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How Widespread Is Gang Stalking?
“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face
with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
J. Edgar Hoover on COINTELPRO
There have been books, articles, blogs, commentary, Youtube videos, etc., detailing what victims call gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques. To my knowledge, there has not been any attempt to quantify gang stalking in the U.S. in terms of the total number of participants. By participants, I mean gang stalking victims, members of gang stalking groups, flash mobs involved in community mobbing of gang stalking victims, and, persons and entities who play a peripheral role in related workplace mobbing and systematic isolation of the gang stalking target.
Once caught in the web of the gang stalking Program, a target is subject to a full court press that invades every aspect of their life and is calculated to destroy that person. The process is highly formulaic programmatic, systematic and systemic. Key to the destruction of a gang stalking target is a full penetration and infiltration of their environs, including their constant surveillance and harassment in their home, workplace/school mobbing of the target, and target's isolation from friends and family members. This is done in a highly formulaic, programmatic, systematic and systemic manner. This article seeks to extrapolate, largely from circumstantial evidence, how large the gang stalking Program is in terms of persons and entities involved. This article will also look at gang stalking activities and related funding issues to assess who is ultimately behind the funding and control of the gang stalking Program.
The starting point is the assessment of the number of victims of the gang stalking Program. The author made a FOIA request to DOJ after their release of Stalking Victimization in the United States, in January of 2009. In that FOIA request, the author asked DOJ how many victims of 3 or more stalkers were reporting that the multiple stalkers were acting in concert as a team or group. The author received a response showing, that according to DOJ statistics, 185,050 persons in the U.S. were being stalked by teams or groups of between "3" and "50" stalkers. See links:
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf
http://www.osnanaimo.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf
The author previously wrote an article in which he pointed out flaws in the methodology used in the Stalking Report that resulted in an under-reporting of the number of gang stalking victims, and argued that an accurate number was at least 350,000. See link:
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-new-doj-foia-documents-prove-doj-knows-truth
In any event, this article will be using the range of 185,000 to 350,000 gang stalking Program victims in assessing the parameters of the Program in terms of persons involved in the Program. We will also consider gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques as widely and uniformly reported in various articles, blogs, books, commentary, the Urban Dictionary, etc., on the subject, to quantify the number of persons involved in the gang stalking Program from features of the Program widely and uniformly reported in the numerous accounts of the Program in articles, blogs, etc.
The first element of the gang stalking Program we will analyze is the constant surveillance and related harassment of the gang stalking victim 24/7/365 as is a widely and uniformly reported feature of the Program. From what is being reported, in terms of surveillance and related harassment, at least one member of a gang stalking group has to be surveilling a gang stalking target at all times. This means that at least one person is involved in surveilling the gang stalking victim 168 hours a week. This means that approximately 4 full-time jobs are involved in the constant surveillance of a single gang stalking Program victim. Since gang stalking victims are subject to harassment, conspicuous surveillance, flash mobbing, street theatre and related tactics everywhere they go, inside and outside their community, there are additional gang stalking group members involved in the illegal surveillance and related harassment of gang stalking victims in the community. Clearly, these groups multi-task surveillance and harassment activities against multiple gang stalking Program targets in a given community in which the respective gang stalking group operates. It is safe to say that at least a handful of gang stalking group members are needed to illegally surveill and harass a Program victim as they travel within and outside their communities. It is also clear that gang stalking groups multi-task and harass numerous targets that travel in and through a given community in which the particular gang stalking group operates. It is also conservative to estimate that at least one or two gang stalking members per target are involved in coordinating gang stalking activities against targets of the Program when said targets are "on the move" in addition to the bare minimum of 4 gang stalking group members needed to keep the Program target under constant surveillance. This equates to a total of 5 or 6 gang stalking group members per gang stalking target at minimum. If we take the conservative estimate of 5.5 gang stalking group members per target and apply it to our range of 185,000 to 350,000 we get about 1 million to 2 million gang stalking group members.
The gang stalking group members are drawn heavily from the Penal System under the guidance of the Department of Homeland Security. One victim, who is an ex-con, tried to post the following on the Wikipedia page on Stalking by Groups:
"Mostly the groups are x-cons or convicts released early out of jail or prison to join this program were to monitor and or track innocent people and report anything so they will end up in jail or even worse be assassinated by the group if the head agent in charge gives them a green lite on the persons life which means to kill them. I am a victim of this and not only my life but my children's lives are in danger because i am well aware of every thing they have done to me over the years."
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It is important to note that the 1 million to 2 million estimate of gang stalking group members is an estimate of the people coordinating the illegal surveillance and harassment against targets as part of a territorial, hierarchical group with a defined membership. This estimate does not include non-members who are loosely affiliated and join in on the gang stalking activities, such as flash mobbing and street theatre, on a semi-permanent or ad hoc basis. These semi-permanent members range from neighbors and community groups coerced, or misled by a slander campaign against the gang stalking target, into participation in the the Program, to vagrant types given a few bucks to participate. Most of the storefront businesses, community groups and many of the neighbors involved in the Program are not members of gang stalking groups, but, will harass and mistreat the gang stalking target because of coercion used against them by the gang stalking groups, or, because they buy into a slander campaign villifying the Program target as deserving of such treatment. Gang stalking Program targets represent a fraction of a percent of the communities they live in. The neighbors, storefront businesses, community groups coerced and/or misled into involvement in the gang stalking Program nationwide represent additional millions of participants in the Program.
