How Widespread Is Gang Stalking?

by PeaceFrog | November 10, 2011 at 09:10 am
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“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face
with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”

J. Edgar Hoover on COINTELPRO

     There have been books, articles, blogs, commentary, Youtube videos, etc., detailing what victims call gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques. To my knowledge, there has not been any attempt to quantify gang stalking in the U.S. in terms of the total number of participants. By participants, I mean gang stalking victims, members of gang stalking groups, flash mobs involved in community mobbing of gang stalking victims, and, persons and entities who play a peripheral role in related workplace mobbing and systematic isolation of the gang stalking target. 

      Once caught in the web of the gang stalking Program, a target is subject to a full court press that invades every aspect of their life and is calculated to destroy that person. The process is highly formulaic programmatic, systematic and systemic. Key to the destruction of a gang stalking target is a full penetration and infiltration of their environs, including their constant surveillance and harassment in their home, workplace/school mobbing of the target, and target's isolation from friends and family members. This is done in a highly formulaic, programmatic, systematic and systemic manner. This article seeks to extrapolate, largely from circumstantial evidence, how large the gang stalking Program is in terms of persons and entities involved. This article will also look at gang stalking activities and related funding issues to assess who is ultimately behind the funding and control of the gang stalking Program.      

     The starting point is the assessment of the number of victims of the gang stalking Program. The author made a FOIA request to DOJ after their release of Stalking Victimization in the United States, in January of 2009. In that FOIA request, the author asked DOJ how many victims of 3 or more stalkers were reporting that the multiple stalkers were acting in concert as a team or group. The author received a response showing, that according to DOJ statistics, 185,050 persons in the U.S. were being stalked by teams or groups of between "3" and "50" stalkers. See links:

  http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf

  http://www.osnanaimo.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf      

     The author previously wrote an article in which he pointed out flaws in the methodology used in the Stalking Report that resulted in an under-reporting of the number of gang stalking victims, and argued that an accurate number was at least 350,000. See link:

  http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-new-doj-foia-documents-prove-doj-knows-truth    

     In any event, this article will be using the range of 185,000 to 350,000 gang stalking Program victims in assessing the parameters of the Program in terms of persons involved in the Program. We will also consider gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques as widely and uniformly reported in various articles, blogs, books, commentary, the Urban Dictionary, etc., on the subject, to quantify the number of persons involved in the gang stalking Program from features of the Program widely and uniformly reported in the numerous accounts of the Program in articles, blogs, etc.    

     The first element of the gang stalking Program we will analyze is the constant surveillance and related harassment of the gang stalking victim 24/7/365 as is a widely and uniformly reported feature of the Program. From what is being reported, in terms of surveillance and related harassment, at least one member of a gang stalking group has to be surveilling a gang stalking target at all times. This means that at least one person is involved in surveilling the gang stalking victim 168 hours a week. This means that approximately 4 full-time jobs are involved in the constant surveillance of a single gang stalking Program victim. Since gang stalking victims are subject to harassment, conspicuous surveillance, flash mobbing, street theatre and related tactics everywhere they go, inside and outside their community, there are additional gang stalking group members involved in the illegal surveillance and related harassment of gang stalking victims in the community. Clearly, these groups multi-task surveillance and harassment activities against multiple gang stalking Program targets in a given community in which the respective gang stalking group operates. It is safe to say that at least a handful of gang stalking group members are needed to illegally surveill and harass a Program victim as they travel within and outside their communities. It is also clear that gang stalking groups multi-task and harass numerous targets that travel in and through a given community in which the particular gang stalking group operates. It is also conservative to estimate that at least one or two gang stalking members per target are involved in coordinating gang stalking activities against targets of the Program when said targets are "on the move" in addition to the bare minimum of 4 gang stalking group members needed to keep the Program target under constant surveillance. This equates to a total of 5 or 6 gang stalking group members per gang stalking target at minimum. If we take the conservative estimate of 5.5 gang stalking group members per target and apply it to our range of 185,000 to 350,000 we get about 1 million to 2 million gang stalking group members.    

     The gang stalking group members are drawn heavily from the Penal System under the guidance of the Department of Homeland Security. One victim, who is an ex-con, tried to post the following on the Wikipedia page on Stalking by Groups:

"Mostly the groups are x-cons or convicts released early out of jail or prison to join this program were to monitor and or track innocent people and report anything so they will end up in jail or even worse be assassinated by the group if the head agent in charge gives them a green lite on the persons life which means to kill them. I am a victim of this and not only my life but my children's lives are in danger because i am well aware of every thing they have done to me over the years."

