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How Widespread Is Gang Stalking?
“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face
with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
J. Edgar Hoover on COINTELPRO
There have been books, articles, blogs, commentary, Youtube videos, etc., detailing what victims call gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques. To my knowledge, there has not been any attempt to quantify gang stalking in the U.S. in terms of the total number of participants. By participants, I mean gang stalking victims, members of gang stalking groups, flash mobs involved in community mobbing of gang stalking victims, and, persons and entities who play a peripheral role in related workplace mobbing and systematic isolation of the gang stalking target.
Once caught in the web of the gang stalking Program, a target is subject to a full court press that invades every aspect of their life and is calculated to destroy that person. The process is highly formulaic programmatic, systematic and systemic. Key to the destruction of a gang stalking target is a full penetration and infiltration of their environs, including their constant surveillance and harassment in their home, workplace/school mobbing of the target, and target's isolation from friends and family members. This is done in a highly formulaic, programmatic, systematic and systemic manner. This article seeks to extrapolate, largely from circumstantial evidence, how large the gang stalking Program is in terms of persons and entities involved. This article will also look at gang stalking activities and related funding issues to assess who is ultimately behind the funding and control of the gang stalking Program.
The starting point is the assessment of the number of victims of the gang stalking Program. The author made a FOIA request to DOJ after their release of Stalking Victimization in the United States, in January of 2009. In that FOIA request, the author asked DOJ how many victims of 3 or more stalkers were reporting that the multiple stalkers were acting in concert as a team or group. The author received a response showing, that according to DOJ statistics, 185,050 persons in the U.S. were being stalked by teams or groups of between "3" and "50" stalkers. See links:
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf
http://www.osnanaimo.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf
The author previously wrote an article in which he pointed out flaws in the methodology used in the Stalking Report that resulted in an under-reporting of the number of gang stalking victims, and argued that an accurate number was at least 350,000. See link:
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-new-doj-foia-documents-prove-doj-knows-truth
In any event, this article will be using the range of 185,000 to 350,000 gang stalking Program victims in assessing the parameters of the Program in terms of persons involved in the Program. We will also consider gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques as widely and uniformly reported in various articles, blogs, books, commentary, the Urban Dictionary, etc., on the subject, to quantify the number of persons involved in the gang stalking Program from features of the Program widely and uniformly reported in the numerous accounts of the Program in articles, blogs, etc.
The first element of the gang stalking Program we will analyze is the constant surveillance and related harassment of the gang stalking victim 24/7/365 as is a widely and uniformly reported feature of the Program. From what is being reported, in terms of surveillance and related harassment, at least one member of a gang stalking group has to be surveilling a gang stalking target at all times. This means that at least one person is involved in surveilling the gang stalking victim 168 hours a week. This means that approximately 4 full-time jobs are involved in the constant surveillance of a single gang stalking Program victim. Since gang stalking victims are subject to harassment, conspicuous surveillance, flash mobbing, street theatre and related tactics everywhere they go, inside and outside their community, there are additional gang stalking group members involved in the illegal surveillance and related harassment of gang stalking victims in the community. Clearly, these groups multi-task surveillance and harassment activities against multiple gang stalking Program targets in a given community in which the respective gang stalking group operates. It is safe to say that at least a handful of gang stalking group members are needed to illegally surveill and harass a Program victim as they travel within and outside their communities. It is also clear that gang stalking groups multi-task and harass numerous targets that travel in and through a given community in which the particular gang stalking group operates. It is also conservative to estimate that at least one or two gang stalking members per target are involved in coordinating gang stalking activities against targets of the Program when said targets are "on the move" in addition to the bare minimum of 4 gang stalking group members needed to keep the Program target under constant surveillance. This equates to a total of 5 or 6 gang stalking group members per gang stalking target at minimum. If we take the conservative estimate of 5.5 gang stalking group members per target and apply it to our range of 185,000 to 350,000 we get about 1 million to 2 million gang stalking group members.
The gang stalking group members are drawn heavily from the Penal System under the guidance of the Department of Homeland Security. One victim, who is an ex-con, tried to post the following on the Wikipedia page on Stalking by Groups:
"Mostly the groups are x-cons or convicts released early out of jail or prison to join this program were to monitor and or track innocent people and report anything so they will end up in jail or even worse be assassinated by the group if the head agent in charge gives them a green lite on the persons life which means to kill them. I am a victim of this and not only my life but my children's lives are in danger because i am well aware of every thing they have done to me over the years."
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It is important to note that the 1 million to 2 million estimate of gang stalking group members is an estimate of the people coordinating the illegal surveillance and harassment against targets as part of a territorial, hierarchical group with a defined membership. This estimate does not include non-members who are loosely affiliated and join in on the gang stalking activities, such as flash mobbing and street theatre, on a semi-permanent or ad hoc basis. These semi-permanent members range from neighbors and community groups coerced, or misled by a slander campaign against the gang stalking target, into participation in the the Program, to vagrant types given a few bucks to participate. Most of the storefront businesses, community groups and many of the neighbors involved in the Program are not members of gang stalking groups, but, will harass and mistreat the gang stalking target because of coercion used against them by the gang stalking groups, or, because they buy into a slander campaign villifying the Program target as deserving of such treatment. Gang stalking Program targets represent a fraction of a percent of the communities they live in. The neighbors, storefront businesses, community groups coerced and/or misled into involvement in the gang stalking Program nationwide represent additional millions of participants in the Program.
