How Widespread Is Gang Stalking?

by PeaceFrog | November 10, 2011 at 09:10 am
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“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face
with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”

J. Edgar Hoover on COINTELPRO

     There have been books, articles, blogs, commentary, Youtube videos, etc., detailing what victims call gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques. To my knowledge, there has not been any attempt to quantify gang stalking in the U.S. in terms of the total number of participants. By participants, I mean gang stalking victims, members of gang stalking groups, flash mobs involved in community mobbing of gang stalking victims, and, persons and entities who play a peripheral role in related workplace mobbing and systematic isolation of the gang stalking target. 

      Once caught in the web of the gang stalking Program, a target is subject to a full court press that invades every aspect of their life and is calculated to destroy that person. The process is highly formulaic programmatic, systematic and systemic. Key to the destruction of a gang stalking target is a full penetration and infiltration of their environs, including their constant surveillance and harassment in their home, workplace/school mobbing of the target, and target's isolation from friends and family members. This is done in a highly formulaic, programmatic, systematic and systemic manner. This article seeks to extrapolate, largely from circumstantial evidence, how large the gang stalking Program is in terms of persons and entities involved. This article will also look at gang stalking activities and related funding issues to assess who is ultimately behind the funding and control of the gang stalking Program.      

     The starting point is the assessment of the number of victims of the gang stalking Program. The author made a FOIA request to DOJ after their release of Stalking Victimization in the United States, in January of 2009. In that FOIA request, the author asked DOJ how many victims of 3 or more stalkers were reporting that the multiple stalkers were acting in concert as a team or group. The author received a response showing, that according to DOJ statistics, 185,050 persons in the U.S. were being stalked by teams or groups of between "3" and "50" stalkers. See links:

  http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf

  http://www.osnanaimo.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf      

     The author previously wrote an article in which he pointed out flaws in the methodology used in the Stalking Report that resulted in an under-reporting of the number of gang stalking victims, and argued that an accurate number was at least 350,000. See link:

  http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-new-doj-foia-documents-prove-doj-knows-truth    

     In any event, this article will be using the range of 185,000 to 350,000 gang stalking Program victims in assessing the parameters of the Program in terms of persons involved in the Program. We will also consider gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques as widely and uniformly reported in various articles, blogs, books, commentary, the Urban Dictionary, etc., on the subject, to quantify the number of persons involved in the gang stalking Program from features of the Program widely and uniformly reported in the numerous accounts of the Program in articles, blogs, etc.    

     The first element of the gang stalking Program we will analyze is the constant surveillance and related harassment of the gang stalking victim 24/7/365 as is a widely and uniformly reported feature of the Program. From what is being reported, in terms of surveillance and related harassment, at least one member of a gang stalking group has to be surveilling a gang stalking target at all times. This means that at least one person is involved in surveilling the gang stalking victim 168 hours a week. This means that approximately 4 full-time jobs are involved in the constant surveillance of a single gang stalking Program victim. Since gang stalking victims are subject to harassment, conspicuous surveillance, flash mobbing, street theatre and related tactics everywhere they go, inside and outside their community, there are additional gang stalking group members involved in the illegal surveillance and related harassment of gang stalking victims in the community. Clearly, these groups multi-task surveillance and harassment activities against multiple gang stalking Program targets in a given community in which the respective gang stalking group operates. It is safe to say that at least a handful of gang stalking group members are needed to illegally surveill and harass a Program victim as they travel within and outside their communities. It is also clear that gang stalking groups multi-task and harass numerous targets that travel in and through a given community in which the particular gang stalking group operates. It is also conservative to estimate that at least one or two gang stalking members per target are involved in coordinating gang stalking activities against targets of the Program when said targets are "on the move" in addition to the bare minimum of 4 gang stalking group members needed to keep the Program target under constant surveillance. This equates to a total of 5 or 6 gang stalking group members per gang stalking target at minimum. If we take the conservative estimate of 5.5 gang stalking group members per target and apply it to our range of 185,000 to 350,000 we get about 1 million to 2 million gang stalking group members.    

     The gang stalking group members are drawn heavily from the Penal System under the guidance of the Department of Homeland Security. One victim, who is an ex-con, tried to post the following on the Wikipedia page on Stalking by Groups:

"Mostly the groups are x-cons or convicts released early out of jail or prison to join this program were to monitor and or track innocent people and report anything so they will end up in jail or even worse be assassinated by the group if the head agent in charge gives them a green lite on the persons life which means to kill them. I am a victim of this and not only my life but my children's lives are in danger because i am well aware of every thing they have done to me over the years."

Reverted 1 edit by 174.22.205.141 (talk)

      It is important to note that the 1 million to 2 million estimate of gang stalking group members is an estimate of the people coordinating the illegal surveillance and harassment against targets as part of a territorial, hierarchical group with a defined membership. This estimate does not include non-members who are loosely affiliated and join in on the gang stalking activities, such as flash mobbing and street theatre, on a semi-permanent or ad hoc basis. These semi-permanent members range from neighbors and community groups coerced, or misled by a slander campaign against the gang stalking target, into participation in the the Program, to vagrant types given a few bucks to participate. Most of the storefront businesses, community groups and many of the neighbors involved in the Program are not members of gang stalking groups, but, will harass and mistreat the gang stalking target because of coercion used against them by the gang stalking groups, or, because they buy into a slander campaign villifying the Program target as deserving of such treatment. Gang stalking Program targets represent a fraction of a percent of the communities they live in. The neighbors, storefront businesses, community groups coerced and/or misled into involvement in the gang stalking Program nationwide represent additional millions of participants in the Program.    

     In order to destroy the target, an infiltration of every aspect of that target's life is performed. This means that not only are neighbors and neighborhood businesses recruited to participate, but, that employers, friends and family members are turned against the target. This involves workplace mobbing at each workplace the Program target works. This also means that friends, associates, co-workers and blood relatives are subject to coercion and slander campaigns against the target. This requires the Program to reach dozens of individuals per target.     

    Most of the above-mentioned categories of people,to wit, neighbors, neighborhood groups, businesses, employers, friends, relatives, etc., are not gang stalking group members. Rather, these participantss, who are far more numerous than the 1 to 2 million gang stalking group members nationwide, participate in the Program because they are either coereced and/or misled by slander campaigns against the Program target. Gang stalking victims quickly realize that friends, co-workers, and even intimates are really "frenemies" looking to undermine them. Some of these frenemies are emotionally unstable, psychologically draining individuals with dysthymic disorder. More importantly, some of these frenemies are likely to have been placed on the gang stalking victim even before the active phase of gang stalking began. These frenemies are chosen because they are psychologically weak and some digging will reveal other questionable relationships in which these same frenemy tools have been placed on other gang stalking victims. Again, this happens to mirror the law enforcement practice of placing a "bad jacket" on a mark. Certain employers are gang stalking mills, intentionally hiring Program targets for workplace mobbing and constructive termination because their owners are particularly vulnerable to blackmail and other coercive tactics.  

