How Widespread Is Gang Stalking?

by PeaceFrog | November 10, 2011 at 09:10 am

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“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face
with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”

J. Edgar Hoover on COINTELPRO

There have been books, articles, blogs, commentary, Youtube videos, etc., detailing what victims call gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques. To my knowledge, there has not been any attempt to quantify gang stalking in the U.S. in terms of the total number of participants. By participants, I mean gang stalking victims, members of gang stalking groups, flash mobs involved in community mobbing of gang stalking victims, and, persons and entities who play a peripheral role in related workplace mobbing and systematic isolation of the gang stalking target.

Once caught in the web of the gang stalking Program, a target is subject to a full court press that invades every aspect of their life and is calculated to destroy that person. The process is highly formulaic programmatic, systematic and systemic. Key to the destruction of a gang stalking target is a full penetration and infiltration of their environs, including their constant surveillance and harassment in their home, workplace/school mobbing of the target, and target's isolation from friends and family members. This is done in a highly formulaic, programmatic, systematic and systemic manner. This article seeks to extrapolate, largely from circumstantial evidence, how large the gang stalking Program is in terms of persons and entities involved. This article will also look at gang stalking activities and related funding issues to assess who is ultimately behind the funding and control of the gang stalking Program.

The starting point is the assessment of the number of victims of the gang stalking Program. The author made a FOIA request to DOJ after their release of Stalking Victimization in the United States, in January of 2009. In that FOIA request, the author asked DOJ how many victims of 3 or more stalkers were reporting that the multiple stalkers were acting in concert as a team or group. The author received a response showing, that according to DOJ statistics, 185,050 persons in the U.S. were being stalked by teams or groups of between "3" and "50" stalkers. See links:

http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf

http://www.osnanaimo.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf

The author previously wrote an article in which he pointed out flaws in the methodology used in the Stalking Report that resulted in an under-reporting of the number of gang stalking victims, and argued that an accurate number was at least 350,000. See link:

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-new-doj-foia-documents-prove-doj-knows-truth

In any event, this article will be using the range of 185,000 to 350,000 gang stalking Program victims in assessing the parameters of the Program in terms of persons involved in the Program. We will also consider gang stalking and gang stalking methods/techniques as widely and uniformly reported in various articles, blogs, books, commentary, the Urban Dictionary, etc., on the subject, to quantify the number of persons involved in the gang stalking Program from features of the Program widely and uniformly reported in the numerous accounts of the Program in articles, blogs, etc.

The first element of the gang stalking Program we will analyze is the constant surveillance and related harassment of the gang stalking victim 24/7/365 as is a widely and uniformly reported feature of the Program. From what is being reported, in terms of surveillance and related harassment, at least one member of a gang stalking group has to be surveilling a gang stalking target at all times. This means that at least one person is involved in surveilling the gang stalking victim 168 hours a week. This means that approximately 4 full-time jobs are involved in the constant surveillance of a single gang stalking Program victim. Since gang stalking victims are subject to harassment, conspicuous surveillance, flash mobbing, street theatre and related tactics everywhere they go, inside and outside their community, there are additional gang stalking group members involved in the illegal surveillance and related harassment of gang stalking victims in the community. Clearly, these groups multi-task surveillance and harassment activities against multiple gang stalking Program targets in a given community in which the respective gang stalking group operates. It is safe to say that at least a handful of gang stalking group members are needed to illegally surveill and harass a Program victim as they travel within and outside their communities. It is also clear that gang stalking groups multi-task and harass numerous targets that travel in and through a given community in which the particular gang stalking group operates. It is also conservative to estimate that at least one or two gang stalking members per target are involved in coordinating gang stalking activities against targets of the Program when said targets are "on the move" in addition to the bare minimum of 4 gang stalking group members needed to keep the Program target under constant surveillance. This equates to a total of 5 or 6 gang stalking group members per gang stalking target at minimum. If we take the conservative estimate of 5.5 gang stalking group members per target and apply it to our range of 185,000 to 350,000 we get about 1 million to 2 million gang stalking group members.