In order to destroy the target, an infiltration of every aspect of that target's life is performed. This means that not only are neighbors and neighborhood businesses recruited to participate, but, that employers, friends and family members are turned against the target. This involves workplace mobbing at each workplace the Program target works. This also means that friends, associates, co-workers and blood relatives are subject to coercion and slander campaigns against the target. This requires the Program to reach dozens of individuals per target.
Most of the above-mentioned categories of people,to wit, neighbors, neighborhood groups, businesses, employers, friends, relatives, etc., are not gang stalking group members. Rather, these participantss, who are far more numerous than the 1 to 2 million gang stalking group members nationwide, participate in the Program because they are either coereced and/or misled by slander campaigns against the Program target. Gang stalking victims quickly realize that friends, co-workers, and even intimates are really "frenemies" looking to undermine them. Some of these frenemies are emotionally unstable, psychologically draining individuals with dysthymic disorder. More importantly, some of these frenemies are likely to have been placed on the gang stalking victim even before the active phase of gang stalking began. These frenemies are chosen because they are psychologically weak and some digging will reveal other questionable relationships in which these same frenemy tools have been placed on other gang stalking victims. Again, this happens to mirror the law enforcement practice of placing a "bad jacket" on a mark. Certain employers are gang stalking mills, intentionally hiring Program targets for workplace mobbing and constructive termination because their owners are particularly vulnerable to blackmail and other coercive tactics.
Below is a a link to the testimony of a gang stalker explaining "the syndicate" and its operations, funding, lingo, interactions with civil institutions, etc. The gang stalker describes a coercion daisy chain in which he too is at the mercy of the mob and would have to sacrifice his wife and family if ordered to by "higher ups". Of course, anyone weak-minded enough to follow this Program is blind to the wider implications of social engineering and political control technology imposed by the criminalized intelligence services using him as a tool of structural political oppression against the wider public. The public is ultimately seen as the enemy by the power elite and their well fed and trained dogs in the intelligence and security apparatus:
http://gangstalkingsurfers.wordpress.com/confessions-of-a-gang-stalker-aka-life-in-the-syndicate/
All gang stalking targets experience an updated and refined version of McCarthy era blacklisting. This involves being hired, then, soon after, being subject to a hostile work environment, resulting in actual or constructive termination. Because of the sheer number of employers involved in this nefarious practice against gang stalking targets, as well as the fact that employers ranging from small businesses to large multinationals are involved, this neo-blacklisting can only be being orchestrated by the FBI, as was the case with McCarthyism. Unlike McCarthyism, neo-blacklisting, with its use of a hostile wok environment leading to actual or constructive termination, is not subject to the inference that a blacklisted target is being subject to defamation leading to un-employability, because they are indeed hired, then promptly set up for failure. Gang stalking targets’ “employment problems” start at the same time as their gang stalking starts. Most gang stalking targets, similar to victims of workplace mobbing, are actually better than average workers in their occupations.
All gang stalking targets experience workplace mobbing and academic mobbing. Ken Westhues, Sociology Professor Emeritus at University of Waterloo, Canada, writes about the causal link between academic and workplace mobbing and the rash of mass shootings:
"Most of the people who go postal, however, in academic as in other workplaces, have been mobbed there in preceding months or years."
http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/vtmassacre.htm
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/academic-study-links-mass-shootings-community-mobbing
The term "community mobbing" is a defined term of art in the field of Sociology. Community mobbing is the systematic use of bullying, rumor, innuendo, intimidation, humiliation, discrediting isolation, and general harassment in which the group ("mob") attacks a targeted individual:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing
Academic studies have shown that mobbing has severe health consequences:
In mobbing targets with PTSD, Leymann notes that the "mental effects were fully comparable with PTSD from war or prison camp experiences. Some patients may develop alcoholism or other substance abuse disorders. Family relationships routinely suffer. Some targets may even develop brief psychotic episodes, generally with paranoid symptoms. Leymann estimated that 15% of suicides in Sweden could be directly attributed to workplace mobbing.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing#Mobbing_in_the_workplace
Calgary Professor Hugo A. Meynell has publicly compared workplace mobbing to ethnic cleansing, and, has described the workplace mobbing victim as "a little holocaust" happening daily in our civilized workplaces:
http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/meynell-hh.htm
This country has now entered a phase of false "Democratism". This is an illusion of a two party system in which a plutocracy runs a right wing totalitarian state and hollows out any semblance of constitutional due process. The First, Second, and Fourth Amendments are particularly under siege. It appears that the operation of the American Red Guard/ American Stasi is meeting armed resistance. The mass shooting "epidemic" in America is a result of the occupation of the lives of gang stalking targets by the fascist operatus implemented against them by their government. Unlike the former U.S.S.R., Red China, Nazi Germany, etc., the widespread ownership of guns in civilian hands in America is at odds with the de facto national Gestapo system known as gang stalking. Ironically, as Wikileaks represented the example par excellence of a First Amendment insurgency against a proto-fascist America, so too, the mass shootings, however misguided the chosen targets, represent a Second Amendment revolt against fascist tyranny.
