How Widespread Is Gang Stalking?

by PeaceFrog | November 10, 2011 at 09:10 am
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“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face
with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”

J. Edgar Hoover on COINTELPRO

     There have been books, articles, blogs, commentary, Youtube videos, etc., detailing what victims call gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques. To my knowledge, there has not been any attempt to quantify gang stalking in the U.S. in terms of the total number of participants. By participants, I mean gang stalking victims, members of gang stalking groups, flash mobs involved in community mobbing of gang stalking victims, and, persons and entities who play a peripheral role in related workplace mobbing and systematic isolation of the gang stalking target. 

      Once caught in the web of the gang stalking Program, a target is subject to a full court press that invades every aspect of their life and is calculated to destroy that person. The process is highly formulaic programmatic, systematic and systemic. Key to the destruction of a gang stalking target is a full penetration and infiltration of their environs, including their constant surveillance and harassment in their home, workplace/school mobbing of the target, and target's isolation from friends and family members. This is done in a highly formulaic, programmatic, systematic and systemic manner. This article seeks to extrapolate, largely from circumstantial evidence, how large the gang stalking Program is in terms of persons and entities involved. This article will also look at gang stalking activities and related funding issues to assess who is ultimately behind the funding and control of the gang stalking Program.      

     The starting point is the assessment of the number of victims of the gang stalking Program. The author made a FOIA request to DOJ after their release of Stalking Victimization in the United States, in January of 2009. In that FOIA request, the author asked DOJ how many victims of 3 or more stalkers were reporting that the multiple stalkers were acting in concert as a team or group. The author received a response showing, that according to DOJ statistics, 185,050 persons in the U.S. were being stalked by teams or groups of between "3" and "50" stalkers. See links:

  http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf

  http://www.osnanaimo.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf      

     The author previously wrote an article in which he pointed out flaws in the methodology used in the Stalking Report that resulted in an under-reporting of the number of gang stalking victims, and argued that an accurate number was at least 350,000. See link:

  http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-new-doj-foia-documents-prove-doj-knows-truth    

     In any event, this article will be using the range of 185,000 to 350,000 gang stalking Program victims in assessing the parameters of the Program in terms of persons involved in the Program. We will also consider gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques as widely and uniformly reported in various articles, blogs, books, commentary, the Urban Dictionary, etc., on the subject, to quantify the number of persons involved in the gang stalking Program from features of the Program widely and uniformly reported in the numerous accounts of the Program in articles, blogs, etc.    

     The first element of the gang stalking Program we will analyze is the constant surveillance and related harassment of the gang stalking victim 24/7/365 as is a widely and uniformly reported feature of the Program. From what is being reported, in terms of surveillance and related harassment, at least one member of a gang stalking group has to be surveilling a gang stalking target at all times. This means that at least one person is involved in surveilling the gang stalking victim 168 hours a week. This means that approximately 4 full-time jobs are involved in the constant surveillance of a single gang stalking Program victim. Since gang stalking victims are subject to harassment, conspicuous surveillance, flash mobbing, street theatre and related tactics everywhere they go, inside and outside their community, there are additional gang stalking group members involved in the illegal surveillance and related harassment of gang stalking victims in the community. Clearly, these groups multi-task surveillance and harassment activities against multiple gang stalking Program targets in a given community in which the respective gang stalking group operates. It is safe to say that at least a handful of gang stalking group members are needed to illegally surveill and harass a Program victim as they travel within and outside their communities. It is also clear that gang stalking groups multi-task and harass numerous targets that travel in and through a given community in which the particular gang stalking group operates. It is also conservative to estimate that at least one or two gang stalking members per target are involved in coordinating gang stalking activities against targets of the Program when said targets are "on the move" in addition to the bare minimum of 4 gang stalking group members needed to keep the Program target under constant surveillance. This equates to a total of 5 or 6 gang stalking group members per gang stalking target at minimum. If we take the conservative estimate of 5.5 gang stalking group members per target and apply it to our range of 185,000 to 350,000 we get about 1 million to 2 million gang stalking group members.    

     The gang stalking group members are drawn heavily from the Penal System under the guidance of the Department of Homeland Security. One victim, who is an ex-con, tried to post the following on the Wikipedia page on Stalking by Groups:

"Mostly the groups are x-cons or convicts released early out of jail or prison to join this program were to monitor and or track innocent people and report anything so they will end up in jail or even worse be assassinated by the group if the head agent in charge gives them a green lite on the persons life which means to kill them. I am a victim of this and not only my life but my children's lives are in danger because i am well aware of every thing they have done to me over the years."

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      It is important to note that the 1 million to 2 million estimate of gang stalking group members is an estimate of the people coordinating the illegal surveillance and harassment against targets as part of a territorial, hierarchical group with a defined membership. This estimate does not include non-members who are loosely affiliated and join in on the gang stalking activities, such as flash mobbing and street theatre, on a semi-permanent or ad hoc basis. These semi-permanent members range from neighbors and community groups coerced, or misled by a slander campaign against the gang stalking target, into participation in the the Program, to vagrant types given a few bucks to participate. Most of the storefront businesses, community groups and many of the neighbors involved in the Program are not members of gang stalking groups, but, will harass and mistreat the gang stalking target because of coercion used against them by the gang stalking groups, or, because they buy into a slander campaign villifying the Program target as deserving of such treatment. Gang stalking Program targets represent a fraction of a percent of the communities they live in. The neighbors, storefront businesses, community groups coerced and/or misled into involvement in the gang stalking Program nationwide represent additional millions of participants in the Program.    

     In order to destroy the target, an infiltration of every aspect of that target's life is performed. This means that not only are neighbors and neighborhood businesses recruited to participate, but, that employers, friends and family members are turned against the target. This involves workplace mobbing at each workplace the Program target works. This also means that friends, associates, co-workers and blood relatives are subject to coercion and slander campaigns against the target. This requires the Program to reach dozens of individuals per target.     