In order to destroy the target, an infiltration of every aspect of that target's life is performed. This means that not only are neighbors and neighborhood businesses recruited to participate, but, that employers, friends and family members are turned against the target. This involves workplace mobbing at each workplace the Program target works. This also means that friends, associates, co-workers and blood relatives are subject to coercion and slander campaigns against the target. This requires the Program to reach dozens of individuals per target.
Most of the above-mentioned categories of people,to wit, neighbors, neighborhood groups, businesses, employers, friends, relatives, etc., are not gang stalking group members. Rather, these participantss, who are far more numerous than the 1 to 2 million gang stalking group members nationwide, participate in the Program because they are either coereced and/or misled by slander campaigns against the Program target. Gang stalking victims quickly realize that friends, co-workers, and even intimates are really "frenemies" looking to undermine them. Some of these frenemies are emotionally unstable, psychologically draining individuals with dysthymic disorder. More importantly, some of these frenemies are likely to have been placed on the gang stalking victim even before the active phase of gang stalking began. These frenemies are chosen because they are psychologically weak and some digging will reveal other questionable relationships in which these same frenemy tools have been placed on other gang stalking victims. Again, this happens to mirror the law enforcement practice of placing a "bad jacket" on a mark. Certain employers are gang stalking mills, intentionally hiring Program targets for workplace mobbing and constructive termination because their owners are particularly vulnerable to blackmail and other coercive tactics.
Below is a a link to the testimony of a gang stalker explaining "the syndicate" and its operations, funding, lingo, interactions with civil institutions, etc. The gang stalker describes a coercion daisy chain in which he too is at the mercy of the mob and would have to sacrifice his wife and family if ordered to by "higher ups". Of course, anyone weak-minded enough to follow this Program is blind to the wider implications of social engineering and political control technology imposed by the criminalized intelligence services using him as a tool of structural political oppression against the wider public. The public is ultimately seen as the enemy by the power elite and their well fed and trained dogs in the intelligence and security apparatus:
http://gangstalkingsurfers.wordpress.com/confessions-of-a-gang-stalker-aka-life-in-the-syndicate/
All gang stalking targets experience an updated and refined version of McCarthy era blacklisting. This involves being hired, then, soon after, being subject to a hostile work environment, resulting in actual or constructive termination. Because of the sheer number of employers involved in this nefarious practice against gang stalking targets, as well as the fact that employers ranging from small businesses to large multinationals are involved, this neo-blacklisting can only be being orchestrated by the FBI, as was the case with McCarthyism. Unlike McCarthyism, neo-blacklisting, with its use of a hostile wok environment leading to actual or constructive termination, is not subject to the inference that a blacklisted target is being subject to defamation leading to un-employability, because they are indeed hired, then promptly set up for failure. Gang stalking targets’ “employment problems” start at the same time as their gang stalking starts. Most gang stalking targets, similar to victims of workplace mobbing, are actually better than average workers in their occupations.
All gang stalking targets experience workplace mobbing and academic mobbing. Ken Westhues, Sociology Professor Emeritus at University of Waterloo, Canada, writes about the causal link between academic and workplace mobbing and the rash of mass shootings:
"Most of the people who go postal, however, in academic as in other workplaces, have been mobbed there in preceding months or years."
http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/vtmassacre.htm
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/academic-study-links-mass-shootings-community-mobbing
The term "community mobbing" is a defined term of art in the field of Sociology. Community mobbing is the systematic use of bullying, rumor, innuendo, intimidation, humiliation, discrediting isolation, and general harassment in which the group ("mob") attacks a targeted individual:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing
Academic studies have shown that mobbing has severe health consequences:
In mobbing targets with PTSD, Leymann notes that the "mental effects were fully comparable with PTSD from war or prison camp experiences. Some patients may develop alcoholism or other substance abuse disorders. Family relationships routinely suffer. Some targets may even develop brief psychotic episodes, generally with paranoid symptoms. Leymann estimated that 15% of suicides in Sweden could be directly attributed to workplace mobbing.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing#Mobbing_in_the_workplace
Calgary Professor Hugo A. Meynell has publicly compared workplace mobbing to ethnic cleansing, and, has described the workplace mobbing victim as "a little holocaust" happening daily in our civilized workplaces:
http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/meynell-hh.htm
This country has now entered a phase of false "Democratism". This is an illusion of a two party system in which a plutocracy runs a right wing totalitarian state and hollows out any semblance of constitutional due process. The First, Second, and Fourth Amendments are particularly under siege. It appears that the operation of the American Red Guard/ American Stasi is meeting armed resistance. The mass shooting "epidemic" in America is a result of the occupation of the lives of gang stalking targets by the fascist operatus implemented against them by their government. Unlike the former U.S.S.R., Red China, Nazi Germany, etc., the widespread ownership of guns in civilian hands in America is at odds with the de facto national Gestapo system known as gang stalking. Ironically, as Wikileaks represented the example par excellence of a First Amendment insurgency against a proto-fascist America, so too, the mass shootings, however misguided the chosen targets, represent a Second Amendment revolt against fascist tyranny.