      Below is a a link to the testimony of a gang stalker explaining "the syndicate" and its operations, funding, lingo, interactions with civil institutions, etc. The gang stalker describes a coercion daisy chain in which he too is at the mercy of the mob and would have to sacrifice his wife and family if ordered to by "higher ups". Of course, anyone weak-minded enough to follow this Program is blind to the wider implications of social engineering and political control technology imposed by the criminalized intelligence services using him as a tool of structural political oppression against the wider public. The public is ultimately seen as the enemy by the power elite and their well fed and trained dogs in the intelligence and security apparatus:

http://gangstalkingsurfers.wordpress.com/confessions-of-a-gang-stalker-aka-life-in-the-syndicate/

          All gang stalking targets experience an updated and refined version of McCarthy era blacklisting. This involves being hired, then, soon after, being subject to a hostile work environment, resulting in actual or constructive termination. Because of the sheer number of employers involved in this nefarious practice against gang stalking targets, as well as the fact that employers ranging from small businesses to large multinationals are involved, this neo-blacklisting can only be being orchestrated by the FBI, as was the case with McCarthyism. Unlike McCarthyism, neo-blacklisting, with its use of a hostile wok environment leading to actual or constructive termination, is not subject to the inference that a blacklisted target is being subject to defamation leading to un-employability, because they are indeed hired, then promptly set up for failure. Gang stalking targets’ “employment problems” start at the same time as their gang stalking starts. Most gang stalking targets, similar to victims of workplace mobbing, are actually better than average workers in their occupations.  

      All gang stalking targets experience workplace mobbing and academic mobbing. Ken Westhues, Sociology Professor Emeritus at University of Waterloo, Canada, writes about the causal link between academic and workplace mobbing and the rash of mass shootings:

"Most of the people who go postal, however, in academic as in other workplaces, have been mobbed there in preceding months or years."

http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/vtmassacre.htm

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/academic-study-links-mass-shootings-community-mobbing

     The term "community mobbing" is a defined term of art in the field of Sociology. Community mobbing is the systematic use of  bullying, rumor, innuendo, intimidation, humiliation, discrediting isolation, and general harassment in which the group ("mob") attacks a targeted individual:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing

     Academic studies have shown that mobbing has severe health consequences:

In mobbing targets with PTSD, Leymann notes that the "mental effects were fully comparable with PTSD from war or prison camp experiences. Some patients may develop alcoholism or other substance abuse disorders. Family relationships routinely suffer. Some targets may even develop brief psychotic episodes, generally with paranoid symptoms. Leymann estimated that 15% of suicides in Sweden could be directly attributed to workplace mobbing.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing#Mobbing_in_the_workplace    

     Calgary Professor Hugo A. Meynell has publicly compared workplace mobbing to ethnic cleansing, and, has described the workplace mobbing victim as "a little holocaust" happening daily in our civilized workplaces:

http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/meynell-hh.htm

     This country has now entered a phase of false "Democratism". This is an illusion of a two party system in which a plutocracy runs a right wing totalitarian state and hollows out any semblance of constitutional due process. The First, Second, and Fourth Amendments are particularly under siege. It appears that the operation of the American Red Guard/ American Stasi is meeting armed resistance. The mass shooting "epidemic" in America is a result of the occupation of the lives of gang stalking targets by the fascist operatus implemented against them by their government. Unlike the former U.S.S.R., Red China, Nazi Germany, etc., the widespread ownership of guns in civilian hands in America is at odds with the de facto national Gestapo system known as gang stalking. Ironically, as Wikileaks represented the example par excellence of a First Amendment insurgency against a proto-fascist America, so too, the mass shootings, however misguided the chosen targets, represent a Second Amendment revolt against fascist tyranny.

 http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

     The gang stalking Program is highly systematic, programmatic and systemic. Information about it dispensed to participants outside the gang stalking groups themselves is disinformational, misinformational and largely compartmentalized or "stovepiped". The total amount of Program participants, as described herein, can easily exceed 100 to every 1 gang stalking Program target. This means that 10% of the U.S. population may be participating in the gang stalking Program, most only having a vague notion of the larger Program called gang stalking by its victims. These numbers are consistent with the civil population involvement with the intelligence communities in former Eastern Bloc. It is noteworthy that the author has multiple sources stating that middle aged persons from the former Eastern Bloc, who are not even fluent in English, are participating in the gang stalking Program in the U.S., as if they imported the techniques directly from Eastern Europe. Similarly, the urban storefront businesses in this country are often run by immigrants originating from third world police states where noncompliance with authority is regularly met by brutal state reaction (disappearances, murder, rape, beatings, etc). This prior social conditioning of recent immigrants makes it easy work for the big city American police departments who run the gang stalking Program for the Feds to incorporate them into the Program.        

     Community-based policing, similar to gang stalking, is today, and has been for decades, the preferred tool of third-world societal control. A good example of this is Syria, where 20 percent of the population is working for the intelligence agencies. See: "When 20 per cent of the population is rumored to be in the intelligence service, it is no wonder, many prefer to keep their voices down in the light of day. But within a crowd, that fear is temporarily forgotten." Link to full story:

  http://rt.com/news/intelligence-violence-security-fear-243/

     In the U.S., the use of a growing percentage of the population in national "neighborhood watch Programs" has been instrumental in building a Stasi-like citizen spy network:

     In 1981, national data showed that 12 percent of the population was involved in some type of neighborhood watch group (O'Keefe and Mendelsohn, 1984). By 1988, it was estimated that between seven and 20 percent of residents of U.S. cities were involved in such activities (Rosenbaum, 1988). A national study (Whitaker, 1986) showed that 38 percent of households in neighborhoods that had a Neighborhood Watch program participated in the program. This study concluded that urban areas were more likely to have programs than suburban or rural areas, but that people living in the latter were likely to be involved in a program if one was organized. 

full link:

http://www.usaonwatch.org/about/neighborhoodwatch.aspx?

     This community policing model whether based on former Eastern Bloc countries, Syria, or gang stalking in the U.S., requires the deputizing, and putting on the payroll, a large swathe of the criminal element.

     What is also common about all community policing models, including gang stalking in America, is that only the government has the money to fund them. Neighbors moving into housing units surrounding a Program target. Gang stalking perps with no job or means driving around in new model trucks. Gang stalking is happening not only in big cities but in rural areas and every demographic in between. One can find reports of it happening in every state, every county, every city, and almost every town in America. We are talking about Billions of dollars in funding here. All segments of the social order are co-opted into the Program. Targets will experience harassment, such as street theate and mobbing, by vagrants, others on the welfare rolls, city workers, etc. The total societal penetration reaches into their doctors offices, employers, neighbors, etc., right out of the former Eastern Bloc playbook. 

     Some argue that narcotics and other rackets fund gang stalking which, unlike every other racket, has no self-funding mechanism. The problem with this explanation is that because of criminal defense legal fees, civil forfeiture, mandatory victim compensation laws, etc., it is increasingly the case that racketeering wealth is less likely to be passed on generationally than it is to be confiscated  and appropriated by the state.