    Most of the above-mentioned categories of people,to wit, neighbors, neighborhood groups, businesses, employers, friends, relatives, etc., are not gang stalking group members. Rather, these participantss, who are far more numerous than the 1 to 2 million gang stalking group members nationwide, participate in the Program because they are either coereced and/or misled by slander campaigns against the Program target. Gang stalking victims quickly realize that friends, co-workers, and even intimates are really "frenemies" looking to undermine them. Some of these frenemies are emotionally unstable, psychologically draining individuals with dysthymic disorder. More importantly, some of these frenemies are likely to have been placed on the gang stalking victim even before the active phase of gang stalking began. These frenemies are chosen because they are psychologically weak and some digging will reveal other questionable relationships in which these same frenemy tools have been placed on other gang stalking victims. Again, this happens to mirror the law enforcement practice of placing a "bad jacket" on a mark. Certain employers are gang stalking mills, intentionally hiring Program targets for workplace mobbing and constructive termination because their owners are particularly vulnerable to blackmail and other coercive tactics.  

      Below is a a link to the testimony of a gang stalker explaining "the syndicate" and its operations, funding, lingo, interactions with civil institutions, etc. The gang stalker describes a coercion daisy chain in which he too is at the mercy of the mob and would have to sacrifice his wife and family if ordered to by "higher ups". Of course, anyone weak-minded enough to follow this Program is blind to the wider implications of social engineering and political control technology imposed by the criminalized intelligence services using him as a tool of structural political oppression against the wider public. The public is ultimately seen as the enemy by the power elite and their well fed and trained dogs in the intelligence and security apparatus:

http://gangstalkingsurfers.wordpress.com/confessions-of-a-gang-stalker-aka-life-in-the-syndicate/

          All gang stalking targets experience an updated and refined version of McCarthy era blacklisting. This involves being hired, then, soon after, being subject to a hostile work environment, resulting in actual or constructive termination. Because of the sheer number of employers involved in this nefarious practice against gang stalking targets, as well as the fact that employers ranging from small businesses to large multinationals are involved, this neo-blacklisting can only be being orchestrated by the FBI, as was the case with McCarthyism. Unlike McCarthyism, neo-blacklisting, with its use of a hostile wok environment leading to actual or constructive termination, is not subject to the inference that a blacklisted target is being subject to defamation leading to un-employability, because they are indeed hired, then promptly set up for failure. Gang stalking targets’ “employment problems” start at the same time as their gang stalking starts. Most gang stalking targets, similar to victims of workplace mobbing, are actually better than average workers in their occupations.  

      All gang stalking targets experience workplace mobbing and academic mobbing. Ken Westhues, Sociology Professor Emeritus at University of Waterloo, Canada, writes about the causal link between academic and workplace mobbing and the rash of mass shootings:

"Most of the people who go postal, however, in academic as in other workplaces, have been mobbed there in preceding months or years."

http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/vtmassacre.htm

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/academic-study-links-mass-shootings-community-mobbing

     The term "community mobbing" is a defined term of art in the field of Sociology. Community mobbing is the systematic use of  bullying, rumor, innuendo, intimidation, humiliation, discrediting isolation, and general harassment in which the group ("mob") attacks a targeted individual:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing

     Academic studies have shown that mobbing has severe health consequences:

In mobbing targets with PTSD, Leymann notes that the "mental effects were fully comparable with PTSD from war or prison camp experiences. Some patients may develop alcoholism or other substance abuse disorders. Family relationships routinely suffer. Some targets may even develop brief psychotic episodes, generally with paranoid symptoms. Leymann estimated that 15% of suicides in Sweden could be directly attributed to workplace mobbing.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing#Mobbing_in_the_workplace    

     Calgary Professor Hugo A. Meynell has publicly compared workplace mobbing to ethnic cleansing, and, has described the workplace mobbing victim as "a little holocaust" happening daily in our civilized workplaces:

http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/meynell-hh.htm

     This country has now entered a phase of false "Democratism". This is an illusion of a two party system in which a plutocracy runs a right wing totalitarian state and hollows out any semblance of constitutional due process. The First, Second, and Fourth Amendments are particularly under siege. It appears that the operation of the American Red Guard/ American Stasi is meeting armed resistance. The mass shooting "epidemic" in America is a result of the occupation of the lives of gang stalking targets by the fascist operatus implemented against them by their government. Unlike the former U.S.S.R., Red China, Nazi Germany, etc., the widespread ownership of guns in civilian hands in America is at odds with the de facto national Gestapo system known as gang stalking. Ironically, as Wikileaks represented the example par excellence of a First Amendment insurgency against a proto-fascist America, so too, the mass shootings, however misguided the chosen targets, represent a Second Amendment revolt against fascist tyranny.

 http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

     The gang stalking Program is highly systematic, programmatic and systemic. Information about it dispensed to participants outside the gang stalking groups themselves is disinformational, misinformational and largely compartmentalized or "stovepiped". The total amount of Program participants, as described herein, can easily exceed 100 to every 1 gang stalking Program target. This means that 10% of the U.S. population may be participating in the gang stalking Program, most only having a vague notion of the larger Program called gang stalking by its victims. These numbers are consistent with the civil population involvement with the intelligence communities in former Eastern Bloc. It is noteworthy that the author has multiple sources stating that middle aged persons from the former Eastern Bloc, who are not even fluent in English, are participating in the gang stalking Program in the U.S., as if they imported the techniques directly from Eastern Europe. Similarly, the urban storefront businesses in this country are often run by immigrants originating from third world police states where noncompliance with authority is regularly met by brutal state reaction (disappearances, murder, rape, beatings, etc). This prior social conditioning of recent immigrants makes it easy work for the big city American police departments who run the gang stalking Program for the Feds to incorporate them into the Program.        