The gang stalking group members are drawn heavily from the Penal System under the guidance of the Department of Homeland Security. One victim, who is an ex-con, tried to post the following on the Wikipedia page on Stalking by Groups:

"Mostly the groups are x-cons or convicts released early out of jail or prison to join this program were to monitor and or track innocent people and report anything so they will end up in jail or even worse be assassinated by the group if the head agent in charge gives them a green lite on the persons life which means to kill them. I am a victim of this and not only my life but my children's lives are in danger because i am well aware of every thing they have done to me over the years."

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It is important to note that the 1 million to 2 million estimate of gang stalking group members is an estimate of the people coordinating the illegal surveillance and harassment against targets as part of a territorial, hierarchical group with a defined membership. This estimate does not include non-members who are loosely affiliated and join in on the gang stalking activities, such as flash mobbing and street theatre, on a semi-permanent or ad hoc basis. These semi-permanent members range from neighbors and community groups coerced, or misled by a slander campaign against the gang stalking target, into participation in the the Program, to vagrant types given a few bucks to participate. Most of the storefront businesses, community groups and many of the neighbors involved in the Program are not members of gang stalking groups, but, will harass and mistreat the gang stalking target because of coercion used against them by the gang stalking groups, or, because they buy into a slander campaign villifying the Program target as deserving of such treatment. Gang stalking Program targets represent a fraction of a percent of the communities they live in. The neighbors, storefront businesses, community groups coerced and/or misled into involvement in the gang stalking Program nationwide represent additional millions of participants in the Program.

In order to destroy the target, an infiltration of every aspect of that target's life is performed. This means that not only are neighbors and neighborhood businesses recruited to participate, but, that employers, friends and family members are turned against the target. This involves workplace mobbing at each workplace the Program target works. This also means that friends, associates, co-workers and blood relatives are subject to coercion and slander campaigns against the target. This requires the Program to reach dozens of individuals per target.

Most of the above-mentioned categories of people,to wit, neighbors, neighborhood groups, businesses, employers, friends, relatives, etc., are not gang stalking group members. Rather, these participantss, who are far more numerous than the 1 to 2 million gang stalking group members nationwide, participate in the Program because they are either coereced and/or misled by slander campaigns against the Program target. Gang stalking victims quickly realize that friends, co-workers, and even intimates are really "frenemies" looking to undermine them. Some of these frenemies are emotionally unstable, psychologically draining individuals with dysthymic disorder. More importantly, some of these frenemies are likely to have been placed on the gang stalking victim even before the active phase of gang stalking began. These frenemies are chosen because they are psychologically weak and some digging will reveal other questionable relationships in which these same frenemy tools have been placed on other gang stalking victims. Again, this happens to mirror the law enforcement practice of placing a "bad jacket" on a mark. Certain employers are gang stalking mills, intentionally hiring Program targets for workplace mobbing and constructive termination because their owners are particularly vulnerable to blackmail and other coercive tactics.

Below is a a link to the testimony of a gang stalker explaining "the syndicate" and its operations, funding, lingo, interactions with civil institutions, etc. The gang stalker describes a coercion daisy chain in which he too is at the mercy of the mob and would have to sacrifice his wife and family if ordered to by "higher ups". Of course, anyone weak-minded enough to follow this Program is blind to the wider implications of social engineering and political control technology imposed by the criminalized intelligence services using him as a tool of structural political oppression against the wider public. The public is ultimately seen as the enemy by the power elite and their well fed and trained dogs in the intelligence and security apparatus:

http://gangstalkingsurfers.wordpress.com/confessions-of-a-gang-stalker-aka-life-in-the-syndicate/

All gang stalking targets experience an updated and refined version of McCarthy era blacklisting. This involves being hired, then, soon after, being subject to a hostile work environment, resulting in actual or constructive termination. Because of the sheer number of employers involved in this nefarious practice against gang stalking targets, as well as the fact that employers ranging from small businesses to large multinationals are involved, this neo-blacklisting can only be being orchestrated by the FBI, as was the case with McCarthyism. Unlike McCarthyism, neo-blacklisting, with its use of a hostile wok environment leading to actual or constructive termination, is not subject to the inference that a blacklisted target is being subject to defamation leading to un-employability, because they are indeed hired, then promptly set up for failure. Gang stalking targets’ “employment problems” start at the same time as their gang stalking starts. Most gang stalking targets, similar to victims of workplace mobbing, are actually better than average workers in their occupations.