     "Gang stalking groups" have a substantially identical modus operandi to the FBI's Special Surveillance Groups or "SSG's". These SSG's were developed in the 1970's to combat Soviet espionage. Today, these tactics have been taught to criminals, through FBI channels, for domestic COINTELPRO operations against American citizens. Anyone familiar with gang stalking will immediately understand the striking similarity by reviewing the following NPR links on SSG's:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P0UibgHIZg

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92207687

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/surveillance/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Surveillance_Group

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Spying_on_spy_Raw_Story_interviews_0612.html

     Yale Psychologist Stanley Milgram's "small world" experiment concluded that about 1 in 6 people were sufficient to link to every member of a population (this later became the "six degrees of separation" principle). The 1 million to 2 million estimate for gang stalking group members is sufficient to explain the manpower needed to coordinate constant fixed and mobile surveillance against gang stalking vicitims numbering in the hundreds of thousands. The number of people needed to explain the highly consistent gang stalking accounts of hundreds of thousands of Program victims nationwide is exponentially higher.

     The FBI and local police "red squad" units (Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) are not performing th grunt work of illegal surveillance and harassment of gang stalking targets. Rather, Snitches are being used to do the "community policing" and legwork for related COINTELPRO activities. These Snitches are essentially slave labor for law enforcement. The same model was used as the "Ghetto cop" by Nazis, and the "proletariat" citizen spy by the Communists. This country has a history of using criminal labor for social engineering campaigns. Ward Churchill documented the cultural Genocide of the American Indian as late as the 1980's. This was accomplished through sending Native American children to government "assimilation" camps run by criminals to separate them from their families and culture. The resulting beatings, rapes and other deprivations suffered as a result of this "assimilation" led to some of the highest unemployment, alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, etc., rates of any racial/ethnic demographic in American history. All the above is consistent with the trend of delegating much of "police work" to deputized criminal subagents. A great example is the statistic that 50% of federal narcotics cases are made through criminal informants; See link:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Snit

     Key to understanding the nefarious snitch system is not only recognizing the sheer number of snitches, but also understanding the concept of the police creating the "snitch for life". Deferred prosecution/deferred sentencing agreements give police at all levels of government the option of giving felons facing long-term or life sentences an indefinite deferment as long as they keep snitching. These agreements can be more or less formal, but, always entail continued deferment of punishment while the criminal continues cooperation with authorities through the voluntary waiver of the statute of limitations. Most people, including criminals, do not know that the statute of limitations (usually 5 years for federal felonies) can and is commonly waived by cooperating criminals. This means that career or part-time criminals, facing sentencing, for example, under Rockefeller drug laws, can become long-term assets informing for decades. They can operate and inform under changing scenarios as their employers, friends and associates change over time. The policy question here is, does the informant trading liability by shifting it to other criminals provide a "public service" by doing so? Can we consider this self-interested criminals information or testimony as being disinterested as in the case of a disinterested citizen witness? Hardly, I'd say.   

      The FBI can orchestrate gang stalking with little or no overt presence. This was how COINTELPRO was designed. Through infiltration and the cultivation of snitches, the FBI ferments division within targeted groups, such as organized crime. The desired result is increasing the factionalizing or splitting within targeted groups, and, between targeted groups, resulting in the self destruction and mutual destruction of FBI targeted groups. This is achieved with little or no traces of direct FBI activity within these groups. Essentially, the most effective thing about COINTELPRO, is psychological manipulation of the targeted groups' members.

     In the case of "generational victims", entire families are targeted by the Program for multiple generations. A key to understanding this is comprehending that systematic and systemic coercion will be used against both members of the nuclear and extended targeted family. Machiavellian "splitting" techniques as well as organized crime-style methods will be used to divide and destroy the targeted family. It is important to note that only a minority of these targeted families' members will experience full blown gang stalking (street theatre, flash mobbing, slander campaigns, intimate infiltration, employment sabotage, 24/7/365 surveillance and harassment, etc.). Some blogs and commentators write about a "preconditioning phase" before the onset of full blown gang stalking. During this preconditioning phase, the prospective future gang stalking victim is exposed to public rudeness, rudeness by employers, etc., to start breaking them down psychologically. The methods used during preconditioning to gang stalking are similar to predatory methods of cult abuse and MKULTRA-type abuse. Generational victims family members would all undergo the preconditioning phase of gang stalking, while only a minority of family members will proceed to full blown gang stalking. Ironically, the resilient, anti-authoritarian types will be of greater risk of becoming full blown gang stalking victims. The personalities of prospective gang stalking victims will be heavily profiled and any exploitable weaknesses duly noted during the preconditioning phase.

     The Leninist concept of organizing a "controlled opposition" is central to the gang stalking Program's cover-up. The FBI's use of controlled opposition (phony government operatives and groups posing as opposition) in COINTELPRO is well documented. Ward Churchill writes about this in the context of AIM, the KKK and other groups subjected to COINTELPRO in The COINTELPRO Papers linked below (this book is a must read for anyone who wants to understand COINTELPRO): 

http://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/Cointelpro_Papers.pdf

    The controlled opposition, which has its origins in Lenin's Soviet Union, and, Mao's Red Guard, is clearly at play in the gang stalking Program:

 "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.'"

Vladimir Lenin (the FBI has learned Lenin's teachings well).

     To give a historical analogue to gang stalking , the below linked film, Stasiland, examines the East German surveillance society that is considered the gold standard for the modern police state:

http://www.youtube.com/user/phrygian20?blend=22&ob=5#p/u/0/HClXxgCPAjY

     An excellent overview of the criminalization of American intelligence agencies is given by former N.O.C. MI-6 agent Christopher Story in his book New Underworld Order :

http://www.thinkorbeeaten.com/theknoll/rr/The_New_Underworld_Order%20-%20Christopher_Story.pdf

     Pay specific attention to Chapter 8, at p. 529, et. seq. Story's partial biography is found on his Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Story

     Retired Sheriff Richard Mack on the oath to the Constitution versus federal tyranny and cronyism:

http://www.nullifynow.com/2012/02/richard-mack-the-untouchable-bill-of-rights/

     Furthermore, upon information and belief, the author herein believes that the following mass murders are likely related to the "gang stalking" Program:

James E. Holmes

Terence Tyler

One L. Goh

Scott Dekraai         

John Turner
Yvonne Hiller
Amy Bishop
Shareef Allman
Jiverly Wong
Cho Seung-Hui

Ross Truett Ashley (visited same gun range as Cho Seung-Hui)
Abdo Ibssa
Nidal Malik Hassan
Jared Loughner

Christopher Nathen Elliot Travis

T.J. Lane

Andrew J. Engeldinger

Lawrence Jones

Raulie Wayne Casteel

Jacob Tyler Roberts

Jeffrey Lee Michael

Adam Lanza

William H. Spengler, Jr.