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310
The gang stalking Program is highly systematic, programmatic and systemic. Information about it dispensed to participants outside the gang stalking groups themselves is disinformational, misinformational and largely compartmentalized or "stovepiped". The total amount of Program participants, as described herein, can easily exceed 100 to every 1 gang stalking Program target. This means that 10% of the U.S. population may be participating in the gang stalking Program, most only having a vague notion of the larger Program called gang stalking by its victims. These numbers are consistent with the civil population involvement with the intelligence communities in former Eastern Bloc. It is noteworthy that the author has multiple sources stating that middle aged persons from the former Eastern Bloc, who are not even fluent in English, are participating in the gang stalking Program in the U.S., as if they imported the techniques directly from Eastern Europe. Similarly, the urban storefront businesses in this country are often run by immigrants originating from third world police states where noncompliance with authority is regularly met by brutal state reaction (disappearances, murder, rape, beatings, etc). This prior social conditioning of recent immigrants makes it easy work for the big city American police departments who run the gang stalking Program for the Feds to incorporate them into the Program.
Community-based policing, similar to gang stalking, is today, and has been for decades, the preferred tool of third-world societal control. A good example of this is Syria, where 20 percent of the population is working for the intelligence agencies. See: "When 20 per cent of the population is rumored to be in the intelligence service, it is no wonder, many prefer to keep their voices down in the light of day. But within a crowd, that fear is temporarily forgotten." Link to full story:
http://rt.com/news/intelligence-violence-security-fear-243/
In the U.S., the use of a growing percentage of the population in national "neighborhood watch Programs" has been instrumental in building a Stasi-like citizen spy network:
In 1981, national data showed that 12 percent of the population was involved in some type of neighborhood watch group (O'Keefe and Mendelsohn, 1984). By 1988, it was estimated that between seven and 20 percent of residents of U.S. cities were involved in such activities (Rosenbaum, 1988). A national study (Whitaker, 1986) showed that 38 percent of households in neighborhoods that had a Neighborhood Watch program participated in the program. This study concluded that urban areas were more likely to have programs than suburban or rural areas, but that people living in the latter were likely to be involved in a program if one was organized.
full link:
http://www.usaonwatch.org/about/neighborhoodwatch.aspx?
This community policing model whether based on former Eastern Bloc countries, Syria, or gang stalking in the U.S., requires the deputizing, and putting on the payroll, a large swathe of the criminal element.
What is also common about all community policing models, including gang stalking in America, is that only the government has the money to fund them. Neighbors moving into housing units surrounding a Program target. Gang stalking perps with no job or means driving around in new model trucks. Gang stalking is happening not only in big cities but in rural areas and every demographic in between. One can find reports of it happening in every state, every county, every city, and almost every town in America. We are talking about Billions of dollars in funding here. All segments of the social order are co-opted into the Program. Targets will experience harassment, such as street theate and mobbing, by vagrants, others on the welfare rolls, city workers, etc. The total societal penetration reaches into their doctors offices, employers, neighbors, etc., right out of the former Eastern Bloc playbook.
Some argue that narcotics and other rackets fund gang stalking which, unlike every other racket, has no self-funding mechanism. The problem with this explanation is that because of criminal defense legal fees, civil forfeiture, mandatory victim compensation laws, etc., it is increasingly the case that racketeering wealth is less likely to be passed on generationally than it is to be confiscated and appropriated by the state.
"Gang stalking groups" have a substantially identical modus operandi to the FBI's Special Surveillance Groups or "SSG's". These SSG's were developed in the 1970's to combat Soviet espionage. Today, these tactics have been taught to criminals, through FBI channels, for domestic COINTELPRO operations against American citizens. Anyone familiar with gang stalking will immediately understand the striking similarity by reviewing the following NPR links on SSG's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P0UibgHIZg
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92207687
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/surveillance/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Surveillance_Group
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Spying_on_spy_Raw_Story_interviews_0612.html
Yale Psychologist Stanley Milgram's "small world" experiment concluded that about 1 in 6 people were sufficient to link to every member of a population (this later became the "six degrees of separation" principle). The 1 million to 2 million estimate for gang stalking group members is sufficient to explain the manpower needed to coordinate constant fixed and mobile surveillance against gang stalking vicitims numbering in the hundreds of thousands. The number of people needed to explain the highly consistent gang stalking accounts of hundreds of thousands of Program victims nationwide is exponentially higher.