All gang stalking targets experience workplace mobbing and academic mobbing. Ken Westhues, Sociology Professor Emeritus at University of Waterloo, Canada, writes about the causal link between academic and workplace mobbing and the rash of mass shootings:

"Most of the people who go postal, however, in academic as in other workplaces, have been mobbed there in preceding months or years."

http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/vtmassacre.htm

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/academic-study-links-mass-shootings-community-mobbing

The term "community mobbing" is a defined term of art in the field of Sociology. Community mobbing is the systematic use of bullying, rumor, innuendo, intimidation, humiliation, discrediting isolation, and general harassment in which the group ("mob") attacks a targeted individual:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing

Academic studies have shown that mobbing has severe health consequences:

In mobbing targets with PTSD, Leymann notes that the "mental effects were fully comparable with PTSD from war or prison camp experiences. Some patients may develop alcoholism or other substance abuse disorders. Family relationships routinely suffer. Some targets may even develop brief psychotic episodes, generally with paranoid symptoms. Leymann estimated that 15% of suicides in Sweden could be directly attributed to workplace mobbing.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobbing#Mobbing_in_the_workplace

Calgary Professor Hugo A. Meynell has publicly compared workplace mobbing to ethnic cleansing, and, has described the workplace mobbing victim as "a little holocaust" happening daily in our civilized workplaces:

http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/meynell-hh.htm

This country has now entered a phase of false "Democratism". This is an illusion of a two party system in which a plutocracy runs a right wing totalitarian state and hollows out any semblance of constitutional due process. The First, Second, and Fourth Amendments are particularly under siege. It appears that the operation of the American Red Guard/ American Stasi is meeting armed resistance. The mass shooting "epidemic" in America is a result of the occupation of the lives of gang stalking targets by the fascist operatus implemented against them by their government. Unlike the former U.S.S.R., Red China, Nazi Germany, etc., the widespread ownership of guns in civilian hands in America is at odds with the de facto national Gestapo system known as gang stalking. Ironically, as Wikileaks represented the example par excellence of a First Amendment insurgency against a proto-fascist America, so too, the mass shootings, however misguided the chosen targets, represent a Second Amendment revolt against fascist tyranny.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

The gang stalking Program is highly systematic, programmatic and systemic. Information about it dispensed to participants outside the gang stalking groups themselves is disinformational, misinformational and largely compartmentalized or "stovepiped". The total amount of Program participants, as described herein, can easily exceed 100 to every 1 gang stalking Program target. This means that 10% of the U.S. population may be participating in the gang stalking Program, most only having a vague notion of the larger Program called gang stalking by its victims. These numbers are consistent with the civil population involvement with the intelligence communities in former Eastern Bloc. It is noteworthy that the author has multiple sources stating that middle aged persons from the former Eastern Bloc, who are not even fluent in English, are participating in the gang stalking Program in the U.S., as if they imported the techniques directly from Eastern Europe. Similarly, the urban storefront businesses in this country are often run by immigrants originating from third world police states where noncompliance with authority is regularly met by brutal state reaction (disappearances, murder, rape, beatings, etc). This prior social conditioning of recent immigrants makes it easy work for the big city American police departments who run the gang stalking Program for the Feds to incorporate them into the Program.