     Community-based policing, similar to gang stalking, is today, and has been for decades, the preferred tool of third-world societal control. A good example of this is Syria, where 20 percent of the population is working for the intelligence agencies. See: "When 20 per cent of the population is rumored to be in the intelligence service, it is no wonder, many prefer to keep their voices down in the light of day. But within a crowd, that fear is temporarily forgotten." Link to full story:

  http://rt.com/news/intelligence-violence-security-fear-243/

     In the U.S., the use of a growing percentage of the population in national "neighborhood watch Programs" has been instrumental in building a Stasi-like citizen spy network:

     In 1981, national data showed that 12 percent of the population was involved in some type of neighborhood watch group (O'Keefe and Mendelsohn, 1984). By 1988, it was estimated that between seven and 20 percent of residents of U.S. cities were involved in such activities (Rosenbaum, 1988). A national study (Whitaker, 1986) showed that 38 percent of households in neighborhoods that had a Neighborhood Watch program participated in the program. This study concluded that urban areas were more likely to have programs than suburban or rural areas, but that people living in the latter were likely to be involved in a program if one was organized. 

full link:

http://www.usaonwatch.org/about/neighborhoodwatch.aspx?

     This community policing model whether based on former Eastern Bloc countries, Syria, or gang stalking in the U.S., requires the deputizing, and putting on the payroll, a large swathe of the criminal element.

     What is also common about all community policing models, including gang stalking in America, is that only the government has the money to fund them. Neighbors moving into housing units surrounding a Program target. Gang stalking perps with no job or means driving around in new model trucks. Gang stalking is happening not only in big cities but in rural areas and every demographic in between. One can find reports of it happening in every state, every county, every city, and almost every town in America. We are talking about Billions of dollars in funding here. All segments of the social order are co-opted into the Program. Targets will experience harassment, such as street theate and mobbing, by vagrants, others on the welfare rolls, city workers, etc. The total societal penetration reaches into their doctors offices, employers, neighbors, etc., right out of the former Eastern Bloc playbook. 

     Some argue that narcotics and other rackets fund gang stalking which, unlike every other racket, has no self-funding mechanism. The problem with this explanation is that because of criminal defense legal fees, civil forfeiture, mandatory victim compensation laws, etc., it is increasingly the case that racketeering wealth is less likely to be passed on generationally than it is to be confiscated  and appropriated by the state.

     "Gang stalking groups" have a substantially identical modus operandi to the FBI's Special Surveillance Groups or "SSG's". These SSG's were developed in the 1970's to combat Soviet espionage. Today, these tactics have been taught to criminals, through FBI channels, for domestic COINTELPRO operations against American citizens. Anyone familiar with gang stalking will immediately understand the striking similarity by reviewing the following NPR links on SSG's:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P0UibgHIZg

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92207687

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/surveillance/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Surveillance_Group

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Spying_on_spy_Raw_Story_interviews_0612.html

     Yale Psychologist Stanley Milgram's "small world" experiment concluded that about 1 in 6 people were sufficient to link to every member of a population (this later became the "six degrees of separation" principle). The 1 million to 2 million estimate for gang stalking group members is sufficient to explain the manpower needed to coordinate constant fixed and mobile surveillance against gang stalking vicitims numbering in the hundreds of thousands. The number of people needed to explain the highly consistent gang stalking accounts of hundreds of thousands of Program victims nationwide is exponentially higher.

     The FBI and local police "red squad" units (Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) are not performing th grunt work of illegal surveillance and harassment of gang stalking targets. Rather, Snitches are being used to do the "community policing" and legwork for related COINTELPRO activities. These Snitches are essentially slave labor for law enforcement. The same model was used as the "Ghetto cop" by Nazis, and the "proletariat" citizen spy by the Communists. This country has a history of using criminal labor for social engineering campaigns. Ward Churchill documented the cultural Genocide of the American Indian as late as the 1980's. This was accomplished through sending Native American children to government "assimilation" camps run by criminals to separate them from their families and culture. The resulting beatings, rapes and other deprivations suffered as a result of this "assimilation" led to some of the highest unemployment, alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, etc., rates of any racial/ethnic demographic in American history. All the above is consistent with the trend of delegating much of "police work" to deputized criminal subagents. A great example is the statistic that 50% of federal narcotics cases are made through criminal informants; See link:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Snit

     Key to understanding the nefarious snitch system is not only recognizing the sheer number of snitches, but also understanding the concept of the police creating the "snitch for life". Deferred prosecution/deferred sentencing agreements give police at all levels of government the option of giving felons facing long-term or life sentences an indefinite deferment as long as they keep snitching. These agreements can be more or less formal, but, always entail continued deferment of punishment while the criminal continues cooperation with authorities through the voluntary waiver of the statute of limitations. Most people, including criminals, do not know that the statute of limitations (usually 5 years for federal felonies) can and is commonly waived by cooperating criminals. This means that career or part-time criminals, facing sentencing, for example, under Rockefeller drug laws, can become long-term assets informing for decades. They can operate and inform under changing scenarios as their employers, friends and associates change over time. The policy question here is, does the informant trading liability by shifting it to other criminals provide a "public service" by doing so? Can we consider this self-interested criminals information or testimony as being disinterested as in the case of a disinterested citizen witness? Hardly, I'd say.   

      The FBI can orchestrate gang stalking with little or no overt presence. This was how COINTELPRO was designed. Through infiltration and the cultivation of snitches, the FBI ferments division within targeted groups, such as organized crime. The desired result is increasing the factionalizing or splitting within targeted groups, and, between targeted groups, resulting in the self destruction and mutual destruction of FBI targeted groups. This is achieved with little or no traces of direct FBI activity within these groups. Essentially, the most effective thing about COINTELPRO, is psychological manipulation of the targeted groups' members.

     In the case of "generational victims", entire families are targeted by the Program for multiple generations. A key to understanding this is comprehending that systematic and systemic coercion will be used against both members of the nuclear and extended targeted family. Machiavellian "splitting" techniques as well as organized crime-style methods will be used to divide and destroy the targeted family. It is important to note that only a minority of these targeted families' members will experience full blown gang stalking (street theatre, flash mobbing, slander campaigns, intimate infiltration, employment sabotage, 24/7/365 surveillance and harassment, etc.). Some blogs and commentators write about a "preconditioning phase" before the onset of full blown gang stalking. During this preconditioning phase, the prospective future gang stalking victim is exposed to public rudeness, rudeness by employers, etc., to start breaking them down psychologically. The methods used during preconditioning to gang stalking are similar to predatory methods of cult abuse and MKULTRA-type abuse. Generational victims family members would all undergo the preconditioning phase of gang stalking, while only a minority of family members will proceed to full blown gang stalking. Ironically, the resilient, anti-authoritarian types will be of greater risk of becoming full blown gang stalking victims. The personalities of prospective gang stalking victims will be heavily profiled and any exploitable weaknesses duly noted during the preconditioning phase.