The FBI and local police "red squad" units (Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) are not performing th grunt work of illegal surveillance and harassment of gang stalking targets. Rather, Snitches are being used to do the "community policing" and legwork for related COINTELPRO activities. These Snitches are essentially slave labor for law enforcement. The same model was used as the "Ghetto cop" by Nazis, and the "proletariat" citizen spy by the Communists. This country has a history of using criminal labor for social engineering campaigns. Ward Churchill documented the cultural Genocide of the American Indian as late as the 1980's. This was accomplished through sending Native American children to government "assimilation" camps run by criminals to separate them from their families and culture. The resulting beatings, rapes and other deprivations suffered as a result of this "assimilation" led to some of the highest unemployment, alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, etc., rates of any racial/ethnic demographic in American history. All the above is consistent with the trend of delegating much of "police work" to deputized criminal subagents. A great example is the statistic that 50% of federal narcotics cases are made through criminal informants; See link:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Snit
Key to understanding the nefarious snitch system is not only recognizing the sheer number of snitches, but also understanding the concept of the police creating the "snitch for life". Deferred prosecution/deferred sentencing agreements give police at all levels of government the option of giving felons facing long-term or life sentences an indefinite deferment as long as they keep snitching. These agreements can be more or less formal, but, always entail continued deferment of punishment while the criminal continues cooperation with authorities through the voluntary waiver of the statute of limitations. Most people, including criminals, do not know that the statute of limitations (usually 5 years for federal felonies) can and is commonly waived by cooperating criminals. This means that career or part-time criminals, facing sentencing, for example, under Rockefeller drug laws, can become long-term assets informing for decades. They can operate and inform under changing scenarios as their employers, friends and associates change over time. The policy question here is, does the informant trading liability by shifting it to other criminals provide a "public service" by doing so? Can we consider this self-interested criminals information or testimony as being disinterested as in the case of a disinterested citizen witness? Hardly, I'd say.
The FBI can orchestrate gang stalking with little or no overt presence. This was how COINTELPRO was designed. Through infiltration and the cultivation of snitches, the FBI ferments division within targeted groups, such as organized crime. The desired result is increasing the factionalizing or splitting within targeted groups, and, between targeted groups, resulting in the self destruction and mutual destruction of FBI targeted groups. This is achieved with little or no traces of direct FBI activity within these groups. Essentially, the most effective thing about COINTELPRO, is psychological manipulation of the targeted groups' members.
In the case of "generational victims", entire families are targeted by the Program for multiple generations. A key to understanding this is comprehending that systematic and systemic coercion will be used against both members of the nuclear and extended targeted family. Machiavellian "splitting" techniques as well as organized crime-style methods will be used to divide and destroy the targeted family. It is important to note that only a minority of these targeted families' members will experience full blown gang stalking (street theatre, flash mobbing, slander campaigns, intimate infiltration, employment sabotage, 24/7/365 surveillance and harassment, etc.). Some blogs and commentators write about a "preconditioning phase" before the onset of full blown gang stalking. During this preconditioning phase, the prospective future gang stalking victim is exposed to public rudeness, rudeness by employers, etc., to start breaking them down psychologically. The methods used during preconditioning to gang stalking are similar to predatory methods of cult abuse and MKULTRA-type abuse. Generational victims family members would all undergo the preconditioning phase of gang stalking, while only a minority of family members will proceed to full blown gang stalking. Ironically, the resilient, anti-authoritarian types will be of greater risk of becoming full blown gang stalking victims. The personalities of prospective gang stalking victims will be heavily profiled and any exploitable weaknesses duly noted during the preconditioning phase.
The Leninist concept of organizing a "controlled opposition" is central to the gang stalking Program's cover-up. The FBI's use of controlled opposition (phony government operatives and groups posing as opposition) in COINTELPRO is well documented. Ward Churchill writes about this in the context of AIM, the KKK and other groups subjected to COINTELPRO in The COINTELPRO Papers linked below (this book is a must read for anyone who wants to understand COINTELPRO):
http://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/Cointelpro_Papers.pdf
The controlled opposition, which has its origins in Lenin's Soviet Union, and, Mao's Red Guard, is clearly at play in the gang stalking Program:
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.'"
Vladimir Lenin (the FBI has learned Lenin's teachings well).
To give a historical analogue to gang stalking , the below linked film, Stasiland, examines the East German surveillance society that is considered the gold standard for the modern police state:
http://www.youtube.com/user/phrygian20?blend=22&ob=5#p/u/0/HClXxgCPAjY
Compare the FBI's Gang Stalking Program to Stasi techniques:
The Stasi perfected the technique of psychological harassment of perceived enemies known as Zersetzung – a term borrowed from chemistry which literally means "corrosion" or "undermining".
By the 1970s, the Stasi had decided that methods of overt persecution which had been employed up to that time, such as arrest and torture, were too crude and obvious. It was realised that psychological harassment was far less likely to be recognised for what it was, so its victims, and their supporters, were less likely to be provoked into active resistance, given that they would often not be aware of the source of their problems, or even its exact nature. Zersetzung was designed to side-track and "switch off" perceived enemies so that they would lose the will to continue any "inappropriate" activities.