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310
The gang stalking Program is highly systematic, programmatic and systemic. Information about it dispensed to participants outside the gang stalking groups themselves is disinformational, misinformational and largely compartmentalized or "stovepiped". The total amount of Program participants, as described herein, can easily exceed 100 to every 1 gang stalking Program target. This means that 10% of the U.S. population may be participating in the gang stalking Program, most only having a vague notion of the larger Program called gang stalking by its victims. These numbers are consistent with the civil population involvement with the intelligence communities in former Eastern Bloc. It is noteworthy that the author has multiple sources stating that middle aged persons from the former Eastern Bloc, who are not even fluent in English, are participating in the gang stalking Program in the U.S., as if they imported the techniques directly from Eastern Europe. Similarly, the urban storefront businesses in this country are often run by immigrants originating from third world police states where noncompliance with authority is regularly met by brutal state reaction (disappearances, murder, rape, beatings, etc). This prior social conditioning of recent immigrants makes it easy work for the big city American police departments who run the gang stalking Program for the Feds to incorporate them into the Program.
Community-based policing, similar to gang stalking, is today, and has been for decades, the preferred tool of third-world societal control. A good example of this is Syria, where 20 percent of the population is working for the intelligence agencies. See: "When 20 per cent of the population is rumored to be in the intelligence service, it is no wonder, many prefer to keep their voices down in the light of day. But within a crowd, that fear is temporarily forgotten." Link to full story:
http://rt.com/news/intelligence-violence-security-fear-243/
In the U.S., the use of a growing percentage of the population in national "neighborhood watch Programs" has been instrumental in building a Stasi-like citizen spy network:
In 1981, national data showed that 12 percent of the population was involved in some type of neighborhood watch group (O'Keefe and Mendelsohn, 1984). By 1988, it was estimated that between seven and 20 percent of residents of U.S. cities were involved in such activities (Rosenbaum, 1988). A national study (Whitaker, 1986) showed that 38 percent of households in neighborhoods that had a Neighborhood Watch program participated in the program. This study concluded that urban areas were more likely to have programs than suburban or rural areas, but that people living in the latter were likely to be involved in a program if one was organized.
full link:
http://www.usaonwatch.org/about/neighborhoodwatch.aspx?
This community policing model whether based on former Eastern Bloc countries, Syria, or gang stalking in the U.S., requires the deputizing, and putting on the payroll, a large swathe of the criminal element.
What is also common about all community policing models, including gang stalking in America, is that only the government has the money to fund them. Neighbors moving into housing units surrounding a Program target. Gang stalking perps with no job or means driving around in new model trucks. Gang stalking is happening not only in big cities but in rural areas and every demographic in between. One can find reports of it happening in every state, every county, every city, and almost every town in America. We are talking about Billions of dollars in funding here. All segments of the social order are co-opted into the Program. Targets will experience harassment, such as street theate and mobbing, by vagrants, others on the welfare rolls, city workers, etc. The total societal penetration reaches into their doctors offices, employers, neighbors, etc., right out of the former Eastern Bloc playbook.
Some argue that narcotics and other rackets fund gang stalking which, unlike every other racket, has no self-funding mechanism. The problem with this explanation is that because of criminal defense legal fees, civil forfeiture, mandatory victim compensation laws, etc., it is increasingly the case that racketeering wealth is less likely to be passed on generationally than it is to be confiscated and appropriated by the state.
"Gang stalking groups" have a substantially identical modus operandi to the FBI's Special Surveillance Groups or "SSG's". These SSG's were developed in the 1970's to combat Soviet espionage. Today, these tactics have been taught to criminals, through FBI channels, for domestic COINTELPRO operations against American citizens. Anyone familiar with gang stalking will immediately understand the striking similarity by reviewing the following NPR links on SSG's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P0UibgHIZg
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92207687
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/surveillance/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Surveillance_Group
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Spying_on_spy_Raw_Story_interviews_0612.html
Yale Psychologist Stanley Milgram's "small world" experiment concluded that about 1 in 6 people were sufficient to link to every member of a population (this later became the "six degrees of separation" principle). The 1 million to 2 million estimate for gang stalking group members is sufficient to explain the manpower needed to coordinate constant fixed and mobile surveillance against gang stalking vicitims numbering in the hundreds of thousands. The number of people needed to explain the highly consistent gang stalking accounts of hundreds of thousands of Program victims nationwide is exponentially higher.