     The Leninist concept of organizing a "controlled opposition" is central to the gang stalking Program's cover-up. The FBI's use of controlled opposition (phony government operatives and groups posing as opposition) in COINTELPRO is well documented. Ward Churchill writes about this in the context of AIM, the KKK and other groups subjected to COINTELPRO in The COINTELPRO Papers linked below (this book is a must read for anyone who wants to understand COINTELPRO): 

http://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/Cointelpro_Papers.pdf

    The controlled opposition, which has its origins in Lenin's Soviet Union, and, Mao's Red Guard, is clearly at play in the gang stalking Program:

 "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.'"

Vladimir Lenin (the FBI has learned Lenin's teachings well).

     To give a historical analogue to gang stalking , the below linked film, Stasiland, examines the East German surveillance society that is considered the gold standard for the modern police state:

http://www.youtube.com/user/phrygian20?blend=22&ob=5#p/u/0/HClXxgCPAjY

     An excellent overview of the criminalization of American intelligence agencies is given by former N.O.C. MI-6 agent Christopher Story in his book New Underworld Order :

http://www.thinkorbeeaten.com/theknoll/rr/The_New_Underworld_Order%20-%20Christopher_Story.pdf

     Pay specific attention to Chapter 8, at p. 529, et. seq. Story's partial biography is found on his Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Story

     Retired Sheriff Richard Mack on the oath to the Constitution versus federal tyranny and cronyism:

http://www.nullifynow.com/2012/02/richard-mack-the-untouchable-bill-of-rights/

     Furthermore, upon information and belief, the author herein believes that the following mass murders are likely related to the "gang stalking" Program:

James E. Holmes

Terence Tyler

One L. Goh

Scott Dekraai         

John Turner
Yvonne Hiller
Amy Bishop
Shareef Allman
Jiverly Wong
Cho Seung-Hui

Ross Truett Ashley (visited same gun range as Cho Seung-Hui)
Abdo Ibssa
Nidal Malik Hassan
Jared Loughner

Christopher Nathen Elliot Travis

T.J. Lane

Andrew J. Engeldinger

Lawrence Jones

Raulie Wayne Casteel

Jacob Tyler Roberts

Jeffrey Lee Michael

Adam Lanza

William H. Spengler, Jr.

Bryan Oliver

Nehemiah Griego

Arthur Douglas Harmon

Christopher Jordan Dorner

 Nahn Lap Tran  

Ali Syed

Kurt R. Myers

James Oliver Seevakumaran

Dylan Quick

Neil MacInnis

See Appendix of link below:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/counterterrorism/ActiveShooter2012Edition.pdf 

          Note that the author is not claiming definitive proof of gang stalking in each case, but rather, indicia of gang stalking in each case. Moreover, the author is not claiming to know whether other incidents of mass violence relate back to the "gang stalking" Program, but he suspects there are other such incidents.      

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Why is Wikipedia Censoring Mainstream News about Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/why-wikipedia-censoring-mainstream-news-about-gang-stalking#ixzz1gGhM9yPz

    

 

 

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batvette, Given much of the drivel that you've posted,o ne would think that it might be difficult but, fortunately, the truth -- like cream -- has a way of finding its way to the top.

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PeaceFrog

Batvette's comments on this article:

04:22 on November 15th, 2011

I'll discredit one life story at a time if need be.

Where is yours?

05:22 on November 18th, 2011

Guzzino comes off like a whiney little s h i t in that video

Batvette’s comments on the Shia LeBeouf article:

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/shia-labeouf-being-gang-stalked?page=1

at 14:32 on October 23rd, 2011

So we're supposed to focus on who is doing something that we're claiming is happening but probably 90% of it is not at all, and anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 of the people reporting it are actually delusional

Batvette’s comments on the Wikipedia article:

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/why-wikipedia-censoring-mainstream-news-about-gang-stalking

at 15:47 on October 17th, 2011

the bigger point you are missing is these tidbits you are grasping like they are the holy grail have to be weighed by even the objective viewer against the vast concensus of media pieces that have gone before it declaring this to be a group delusion which has grown greater with the internet.

Do you think these media pieces have been entirely wrong to conclude this?

at 19:32 on October 17th, 2011

failed strategy of "strength in numbers" and "we gotta educate the public about people ruining our lives by clicking pens, talking on cell  phones and whispering rumours about us everywhere we go" has only led to a situation where the numbers of real TI's are dwarfed by the delusional.

 
Batvette’s comments on first Gunderson article

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-former-fbi-division-chief-speaks-out

at 21:48 on January 10th, 2011

What is it about "OS" that has destroyed your life? Clicking pens? You think people whisper behind your back wherever you go? Everyone wears red or blue one day and that torments you? You maybe get followed around wherever you go? Life's "little breaks" all add up to a grand conspiracy against you? People stand in front of something you want to buy in the store? Dozens of cars surround you on the freeway, and a program put them there to do that?

There is NOTHING in the OS tactics list a person with thick skin could not easily live with.

NEED I SAY MORE. THIS SAMPLING OF YOUR HATEFUL COMMENTS BELITTLING GANG STALKING VICTIMS AND MAKING LIGHT OF GANG STALKING PROVES YOU ARE A LIAR, FRAUD AND FAKE TI!


 

 

 

 

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PeaceFrog

Batvette's comments on this article:

04:22 on November 15th, 2011

I'll discredit one life story at a time if need be.

Where is yours?