Reverted 1 edit by 174.22.205.141 (talk)

      It is important to note that the 1 million to 2 million estimate of gang stalking group members is an estimate of the people coordinating the illegal surveillance and harassment against targets as part of a territorial, hierarchical group with a defined membership. This estimate does not include non-members who are loosely affiliated and join in on the gang stalking activities, such as flash mobbing and street theatre, on a semi-permanent or ad hoc basis. These semi-permanent members range from neighbors and community groups coerced, or misled by a slander campaign against the gang stalking target, into participation in the the Program, to vagrant types given a few bucks to participate. Most of the storefront businesses, community groups and many of the neighbors involved in the Program are not members of gang stalking groups, but, will harass and mistreat the gang stalking target because of coercion used against them by the gang stalking groups, or, because they buy into a slander campaign villifying the Program target as deserving of such treatment. Gang stalking Program targets represent a fraction of a percent of the communities they live in. The neighbors, storefront businesses, community groups coerced and/or misled into involvement in the gang stalking Program nationwide represent additional millions of participants in the Program.    

     In order to destroy the target, an infiltration of every aspect of that target's life is performed. This means that not only are neighbors and neighborhood businesses recruited to participate, but, that employers, friends and family members are turned against the target. This involves workplace mobbing at each workplace the Program target works. This also means that friends, associates, co-workers and blood relatives are subject to coercion and slander campaigns against the target. This requires the Program to reach dozens of individuals per target.     

    Most of the above-mentioned categories of people,to wit, neighbors, neighborhood groups, businesses, employers, friends, relatives, etc., are not gang stalking group members. Rather, these participantss, who are far more numerous than the 1 to 2 million gang stalking group members nationwide, participate in the Program because they are either coereced and/or misled by slander campaigns against the Program target. Gang stalking victims quickly realize that friends, co-workers, and even intimates are really "frenemies" looking to undermine them. Some of these frenemies are emotionally unstable, psychologically draining individuals with dysthymic disorder. More importantly, some of these frenemies are likely to have been placed on the gang stalking victim even before the active phase of gang stalking began. These frenemies are chosen because they are psychologically weak and some digging will reveal other questionable relationships in which these same frenemy tools have been placed on other gang stalking victims. Again, this happens to mirror the law enforcement practice of placing a "bad jacket" on a mark. Certain employers are gang stalking mills, intentionally hiring Program targets for workplace mobbing and constructive termination because their owners are particularly vulnerable to blackmail and other coercive tactics.  

      Below is a a link to the testimony of a gang stalker explaining "the syndicate" and its operations, funding, lingo, interactions with civil institutions, etc. The gang stalker describes a coercion daisy chain in which he too is at the mercy of the mob and would have to sacrifice his wife and family if ordered to by "higher ups". Of course, anyone weak-minded enough to follow this Program is blind to the wider implications of social engineering and political control technology imposed by the criminalized intelligence services using him as a tool of structural political oppression against the wider public. The public is ultimately seen as the enemy by the power elite and their well fed and trained dogs in the intelligence and security apparatus:

http://gangstalkingsurfers.wordpress.com/confessions-of-a-gang-stalker-aka-life-in-the-syndicate/

          All gang stalking targets experience an updated and refined version of McCarthy era blacklisting. This involves being hired, then, soon after, being subject to a hostile work environment, resulting in actual or constructive termination. Because of the sheer number of employers involved in this nefarious practice against gang stalking targets, as well as the fact that employers ranging from small businesses to large multinationals are involved, this neo-blacklisting can only be being orchestrated by the FBI, as was the case with McCarthyism. Unlike McCarthyism, neo-blacklisting, with its use of a hostile wok environment leading to actual or constructive termination, is not subject to the inference that a blacklisted target is being subject to defamation leading to un-employability, because they are indeed hired, then promptly set up for failure. Gang stalking targets’ “employment problems” start at the same time as their gang stalking starts. Most gang stalking targets, similar to victims of workplace mobbing, are actually better than average workers in their occupations.  

      All gang stalking targets experience workplace mobbing and academic mobbing. Ken Westhues, Sociology Professor Emeritus at University of Waterloo, Canada, writes about the causal link between academic and workplace mobbing and the rash of mass shootings:

"Most of the people who go postal, however, in academic as in other workplaces, have been mobbed there in preceding months or years."

http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/vtmassacre.htm

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/academic-study-links-mass-shootings-community-mobbing

     The term "community mobbing" is a defined term of art in the field of Sociology. Community mobbing is the systematic use of  bullying, rumor, innuendo, intimidation, humiliation, discrediting isolation, and general harassment in which the group ("mob") attacks a targeted individual:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing

     Academic studies have shown that mobbing has severe health consequences:

In mobbing targets with PTSD, Leymann notes that the "mental effects were fully comparable with PTSD from war or prison camp experiences. Some patients may develop alcoholism or other substance abuse disorders. Family relationships routinely suffer. Some targets may even develop brief psychotic episodes, generally with paranoid symptoms. Leymann estimated that 15% of suicides in Sweden could be directly attributed to workplace mobbing.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing#Mobbing_in_the_workplace    

     Calgary Professor Hugo A. Meynell has publicly compared workplace mobbing to ethnic cleansing, and, has described the workplace mobbing victim as "a little holocaust" happening daily in our civilized workplaces:

http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/meynell-hh.htm

     This country has now entered a phase of false "Democratism". This is an illusion of a two party system in which a plutocracy runs a right wing totalitarian state and hollows out any semblance of constitutional due process. The First, Second, and Fourth Amendments are particularly under siege. It appears that the operation of the American Red Guard/ American Stasi is meeting armed resistance. The mass shooting "epidemic" in America is a result of the occupation of the lives of gang stalking targets by the fascist operatus implemented against them by their government. Unlike the former U.S.S.R., Red China, Nazi Germany, etc., the widespread ownership of guns in civilian hands in America is at odds with the de facto national Gestapo system known as gang stalking. Ironically, as Wikileaks represented the example par excellence of a First Amendment insurgency against a proto-fascist America, so too, the mass shootings, however misguided the chosen targets, represent a Second Amendment revolt against fascist tyranny.

 http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

     The gang stalking Program is highly systematic, programmatic and systemic. Information about it dispensed to participants outside the gang stalking groups themselves is disinformational, misinformational and largely compartmentalized or "stovepiped". The total amount of Program participants, as described herein, can easily exceed 100 to every 1 gang stalking Program target. This means that 10% of the U.S. population may be participating in the gang stalking Program, most only having a vague notion of the larger Program called gang stalking by its victims. These numbers are consistent with the civil population involvement with the intelligence communities in former Eastern Bloc. It is noteworthy that the author has multiple sources stating that middle aged persons from the former Eastern Bloc, who are not even fluent in English, are participating in the gang stalking Program in the U.S., as if they imported the techniques directly from Eastern Europe. Similarly, the urban storefront businesses in this country are often run by immigrants originating from third world police states where noncompliance with authority is regularly met by brutal state reaction (disappearances, murder, rape, beatings, etc). This prior social conditioning of recent immigrants makes it easy work for the big city American police departments who run the gang stalking Program for the Feds to incorporate them into the Program.        

     Community-based policing, similar to gang stalking, is today, and has been for decades, the preferred tool of third-world societal control. A good example of this is Syria, where 20 percent of the population is working for the intelligence agencies. See: "When 20 per cent of the population is rumored to be in the intelligence service, it is no wonder, many prefer to keep their voices down in the light of day. But within a crowd, that fear is temporarily forgotten." Link to full story:

  http://rt.com/news/intelligence-violence-security-fear-243/

     In the U.S., the use of a growing percentage of the population in national "neighborhood watch Programs" has been instrumental in building a Stasi-like citizen spy network:

     In 1981, national data showed that 12 percent of the population was involved in some type of neighborhood watch group (O'Keefe and Mendelsohn, 1984). By 1988, it was estimated that between seven and 20 percent of residents of U.S. cities were involved in such activities (Rosenbaum, 1988). A national study (Whitaker, 1986) showed that 38 percent of households in neighborhoods that had a Neighborhood Watch program participated in the program. This study concluded that urban areas were more likely to have programs than suburban or rural areas, but that people living in the latter were likely to be involved in a program if one was organized. 

full link:

http://www.usaonwatch.org/about/neighborhoodwatch.aspx?

     This community policing model whether based on former Eastern Bloc countries, Syria, or gang stalking in the U.S., requires the deputizing, and putting on the payroll, a large swathe of the criminal element.

     What is also common about all community policing models, including gang stalking in America, is that only the government has the money to fund them. Neighbors moving into housing units surrounding a Program target. Gang stalking perps with no job or means driving around in new model trucks. Gang stalking is happening not only in big cities but in rural areas and every demographic in between. One can find reports of it happening in every state, every county, every city, and almost every town in America. We are talking about Billions of dollars in funding here. All segments of the social order are co-opted into the Program. Targets will experience harassment, such as street theate and mobbing, by vagrants, others on the welfare rolls, city workers, etc. The total societal penetration reaches into their doctors offices, employers, neighbors, etc., right out of the former Eastern Bloc playbook. 