Bryan Oliver

Nehemiah Griego

Arthur Douglas Harmon

Christopher Jordan Dorner

 Nahn Lap Tran  

Ali Syed

Kurt R. Myers

James Oliver Seevakumaran

Dylan Quick

Neil MacInnis

See Appendix of link below:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/counterterrorism/ActiveShooter2012Edition.pdf 

          Note that the author is not claiming definitive proof of gang stalking in each case, but rather, indicia of gang stalking in each case. Moreover, the author is not claiming to know whether other incidents of mass violence relate back to the "gang stalking" Program, but he suspects there are other such incidents.      

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Why is Wikipedia Censoring Mainstream News about Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/why-wikipedia-censoring-mainstream-news-about-gang-stalking#ixzz1gGhM9yPz

    

 

 

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Radical Sunlight

Thank you for this very informative article.

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www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/binghamton_officials_release_n.html...............BINGHAMTON -- The city of Binghamton today released the names of the 14 people killed Friday when Jiverly Wong opened fire inside the American Civic Association building on Front Street then committed suicide. Listed are the names, ages, local addresses and countries of origin:............... Parveen Nln Ali, 26, Binghamton, Pakistan............. Dolores Yigal, 53, Binghamton, Philippines............. Marc Henry Bernard, 44, Endicott, Haiti............. Maria Sonia Bernard, 46, Endicott, Haiti............. Li Guo, 47, Binghamton, China............. Hong Xiu Mao, 35, Greene, China............. Lan Ho, 39, Binghamton, Vietnam............. Hai Hong Zhong, 54, Endwell, China............. Maria Zobniw, 60, Binghamton, U.S.............. Roberta Bobby King, 72, Binghamton, U.S.............. Almir O. Alves, 43, Unknown, Brazil............. Jiang Ling, 22, Endicott, China............. Layla Khalil, 57, Binghamton, Iraq............. Jiverly A. Wong, 41, Johnson City, Vietnam

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Liz Blandra

batvette stated:  "Note Jiverly Wong left a suicide note that clearly detailed gangstalking type activities. I need not backpedal on anything I've said then nor now as you obviously agree with me."  (at 17:08 on October 20th, 2011 posted to Why is Wikipedia Censoring Mainstream News about Gang Stalking?).......Repeating a piece of that comment:  "Note Jiverly Wong left a suicide note that clearly detailed gangstalking type activities.".........Refer to the following link for a copy of that letter:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings#Text_of_letter ..... to see what batvette describes as "clearly detailed gangstalking type activities."

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PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     TO CLARIFY:

     I BELIEVE THAT GANG STALKING IS A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM LED BY THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. THE FACT THAT IT IS NATIONWIDE AND VERY PROGRAMMATIC, SYSTEMATIC AND SYSTEMIC, AND, THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO WAY OF FUNDING ITSELF AS SUCH, DICTATE THAT IT IS THE GOVERNMENT BEHIND IT.

     MANY TOOLS, AS LISTED BY YOU, SUCH AS ORGANIZED CRIME, SNITCHES, ETC., ARE COERCED, BRIBED AND/OR MISLED INTO PARTICIPATION. BTW, YOUR LIST OF DUPES AND TOOLS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM IS FAR FROM EXCLUSIVE.

     ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO IT. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING PLAY IN THIS, AND NEVER HAVE MADE ANY AFFIRMATIVE REPRESENTATION THAT EITHER SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING ARE LINKED TO GANG STALKING. I DID NOT HAVE EDITORIAL CONTROL OVER THE GUNDERSON AFFIDAVIT, ALTHOUGH I HELPED TO DRAFT IT.

     BTW, ANYONE WISHING TO READ THE ZOHO.COM POLL COMMENTS WILL SEE A GREAT VARIETY OF COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF MY POLL AND ARTICLES, AS WELL AS CRITICISM, THAT I CAN LIVE WITH SINCE I AM NOT THE OBVIOUS MEGALOMANIAC YOU ARE! 

HERE IS BATVETTE'S DISINFORMATION:

Batvette,

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.

 

 

 

 

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.



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Liz Blandra

www.nowpublic.com/world/binghamton-shooter-suspect-jiverly-wongs-letter-paranoia  (for more of batvette's (and others') comments on gang stalking)

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batvette

Thank you for posting that!
Please, I beg everyone, sock puppets and all, to go read that and see that then as now everything I claim is based upon what I obeserve going around me and can personally bear witness to- and not some ever increasing cesspool of bullshyte being perpetuated by people who heard what other people were claiming.

In ANY case you won't find me misleading people with garbage presented as fact, like this:

It's FBI COINTELPRO, only the gov't has the means to do this.

It's the mob.

It's masons and scientology.

It's low level criminals and drug dealers.

It's a criminal informant network run by the government.

It's the Jewish community.

It's Italian organized crime.

It's the military/CIA.

And in other places he says it's satanic cults financed by kidnapping hildren sold at auctions.

-------------------------

What's the purpose except to disinform the naive?

D I S I N F O R M A T I O N.  Stop spreading it.

2
PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     TO CLARIFY:

     I BELIEVE THAT GANG STALKING IS A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM LED BY THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. THE FACT THAT IT IS NATIONWIDE AND VERY PROGRAMMATIC, SYSTEMATIC AND SYSTEMIC, AND, THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO WAY OF FUNDING ITSELF AS SUCH, DICTATE THAT IT IS THE GOVERNMENT BEHIND IT.

     MANY TOOLS, AS LISTED BY YOU, SUCH AS ORGANIZED CRIME, SNITCHES, ETC., ARE COERCED, BRIBED AND/OR MISLED INTO PARTICIPATION. BTW, YOUR LIST OF DUPES AND TOOLS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM IS FAR FROM EXCLUSIVE.

     ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO IT. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING PLAY IN THIS, AND NEVER HAVE MADE ANY AFFIRMATIVE REPRESENTATION THAT EITHER SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING ARE LINKED TO GANG STALKING. I DID NOT HAVE EDITORIAL CONTROL OVER THE GUNDERSON AFFIDAVIT, ALTHOUGH I HELPED TO DRAFT IT.

     BTW, ANYONE WISHING TO READ THE ZOHO.COM POLL COMMENTS WILL SEE A GREAT VARIETY OF COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF MY POLL AND ARTICLES, AS WELL AS CRITICISM, THAT I CAN LIVE WITH SINCE I AM NOT THE OBVIOUS MEGALOMANIAC YOU ARE! 

HERE IS BATVETTE'S DISINFORMATION:

Batvette,

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.

 

 

 

 

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.

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batvette

1. Where is your personal story of targeting?

2. Who administered an oath to Ted Gunderson?

3. Why does this list of things I "STATE" or 'DENY" only contain a handful of my actual words? Why do you feel the need to copy and paste this list of yours now dozens of times? If I had said these things or if their context had not been removed (such as the thick skin remark) wouldn't they sufficiently discredit me?