Tactics employed under Zersetzung generally involved the disruption of the victim’s private or family life. This often included breaking into homes and messing with the contents – moving furniture, altering the timing of an alarm, removing pictures from walls or replacing one variety of tea with another. Other practices included smear campaigns, denunciation, provocation, psychological warfare, psychological subversion, wiretapping, bugging, mysterious phone calls or unnecessary deliveries, even including sending a vibrator to a target's wife. Usually victims had no idea the Stasi were responsible. Many thought they were losing their minds, and mental breakdowns and suicide could result.
One great advantage of the harassment perpetrated under Zersetzung was that its subtle nature meant that it was able to be denied. That was important given that the GDR was trying to improve its international standing during the 1970s and 80s.
Zersetzung techniques have since been adopted by other security agencies, particularly the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB).[28]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi#Zersetzung
An excellent overview of the criminalization of American intelligence agencies is given by former N.O.C. MI-6 agent Christopher Story in his book New Underworld Order :
http://www.thinkorbeeaten.com/theknoll/rr/The_New_Underworld_Order%20-%20Christopher_Story.pdf
Pay specific attention to Chapter 8, at p. 529, et. seq. Story's partial biography is found on his Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Story
Retired Sheriff Richard Mack on the oath to the Constitution versus federal tyranny and cronyism:
http://www.nullifynow.com/2012/02/richard-mack-the-untouchable-bill-of-rights/
Furthermore, upon information and belief, the author herein believes that the following mass murders are likely related to the "gang stalking" Program:
James E. Holmes
Terence Tyler
One L. Goh
Scott Dekraai
John Turner
Yvonne Hiller
Amy Bishop
Shareef Allman
Jiverly Wong
Cho Seung-Hui
Ross Truett Ashley (visited same gun range as Cho Seung-Hui)
Abdo Ibssa
Nidal Malik Hassan
Jared Loughner
Christopher Nathen Elliot Travis
T.J. Lane
Andrew J. Engeldinger
Lawrence Jones
Raulie Wayne Casteel
Jacob Tyler Roberts
Jeffrey Lee Michael
Adam Lanza
William H. Spengler, Jr.
Bryan Oliver
Nehemiah Griego
Arthur Douglas Harmon
Christopher Jordan Dorner
Nahn Lap Tran
Ali Syed
Kurt R. Myers
James Oliver Seevakumaran
Dylan Quick
Neil MacInnis
Esteban J. Smith
John Zawahri
Ahmed Dirir
See Appendix of link below:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/counterterrorism/ActiveShooter2012Edition.pdf
Note that the author is not claiming definitive proof of gang stalking in each case, but rather, indicia of gang stalking in each case. Moreover, the author is not claiming to know whether other incidents of mass violence relate back to the "gang stalking" Program, but he suspects there are other such incidents.
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Why is Wikipedia Censoring Mainstream News about Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/why-wikipedia-censoring-mainstream-news-about-gang-stalking#ixzz1gGhM9yPz


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at 04:55 on November 13th, 2011
I attempted to draw conclusions from the best evidence available. I also tried to make reasonable assumptions based on what is being widely reported. I think my methodology is sound, but, like any estimate, there is room for error. That is why statisticians speak in terms of "ranges" and "confidance levels".
I am much more interested in finding answers than in demonstrating my own perspicacity. I encourage readers to make specific critiques and suggestions so that we may reach better conclusions.
at 15:26 on November 13th, 2011
Batvette,
DENIES flash mobs using social media and IM to harass targets;
DENIES noise campaigns
DENIES psychological sensitization of targets;
DENIES the involvement of a large number of people in gang stalking groups
Makes fun of Lawrence Guzzino and other targets calling their stories being "crazy";
Disputes the worthiness of the statement on gang stalking by the only active member of Law Enforcement with the balls to speak publicly on the subject.
Your brand of "gangstalking" is the Party Line of "Official Denial"
You are a Liar and a Shill as Proven by your own words. You can take my statements, and those of other victims like Guzzino, out of context, but, I believe the majority of readers and TI's are smart enough to see RIGHT through your selective misrepresentations. Your credibility as a self-proclaimed gang stalking victim is ZERO.
at 03:25 on November 15th, 2011
Where is the personal TI story of Keith Labella and his sockpuppets?
I deny stupid shyte.
I also back up my accusations on the spot.
This, by you:
ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO IT.
Was in fact a LIE.
Kindly support your similar accusations against me or STFU.
at 05:19 on November 15th, 2011
Batvette writes,
ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO ITKindly support your similar accusations against me or STFU.
The fact that I obtained a five page affidavit from Gunderson related to gang stalking DOES MAKE ANY PARTICULAR STATEMENT THEREIN "MY ACCUSATION".