     Some argue that narcotics and other rackets fund gang stalking which, unlike every other racket, has no self-funding mechanism. The problem with this explanation is that because of criminal defense legal fees, civil forfeiture, mandatory victim compensation laws, etc., it is increasingly the case that racketeering wealth is less likely to be passed on generationally than it is to be confiscated  and appropriated by the state.

     "Gang stalking groups" have a substantially identical modus operandi to the FBI's Special Surveillance Groups or "SSG's". These SSG's were developed in the 1970's to combat Soviet espionage. Today, these tactics have been taught to criminals, through FBI channels, for domestic COINTELPRO operations against American citizens. Anyone familiar with gang stalking will immediately understand the striking similarity by reviewing the following NPR links on SSG's:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P0UibgHIZg

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92207687

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/surveillance/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Surveillance_Group

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Spying_on_spy_Raw_Story_interviews_0612.html

     Yale Psychologist Stanley Milgram's "small world" experiment concluded that about 1 in 6 people were sufficient to link to every member of a population (this later became the "six degrees of separation" principle). The 1 million to 2 million estimate for gang stalking group members is sufficient to explain the manpower needed to coordinate constant fixed and mobile surveillance against gang stalking vicitims numbering in the hundreds of thousands. The number of people needed to explain the highly consistent gang stalking accounts of hundreds of thousands of Program victims nationwide is exponentially higher.

     The FBI and local police "red squad" units (Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) are not performing th grunt work of illegal surveillance and harassment of gang stalking targets. Rather, Snitches are being used to do the "community policing" and legwork for related COINTELPRO activities. These Snitches are essentially slave labor for law enforcement. The same model was used as the "Ghetto cop" by Nazis, and the "proletariat" citizen spy by the Communists. This country has a history of using criminal labor for social engineering campaigns. Ward Churchill documented the cultural Genocide of the American Indian as late as the 1980's. This was accomplished through sending Native American children to government "assimilation" camps run by criminals to separate them from their families and culture. The resulting beatings, rapes and other deprivations suffered as a result of this "assimilation" led to some of the highest unemployment, alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, etc., rates of any racial/ethnic demographic in American history. All the above is consistent with the trend of delegating much of "police work" to deputized criminal subagents. A great example is the statistic that 50% of federal narcotics cases are made through criminal informants; See link:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Snit

     Key to understanding the nefarious snitch system is not only recognizing the sheer number of snitches, but also understanding the concept of the police creating the "snitch for life". Deferred prosecution/deferred sentencing agreements give police at all levels of government the option of giving felons facing long-term or life sentences an indefinite deferment as long as they keep snitching. These agreements can be more or less formal, but, always entail continued deferment of punishment while the criminal continues cooperation with authorities through the voluntary waiver of the statute of limitations. Most people, including criminals, do not know that the statute of limitations (usually 5 years for federal felonies) can and is commonly waived by cooperating criminals. This means that career or part-time criminals, facing sentencing, for example, under Rockefeller drug laws, can become long-term assets informing for decades. They can operate and inform under changing scenarios as their employers, friends and associates change over time. The policy question here is, does the informant trading liability by shifting it to other criminals provide a "public service" by doing so? Can we consider this self-interested criminals information or testimony as being disinterested as in the case of a disinterested citizen witness? Hardly, I'd say.   

      The FBI can orchestrate gang stalking with little or no overt presence. This was how COINTELPRO was designed. Through infiltration and the cultivation of snitches, the FBI ferments division within targeted groups, such as organized crime. The desired result is increasing the factionalizing or splitting within targeted groups, and, between targeted groups, resulting in the self destruction and mutual destruction of FBI targeted groups. This is achieved with little or no traces of direct FBI activity within these groups. Essentially, the most effective thing about COINTELPRO, is psychological manipulation of the targeted groups' members.

     In the case of "generational victims", entire families are targeted by the Program for multiple generations. A key to understanding this is comprehending that systematic and systemic coercion will be used against both members of the nuclear and extended targeted family. Machiavellian "splitting" techniques as well as organized crime-style methods will be used to divide and destroy the targeted family. It is important to note that only a minority of these targeted families' members will experience full blown gang stalking (street theatre, flash mobbing, slander campaigns, intimate infiltration, employment sabotage, 24/7/365 surveillance and harassment, etc.). Some blogs and commentators write about a "preconditioning phase" before the onset of full blown gang stalking. During this preconditioning phase, the prospective future gang stalking victim is exposed to public rudeness, rudeness by employers, etc., to start breaking them down psychologically. The methods used during preconditioning to gang stalking are similar to predatory methods of cult abuse and MKULTRA-type abuse. Generational victims family members would all undergo the preconditioning phase of gang stalking, while only a minority of family members will proceed to full blown gang stalking. Ironically, the resilient, anti-authoritarian types will be of greater risk of becoming full blown gang stalking victims. The personalities of prospective gang stalking victims will be heavily profiled and any exploitable weaknesses duly noted during the preconditioning phase.