The FBI and local police "red squad" units (Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) are not performing th grunt work of illegal surveillance and harassment of gang stalking targets. Rather, Snitches are being used to do the "community policing" and legwork for related COINTELPRO activities. These Snitches are essentially slave labor for law enforcement. The same model was used as the "Ghetto cop" by Nazis, and the "proletariat" citizen spy by the Communists. This country has a history of using criminal labor for social engineering campaigns. Ward Churchill documented the cultural Genocide of the American Indian as late as the 1980's. This was accomplished through sending Native American children to government "assimilation" camps run by criminals to separate them from their families and culture. The resulting beatings, rapes and other deprivations suffered as a result of this "assimilation" led to some of the highest unemployment, alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, etc., rates of any racial/ethnic demographic in American history. All the above is consistent with the trend of delegating much of "police work" to deputized criminal subagents. A great example is the statistic that 50% of federal narcotics cases are made through criminal informants; See link:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Snit
Key to understanding the nefarious snitch system is not only recognizing the sheer number of snitches, but also understanding the concept of the police creating the "snitch for life". Deferred prosecution/deferred sentencing agreements give police at all levels of government the option of giving felons facing long-term or life sentences an indefinite deferment as long as they keep snitching. These agreements can be more or less formal, but, always entail continued deferment of punishment while the criminal continues cooperation with authorities through the voluntary waiver of the statute of limitations. Most people, including criminals, do not know that the statute of limitations (usually 5 years for federal felonies) can and is commonly waived by cooperating criminals. This means that career or part-time criminals, facing sentencing, for example, under Rockefeller drug laws, can become long-term assets informing for decades. They can operate and inform under changing scenarios as their employers, friends and associates change over time. The policy question here is, does the informant trading liability by shifting it to other criminals provide a "public service" by doing so? Can we consider this self-interested criminals information or testimony as being disinterested as in the case of a disinterested citizen witness? Hardly, I'd say.
The FBI can orchestrate gang stalking with little or no overt presence. This was how COINTELPRO was designed. Through infiltration and the cultivation of snitches, the FBI ferments division within targeted groups, such as organized crime. The desired result is increasing the factionalizing or splitting within targeted groups, and, between targeted groups, resulting in the self destruction and mutual destruction of FBI targeted groups. This is achieved with little or no traces of direct FBI activity within these groups. Essentially, the most effective thing about COINTELPRO, is psychological manipulation of the targeted groups' members.
In the case of "generational victims", entire families are targeted by the Program for multiple generations. A key to understanding this is comprehending that systematic and systemic coercion will be used against both members of the nuclear and extended targeted family. Machiavellian "splitting" techniques as well as organized crime-style methods will be used to divide and destroy the targeted family. It is important to note that only a minority of these targeted families' members will experience full blown gang stalking (street theatre, flash mobbing, slander campaigns, intimate infiltration, employment sabotage, 24/7/365 surveillance and harassment, etc.). Some blogs and commentators write about a "preconditioning phase" before the onset of full blown gang stalking. During this preconditioning phase, the prospective future gang stalking victim is exposed to public rudeness, rudeness by employers, etc., to start breaking them down psychologically. The methods used during preconditioning to gang stalking are similar to predatory methods of cult abuse and MKULTRA-type abuse. Generational victims family members would all undergo the preconditioning phase of gang stalking, while only a minority of family members will proceed to full blown gang stalking. Ironically, the resilient, anti-authoritarian types will be of greater risk of becoming full blown gang stalking victims. The personalities of prospective gang stalking victims will be heavily profiled and any exploitable weaknesses duly noted during the preconditioning phase.
The Leninist concept of organizing a "controlled opposition" is central to the gang stalking Program's cover-up. The FBI's use of controlled opposition (phony government operatives and groups posing as opposition) in COINTELPRO is well documented. Ward Churchill writes about this in the context of AIM, the KKK and other groups subjected to COINTELPRO in The COINTELPRO Papers linked below (this book is a must read for anyone who wants to understand COINTELPRO):
http://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/Cointelpro_Papers.pdf
The controlled opposition, which has its origins in Lenin's Soviet Union, and, Mao's Red Guard, is clearly at play in the gang stalking Program:
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.'"
Vladimir Lenin (the FBI has learned Lenin's teachings well).
To give a historical analogue to gang stalking , the below linked film, Stasiland, examines the East German surveillance society that is considered the gold standard for the modern police state:
http://www.youtube.com/user/phrygian20?blend=22&ob=5#p/u/0/HClXxgCPAjY
An excellent overview of the criminalization of American intelligence agencies is given by former N.O.C. MI-6 agent Christopher Story in his book New Underworld Order :
http://www.thinkorbeeaten.com/theknoll/rr/The_New_Underworld_Order%20-%20Christopher_Story.pdf
Pay specific attention to Chapter 8, at p. 529, et. seq. Story's partial biography is found on his Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Story
Retired Sheriff Richard Mack on the oath to the Constitution versus federal tyranny and cronyism:
http://www.nullifynow.com/2012/02/richard-mack-the-untouchable-bill-of-rights/
Furthermore, upon information and belief, the author herein believes that the following mass murders are likely related to the "gang stalking" Program:
James E. Holmes
Terence Tyler
One L. Goh
Scott Dekraai
John Turner
Yvonne Hiller
Amy Bishop
Shareef Allman
Jiverly Wong
Cho Seung-Hui
Ross Truett Ashley (visited same gun range as Cho Seung-Hui)
Abdo Ibssa
Nidal Malik Hassan
Jared Loughner
Christopher Nathen Elliot Travis
T.J. Lane
Andrew J. Engeldinger
Lawrence Jones
Raulie Wayne Casteel
Jacob Tyler Roberts
Jeffrey Lee Michael
Adam Lanza
William H. Spengler, Jr.