05:22 on November 18th, 2011

Guzzino comes off like a whiney little s h i t in that video

Batvette’s comments on the Shia LeBeouf article:

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/shia-labeouf-being-gang-stalked?page=1

at 14:32 on October 23rd, 2011

So we're supposed to focus on who is doing something that we're claiming is happening but probably 90% of it is not at all, and anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 of the people reporting it are actually delusional

Batvette’s comments on the Wikipedia article:

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/why-wikipedia-censoring-mainstream-news-about-gang-stalking

at 15:47 on October 17th, 2011

the bigger point you are missing is these tidbits you are grasping like they are the holy grail have to be weighed by even the objective viewer against the vast concensus of media pieces that have gone before it declaring this to be a group delusion which has grown greater with the internet.

Do you think these media pieces have been entirely wrong to conclude this?

at 19:32 on October 17th, 2011

failed strategy of "strength in numbers" and "we gotta educate the public about people ruining our lives by clicking pens, talking on cell  phones and whispering rumours about us everywhere we go" has only led to a situation where the numbers of real TI's are dwarfed by the delusional.

 
Batvette’s comments on first Gunderson article

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-former-fbi-division-chief-speaks-out

at 21:48 on January 10th, 2011

What is it about "OS" that has destroyed your life? Clicking pens? You think people whisper behind your back wherever you go? Everyone wears red or blue one day and that torments you? You maybe get followed around wherever you go? Life's "little breaks" all add up to a grand conspiracy against you? People stand in front of something you want to buy in the store? Dozens of cars surround you on the freeway, and a program put them there to do that?

There is NOTHING in the OS tactics list a person with thick skin could not easily live with.

NEED I SAY MORE. THIS SAMPLING OF YOUR HATEFUL COMMENTS BELITTLING GANG STALKING VICTIMS AND MAKING LIGHT OF GANG STALKING PROVES YOU ARE A LIAR, FRAUD AND FAKE TI!


 

 

 

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PeaceFrog

Batvette writes,

What I did experience is best described as a small handful of  ideology driven individuals who were keeping an eye on me as either volunteers or paid informants of some law enforcemnent or community entity.

Batvette in 2009,

This is a message to the perps in their pickup trucks who like to bright my house, to the neighbors who joined gov't snitch programs, to the members of community steering groups we believe finger us for a slow death sentance, and the architects of this whole concept.

Above all, you are too timid to stand up and challenge authority when it needs to be challenged. You need to join a group of other like minded twits to indulge your desire to bully and control people, need "empowerment and adventure" (Thanks, Mark Rich) because you can't get it on your own initiative, or need the numbers of a gang to intimidate others.   A complete morally decrepit, dimwitted, cowardly pathetic wretch.  It takes what, 50, 100 of you to keep one TI down? I'd call that a mismatch. In our favor.

Better than us? Hardly, fact is you are a sociopath. A psychopath, even. What other kind of person would sit in his pickup like you do, in a dark, cold parking lot at night, hoping the target might pop out so you might have the opportunity to drive at him and intimidate him with your headlights? One could even theorize all of this wasn't designed to get rid of us, but use us to keep you busy and focused in life-  otherwise you might be torturing small animals, cruising the playgrounds looking for five year olds, and if you weren't parked out there waiting for me it might be outside of your ex wife, girlfriend, or the loan officer who repo'd your ice cream truck.

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gangstalking-tis-targeted-individuals-manifesto  

     YOUR CURRENT STATEMENT AND THOSE YOU MADE IN 2009 ARE INCOMPATIBLE, YOU WERE EITHER LYING THEN OR YOU ARE LYING NOW. EITHER WAY YOU ARE A LIAR!

 

 




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batvette

Keith Labella you really are an insufferable petty little b i t c h, aren't you? So desperate to try and bring me down to your level as a liar, you're scouring the web for all my statements over several years and trying to compare them, how stupid is that when I said several times my beliefs have evolved and I resent having been misled by so called "activists" like yourself putting foolish things in people's heads and fueling paranoia.

There are NO lies like you claiming Ted Gunderson was under oath. THAT was a lie. It's obvious all you are doing now is trying to level the playing field, but you don't even seem to know what a lie is. What a moron, here you are desperate to stroke your vanity but all you're doing is proliferating the internet with threads that intelligent people can refer to for years displaying your juvenile tactics waging personal attacks.

The most ridiculous thing here is you HAVE my story to kick at but you still keep yours hidden. I don't think you are a victim of anything. I think you are just a closeted nutter living vicariously in the adventures of others you read about on the internet, and find therapy  easier pretending to be one than getting the real professional help you should be seeking.

This is where the stupid shyte you're claiming about people on crutches comes from. That isn't a tactic of anything and makes no sense. YOU
MADE IT UP but you're too crazy to understand it's just dumb. To you, it is a "gangstalking tactic". You see a person on crutches, it's an imperfect human, in your self absorbed mind it's visual blight that torments you to have to endure. "why must I have to see this thing in front of me?"  So it must be part of this grand conspiracy against you.

Funny though I have raised this point and ridiculed it countless times you've refused to discuss it at all, it's because you now realize how hopelessly stupid it is. Yet you were the source of it. This is how a disturbed mind works. At the time you rationalized it as a real tactic, now you can only run as far as you can from that moment of complete detachment from reality.

Now I expect you will attack me with even greater anger,  accusing me of saying horrible things about TI's.

 Persecutory Delusions. What sucks about all this is you only care about dragging others with  the same affliction, or new, naive TI's, as I was several years ago, into the abyss with you, solely for the benefit of your vanity.

If you think I'm wrong you can start by describing how you rationalized a person on crutches walking by you was "part of the gangstalking motiff".

11
PeaceFrog

     John A. Lucier I have pointed out numerous accounts of your position denying every gang stalking method/technique in the gang stalking playbook. YOU DENY: involvement by large numbers of people in gang stalking groups, noise campaigns, slander campaigns, flash mobbing of victims, workplace mobbing of victims, etc. These gang stalking methods have not only appeared on websites dedicated to gang stalking but also on whosarat.com, on on several FOX NEWS stories.