Based on your numerous disparaging remarks about gang stalking victims and your making light of gang stalking, you are by definition an ENEMY of TI'S
enemy
n. pl. en·e·mies
1. One who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another; a foe. You can say what you want about me, but, unlike yourself, I certainly never made fun of TI's, or said that gang stalking was no big deal. WHY SHOULD ANY TI LISTEN TO A THING YOU SAY WHEN YOU ARE CLEARLY THE ENEMY HERE?at 12:53 on November 15th, 2011
The LIE was that Gunderson was under OATH. Although you seem to be the reigning world champion at it, playing stupid does not divert the point.
You made an accusation against me. Substantiate it or retract it with an apology, or leave it as more evidence you'll say anything to discredit another TI whether true or not.
at 07:10 on November 13th, 2011
Despite superficial similarities, you will find no descriptions in the history of the Stasi of any of the stupid shyte "perp tactics" being circulated on the internet by this author or any other of the numerous "TI's" who are finding therapeutic value playing victims of something that could only sound plausible to a disturbed mind.
Let's get real here. The only thing that DOJ report establishes as factual is that "XXX" amount of people thought they were being stalked. According to the disinfo the same author proliferates, this could mean each of them saw 3 or more people on crutches and were such jackholes they thought they were faking being crippled to ruin them psychologically.
I am not being facetious, this is really a "gangstalking" tactic he claims. It's so absurd it's comedy, think of what an ass hole that makes you- you look at someone hobbling by on crutches, and instead of compassion for HIS situation, the first thing that pops into your head is "being subjected to the visual blight of the disabled is something that would bother me so much it leads to my psychological ruin!".
Now add to this various other stupid shyte like "people break into my home while I'm asleep and rearrange my sock drawer, and I'm powerless to stop or even film them!" and you have to ask why the public doesn't give a crap about it?
I'd like to think we could estimate the number of TI's by the number of actionable reports filed with police of crimes, or by their own personal accounts backed with described attempts to gather evidence of criminal activity against them. Not with a bunch of people reading vague generalized descriptions of everyday activities of people around them that could be misconstrued until they can be convinced "I think it's happening to me I wanna be a victim TOO!"
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an annonymous comment (not verified)at 12:30 on November 13th, 2011
www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/16-02/ff_stasi?currentPage=all====================================================================="If I had told anyone at the time that the Stasi was giving me flat tires, they would have laughed at me," she says. "It was a way to discredit people, make them seem crazy. I doubted my own sanity sometimes." Eventually, the officer broke off contact, but continued to telephone Poppe — often drunk, often late at night, sometimes complaining about his failing marriage. He eventually committed suicide.......................................... Poppe is looking forward to finding out what was in that last, reconstructed 5 percent. "The files were really important to see," she says, taking a drag on her cigarette and leaning forward across the coffee table. "They explained everything that happened — the letters we never got, the friends who pulled away from us. We understood where the Stasi influenced our lives, where they arranged for something to happen, and where it was simply our fault."=================================================If a person reads the wired.com article, it is clear that the Stasi employed methods designed to discredit people -- to make them appear "crazy."
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an anonymous comment (not verified)at 14:29 on November 14th, 2011
The smallest example from the previous comment: If I had told anyone at the time that the Stasi was giving me flat tires, they would have laughed at me," she says. "It was a way to discredit people, make them seem crazy. I doubted my own sanity sometimes." (Nope, nothing even remotely similar)
at 03:39 on November 15th, 2011
Having your tires flattened is real criminal activity and does not begin to fall under the catagory of STUPID SHYTE as claimed by the "being a target is indiscernable from suffering from a mental illness" agenda pushers like peacefrog. Peacefrog educates people that merely seeing a person on crutches hobble by you should be assumed to be part of a program to psychologically ruin people and even justify them committing mass murders.
I'M SORRY BUT THAT'S JUST F U C KING CRAZY OKAY.
This shyte's got to stop and anyone who doesn't recognize how silly most of it is becoming well you are likely part of the problem too.
I mean how dumb is all this, what do you expect the government to do about any of this? make cripples stay at home so you won't have to look at them? give you your own day at the post office so nobody stands in line ahead of you and triggers a paranoia attack that they are there just to annoy YOU?
It's pretty funny I am being viciously attacked by Peacefrog as fake when he's never published a detailed account of his targeting anywhere, or at least refuses to reveal where.
It's obvious why he's "crusading" for other people telling what THEY are complaining about- he'd come up with silly stuff like "oh that guy has that "perp" look, you know the one- he looked at me! now I must focus and not get angry or today's the day I load up the arsenal and get even with all of you!"
at 05:17 on November 15th, 2011
Batvette writes,
Having your tires flattened is real criminal activity and does not begin to fall under the catagory of STUPID SHYTE as claimed by the "being a target...
Batvette, from the very beginning I claimed that real crimes were going on in gang stalking, other than stalking, which are part of gang stalking. If you read my gang stalking FOIA request, as well as the articles I link to, such as the KENS 5 San Antonio news story on gang stalking, it is clear that by "gang stalking" I am also referring to related crimes much more serious than felony destruction of property (i.e., tire slashing).