Bryan Oliver
Nehemiah Griego
Arthur Douglas Harmon
Christopher Jordan Dorner
Nahn Lap Tran
Ali Syed
Kurt R. Myers
James Oliver Seevakumaran
Dylan Quick
Neil MacInnis
See Appendix of link below:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/counterterrorism/ActiveShooter2012Edition.pdf
Note that the author is not claiming definitive proof of gang stalking in each case, but rather, indicia of gang stalking in each case. Moreover, the author is not claiming to know whether other incidents of mass violence relate back to the "gang stalking" Program, but he suspects there are other such incidents.
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Why is Wikipedia Censoring Mainstream News about Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/why-wikipedia-censoring-mainstream-news-about-gang-stalking#ixzz1gGhM9yPz

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anon one (not verified)at 10:59 on December 14th, 2011
Well, batvette, this isn't your average "crime." In this case, when victims relate their stories, they are labeled "delusional." This is not the place to tell one's story. Look where all the "story telling" has gotten victims, thus far? (And, by the by, one of the first rules of triage in mental health is to ask the question "do others see the patient in the same way that that the patient sees him or herself? We'll just let it go at that.)
at 19:43 on December 14th, 2011
There are plenty of resources to deposit one's account of their targeting where no such liability exist, I recorded mine both here and in the FFCHS message board on several ocaisions. Sounds to me that if you're in a position for anyone with any authority to label you as delusional then that is a seperate issue you already had to deal with.
F u c k this. It's bull s h i t. What in God's name do you expect anyone to do about alleged crimes you'd be filing lawsuits over if not one person was willing to name names, identify faces, document times and places of actual occurances?
"yeah, we'd like you to pass some laws to make some stuff by someone illegal but we can't say what, it's like what that guy there is talking about, sorta, but hey, me too!"
It's completely absurd that's what it is because many of us have NOT been afraid to describe EXACTLY what we experience in our lives and in the end if it turned out the whole thing was my own insanity well than so be it I would accept that explanation and take the appropriate steps to improve my life. (note I have made numerous disclaimers in my accounts much of the visual and auditory disturbances could very well be internally originating- however I have had several clear instances of actual physical stalking and after that is when I came forward)
I just want an explanation and a solution, if it's truthful I don't give a damn what label is affixed to me as long as it isn't the one you display of DENIAL.
The fact you are here still attempting to rationalize the refusal of yourself and Peacefrog from ever detailing how this issue affects YOU and are relating your biggest concern is that you would be LABELLED DELUSIONAL is the best possible evidence for my allegations that you are merely just that and seeking a vehicle to protect your vanity with family and friends as well as yourself.
If you are the same person who posted at Areyoutargeted (as anonacom) that first argued with me about your dreams being played back in forward and reverse "like a playstation" and had a few bitter arguments with me, I do recall you related a few details and claimed your targeting amounted to "virtual" targeting by having your dreams "remotely/artificially manipulated". I don't expect you to accept reason or diplomacy from me as both here and there my manner was acidic, but I am a very honest and candid person.
What would be so hard about admitting to yourself you are just different? I've had serious ADHD all my life, it is debilitating in some ways but some who have it are brilliant and have successful careers. I have no qualms about facing what or who I am and I would just advise you that the form of denial you may wish to indulge in is one where you only fool yourself and you may find a lot more credibility and acceptance by those around you by just accepting your faults and working with them.
It is a hell of a lot easier than having to wait for a massive program to be taken down before you can get on with your life, is it not?
(anyone who rejects that last statement and calls me a perp for saying it, 200 mg of clozapine for you!)
Your "question" about triage BTW might be dead on... but would never allow the patient to sit there in silence and not allow anyone's observations to be recorded, would it? That's what you are asking, that your beliefs which form the reality you wish to validate be accepted as real and valid without actually being inspected by anyone. You merely allude to the beliefs of others being enough to do so.
at 20:09 on December 14th, 2011
Batvette writes,
If you are the same person who posted at Areyoutargeted (as anonacom) that first argued with me about your dreams being played back in forward and reverse "like a playstation" and had a few bitter arguments with me, I do recall you related a few details and claimed your targeting amounted to "virtual" targeting by having your dreams "remotely/artificially manipulated". I don't expect you to accept reason or diplomacy from me as both here and there my manner was acidic, but I am a very honest and candid person.Bizarre stories by many at FFCHS about "remote/artificial manipulation" are what caused myself and other targets to turn away from FFCHS. Many of these stories sound either contrived or delusional. By posting your story on an FFCHS message board, you are lumping it with stories of artifical/remote manipulation, satellite attacks, etc. Why don't you just promote Scrivner?
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anomacom (not verified)at 20:20 on January 2nd, 2012
That never happened from me. I am not a member or an associate of that group.
Post your proof of that shit, you perp asshole.
As always, you are still and always "full of shit."
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anonacom (not verified)at 20:41 on January 2nd, 2012
That comment was for the "Batevette poster"
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anonacom (not verified)at 20:37 on January 2nd, 2012
This is to The "PeaceFrog" persona - Your belief that electronic weapons are not real is the message that the ones implementing these torture technics rely on to keep their jobs going, to stop all the supposid "terrorists" that infest our country.