     The Leninist concept of organizing a "controlled opposition" is central to the gang stalking Program's cover-up. The FBI's use of controlled opposition (phony government operatives and groups posing as opposition) in COINTELPRO is well documented. Ward Churchill writes about this in the context of AIM, the KKK and other groups subjected to COINTELPRO in The COINTELPRO Papers linked below (this book is a must read for anyone who wants to understand COINTELPRO): 

http://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/Cointelpro_Papers.pdf

    The controlled opposition, which has its origins in Lenin's Soviet Union, and, Mao's Red Guard, is clearly at play in the gang stalking Program:

 "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.'"

Vladimir Lenin (the FBI has learned Lenin's teachings well).

     To give a historical analogue to gang stalking , the below linked film, Stasiland, examines the East German surveillance society that is considered the gold standard for the modern police state:

http://www.youtube.com/user/phrygian20?blend=22&ob=5#p/u/0/HClXxgCPAjY

     An excellent overview of the criminalization of American intelligence agencies is given by former N.O.C. MI-6 agent Christopher Story in his book New Underworld Order :

http://www.thinkorbeeaten.com/theknoll/rr/The_New_Underworld_Order%20-%20Christopher_Story.pdf

     Pay specific attention to Chapter 8, at p. 529, et. seq. Story's partial biography is found on his Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Story

     Retired Sheriff Richard Mack on the oath to the Constitution versus federal tyranny and cronyism:

http://www.nullifynow.com/2012/02/richard-mack-the-untouchable-bill-of-rights/

     Furthermore, upon information and belief, the author herein believes that the following mass murders are likely related to the "gang stalking" Program:

James E. Holmes

Terence Tyler

One L. Goh

Scott Dekraai         

John Turner
Yvonne Hiller
Amy Bishop
Shareef Allman
Jiverly Wong
Cho Seung-Hui

Ross Truett Ashley (visited same gun range as Cho Seung-Hui)
Abdo Ibssa
Nidal Malik Hassan
Jared Loughner

Christopher Nathen Elliot Travis

T.J. Lane

Andrew J. Engeldinger

Lawrence Jones

Raulie Wayne Casteel

Jacob Tyler Roberts

Jeffrey Lee Michael

Adam Lanza

William H. Spengler, Jr.

Bryan Oliver

Nehemiah Griego

Arthur Douglas Harmon

Christopher Jordan Dorner

 Nahn Lap Tran  

Ali Syed

Kurt R. Myers

James Oliver Seevakumaran

Dylan Quick

Neil MacInnis

See Appendix of link below:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/counterterrorism/ActiveShooter2012Edition.pdf 

          Note that the author is not claiming definitive proof of gang stalking in each case, but rather, indicia of gang stalking in each case. Moreover, the author is not claiming to know whether other incidents of mass violence relate back to the "gang stalking" Program, but he suspects there are other such incidents.      

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Why is Wikipedia Censoring Mainstream News about Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/why-wikipedia-censoring-mainstream-news-about-gang-stalking#ixzz1gGhM9yPz

    

 

 

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batvette

Guzzino comes off like a whiney little s h i t in that video, whether he is actually a victim of anything other than his own paranoia being fueled reading nonsense like you publish on the internet remains to be proven. I'm not going to apologize for calling them as I sees them.  All he claims is that he's been "followed around".  Doesn't seem to me that he tried to document this with cameras or anything.

Stop putting words in my mouth. If you can't put quotes around the whole statement then I didn't say it.

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PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     I've qouted your own words extensively. You continue to howl for victim testimonies while slamming gang stalking victims in harsh terms. You change arguments like underwear. If their is one thing TI's should heed after reading your own words, it's that they should be highly skeptical about your motives and exactly what agenda you are pursuing.

     Guzzino is a "whiny little s h i t" you write. What are you for mocking a gang stalking victim who lost his job, home and family?

     Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself how you live with yourself.

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batvette

All those copy/paste spams of yours where you say STATES blah blah blah are YOUR statements except one so GFY.

As for Guzzino I said he may be no more than a victim of reading some of YOUR hysteria inducing disinformation on the internet. Yeah he's a whiney little s h i t. He was almost in tears describing how he can't go anywhere without people "following him". Yet doesn't seem to have bothered spending a few dollars on a video camera to document it? Even when they "got up on his roof"? Why didn't he grab a camera and take their pictures, was he hiding under the bed?  Just like Scrivener, sounds like he'd rather be selling cookies for the troop than act like a man and take charge of his life. I pity his wife and offspring, not him.