4. Where is your personal story of targeting?

5. Where is your personal story of targeting?

1
PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     TO CLARIFY:

     I BELIEVE THAT GANG STALKING IS A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM LED BY THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. THE FACT THAT IT IS NATIONWIDE AND VERY PROGRAMMATIC, SYSTEMATIC AND SYSTEMIC, AND, THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO WAY OF FUNDING ITSELF AS SUCH, DICTATE THAT IT IS THE GOVERNMENT BEHIND IT.

     MANY TOOLS, AS LISTED BY YOU, SUCH AS ORGANIZED CRIME, SNITCHES, ETC., ARE COERCED, BRIBED AND/OR MISLED INTO PARTICIPATION. BTW, YOUR LIST OF DUPES AND TOOLS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM IS FAR FROM EXCLUSIVE.

     ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO IT. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING PLAY IN THIS, AND NEVER HAVE MADE ANY AFFIRMATIVE REPRESENTATION THAT EITHER SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING ARE LINKED TO GANG STALKING. I DID NOT HAVE EDITORIAL CONTROL OVER THE GUNDERSON AFFIDAVIT, ALTHOUGH I HELPED TO DRAFT IT.

     BTW, ANYONE WISHING TO READ THE ZOHO.COM POLL COMMENTS WILL SEE A GREAT VARIETY OF COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF MY POLL AND ARTICLES, AS WELL AS CRITICISM, THAT I CAN LIVE WITH SINCE I AM NOT THE OBVIOUS MEGALOMANIAC YOU ARE! 

HERE IS BATVETTE'S DISINFORMATION:

Batvette,

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.

 

 

 

 

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.



Continue reading at NowPublic.com: How Widespread Is Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 3 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking#ixzz1dsIUpQmR

 

   

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PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     TO CLARIFY:

     I BELIEVE THAT GANG STALKING IS A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM LED BY THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. THE FACT THAT IT IS NATIONWIDE AND VERY PROGRAMMATIC, SYSTEMATIC AND SYSTEMIC, AND, THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO WAY OF FUNDING ITSELF AS SUCH, DICTATE THAT IT IS THE GOVERNMENT BEHIND IT.

     MANY TOOLS, AS LISTED BY YOU, SUCH AS ORGANIZED CRIME, SNITCHES, ETC., ARE COERCED, BRIBED AND/OR MISLED INTO PARTICIPATION. BTW, YOUR LIST OF DUPES AND TOOLS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM IS FAR FROM EXCLUSIVE.

     ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO IT. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING PLAY IN THIS, AND NEVER HAVE MADE ANY AFFIRMATIVE REPRESENTATION THAT EITHER SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING ARE LINKED TO GANG STALKING. I DID NOT HAVE EDITORIAL CONTROL OVER THE GUNDERSON AFFIDAVIT, ALTHOUGH I HELPED TO DRAFT IT.

     BTW, ANYONE WISHING TO READ THE ZOHO.COM POLL COMMENTS WILL SEE A GREAT VARIETY OF COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF MY POLL AND ARTICLES, AS WELL AS CRITICISM, THAT I CAN LIVE WITH SINCE I AM NOT THE OBVIOUS MEGALOMANIAC YOU ARE! 

HERE IS BATVETTE'S DISINFORMATION:

Batvette,

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.

 

 

 

 

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.



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batvette

 " Once caught in the web of the gang stalking Program, a target is subject to a full court press that invades every aspect of their life and is calculated to destroy that person."

Please describe how the same effect is not being accomplished against a person prone to paranoia when he's read and believes the wealth of unsubstantiated disinfo you present here? Why would you want to terrorize people like this?

Of all the claims you make in this article, which of these can you personally bear witness to seeing with your own eyes? Seems to me the whole article is the author's collection of things they heard others talking about on the internet.

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PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     TO CLARIFY:

     I BELIEVE THAT GANG STALKING IS A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM LED BY THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. THE FACT THAT IT IS NATIONWIDE AND VERY PROGRAMMATIC, SYSTEMATIC AND SYSTEMIC, AND, THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO WAY OF FUNDING ITSELF AS SUCH, DICTATE THAT IT IS THE GOVERNMENT BEHIND IT.

     MANY TOOLS, AS LISTED BY YOU, SUCH AS ORGANIZED CRIME, SNITCHES, ETC., ARE COERCED, BRIBED AND/OR MISLED INTO PARTICIPATION. BTW, YOUR LIST OF DUPES AND TOOLS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM IS FAR FROM EXCLUSIVE.

     ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO IT. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING PLAY IN THIS, AND NEVER HAVE MADE ANY AFFIRMATIVE REPRESENTATION THAT EITHER SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING ARE LINKED TO GANG STALKING. I DID NOT HAVE EDITORIAL CONTROL OVER THE GUNDERSON AFFIDAVIT, ALTHOUGH I HELPED TO DRAFT IT.

     BTW, ANYONE WISHING TO READ THE ZOHO.COM POLL COMMENTS WILL SEE A GREAT VARIETY OF COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF MY POLL AND ARTICLES, AS WELL AS CRITICISM, THAT I CAN LIVE WITH SINCE I AM NOT THE OBVIOUS MEGALOMANIAC YOU ARE! 

HERE IS BATVETTE'S DISINFORMATION:

Batvette,

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.

 

 

 

 

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.



Continue reading at NowPublic.com: How Widespread Is Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 3 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking#ixzz1dsIUpQmR

 

         

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Liz Blandra

Batvette asks, "Why would you want to terrorize people like this?....... Only those behind this sadistic program can provide the definitive answer to that question.  But terrorizing people they are. 

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batvette

Is there a particular reason you behave like an impetuous toddler and continue to post spam rather then discuss issues like an adult?


Why won't you answer this:

1. where is your personal TI account?

2. who administered an oath to ted gunderson?

3. why do virtually all these things you say I state (save the thick skin thing which you removed the context) not state my words but yours? Do you need instruction on how to use the copy/paste feature of windows? It's quite easy, even an impetuous lying toddler who displays evidence of a serious mental condition  can learn in no time at all and soon not be putting words in people's mouths for petty personal attacks! It's fun, try it!

4. Where is your personal TI account?

 It borders on the absurd you've been filing cases in federal court demanding action for a crime which puts the lives of people in danger and destined for ruin yet you haven't felt compelled to sit down and compile for the record how all of it includes yourself.

Any judge or jury which hears such a case would have a hard time taking you seriously, and it all smacks of John Kerry's bullshyte congressional "testimony" back in the 70's. He witnessed no actual war crimes nor did most of those pretenders he coerced statements  from, but went to Congress implying he did. All of the claims amounted to "some stuff was done by some people for the hell of it", noticeably absent were any details like NAMES of the guilty, WHEN the crimes took place, WHERE specifically, and WHY they happened.

You're repeating stuff you hear others on the internet talking about. You're either one f u c k ing incompetant fool of an attorney, a pretender, or both if you think that general claims of non events as hearsay will get or even deserve a day in court.

That's all you have ever compiled, hearsay from others of non events. Without your own TI story no one should take you seriously as being a victim of anything. Why wouldn't a victim detail the crimes that happen to them? Only if they are lying.