Well, if you are a victim of gangstalking and not a victim of electronic, chemical or biological less than letheal weapons, then you are one lucky piece of shit.
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anon one (not verified)at 14:49 on December 15th, 2011
Why in the world would you make the leap that I'm someone who posted comments to areyoutargeted.com? I have never posted a comment to that site. You're not worth another second of my time.
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anon one (not verified)at 14:51 on December 15th, 2011
Directed to batvette: Why in the world would you make the leap that I'm someone who posted comments to areyoutargeted.com? I have never posted a comment to that site. You're not worth another second of my time.
at 11:24 on December 16th, 2011
LOL, gotta love unintentional irony.... not worth another second of your time and you posted it again... and you're the one pestering me.
But how silly of me to ask if someone posting here as "anon com" might be the same person posting elsewhere as "anonacom".
Why on earth should I make this connection?
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anonacom (not verified)at 21:54 on December 22nd, 2011
Not the same person and you are still full of it.
at 08:50 on December 12th, 2011
ELECTROMAGNETIC TORTURE REPORT Mon Dec 12 @ 10:08am
LOCKHEED MARTIN IN SAVAGE OVERNIGHT PRECISION-TARGETED RADIO FREQ. ASSAULT ON JOURNALIST W/U.S. CELL TOWER DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPON SYSTEM (U.S. Patent 7629918, Raytheon). Awoke to SEVERE ear-ringing, excruciating pain in jaw/gums, vertigo, weakness – TORTURE, IMPAIRMENT, SUBJUGATION – how Lockheed psychopath operatives torture, keep targets under while police-protected community vigilantes home invade, vandalize, terrorize. MORE SIGNS OF SURREPTITIOUS HOME ENTRY. Operatives surveil premises/vehicle 24/7, relay personal information to vigilante stalker goons who repeat private conversations, show up where target is headed, to stalk, torment, even pickpocket, as happened yesterday at Princeton, NJ MarketFair Barnes&Noble. U.S. GOV’T OFFICIALS LORD OVER MIL CONTRACTOR TORTURE, PERSECUTION OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS EXTRAJUDICIALLY TARGETED AS ‘DISSIDENTS,’ UNDESIRABLES – TARGETS OF A SILENT EUGENICS GENOCIDE UNDER GUISE OF WARS ON TERROR AND CRIME. http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwave-weapon http://nowpublic.com/world/thugocracy-u-s-fed-police-vigilantes-persecute-citizen-targetsat 09:45 on December 13th, 2011
The comment that was posted here was not intended for this comments section, but for one on my site at http://NowPublic.com/scrivener Apparently, a military contractor cyber-agent with the power to intercept and manipulate my telecommunications posted the comment here as a malicious stunt. It's not the first time. Perhaps these articles of mine will help explain to the uninitiated:
LOCKHEED MARTIN RUNS INTERNET CENSORSHIP REGIME UNDER USG CONTRACT: JOURNALIST http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-censors-internet-political-speech-fraud-deception http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-uses-spoofed-web-pages-and-urls-censor-internet- Sign In or Join to post comments
numbers (not verified)at 08:07 on December 13th, 2011
I thought that was an interesting article! In the article the expression 'social engineering' is used. I think that you are onto something there. There are many competeing groups in the US. Many of them have social agendas and the following is a list of the most successful:The US government: Rightly so, the US government has a need to engineer a society that is stable and productive. The FBI, and other intelligence agencies have vested interest and goals and plans for creating a stable and productive nation. For those of us that don't fit that plan or seem like a threat or subversive to it, the punishment can be cointelpro.minions administration of justice students, police an military aux groups, citizen groups, old threats and current threats manchurians and fund raising for the military and creating a police state.US needs IsraelThe ADL: They have been in operation nearly as long as the FBI. In fact, the FBI has been social engineering in tandem with the ADL probably for as long. After the civil war there was much confusion on how to create the new democracy and the the ADL had some good answers on how to do social engineering. ADL in academics and research crowd out 'some' in favor of social engineering. (also milgram and murray)ADL spy networkADL affiliated with walstreet, Hollywood and IsraelADL in the govt and militaryADL in creating the manchurian candidatethe minions of the adl
at 11:48 on December 13th, 2011
numbers,
The ADL has also done extensive spying in coordination with San Francisco P.D.:
http://safesf.wordpress.com/background-history/adl-and-sfpd-spying-case-history/
This type of deputizing of activist groups easily lends itself to vigilante activity like gang stalking.
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MachineSmasher (not verified)at 11:49 on December 13th, 2011
You know, we all sit around grousing about various things being brought on by the new social engineers. (Really just the same old fascist authoritarian thugs with more high tech gizmos to torture people with than the previous generations ...) Anyway, it's a slow progression to turn mankind into the anonymous name under whose banner I post my message here. Well, we've been in a rush for about fifty years to automate everything. We automate our food production, our industrial processes, and our office work flow. Everything runs by computers, while we lose the ability to add, subtract, multiply, or use good sense. What has happened is that we have automated our lives - that one thing that we are theoretically supposed to do for real, all by ourselves. Now there is nothing left to do - the computer will live our life for us. The Machine now envelopes all, tracks all, dictates to all of humanity - beings soon to become and majorly already are ... the slaves of the Machine. Gangstalking and the creeping leprosy of technology ensure it. The unibomber had that part right twenty years ago. (He went about fighting it in the wrong way - but he was RIGHT ON THE DIME!)