     Bottom line: BATVETTE IS A DISINFORMATION ARTIST ATTEMPTING TO DENY EVERYTHING EXPERIENCED AND REPORTED BY GANG STALKING VICTIMS, MOCK AND "TAKE APART" GANG STALKING VICTIM'S LIFE STORIES "ONE AT A TIME", AND CONTINUE TO STATE THAT HE IS A GANG STALKING VICTIM.

     IN ESSENCE YOU'RE ARGUING THAT "PERSECUTORY DELUSIONS" ACCOUNT FOR ALL OTHER GANG STALKING VICTIM'S DAILY LIFE EXPERIENCES AND THAT ONLY YOU, UNLIKE EVERY OTHER VICTIM, HAS A GRIP ON REALITY AND CAN SEE THAT GANG STALKING IS A MATTER OF A "FEW PEOPLE" IN THE COMMUNITY HARASSING VICTIMS AS PART OF SOME MAINSTREAM GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM.

     JOHN LUCIER A.K.A. BATVETTE, YOU ARE FULL OF SHYTE!

0
batvette

Despite your continued campaign to turn all TI's against me, almost all of what I am denying here in these comments is the stupid shyte YOU have been claiming, and curiously YOU won't share ANY of YOUR life story. It's not clear you are anything other than a "wannabe".

So how did you arrive at the conclusion that a person on crutches is part of the gangstalking motiff?

Please answer that.

11
PeaceFrog

Batvette writes,

what I am denying here in these comments is the stupid shyte YOU have been claiming...

     Nice try at distorting your own numerous disparaging statements against gang stalking victims, and statements denying gang stalking methods, as rebutting against my claims. Unfortunately for you, people can read your statements, as accurately recounted by me, to see that your attacking gang stalking victims as a group, and this is far from a Batvette/Peacefrog debate. Here are some of your "opinions" on gang stalking:

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";



 

0
batvette

Accurately recounted? Is that why only a few words have quotation marks?

A clear example: you cannot anywhere at any time find me using the term "anchoring techniques". How did I deny it if I can't be found saying it?  

1. HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THE CONCLUSION A PERSON ON CRUTCHES IS PART OF THE GANGSTALKING MOTIFF?

2. WHERE IS YOUR TI STORY? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?

2
Liz Blandra

PeaceFrog aside -- he can more than handle himself -- many victims would never expose themselves in a public forum for any number of very good reasons.  That you attribute it to a person's duplicitiy -- that one must be hiding something -- reveals a blind spot, on your part.  Many victims would not want to subject themselves to your bulllying -- they have enough problems without one more by the name of "batvette."

0
batvette

Oh that's rich.... since it's been you bullying me poring overt details of my story for something to use on me.

The fact of the matter is Keith Labella has been filing lawsuits in federal court demanding action regarding crimes against individuals he claims are happening to him as well, but he can't describe any of the details of any crimes that happened to him.

Does the justice system work like that? Do they convict faceless entities for "some stuff" that happened to somebody else whose story you read about on the internet?

He says this is KILLING people and people with thick skin could NOT live with it.... yet you're claiming it's rational for victims to hide their stories for fear they might be bullied on the internet.

How can you not see the contradiction here? Won't expose themselves in a public forum, but your life is ruined? I think not.

7
PeaceFrog

Mr. John Lucier,

     If your going to write about other people's activities you should at least know what the fcuk your writing about. The lawsuit your talking about is a F.O.I.A. suit demanding records on what the government knows about gang stalking and flash mobbing activities. It has nothing to do with "demanding action for crime victims" it merely seeks records under the F.O.I.A.

     

6
PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     Why do many victims never speak publicly about their stories like rape victims, Holocaust survivors, victims of pedophiles, etc. There are as many reasons for a victim of traumatic crime to not tell their story as their are victims of traumatic crime. Why aren't you bullying them? All of them have had their lives seriously impacted and sometimes ruined.

     Also, why would any victim lay their story bare to the likes of you who states that "I'll take them apart one story at a time". Would a concentration camp survivor tell their story to such a Gestapo figure?

1
Liz Blandra

"The fact of the matter is Keith Labella has been filing lawsuits in federal court demanding action regarding crimes against individuals he claims are happening to him as well, but he can't describe any of the details of any crimes that happened to him."  -batvette............................  The previous comment is a case in point -- I don't have to search far and wide, nor do I have the time or inclination to "pour over your stories."  To other readers: Please refer to PeaceFrog's next comment about the nature of the case that is currently pending.  Suffice it to say, it is not as Jon Lucier ("batvette") paints it.

1
Liz Blandra

What follows is the comment to which I was referring:.........PeaceFrog at 15:24 on November 18th, 2011 Mr. John Lucier, If your going to write about other people's activities you should at least know what the fcuk your writing about. The lawsuit your talking about is a F.O.I.A. suit demanding records on what the government knows about gang stalking and flash mobbing activities. It has nothing to do with "demanding action for crime victims" it merely seeks records under the F.O.I.A.

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PeaceFrog

     THOSE  STATEMENT ALL REPRESENT YOUR COMMENTS AS YOU CLEARLY STATED THEM IN MY ARTICLES FOR ALL VIEWERS TO READ FOR THEMSELVES. NOT ONE IS MISREPRESENTED.

      "ANCHORING" IS THE TECHNIQUE USED AS PART OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL SENSITIZATION KNOWN TO ALL LEGITIMATE TI'S. YOU DISMISS PSYCHOLOGICAL SENSITIZATION AND ANCHORING BY DISMISSING ACCOUNTS OF IT. THE REASON YOU DON'T USE THE TERMS IS THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO ACCURATELY DESCRIBE WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DISMISS. ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS DISCREDITING GANG STALKING TECHNIQUES RELY ON REDUCTIONISST OVERSIMPLIFICATION AND SELECTIVE MISREPRESENTATION.

1
PeaceFrog

THOSE  STATEMENT ALL REPRESENT YOUR COMMENTS AS YOU CLEARLY STATED THEM IN MY ARTICLES FOR ALL VIEWERS TO READ FOR THEMSELVES. NOT ONE IS MISREPRESENTED.

