second-best"? That doesn't make sense to me.

["you" in the general sense]

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Hugh Askew

If God made man in His image, then his 1st choice would for us to be like Him.
Anything else is 2nd best, or less.
It isn't like He forces folks into the behavior they choose.
Because He allows all sorts of misbehavior on our part, hardly means He approves.

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YankeeJim

Exactly---unless of course SHE thinks lesser of the other.

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Babel-Fish

I am sure the great spaghetti monster in the sky that ominous all knowing super duper being actual is amused by his never ending mistakes. lol

Being gay is defiantly not a sin its a part of nature in fact one of our far relatives actual changes sex at a whim, the oyster. 

The extremely unfair treatment of real homosexual men comes from heterosexual men's fear of their own still existent homosexual potential, a projection.
I don't believe that is the whole truth only part of it. Many men do not want to proposition by a gay person some do not want to be mistaken as being gay. 





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Uwe Paschen

:) I feel sorry for God and all he/she/it has to listen to and put up with. I am certain that if there is a god he or she or it may regret creating Humanity by now.

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ranter22

Do not despair or be jealous of other peoples deeds, wheher they be right or wrong. For the most part the bible shpuld be read and understood in a literal way. Some times the text is not literal and has teaching to it. It is true today as much as it was a long time ago. No one is forcing anyone to go to church, just as no one forces anyone to breath. My sins are my business and Gods. If the problem is that you disagree with the bible over this issue, then write one for yourself and make all the rules you want. Otherwise, anyone is allowed in most churches. No pastor, Bishop or anyone has the right to deny a person a place in worship. The same is true of any person who is gay, It is you, you want that, fine. The bible does not, neither does God, accept that behavior, by choice, by spirit or by deed. It does however offer unlimited forgiveness, hope and mercy. Assuming the person is willing to learn, all will be revealed to you in time. That is the word of God... . God does not Jump on you and force you to change or force you at all. If anyone changes the bible for any reason, they are so condemned, beyond help. If a gay person accepts me, I accept them also. they can talk about it and I will talk about whatever. People are people and we all have things we do, right and wrong. But god does not makes mistakes, neither does he make one better and the other worst. Shame on Joel Osteem. Gold digger.

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galefan2004

I still love what Dolly Parton said when asked about "god's best" on The Joy Behar Show. She said that if this guy was really a Christian then he wouldn't be judging anyone to begin with. So many Christians overlook the part about not judging others and not throwing the first stone but love to throw out one or two very obscure passages to promote their own homophobia.

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Carmex

I think people are misconstruing Joel Osteen's statements. I think the church is very hypocritical when it comes to how homosexuals are judged, but in my heart, I don't think it's God's perfect will either. However, I also think fornication, adultery, divorce, lust, lying, cheating, idolatry, abortion, jealousy, murder, hate, and other issues aren't God's best either. I do think God can use anything, even things that are less than His perfect will to our advantage, to show us His greatness and to make us love one another more like God loves us. Only God really knows this. I don't think Joel was judging homosexuals as he said they are welcome in his church. I think people get too sensitive when this topic comes up. I believe people are born homosexual, but does that mean that was God's original, perfect plan? No, just like I don't believe it was God's original perfect plan that children be born limbless, that young children's mothers die of cancer or that divorce, adultery or fornication happen. I believe God had a perfect plan for the Earth which was destroyed by Adam and Eve's original sin. We are all living under the fallen world, which was handed to the devil. Therefore, many things, including homosexuality are a part of that. I don't condemn homosexuals and stand up for them to be embraced and accepted just as all others are embraced and accepted by the church. My church had a march against gays, and I refused to participate and even spoke to the pastor. His son, who is a pastor even condemned his father for doing that. And eventually, God spoke to my pastor and my pastor publicly apologized for it. People who are homosexual really struggle in this society to be who they are, and for those born that way, they can't help it. But that doesn't mean that was God's original perfect will. Neither is divorce, abortion, wife beating, adultery, out of wedlock births, fornication or lust. The beauty of God in my opinion is that He is so magnificent and He loves all of us so much even with our imperfections. And that's how we are supposed to love one another...unconditionally.

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