And you, you can't be bothered to detail any crimes happening to YOU but want to join the global drama queening team about how traumatic it is "targets" have to endure the visual blight of the crippled or stand in line at the post office. I say "targets" because it's still unclear if this is happening to you or if you just enjoy the complaining part and acting judgemental- that "look in  the mirror" line was a real hoot.

Actually I don't think I can be found ridiculing anyone confirmed to be a victim of actual criminal activity, and it sure seems at this point what YOU describe as gangstalking(such as merely observing a person on crutches and other stupid shyte YOU claim) is only the imaginations of the delusional.

I put the above in bold and italics for a reason, if you quote it do not edit it. Sad I have to say it.

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PeaceFrog

BATVETTE,

     Anchoring and psychological sensitization are calculated to make the target appear crazy because they are used to "sensitize" that person to stimuli (e.g. red pick up trucks, red shirt) disproportinately. This is well documented and the fact that you cite a specific intance to discredit a sensitization process that occurs over long  periods of time is another PERP-LIKE tactic on your part.

     As far as Guzzino over-reacting to my stories, or gangstalkingworld.com, to the extent that he would lose his job, home and family, well common sense contradicts that shyster argument of yours.

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batvette

Where is it "well documented" a national scope program would go to enormous logistical expense and trouble buying red pickup trucks and having people drive by self absorbed shut ins in the hopes they'd read some of the stupid shyte you publish and they knew it should freak them out?

That's what you seem to be missing here. NORMAL BRAINS DON'T COUNT RED PICKUP TRUCKS. If you sat down a sane person and explained to them "okay now if you see "XX" number of red pickup trucks today it's all part of a calculated systematic program to ruin you" you know what hes gonna do?

He's gonna LAUGH in your face and everyone in a red truck for even considering the idea he's supposed to be ruined or go kill a dozen people.

But nope reject this. I'm a perp and I'm in on it for pointing out this could never have gotten off the ground without the delusional promoting a bunch of stupid shyte could ruin them.

Wouldn't the easy answer to these "tactics" be to simply PUT ON RED TINTED SUNGLASSES? There now, put your delusional mind at rest.

And your sock puppet's too.

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Liz Blandra

Batvette admits that he was naive/gullible in the past.  If he wasn't an astute observer then, we can safely conclude that we can't trust his perceptions now, either.

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batvette

I'm pretty sure I said something like "I resent for several years being misled by lying sacks of shyte like peacefrog but now have seen the light that his ilk are spreading disinformation that only appears to benefit his vanity".

How did he conclude people walking by on crutches were part of gangstalking?

Where is your TI story?

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PeaceFrog

     Psychological sensitization techniques and anchoring are nothing new. These techniques were extensively used to disrupt, destabilize and neutralize COINTELPRO targets decades ago. COINTELPRO was largely a psychological attack. Do not ask me to go through the Church Committee record, do your own fcukin homework.

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batvette

Stop avoiding the question.
What is the source of you claiming a single person walking by on crutches constitutes "gangstalking"?

That is NOT contained in the church report.

I just went through the church committee record, linked to by wiki. Can you show me where the phrase "psychological sensitization" appears even once in that report?

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PeaceFrog

     A single action or symbol can not be a basis for sensitization. It is the repeated exposure of some of action and/or symbol to the target that creates sensitization.

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Liz Blandra

You really don't get it, batvette.  You admit that you didn't "get it" then (you just thought that you did at the time).  Well, you quite clearly don't have a good understanding of the situation now, either.

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PeaceFrog

     Psychological sensitization techniques and anchoring are nothing new. These techniques were extensively used to disrupt, destabilize and neutralize COINTELPRO targets decades ago. COINTELPRO was largely a psychological attack. Do not ask me to go through the Church Committee record, do your own fcukin homework.

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Elizabeth Blandra

Having an inflated opinion of himself, batvette is frustrated by his inability to expose and stop gang stalking, so he takes it out on other targets whom he believes are somehow inferior.  (What conclusive documentation have you produced, batvette?)  Batvette is a classic bully -- his comments are revealing.

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Liz Blandra

Batvette admits that he was naive/gullible in the past.  If he wasn't an astute observer then, we can safely conclude that we can't trust his perceptions now.   And it bears repeating that he's a bully.  Do I wish that Guzzino hadn't cried?  Perhaps.  But do I understand the way that the GS/OS/EH process breaks people down to the point of appearing to be unstable?  Absolutely.  GS/OS/EH is a sadistic process designed to break people.  When it works, we shouldn't be surprised.