1
PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     TO CLARIFY:

     I BELIEVE THAT GANG STALKING IS A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM LED BY THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. THE FACT THAT IT IS NATIONWIDE AND VERY PROGRAMMATIC, SYSTEMATIC AND SYSTEMIC, AND, THE FACT THAT IT HAS NO WAY OF FUNDING ITSELF AS SUCH, DICTATE THAT IT IS THE GOVERNMENT BEHIND IT.

     MANY TOOLS, AS LISTED BY YOU, SUCH AS ORGANIZED CRIME, SNITCHES, ETC., ARE COERCED, BRIBED AND/OR MISLED INTO PARTICIPATION. BTW, YOUR LIST OF DUPES AND TOOLS PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM IS FAR FROM EXCLUSIVE.

     ALSO, GUNDERSON HAS STATED UNDER OATH THAT THERE IS SATANIC CULT INVOLVEMENT AND ALSO CHILD TRAFFICKING LINKED TO IT. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING PLAY IN THIS, AND NEVER HAVE MADE ANY AFFIRMATIVE REPRESENTATION THAT EITHER SATANIC CULTS OR CHILD TRAFFICKING ARE LINKED TO GANG STALKING. I DID NOT HAVE EDITORIAL CONTROL OVER THE GUNDERSON AFFIDAVIT, ALTHOUGH I HELPED TO DRAFT IT.

     BTW, ANYONE WISHING TO READ THE ZOHO.COM POLL COMMENTS WILL SEE A GREAT VARIETY OF COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF MY POLL AND ARTICLES, AS WELL AS CRITICISM, THAT I CAN LIVE WITH SINCE I AM NOT THE OBVIOUS MEGALOMANIAC YOU ARE! 

HERE IS BATVETTE'S DISINFORMATION:

Batvette,

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.

DENIES gang stalking involves flash mobs using social media  and IM to organize;

DENIES Noise Campaigns

DENIES Pychological sensitization and anchoring techniques;

DENIES the importance of Law Enforcement Officers like Lt.Larry Richard speaking out on gang stalking;

DENIES gang stalking involves large groups of people;

STATES that Lawrence Guzzino and most other targets who openly talk about their daily plight living with gang stalking are "crazy nutters"; 

STATES that gang stalking is something a person with "thick skin" can "easily live with";

THREATENS targets that if they speak he will destroy their stories "one by one";

BATVETTE IS ACTING LIKE A PERP NOT A TI.



Continue reading at NowPublic.com: How Widespread Is Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 3 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking#ixzz1dsIUpQmR



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Liz Blandra

Batvette seems to engage in something known as "black and white thinking."  He can't see the nuances and "shades of gray" in a given situation.  An example:  "That's all you have ever compiled, hearsay from others of non events. Without your own TI story no one should take you seriously as being a victim of anything. Why wouldn't a victim detail the crimes that happen to them? Only if they are lying."  No.  There are a number of reasons why victims may choose not to self-disclose on the internet.  But batvette sees it as a case of lying.   A case of lying and only a case of lying -- there's no room for anything in between.

2
Scrivener

Batvette = Your Pentagon/Homeland/Intel tax dollars at work, funding juvenile, incompetent psychological operations blog spamming, a multibilliondollar FRAUD on the American public.

 

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Scrivener

Apparently the fascist censorship regime has put a block on the URL nowpublic.com/scrivener. I am unable to access my own blog site main page. This censorship regime run by Lockheed Martin for U.S. government agencies/commands and the fusion center network is illicit, unconstitutional, and an affront to the constitutional rights of all Americans.

nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-censors-internet-political-speech-fraud-deception

NOTE: A check of the HTML code on this comment webform shows the insertion of malicious code -- "span," "nofollow," "wbr" commands -- inserted in the content, intended to satotage this comment and the link. Proves my point: the internet is being CENSORED by a fascist censorship regime run under USG contract by Lockheed Martin Information Systems and Global Solutions (as in, "FINAL SOLUTION?").

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Elizabeth Blandra

Here's what batvette had to say about "gangstalking type activities" a couple of weeks ago in another thread:.................... batvette stated:  "Note Jiverly Wong left a suicide note that clearly detailed gangstalking type activities. I need not backpedal on anything I've said then nor now as you obviously agree with me."  (at 17:08 on October 20th, 2011 posted to Why is Wikipedia Censoring Mainstream News about Gang Stalking?).......Repeating a piece of that comment:  "...Jiverly Wong left a suicide note that clearly detailed gangstalking type activities."