Based on your numerous disparaging remarks about gang stalking victims and your making light of gang stalking, you are by definition an ENEMY of TI'S
enemy
n. pl. en·e·mies
1. One who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another; a foe. You can say what you want about me, but, unlike yourself, I certainly never made fun of TI's, or said that gang stalking was no big deal. WHY SHOULD ANY GANG STALKING VICTIM LISTEN TO A THING YOU SAY WHEN YOU ARE BY DEFINITION AN ENEMY OF TI'S?- Sign In or Join to post comments
Liz Blandra (not verified)at 09:09 on November 18th, 2011
batvette responded to me with the following: "Having your tires flattened is real criminal activity and does not begin to fall under the catagory of STUPID SHYTE as claimed by the "being a target is indiscernable from suffering from a mental illness" agenda pushers like peacefrog" Well, here's the rub batvette (and by the by, victims are having their tires flattened, but be that as it may...), if victims were to come out en masse, claiming that their tires are being flattened, you'd probably respond by saying that it's nothing more than a bunch of "nutters" who don't know enough to keep adequate amounts of air in their tires.
at 08:12 on November 13th, 2011
Batvette,
DENIES flash mobs using social media and IM to harass targets;
DENIES noise campaigns
DENIES psychological sensitization of targets;
DENIES the involvement of a large number of people in gang stalking groups
Makes fun of Lawrence Guzzino and other targets calling their stories being "crazy";
Disputes the worthiness of the statement on gang stalking by the only active member of Law Enforcement with the balls to speak publicly on the subject.
Your brand of "gangstalking" is the Party Line of "Official Denial"
You are a Liar and a Shill as Proven by your own words. You can take my statements, and those of other victims like Guzzino, out of context, but, I believe the majority of readers and TI's are smart enough to see RIGHT through your selective misrepresentations. Your credibility as a self-proclaimed gang stalking victim is ZERO.at 16:06 on November 13th, 2011
Just wondering if PeaceFrog is linked to this Elizabeth Blandra in some way per the link below?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Elizabeth_
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Elizabeth Blandra (not verified)at 06:22 on November 14th, 2011
Thank you for your interest, The 1. I'm flattered. All kidding aside though, the connection to PeaceFrog is that we're both trying to bring about the exposure and cessation of gang stalking. There's no mystery. We're not the same person, and we certainly don't agree on every aspect of gang stalking, as you'll see by reading all of my comments. But do we both want to see an end to gang stalking? You bet.
at 06:44 on November 14th, 2011
Thxs Elizabeth Blandra (not verified) ! That link isn't specifically clear about what the connection is between all the named user ID's. it mentions. I believe it reflects back somewhat on PeaceFrog previous article concerning alleged Wikipedia censorship.
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Elizabeth Blandra (not verified)at 15:08 on November 14th, 2011
The 1, Yes, PeaceFrog and I collaborated on a Wiki project to get the DOJ documents posted. He was having trouble posting something and, in the interest of saving time, I posted it for him.
at 16:56 on November 14th, 2011
Thanks again Elizabeth Blandra (not verified).. Wasn't sure if that link was suggesting you were in fact also PeaceFrog..Even though your post weren't in the same style or approach as PeaceFrog. I appreciate your response in clarifying that..I thought you might also be anonymously commenting (not verified) ?
at 17:06 on November 13th, 2011
I'm tired of jokers asking why gang stalking criminals don't talk when there is a simple reason why. Half the Federal drug prosecutions are made with snitches- who always talk BUT ONLY TO THEIR POLICE HANDLERS!
See link to Professor Alexnadra Natapoff, Esq. book TV interview on her book Snitches:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Snit
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brr...vette (not verified)at 17:43 on November 14th, 2011
And I'm tired of jokers feigning ignorance about gang-stalking when it's being done to me, around me, everywhere I go.
How Widespread Is Gang Stalking?
It's everywhere - far and wide everywhere.
It's absolutely amazing that anyone can pretend to not know about it, but that only shows the undeniable success of public perception and programming by the authorities.
at 03:14 on November 15th, 2011
So what do Federal drug cases have to do with gangstalking, Peacefrog/Elizabeth Blair/anonymously commenting? Are you gangstalked? Describe an average day's happenings for YOU that is causing your ruination by psychological torment having to endure the presence of other humans.
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brr...vette (not verified)at 08:14 on November 15th, 2011
I don't know about the federal drug cases batvette, but you have no justification in confusing psychological torment by trained and conditioned "gang-stalkers" with "having to endure the presence of other humans". That's a classic low-ball selling technique, and nobody's buying it.
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Liz Blandra (not verified)at 13:25 on November 15th, 2011
In your opinion, was Jiverly Wong being gang-stalked, batvette?
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Liz Blandra (not verified)at 13:57 on November 15th, 2011
If I were a sockpuppet of PeaceFrog, I certainly wouldn't be posting on Now Public as Elizabeth Blandra -- I would have used another name, so as to obscure what happened on Wikipedia. If I were trying to hide something, I wouldn't be posting comments as Elizabeth Blandra.
at 05:19 on November 16th, 2011
Batvette,
TO CLARIFY:
I BELIEVE THAT GANG STALKING IS A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM LED BY THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. THE FACT THAT IT IS NATIONWIDE AND VERY PROGRAMMATIC, SYSTEMATIC AND SYSTEMIC, AND, THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO WAY OF FUNDING ITSELF AS SUCH, DICTATE THAT IT IS THE GOVERNMENT BEHIND IT.