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From Vigilant Citizen Message Boards (not verified)at 11:06 on December 14th, 2011
vigilantcitizen.com/vcboards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=8199&sid=e9441da6027e77e2cbac2c8153327adc&view=printAuthor: MrHappy [ Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:32 am ] Post subject: Re: Gang stalking (Disturbing stories) I definately beleive it could happen easily, especially if its the government.Even laywers can organise some pretty serious gang stalking.Ive got a client at the moment whos been gang stalked for a year. Had his place broken into, mail constantly stolen, secret information ending up in the hands of lawyers and police. Im doing personal protection for him and in the last week Ive had to get rid of at least 6 people who were def paid people following us and recording us. Some others Im not sure but I scared them off anyway. Author: minskugga [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:01 am ] Post subject: Re: Gang stalking (Disturbing stories) I can't even imagine life like that. I mean, even if no one is stalking these people, they truly believe it's happening and that in itself has to be terrifying. How do you even live life when you think people watch constantly watching you? :/ I would go insane.
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anonymousXX (not verified)at 13:13 on December 14th, 2011
batvette states (and refuses to explain): "First off hearing voices in your head does not mean you have a serious mental illness." You ask others for info, but when asked yourself, you refuse to respond. (You behave like a bully.)
at 18:59 on December 14th, 2011
If you were following the discussion and not just here to troll and pester me you would have noted that my claim is the very foundation of what the hearing voices network is trying to establish. Go to the wiki article on this organization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_Voices_Movement
There, you got what you wanted, did you have a point or did you just want me to own you like a little doggie?
And I'm not behaving like a bully, maybe a deek but I'm not here to make new friends to replace the ones who ran away from my crazy claims about gangstalking- which does seem to be the major activity by "TI'S" seeking "support" on the internet. Call me a bully or a deek, just don't call me wrong unless you have a good argument or evidence.
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anonymously offered (not verified)at 11:00 on December 15th, 2011
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/15/joe-arpaio-arizona-sheriff_n_1151157.html (I'm guessing that the not-so-good Sheriff Arpaio is up to his eyeballs in gang stalking.)
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ForWhatItsWorth (not verified)at 14:20 on December 15th, 2011
DEW is not as effective as they'd have you think. It's in development. It would take a lot of EMF energy, delivered over a long time, to kill. They do set up on our homes and apartments as part of their agenda, with EMF generating equipment, and long term it may make us ill. Short term, it mostly causes fatigue. The contractor thugs who run this thing need results for their DEW - and so they use a catalyst to help things along. Some stalkers, embedded in the population, carry CO2 powered devices that fire a payload of atomized mercury or powdered lead. Sometimes we need to stretch the envelope on what we think versus what we have hard evidence for. This idea - one with only indirect evidence - is one of those creative extrapolations. Both Mercury and Lead have high densities and mass per volume ratios. This makes them a good payload carrier for the CO2 stingers. Over time, the payloads contribute to their overall plan of genocidal homicide for certain classes of people. These elements may carry 'ride along" chemicals in the class of neurotoxins and carcinogens. There is yet another purpose. The metal contamination of the flesh is convenient for micro-heating the small array of lead and mercury atoms - which respond to the DEW by becoming hot. This then puts the DEW ahead of where it really is today. Most of us will eventually find that we are contaminated with these metals. When we die, it will be blamed on 1) teeth amalgam or 2) environmental lead. Quite convenient. I have pretty good evidence that one can get a free phone for going along with the "program". This includes the monthly service charges, and explains why so many poor illegal immigrants have blackberries. That's my 2 cents, for what it's worth
at 09:28 on December 16th, 2011
This exact same comment was posted by my most recent article at NowPublic.com/scrivener. Getting pretty lazy, eh, lame military contractor psyops agents? Guess multiBILLIONS a year are not enough to get you to generate fresh psyops blog-spam effluvia.
Here's my response to this taxpayer-raping psyops, as first posted in response to this lame-a-tude:
Your claim about DEW being "in development" is a psyops BIG LIE. Nothing like mixing in a little fact and a lot of disinformation. The electromagnetic weapon system deployed on cell towers could fry my brain instantly. I credit the good people on the inside for keeping somewhat of a check on the amplitude of these heinous attacks.
How much are you being paid to spread your disinfo? How many MULTIBILLIONS of taxpayer dollars are squandered each year, lining the pockets of your fascist employer? Don't answer -- you may incriminate yourself.
at 07:15 on December 20th, 2011
batvette wrote: "you are only doing the work of 'the program' better than its architects could do themselves"
I talked about voice to skull on the police forum.
They asked me to post no more links.
They locked the discussion and moved it to the "Humour" section.
That proves that they don't want this.
batvette wrote: "people have heard voices for centuries"
Yes, but they were rare, now they are many, so now it's unnatural.