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Elizabeth Blandra

What follows is the letter that batvette said "clearly detailed gangstalking type activities."  (He wrote his comment just a couple of weeks ago.).................... Read the letter; read this thread; and read the "Is Wikipedia Censoring...." thread.  Then, reach your own conclusions.  There have been gang stalking-related murders, but batvette chooses to take swipes at other victims, rather than fighting this fight productively and constructively.  He's a classic bully.....................DATE: MARCH - 18 - 2009.................... DEAR: NEW TEN NOW.................... I AM JiVERLY WONG SHOOTING THE PEOPLE.................... THE FiRST I WANT TO SAY SORRY I KNOW A LiTTLE ENGLiSH I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THiS. OF COURSE YOU NEED TO KNOW WHY I SHOOTING? BECAUSE UNDERCOVER COP GAVE ME A LOT OF ASS DURiNG EiGHTEEN YEARS. I GOT SEVEN YEARS AND EiGHT MONTH DELiVERY TO GROCERY IN THE CALiFORNiA. CAME BACK NEW YORK ON THE AUGUST - 2007. LET TALK ABOUT WHEN I LiVE IN CALiFORNiA. SUCH AS. . .COP USED 24 HOURS THE TECHNiQUE OF ULTRAMODERN AND CAMERA FOR BURN THE CHEMiCAL IN MY HOUSE. FOR SWiTCH THE CHANNEL Ti.Vi. FOR ADJUST THE FAN. FOR MADE ME UNBREATHBLE. FOR MADE ME VOMiT. FOR CONNECT THE MUSiC INTO MY EAR..................... UNDERCOVER COP USUAL COiNED SOME NASTY WAS NOT TRUE ABOUT ME AND SPREAD A RUMOUR TO THE RECEiVER AND SOME PEOPLE KNOW ME CONDUCE TOWARD MANY PEOPLE PREJUDiCED AND SELFiSH TO ME . . . COP MADE ME LOST MY JOB . . . COP PUT ME BECAME POOR..................... LET TALK ABOUT WHEN I LiVE AT THE 28.BAKER . ST. 2ND FLOOR. JOHNSON CiTY. NEW YORK 13790. IT TERRiBLE WHEN I LiVE THERE SUCH AS. . COP WAiT UNTiL MiDNiGHT WHEN I OFF THE LiGHT AND WENT TO THE BED. COP UNLOCK MY DOOR AND CAME IN TAKE A SiT IN MY ROOM <<COP DiD IT THiRTEEN TiME ON THE YEAR 1994>> ON THE THiRTEEN TiME HAD THREE TiME TOUCH ME WHEN I SLEEPiNG. ONE TiME STOLEN 20 DOLLAR IN MY WALLET ONE TiME USED ELECTRiC GUN SHOOT AT THE BEHiND MY NECK. (THAT TiME I DiD NOT KNOW ENGLiSH).................... PLEASE CONTiNUE SECOND PAGE THANK YOU..................... (Page 2) FROM 1990 TO 1995 NEW YORK UNDERCOVER COP TRY TO GET A CAR ACCiDENT WiTH ME. SUCH AS WHEN I DRiViNG ON THE HiGHWAY AND ON THE STREET UNDERCOVER COP SUNDDENLY BRAKE THE CAR STOP IMMEDiATELY AT THE OF FRONT MY CAR . . . COP DiD IT 32 TiME LiKE THAT DURiNG 1990 TO 1995 BUT I NEVER HiT THE CAR..................... MANY TiME FROM 1990 TO 1997 AT THE DAY TiME . . . COP EXPLOiT UNKNON ENGLiSH AND WENT TO MY HOUSE KNOCK THE DOOR FOR HARASS AND DOMiNEER. OF COURSE DURiNG THAT TiME COP COiNED SOMETHiNG WAS NOT TRUE ABOUT ME AND SPREAD A RUMOUR NASTY LiKE THE CALiFORNiA COP..................... FROM AUGUST - 2007 UNTiL NOW COP GAVE ME NOT TO MUCH ASS ONLY ONE TiME COP LEAVE A MASSAGE IN MY VOiCE MAiL AND SAiD << COME BACK YOUR COUNTRY >> AFTER FIVE MiNUTE I SEND A TEXT MASSAGE TO THEM I SAiD I WILL CALL THE POLiCE AND THEY SEND IT BACK TO ME THEY SAiD THEY ARE THE POLiCE.................... DEAR. NEW TEN NOW. RiGHT NOW I STiLL GET UNEMPLOMENT BENEFiT OF THE COMPANY SHOP VAC ENDiCOTT. NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR WAS CHEAT AND UNPAiD FROM DECEMBER – 1st - 2008 TO DECEMBER – 28th – 2008. I ALREADY CLAiM WEEKLY BENEFiT FROM THAT DATE. ANY WAY I CAN NOT ACCEPTED MY POOR LiFE. BEFORE I CUT MY POOR LiFE I MUST ONESELF GET A JUDGE JOB FOR MAKE AN IMPARTiAL WiTH UNDERCOVER COP BY AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE WiTH ME GO TO RETURN TO THE DUST OF EARTH..................... ALREADY IMPARTiAL NOW. . .COP BRiNG ABOUT THiS SHOOTiNG COP MUST RESPONSiBLE. AND YOU HAVE A NiCE DAY.

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Elizabeth Blandra

What follows is the letter that batvette said "clearly detailed gangstalking type activities."  (He wrote his comment just a couple of weeks ago.).................... Read the letter; read this thread; and read the "Is Wikipedia Censoring...." thread.  Then, reach your own conclusions.  There have been gang stalking-related murders, but batvette chooses to take swipes at other victims, rather than fighting this fight productively and constructively.  He's a classic bully..................... DATE: MARCH - 18 - 2009.................... DEAR: NEW TEN NOW.................... I AM JiVERLY WONG SHOOTING THE PEOPLE.................... THE FiRST I WANT TO SAY SORRY I KNOW A LiTTLE ENGLiSH I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THiS. OF COURSE YOU NEED TO KNOW WHY I SHOOTING? BECAUSE UNDERCOVER COP GAVE ME A LOT OF ASS DURiNG EiGHTEEN YEARS. I GOT SEVEN YEARS AND EiGHT MONTH DELiVERY TO GROCERY IN THE CALiFORNiA. CAME BACK NEW YORK ON THE AUGUST - 2007. LET TALK ABOUT WHEN I LiVE IN CALiFORNiA. SUCH AS. . .COP USED 24 HOURS THE TECHNiQUE OF ULTRAMODERN AND CAMERA FOR BURN THE CHEMiCAL IN MY HOUSE. FOR SWiTCH THE CHANNEL Ti.Vi. FOR ADJUST THE FAN. FOR MADE ME UNBREATHBLE. FOR MADE ME VOMiT. FOR CONNECT THE MUSiC INTO MY EAR..................... UNDERCOVER COP USUAL COiNED SOME NASTY WAS NOT TRUE ABOUT ME AND SPREAD A RUMOUR TO THE RECEiVER AND SOME PEOPLE KNOW ME CONDUCE TOWARD MANY PEOPLE PREJUDiCED AND SELFiSH TO ME . . . COP MADE ME LOST MY JOB . . . COP PUT ME BECAME POOR..................... LET TALK ABOUT WHEN I LiVE AT THE 28.BAKER . ST. 2ND FLOOR. JOHNSON CiTY. NEW YORK 13790. IT TERRiBLE WHEN I LiVE THERE SUCH AS. . COP WAiT UNTiL MiDNiGHT WHEN I OFF THE LiGHT AND WENT TO THE BED. COP UNLOCK MY DOOR AND CAME IN TAKE A SiT IN MY ROOM <<COP DiD IT THiRTEEN TiME ON THE YEAR 1994>> ON THE THiRTEEN TiME HAD THREE TiME TOUCH ME WHEN I SLEEPiNG. ONE TiME STOLEN 20 DOLLAR IN MY WALLET ONE TiME USED ELECTRiC GUN SHOOT AT THE BEHiND MY NECK. (THAT TiME I DiD NOT KNOW ENGLiSH).................... PLEASE CONTiNUE SECOND PAGE THANK YOU..................... (Page 2) FROM 1990 TO 1995 NEW YORK UNDERCOVER COP TRY TO GET A CAR ACCiDENT WiTH ME. SUCH AS WHEN I DRiViNG ON THE HiGHWAY AND ON THE STREET UNDERCOVER COP SUNDDENLY BRAKE THE CAR STOP IMMEDiATELY AT THE OF FRONT MY CAR . . . COP DiD IT 32 TiME LiKE THAT DURiNG 1990 TO 1995 BUT I NEVER HiT THE CAR..................... MANY TiME FROM 1990 TO 1997 AT THE DAY TiME . . . COP EXPLOiT UNKNON ENGLiSH AND WENT TO MY HOUSE KNOCK THE DOOR FOR HARASS AND DOMiNEER. OF COURSE DURiNG THAT TiME COP COiNED SOMETHiNG WAS NOT TRUE ABOUT ME AND SPREAD A RUMOUR NASTY LiKE THE CALiFORNiA COP..................... FROM AUGUST - 2007 UNTiL NOW COP GAVE ME NOT TO MUCH ASS ONLY ONE TiME COP LEAVE A MASSAGE IN MY VOiCE MAiL AND SAiD << COME BACK YOUR COUNTRY >> AFTER FIVE MiNUTE I SEND A TEXT MASSAGE TO THEM I SAiD I WILL CALL THE POLiCE AND THEY SEND IT BACK TO ME THEY SAiD THEY ARE THE POLiCE.................... DEAR. NEW TEN NOW. RiGHT NOW I STiLL GET UNEMPLOMENT BENEFiT OF THE COMPANY SHOP VAC ENDiCOTT. NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR WAS CHEAT AND UNPAiD FROM DECEMBER – 1st - 2008 TO DECEMBER – 28th – 2008. I ALREADY CLAiM WEEKLY BENEFiT FROM THAT DATE. ANY WAY I CAN NOT ACCEPTED MY POOR LiFE. BEFORE I CUT MY POOR LiFE I MUST ONESELF GET A JUDGE JOB FOR MAKE AN IMPARTiAL WiTH UNDERCOVER COP BY AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE WiTH ME GO TO RETURN TO THE DUST OF EARTH..................... ALREADY IMPARTiAL NOW. . .COP BRiNG ABOUT THiS SHOOTiNG COP MUST RESPONSiBLE. AND YOU HAVE A NiCE DAY.