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batvette

It bears repeating that wiki commons ran a checkuser investigation on user Elizabeth Blandra and confirmed that Peacefrog71 was a  sockpuppet of the Elizabeth Blandra account. Wiki is quite thorough and was certain about it.

Where's your TI story? What are you hiding?

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Liz Blandra

Regarding the sockpuppet business, it just goes to show that things aren't always what they appear to be.  But, clearly, you'll believe whatever suits your purposes.  As to what I'm hiding?  Absolutely nothing.

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Liz Blandra

Batvette, regarding sockpuppetry:  "Wiki is quite thorough and was certain about it.".....  Batvette:   Even Wiki isn't perfect.  Even Wiki will make a mistake from time to time.  I've clearly stated that PeaceFrog and I collaborated on a Wiki project.  Furthermore, I've been quite clear, that there's a fine line, at times, between sockpuppetry and collaboration.  It's a non-issue, but you'll persist in trying to make it one.  It's ridiculous......... We're dealing with something that most agree is akin to fascism.  Many agree that Jiverly Wong was being gang stalked.  This is what we're up against.  It makes absolutely no sense at all to be arguing about details that only obscure the root problem.  "Gang stalking" -- for lack of a better term -- is a life-threatening issue.  Don't get lost in the details, kiddo.

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Liz Blandra

And you come off like an arrogant asshole.  And not a very bright one, at that.  You stated, "Doesn't seem to me that he tried to document this with cameras or anything.  Well, let's see.  He was successful in getting KION to do a story on gang stalking.  And, in that story, Lt. Larry Richard admitted that there is such a thing as "gang stalking."  You don't like the story or the results?  That's your problem, kiddo.

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batvette

What were the results of this story, which had a man practically sobbing that he'd been "followed around everywhere he went" and the announcer stated it he had claimed he'd been followed around but he had developed a paranoia that had destroyed his relationships. What was the result of this, where's the big progress? I'll tell you: One step forward in your eyes, two steps back in the eyes of the public who knows you don't call the police and claim you're being followed around without identifying someone.

Honestly if this guy's neighbors weren't harrassing him before they will now.

The larger story is this paranoia that ruined him was not likely caused by anything other than hysteria induced by websites on "gangtalking".

I would posit the police even giving him the time of day is similar to them telling people to put tin foil in their hat to get rid of them.

 

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PeaceFrog

Batvette,

     IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE SAYING: COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING GANGSTALKED=PARANOIA + GANGSTALKING WEBSITES= FUELING HYSTERIA= GROUP DELUSION=TIN FOIL HAT BRIGADE.

     YOU MAKE YOUR POSITION CLEAR.

   SO NOW STFU!!!!!!!!

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Liz Blandra

Who and what you are is abundantly clear, batvette.  If you're really a target, well, shame on you, kiddo.  You might try to get some help to sort it out.  If you don't think that Guzzino helped matters, you might take a good, long look in the mirror.  (And the whole sockpuppet thing?  Much ado about nothing, but you're clearly someone who believes what he wants to believe.  And, hello?  Do you really think that I would have come here and posted as "Elizabeth Blandra" if I were trying to hide or obscure my work on Wikipedia?) That ol' "black and white thinking" thing is dangerous, batvette.  When people mature, they begin to see the shades of gray.

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batvette

You've never answered the question: Were you posting in the other thread as both Elizabeth Blandra AND anonymously commenting, or not?

Do "mature" people spam arguments with multiple copy/pasting a dozen times over the same posts.... post under multiple pseudonyms... say that a person "STATES:" something then paraphrases it with statements not their own?

And about gangstsalking, when Peacefrog  is "educating" targets that the mere sight of a person on crutches is "part of the gangstalking motiff" where does this belief come from? I have mentioned this a dozen times now and he won't discuss why he is saying this.
This, the red pickup trucks, the red shirts, he is going to say now I
 am denying ALL claims by ANYONE about "sensitization".

NO I want to know why he is putting specific silly ideas in people's heads with no rational basis. Count the number of "s's" in this post. Lots of them, wouldn't it be crazy to say I was sensitizing you to the letter "s"?

It's the kind of crap he's encouraging, this will never be taken seriously.

He published that malarky about people on crutches in the Shia Lebouf article, I think he should explain why he's claiming this.

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PeaceFrog

     If you knew about sensitization (and I suspect you do) the object or action used as an anchor is arbitrary and only becomes meaningful to the psychologically sensitized person through repetitive exposure. Someone could be sensitized to the letter "s" in the same fashion someone else was sensitized to a swastika or yellow star.Maybe you should ask some surviving relatives from Europe about that.