      "ANCHORING" IS THE TECHNIQUE USED AS PART OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL SENSITIZATION KNOWN TO ALL LEGITIMATE TI'S. YOU DISMISS PSYCHOLOGICAL SENSITIZATION AND ANCHORING BY DISMISSING ACCOUNTS OF IT. THE REASON YOU DON'T USE THE TERMS IS THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO ACCURATELY DESCRIBE WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DISMISS. ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS DISCREDITING GANG STALKING TECHNIQUES RELY ON REDUCTIONISST OVERSIMPLIFICATION AND SELECTIVE MISREPRESENTATION.



Continue reading at NowPublic.com: How Widespread Is Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking#ixzz1e4mb0em8

 

 

 

0
Liz Blandra

Batvette stated, "Despite your continued campaign to turn all TI's against me", (referring to PeaceFrog).   "Turn all TIs against you?"  Kiddo, you're doing a fine job of it all by your lonesome.

0
PeaceFrog

Batvette's comments on this article:

04:22 on November 15th, 2011

I'll discredit one life story at a time if need be.

Where is yours?

05:22 on November 18th, 2011

Guzzino comes off like a whiney little s h i t in that video

Batvette’s comments on the Shia LeBeouf article:

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/shia-labeouf-being-gang-stalked?page=1

at 14:32 on October 23rd, 2011

So we're supposed to focus on who is doing something that we're claiming is happening but probably 90% of it is not at all, and anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 of the people reporting it are actually delusional

Batvette’s comments on the Wikipedia article:

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/why-wikipedia-censoring-mainstream-news-about-gang-stalking

at 15:47 on October 17th, 2011

the bigger point you are missing is these tidbits you are grasping like they are the holy grail have to be weighed by even the objective viewer against the vast concensus of media pieces that have gone before it declaring this to be a group delusion which has grown greater with the internet.

Do you think these media pieces have been entirely wrong to conclude this?

at 19:32 on October 17th, 2011

failed strategy of "strength in numbers" and "we gotta educate the public about people ruining our lives by clicking pens, talking on cell  phones and whispering rumours about us everywhere we go" has only led to a situation where the numbers of real TI's are dwarfed by the delusional.

 
Batvette’s comments on first Gunderson article

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-former-fbi-division-chief-speaks-out

at 21:48 on January 10th, 2011

What is it about "OS" that has destroyed your life? Clicking pens? You think people whisper behind your back wherever you go? Everyone wears red or blue one day and that torments you? You maybe get followed around wherever you go? Life's "little breaks" all add up to a grand conspiracy against you? People stand in front of something you want to buy in the store? Dozens of cars surround you on the freeway, and a program put them there to do that?

There is NOTHING in the OS tactics list a person with thick skin could not easily live with.

NEED I SAY MORE. THIS SAMPLING OF YOUR HATEFUL COMMENTS BELITTLING GANG STALKING VICTIMS AND MAKING LIGHT OF GANG STALKING PROVES YOU ARE A LIAR, FRAUD AND FAKE TI!
 

 

 

2
Scrivener

Community policing in America IS gangstalking, and public safety officers are the team leaders -- and your slick faux-sympathic military contractor taxpayer-funded propaganda campaign can't hide that fact. 

LAW ENFORCEMENT IN AMERICA -- EVERY POLICE DEPARTMENT, EVERY FEDERAL AGENCY -- HAS BEEN CORRUPTED BY THIS MULTI-AGENCY/COMMAND FUSION CENTER- BASED GESTAPO MECHANISM.

Which agencies and commands sit at the head of the table of this extrajudicial persecution matrix?  Apparently, that's a military intelligence state secret, and it would be of no service to speculate.

http://nowpublic.com/world/thugocracy-u-s-fed-police-vigilantes-persecute-citizen-targets

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-runs-gang-stalking-vigilantism-says-ex-fbi-official

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwave-weapon

0
Scrivener

LEVITTOWN PA WAL-MART RINGS UP TORMENT FOR GANGSTALKED JOURNALIST

http://nowpublic.com/world/levittown-pa-walmart-rings-torment-gang-stalked-journalist

0
Elizabeth Blandra

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0
Elizabeth Blandra

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0
Elizabeth Blandra

I mentioned Kristallnacht, in my first comment, primarily because of the the timing of this article, but you are correct when you say that, with "gang stalking", America is "slouching toward Stasiland."  In light of the worthy attempt to quantify the "gang stalking" operation, nationwide, I found the data in the following article to be useful.-- ----------------------------------------------my.telegraph.co.uk/riteman/riteway/16308672/stasi-worse-than-the-gestapo/-------------"When the East German regime collapsed the Stasi had 102,000 full-time officers. Between 1950 and 1989 274.000 persons served in the Stasi. There activities included torture blackmail killing spying watching people in their workplace homes and churches the handling of informers the destruction of careers and relationships."------- “The Stasi was much worse than the Gestapo if you consider the oppression of it’s own people” according to Simon Wiesenthal the Austrian Jewish Nazi hunter. The Gestapo had 40,000 officials watching a country of 80 million. The Stasi employed 102,000 to control only a population of 17 million. The Gestapo had one officer for 2,000 people the Stasi one secret policeman for every 66 citizens.------------------------------------------------So, with a current population of 308,745,538, to be exact, which I'll round to 309 million, and using the numbers employed by the Stasi, the number of individuals needed to control the current U.S. population would be approximately 1,854, 000... -- so a number that's a couple of hundred thousand shy of 2 million, if my calculations are correct...... So, your numbers seem to be right on the mark. 

0
batvette

Isn't it true that:

(a) even before the wall fell, the existence of the Stasi and what it was doing was not a big secret at all, some of its participants talked about it and the knowledge of it was even used to further control the population. This was in a closed, oppressed, society. So in America with first amendment rights we have 1 to 2 million participants in a program and not one has come forward to admit their complicity in it. Not one.