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Liz Blandra

batvette's words (Go to:  www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-new-doj-foia-documents-prove-doj-knows-truth, posted in September of 2010) ......... No offence guys but I just dont see why its so hard for any of you to provide some kind of real evidence about this.......... What would you consider "real evidence"? The presumption is the whole point is to make the target appear to have mental issues, while using technology that verifiably exists and the gov't admits it must test on its own citizens, but is undetectable by any equipment available to the public, to harass people and make living a productive life impossible. The roles of individuals presumed to be volunteering for this for "public service" pre-empts any overt criminal activity on their part. ......... Click on my user name and go to a video I have on youtube showing an incident 2 years ago in my yard. Those people were doing something much more than finding a frisbee in open sight. What does it prove to you? Nothing, of course. ......... Another thing I dont understand is why the hell anyone would bother wasting all that effort to harrass people when it achieves nothing.......... In my case without offering incriminating testimony I can say there are tangible reasons for these people, assuming they are who people think they are, to run me out of town so to speak. However for others the reasons may be less clear but consider this: What does the military do when it waits around for the next war to start? It practices. It drills. The police do the same with their SWAT teams. ......... Achieves nothing? Considering we think a lot of government may be at the heart of this, when has that been a requirement? Not like they'd create chaos to give themselves something to do, huh? ......... This is about command and control of society, if no real bad guys exist in a certain neighborhood they will presumably pick someone they can justify putting into the grinder to keep the troops busy, and this leaves me with the most disturbing point of all:......... It's likely not about US at all. Not the value or benefit of getting rid of us, but keeping a certain segment of society busy- whether employed or volunteer. ......... If you are still having a hard time getting your mind on this, ask yourself this:......... Why do  some men go to great trouble to go hunting.... when there is plentiful meat at their local store, much cheaper and less trouble? ......... Have you ever known anyone who was really ruthless... needed to kick someone's ass on a regular basis, say, weekly- or they didn't feel satisfied? I have. On a lesser scale there are those whose sociopathic tendancies need to be satisfied to keep them productive in society. If they weren't "hunting" us what would they be doing?......... It is believed the government was very worried about the growing right wing militant-anarchist movements in the late 90's after Waco and Ruby Ridge. One thing we can verify as factual is that the government went to great lengths to recruit people after 9/11 into active roles policing their communities for "terrorists". ......... There are no ****ing terrorists in our communities. I used to get a few of my friends together on friday after we got paid and split a big bag of pot. I made little secret of it. According to the government I am a narco-terrorist. ......... This is facism at work. You can disbelieve it, or be vigilant against it.

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Elizabeth Blandra

That's a quote.  Those are batvette's words.  All of them.

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batvette

Conspicuously missing is any stupid shyte about people clicking pens in my presence or freaking out over seeing a person on crutches.

You have made no point in searching far and wide and compiling my stories over the years except:
 

All my statements were made in good intent based on what I witnessed personally and believed it was at the time....

At no point does any of it conflict yet over time some rhetoric evolved.

At no point did you find me making claims as fact I'd read from others, adding to hysteria and a pool of disinformation.

Most importantly you can't find a single lie can you? Not like this "Ted Gunderson stated under oath" malarky.

No you have the story of a real TI who looked for answers and over time has come to realize there is a lot of fiction being written about this issue and I'm damn sick of it. I do not know what the truth is but can spot bullshyte a mile away so for now that is activism for me.

Now please describe why MY credibility is even up for discussion  when I have been so open and candid for years but you refuse to tell anything about your story. You don't sound like a victim of anything to me.

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PeaceFrog

     Whether your previous position on gang stalking is in any way consistent with your more recent comments is a matter for the readers to decide. I find your positions to be highly inconsistent.

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FaithlessTemplar

I am the poster who batvette was replying to in blanchas quote, I fail to see any real inconsistency in his comments then and now.

I was and indeed remain, sceptical that any of this gangstalking is in fact going on. I do not doubt that people have been stalked by more than one person, I am certain it has been happening. What I dont buy is that its controlled by some massive government conspiracy. I think its just groups of unrelated people being dickheads.

There are some posters here, the 1, batvette and you yourself peacefrog, who cause me to listen with an open mind as you dont seem like fools, liars or crackpots. The vast majority however DO display obvious signs of mental illness/neurosis.

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The 1

Liz Blandra (not verified), Elizabeth Blandra (not verified), anonymously commenting (not verified), etc my only question here is, if you don't mind me asking, what is your relationship with PeaceFrog in this issue ? Are you also a lawyer, or work with PeaceFrog ?

I'm sure you both realize this discussion with batvette is only going in a circle. Not the best approach if you're both lawyers. Might want to step back and consider this, as this strategy isn't exactly working.

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batvette

You know it's becoming tiresome having my positions distorted and words put in my mouth about what  I STATE then your words follow but You've just inadvertently provided ironclad proof of my credibility and I'm walking away from this juvenile circus of lies of yours after pointing it out. Im my statement above from years ago I said:

"One thing we can verify as factual is that the government went to great lengths to recruit people after 9/11 into active roles policing their communities for "terrorists". ......."

That is exactly, almost to the last word, what I claimed this week in the other thread. I make no claims as fact I cannot verify and I strongly oppose this swirling cesspool of disinformation being circulated by so called "activists"  who say they are "trying to get the truth out" that people going about their everyday lives around then are interpreted under the stupidest logic to be gangstalking them. My story published long ago you posted contains descriptions of actual stalking events I went through. Not someone looked at me funny or jangled their keys or wore a red t shirt.

So you just have a nice day and entertain yourself  reading the story of a real TI and post all you like, as long as it's the whole post. As you just did above you'll only make me look good.

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PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     You are completely full of Shyte. You complain about other people quoting disparaging remarks you have made making light of gang stalking and mocking gang stalking victims like Guzzino, then you quote one of your own comments out of context.

     No one misqouted you or quoted you out of context. If you did not mean to call Guzzino crazy, say gang stalking was nothing a person with thick skin could not live without, etc, then be a man and apologize. If you meant it then own it!

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