4% of the Dutchmen hear voices:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5346930.stm
I don't support the Hearing Voices Movement.
It promotes very damaging ideas like:
- you have to accept your voices,
- voices are the result of an unresolved conflict,
- you have to talk to your voices.
That's perp bullshit.
It means that you have to take this voice to skull illtreatment for granted until you give the perps what they want.
batvette wrote: "The fact you are here still attempting to rationalize the refusal of yourself and Peacefrog from ever detailing how this issue affects YOU and are relating your biggest concern is that you would be LABELLED DELUSIONAL is the best possible evidence for my allegations that you are merely just that and seeking a vehicle to protect your vanity with family and friends as well as yourself."
No, if he's a lawyer then he has to follow the rules of the order of lawyers.
Then it's logic that he doesn't give you those details.
Because it would be against the dignity of the profession.
And I think that those anonymous posters are indeed different people.
It's not PeaceFrog.
You are wrong about this.
But I understand your situation very well.
I heared stories about Belgians who collaborated with the Germans.
batvette wrote: "you may find a lot more credibility and acceptance by those around you by just accepting your faults and working with them (= psychiatry). It is a hell of a lot easier than having to wait for a massive program to be taken down before you can get on with your life"
This is a very stupid argument.
The faults of the morally handicapped perps are much larger and numerous.
This is like: just take your pill and continue working for a pension you'll never get.
No, I would rather first destroy the perp system and then think about the old age.
The perps seem to be obsessed with giving us pills.
How exactly would the perps benefit from that?
Do they want to sell pills?
Do they want to stigmatize us?
Do they want to make the brainfcuk easier?
What would be the main reason?
at 04:28 on December 22nd, 2011
two questions:
How would you (or anyone) know if the "voices in your head" are "voice to skull" (or some other similar technology, it's highly unlikely to be microwave auditory effect) technology from an outside source or originate internally?
What if a "perp system" as you call it is not the source of your voices?
and if you don't believe in anything the hearing voices movement is doing, why do you so heavily reference them? It seems to me you are implying some association with them to come up with astronomical numbers of people hearing voices but then running with that so say that means all those people's voices are the product of technology.
Seems you were doing thuis with the link you provided from BBC- why do you use that article for referencing 4% but it obviously completely contradicts your position with its other content?
at 09:48 on December 22nd, 2011
First answer:
Doctors can't explain why someone hears voices, but Eleanor White can. So I would rather believe her. The explanation of the doctors is really debile. Read it first. Her explanation is much simpler and straightforward, so her theory is most likely to be true. The Occam's razor that you like to quote is applicable here too.
I see what you do. You want the victims to deliver the impossible proof.
We want first that the problem is acknowledged by the authorities. Then it's their task to investigate and deliver the proof. If someone says that he hears voices, and a psychiatrist wants to say that it's a disease, then the psychiatrist has to prove that it's not voice to skull.
Big difference!
Second answer:
The Hearing Voices Movement is crap, but I like their numbers (4%) and they have the potential to become the Hearing Voice-to-skull Movement
at 09:53 on December 22nd, 2011
What's your opinion:
Google terminates voice
How could my voice disappear just by clicking a button?
Suppose that you click here the Post comment button and your voice disappears.
What is your medical explanation for that?
at 10:42 on December 22nd, 2011
Lockheed Marin censorship regime run under USG contract apparently once again is preventing me from conducting Google searches; slowing down my computer; maliciously manipulating computer functions... all an apparent effort to CENSOR VIA FRAUD AND DECEPTION. The Homeland-military TAKEOVER is proceeding apace, and those who are stealing democracy and personal liberty are taking ever more desperate measures to suppress truth-tellers. LOCKHEED MARTIN RUNS INTERNET CENSORSHIP REGIME UNDER USG CONTRACT: JOURNALIST
http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-censors-internet-political-speech-fraud-deception
NOTE: More malicious HTML code found embedded in this page, intended to sabotage comment/link with "span," nofollow," "div," "wbr" commands interspersed between words. THIS IS FASCIST CENSORSHIP PERFORMED BY LOCKHEED MARTIN UNDER U.S. GOV'T CONTRACTS.
at 09:11 on December 23rd, 2011
I closed my internet connection in 2002 for this reason.
I wrote a booklet to help you use internet in libraries:
www.scribd.com/doc/73135220/Using-internet-in-libraries
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BCR (not verified)at 12:30 on December 31st, 2011
AS a TI for over 6 years I can easily say, BATVETTE is not a TI, he's on of "Them."
at 03:30 on January 1st, 2012
If you'd like to join the discussion and offer a rebuttal to any of my expressed opinions, please do!
Just poking your nose in and biting my ankle is silly.
If you're one of the many nutters pretending to be a TI because you don't like meds, I guess you do see me as "them"! Everyone's out to get you, right?
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anomacom (not verified)at 20:50 on January 2nd, 2012
Batvette said - "If you're one of the many nutters pretending to be a TI because you don't like meds, I guess you do see me as "them"! Everyone's out to get you, right?"
A tipical perp response, calling out "meds" as a primary tatic to imply that the poster has a *mental illness.*