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batvette

Stop trying to magnify the scope of stupid shyte any wider than the disinformation YOU have been spreading.

You claim in your Shia Lebeouf article that a person merely walking by on crutches is "part of the gangstalking motiff".

What leads you to conclude this? Explain how this is not simply pulling nonsense out of your ass for TI's to terrorize themselves and the public to think we are all callous, self absorbed and should be treated with utter contempt for complaining someone much worse off than us is an eysore that would ruin us to observe?

I'll come out and say this is my inherent problem you've yet to explain away about YOUR activism: Just thinking it would actually be happening like that doesn't make you just crazy- it makes you the kind of crazy that people WANT to hate: selfish, no pity for anyone else's problems in the world, like a cripple hobbling around on crutches probably in pain with every step is a bed of nails, but you want the world to screech to a halt and move 20 mattresses to remove the pea beneath yours.

This same attention whoring, drama queening attitude has you trying to equate your utterly stupid person on crutches delusion with surviving the holocaust? You're just amazing!

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PeaceFrog

     So when we hear about Pam Anderson's recent suicide in California, and those other suicides known to the community, we should consider their plights as "peas beneath them", a mere trivial inconcenience. People were hung in Nuremberg for actions stemming from such callous disregard for human rights.

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batvette

Here ou go AGAIN "Pam Anderson". WTF does she have to do with this? You are not her!  Did she say "oh my god if I have to endure the visual blight of many more of you damn cripples well I'm going on a shooting spree!" Referring to someone ELSE's problems to justify YOUR moronic claims, hmm, there seems to be a pattern here...

I'm talking ABOUT YOU BEING SUCH A CALLOUS AND SELFISH PINHEAD THE FIRST THING THAT POPPED INTO YOUR HEAD WHEN YOU SAW A CRIPPLE WAS NOT COMPASSION FOR HIM BUT THINKING HE WAS PUT THERE JUST TO ANNOY YOU.

You gotta be some kind of just evil "oh world come please kick my ass" crazy to think like that. I'm envisioning the psycho in the first Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry movie. You know, he pays the big black guy to beat the crap out of him to set up Harry, and enjoyed it?

The ONLY kind of person who could EVEN IMAGINE such a thing is a paranoid jackhole.

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PeaceFrog

     I've talked to dozens of targets who did not know one another, and described similar psychological sensitization techniques being used against them. A big one is the color red. I've had targets from different states and across the country describe being swarmed by red trucks in traffic, followed by gang stalkers with bright red t-shirts, etc.

      You can dismiss any given account of anchoring and psychological sensitization as "anecdotal" or "coincidental", but when you have made an actual effort to listen to targets describe these tactics, in New York, Florida, Iowa, Massachusetts, California, etc., it starts looking like flipping a coin 100 times and getting heads. People are not experiencing these things randomly. I have found other similar trendds in many target's narratives that are a lot more sinister than sensitization and are not being talked about much on these sites. These trends lead to a motive that I am sure has not escaped the attention of the Justice Department.

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batvette

Stop changing the subject. YOU made that claim that a person on crutches is sensitization and it's DUMB. It's clear you are no target as all you can talk about is what others claim.

As for not being random well that's pretty silly, they read the standard disinfo YOU and others publish. So what would happen if they stopped paying attention to red T shirts?

NOW WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR YOUR CLAIM ABOUT PEOPLE ON CRUTCHES? YOU MADE IT UP AND IT'S DISINFO.

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PeaceFrog

     YOU want to speak of being skeptical of someone's motive or agenda being underhanded? YOU made numerous comments that are highly disparaging and dismissive about gang stalking and even stated that targets relaying gang stalking methods were "crazy nutters". YOU, by your own words revealed yourself as an enemy of gang stalking victims dozens of times for all to read in the comments to my stories.

     Your tactic of taking a single example of psychological sensitization and dismissing it, without looking at the broader picture, makes YOU look like a PERP.

     As far as an UNBIASED examination of what the psychological sensitization and related anchoring is, targets can get an overview from David Lawson's book (which you do not have the balls to criticize even though he states all the standard gang stalking techniques used against victims you label as "crazy") gangstalkingworld.com, multistalkervictims.com, and other sites known to be reliable by targets.

     Why is it that YOU do not spend more time digging for the truth and less as a half-cocked critic? Nobody even reads your stories.

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batvette

My disparaging remarks have mainly been focused on YOUR blatant disinformation.

Why do you refuse to discuss the propaganda and false information you have been misleading TI's with?

Why do you keep deflecting these questions about nonsense YOU post toward the stories of others?

Why do you claim a person on crutches is part of gangstalking? Are you hoping TI's will repeat it and look as big of a jackhole as you?

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