(b) nothing the stasi did had any resemblence to things like "psychological sensitization" or "flash mobbing" or the bulk of trivial things many associate with "gang stalking" but were things with an actual purpose and function toward maintaining the oppressive political system. Watching people's activities, opening their mail to see what they were saying, etc. People were rewarded for being spies or had hurdles for being dissidents, but it would not serve anyone's interests to have anyone but a real traitor institutionalized for an imaginary mental illness because the state would lose a productive worker and also have to pay for his institutionalization.

(c) the bulk of these trivial activities reported as "gangstalking" do actually closely resemble the observations of a person who could be suffering from a mental condition, and unless they were "educated" that these normally occurring events added up to a program conspiring against them, rational normal people would never even notice them- let alone find cause to be ruined or (JOKE) commit mass murders or suicide?

Given that undeniable truth, how is  it such a program could have ever gotten off the ground? Wouldn't it have taken someone educating others it added up to be a conspiracy/program? Yet he couldn't have put the puzzle together in the first place, so how did these lists of reported "tactics" originate?

I could go on, but think of it. 2 million people and not ONE has talked. Is it because they are just plain bad? Just not bad enough to make a substantial sum for selling out their own and taking it to a supermarket tabloid?

Here is a relevant statistic: About 1.1% of the US population suffers from schizophrenia to some degree. At least 25% of the homeless population suffers from a serious mental illness, schizophrenics and people with bi-polar disorder comprise many in that catagory.

Many of these afflictions are successfully treatable. How would they be helped by guiding them away from actual professional help and instead toward wrongly believing they were victims of something inflated in scope and led to believe everyone around them was out to ruin them?

Isn't that really cruel?

4
PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     Again, your own comment unmasks you as a Liar and Fraud who pretends to be a "gang stalking target" in long-winded articles and comments, and then goes on to discredit gang stalking victims life stories and deny the very existence of the gang stalking Program.

     You are a Hypocrite and you are on the losing side of history.

9
PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     Where are the accounts of the countless millions involved as tools for the Stasi or FBI's COINTELPRO who came foward to tell their stories?

     What would they sound like?

     I was a hall monitor in a building in East Germany and spied on my suspected dissident neighbors!

     I worked as an employer/neighbor/friend/intimate of Citizen X, a suspected member of the American Communist Party for twenty years, employing gaslighting techniques, helping to gather a huge file of information on him, until he jumped out of a window in broad daylight!

     Yeah, history is filled with the brave accounts of the citizen-spy employing such tactics!

4
brr...vette

Isn't it true that:

(a) Most targets are mentally healthy people, and false rumors have been spread by authorities that the targets are mentally deranged? Targets are therefore prisoners of a "program" whose ground troops consider the targets to be mentally ill.

(b) That the same tactic of falsely labeling so-called "dissidents" as schizophrenic been used against "dissidents" by every government that ever existed?

(c) That the reason for the "psychological sensitization" is to "break down" targets in order to make it easier to program targets with what the authorities want them to believe?

(d) The reason that you believe "no one has talked" is because they believe as you do, that these things are not part of a punitive system. But the fact of the matter is that multitudes of people have talked about the unsavory aspects of the "gang stalking program".

Isn't it true that gang stalking is a cruel and sadistic "program" that helps nobody, and has hurt scores of people?

0
batvette

nobody can spread rumours about you that you're crazy and have them mean anything unless you really are.

that whole thing about "oh they're spreading rumours about me" definately falls into the stupid shyte catagory and is in fact hinting at suffering from persecutory delusions. Such people place their vanity above all else and think everyone's out to get them.

If I found out my friends had been told by perfect strangers some rumor like that and believed it then treated me like crap, guess what? They weren't my friend, ever. Sorry I'm speaking "sane-ish", and those of you more willing to believe everyone's whispering about you before and after you leave a room my find it greek.

dissidents? what did you or just about every TI who thinks that way ever do of political significance? usually they tell about how they've become an activist against GS.

Stupid shyte. Check.

break down targets. program targets.

does not compute. how about "only crazy people attempt to establish patterns in mundane events"

not me. example Richard the current resident nutter at FFCHS claims horns of trains going through his town late at night are for him.

Why shouldn't everyone else in town hear them too? He's the only one asleep?

Or how about a TI who believes the program puts people in cars with a certain sequence of digits on their plates that only mean something to her, obscure at that, and have them drive by her hoping she'd notice? 

I dare anyone to tell me that's not crazy.

finally multitudes of people have said what? You have any participants come forward?

My position is that people in communities DO have volunteers reporting things, sometimes for some compensation, to the DOJ/DHS. They would be visible if you really looked for them. A friend recently told me he has a neighbor getting paid to "keep a lookout" for stuff going on in his neighborhood.

I believe this gangstalking thing is nothing but paranoid delusional people, who saw some of these things and thanks to fellow paranoid delusional people setting up websites "educating" people with absurd impossible "tactics" they walk around terrorizing themselves all day. Those few DHS/DOJ snitches probably already knew them as borderline mental cases and give them dirty looks or smirks because they don't want nutters around them. They are probably reading all the stupid crap Peacefrog and others spread like so much cow manure on the internet and loving it.

It's magnifying their effectiveness with every dumb article Peacefrog publishes about flash mobbing and mass murders.

There is a technology being used. I don't know what it is. I don't know what part of the program is being used on me. I know I was mislead in the beginnning by stupid people "educating me" about "tactics", and I started believing it was really happening. I was for the most part terrorizing myself, all so some nutter could give himself therapy by salvaging his vanity, trying to convince friends and family he wasn't crazy at all.

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PeaceFrog

Batvette writes,

There is a technology being used. I don't know what it is. I don't know what part of the program is being used on me. I know I was mislead in the beginnning by stupid people "educating me" about "tactics", and I started believing it was really happening.

     So now self-proclaimed "gang stalking vitim" Batvette claims that he is the victim of websites and books describing gang stalking such as gangstalkingworld.com, David Lawson, multistalkervictims.com,etc.

     If that is the case, what is your AGENDA here continuously making painstakingly long comments and arguments? If you believe you are dealing with nutters, why bother? Is it your job to be a DISINFORMATION AGENT? I don't see any other explanation.

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