MANY TOOLS, AS LISTED BY YOU, SUCH AS ORGANIZED CRIME, SNITCHES, ETC., ARE COERCED, BRIBED AND/OR MISLED INTO PARTICIPATION. BTW, YOUR LIST OF DUPES AND TOOLS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM IS FAR FROM EXCLUSIVE.
ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO IT. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING PLAY IN THIS, AND NEVER HAVE MADE ANY AFFIRMATIVE REPRESENTATION THAT EITHER SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING ARE LINKED TO GANG STALKING. I DID NOT HAVE EDITORIAL CONTROL OVER THE GUNDERSON AFFIDAVIT, ALTHOUGH I HELPED TO DRAFT IT.
BTW, ANYONE WISHING TO READ THE ZOHO.COM POLL COMMENTS WILL SEE A GREAT VARIETY OF COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF MY POLL AND ARTICLES, AS WELL AS CRITICISM, THAT I CAN LIVE WITH SINCE I AM NOT THE OBVIOUS MEGALOMANIAC YOU ARE!
HERE IS BATVETTE'S DISINFORMATION:
Batvette,
DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media and IM to organize;
DENIES Noise Campaigns
DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;
DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;
DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;
STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters";
STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";
THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";
BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.
DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media and IM to organize;
DENIES Noise Campaigns
DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;
DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;
DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;
STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters";
STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";
THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";
BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: How Widespread Is Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 3 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking#ixzz1dsIUpQmR
at 06:10 on November 16th, 2011
Didn't you claim what happened at wiki was some innocent misunderstanding where you didn't know the rules about pretending to vote in an AFD/RFC poll as 3 different people?
So why would you now say you'd obscure it?
Are you also "anonymously commenting"?
at 06:51 on November 16th, 2011
Batvette,
TO CLARIFY:
I BELIEVE THAT GANG STALKING IS A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM LED BY THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. THE FACT THAT IT IS NATIONWIDE AND VERY PROGRAMMATIC, SYSTEMATIC AND SYSTEMIC, AND, THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO WAY OF FUNDING ITSELF AS SUCH, DICTATE THAT IT IS THE GOVERNMENT BEHIND IT.
MANY TOOLS, AS LISTED BY YOU, SUCH AS ORGANIZED CRIME, SNITCHES, ETC., ARE COERCED, BRIBED AND/OR MISLED INTO PARTICIPATION. BTW, YOUR LIST OF DUPES AND TOOLS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM IS FAR FROM EXCLUSIVE.
ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO IT. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING PLAY IN THIS, AND NEVER HAVE MADE ANY AFFIRMATIVE REPRESENTATION THAT EITHER SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING ARE LINKED TO GANG STALKING. I DID NOT HAVE EDITORIAL CONTROL OVER THE GUNDERSON AFFIDAVIT, ALTHOUGH I HELPED TO DRAFT IT.
BTW, ANYONE WISHING TO READ THE ZOHO.COM POLL COMMENTS WILL SEE A GREAT VARIETY OF COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF MY POLL AND ARTICLES, AS WELL AS CRITICISM, THAT I CAN LIVE WITH SINCE I AM NOT THE OBVIOUS MEGALOMANIAC YOU ARE!
HERE IS BATVETTE'S DISINFORMATION:
Batvette,
DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media and IM to organize;
DENIES Noise Campaigns
DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;
DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;
DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;
STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters";
STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";
THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";
BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.
DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media and IM to organize;
DENIES Noise Campaigns
DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;
DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;
DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;
STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters";
STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";
THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";
BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: How Widespread Is Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 3 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking#ixzz1dsIUpQmR
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: How Widespread Is Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 3 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking#ixzz1dsgLbEn8
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Elizabeth Blandra (not verified)at 07:27 on November 16th, 2011
batvette, You should read carefully. I had no intention of obscuring anything. If I had wanted to obscure my identity, I wouldn't have used "Elizabeth Blandra." You're a bully, batvette. It's plain as day.
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Elizabeth Blandra (not verified)at 07:07 on November 15th, 2011
In your opinion, was Jiverly Wong being gang-stalked, batvette?
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Elizabeth Blandra (not verified)at 07:31 on November 15th, 2011
www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/nyregion/06victims.html?pagewanted=all.... Binghamton Victims Shared a Dream of Living Better Lives
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Elizabeth Blandra (not verified)at 07:36 on November 15th, 2011
Just some of the carnage that gang stalking leaves in its wake:........www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/binghamton_officials_release_n.html...www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/binghamton_officials_release_n.html...... How many more lives has gang stalking claimed? How many lives?