Community-based policing, similar to gang stalking, is today, and has been for decades, the preferred tool of third-world societal control. A good example of this is Syria, where 20 percent of the population is working for the intelligence agencies. See: "When 20 per cent of the population is rumored to be in the intelligence service, it is no wonder, many prefer to keep their voices down in the light of day. But within a crowd, that fear is temporarily forgotten." Link to full story:

http://rt.com/news/intelligence-violence-security-fear-243/

In the U.S., the use of a growing percentage of the population in national "neighborhood watch Programs" has been instrumental in building a Stasi-like citizen spy network:

In 1981, national data showed that 12 percent of the population was involved in some type of neighborhood watch group (O'Keefe and Mendelsohn, 1984). By 1988, it was estimated that between seven and 20 percent of residents of U.S. cities were involved in such activities (Rosenbaum, 1988). A national study (Whitaker, 1986) showed that 38 percent of households in neighborhoods that had a Neighborhood Watch program participated in the program. This study concluded that urban areas were more likely to have programs than suburban or rural areas, but that people living in the latter were likely to be involved in a program if one was organized.

full link:

http://www.usaonwatch.org/about/neighborhoodwatch.aspx?

This community policing model whether based on former Eastern Bloc countries, Syria, or gang stalking in the U.S., requires the deputizing, and putting on the payroll, a large swathe of the criminal element.

What is also common about all community policing models, including gang stalking in America, is that only the government has the money to fund them. Neighbors moving into housing units surrounding a Program target. Gang stalking perps with no job or means driving around in new model trucks. Gang stalking is happening not only in big cities but in rural areas and every demographic in between. One can find reports of it happening in every state, every county, every city, and almost every town in America. We are talking about Billions of dollars in funding here. All segments of the social order are co-opted into the Program. Targets will experience harassment, such as street theate and mobbing, by vagrants, others on the welfare rolls, city workers, etc. The total societal penetration reaches into their doctors offices, employers, neighbors, etc., right out of the former Eastern Bloc playbook.

Some argue that narcotics and other rackets fund gang stalking which, unlike every other racket, has no self-funding mechanism. The problem with this explanation is that because of criminal defense legal fees, civil forfeiture, mandatory victim compensation laws, etc., it is increasingly the case that racketeering wealth is less likely to be passed on generationally than it is to be confiscated and appropriated by the state.

"Gang stalking groups" have a substantially identical modus operandi to the FBI's Special Surveillance Groups or "SSG's". These SSG's were developed in the 1970's to combat Soviet espionage. Today, these tactics have been taught to criminals, through FBI channels, for domestic COINTELPRO operations against American citizens. Anyone familiar with gang stalking will immediately understand the striking similarity by reviewing the following NPR links on SSG's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P0UibgHIZg

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92207687

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/surveillance/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Surveillance_Group

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Spying_on_spy_Raw_Story_interviews_0612.html

Yale Psychologist Stanley Milgram's "small world" experiment concluded that about 1 in 6 people were sufficient to link to every member of a population (this later became the "six degrees of separation" principle). The 1 million to 2 million estimate for gang stalking group members is sufficient to explain the manpower needed to coordinate constant fixed and mobile surveillance against gang stalking vicitims numbering in the hundreds of thousands. The number of people needed to explain the highly consistent gang stalking accounts of hundreds of thousands of Program victims nationwide is exponentially higher.

The FBI and local police "red squad" units (Association of Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) are not performing th grunt work of illegal surveillance and harassment of gang stalking targets. Rather, Snitches are being used to do the "community policing" and legwork for related COINTELPRO activities. These Snitches are essentially slave labor for law enforcement. The same model was used as the "Ghetto cop" by Nazis, and the "proletariat" citizen spy by the Communists. This country has a history of using criminal labor for social engineering campaigns. Ward Churchill documented the cultural Genocide of the American Indian as late as the 1980's. This was accomplished through sending Native American children to government "assimilation" camps run by criminals to separate them from their families and culture. The resulting beatings, rapes and other deprivations suffered as a result of this "assimilation" led to some of the highest unemployment, alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, etc., rates of any racial/ethnic demographic in American history. All the above is consistent with the trend of delegating much of "police work" to deputized criminal subagents. A great example is the statistic that 50% of federal narcotics cases are made through criminal informants; See link:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Snit

Key to understanding the nefarious snitch system is not only recognizing the sheer number of snitches, but also understanding the concept of the police creating the "snitch for life". Deferred prosecution/deferred sentencing agreements give police at all levels of government the option of giving felons facing long-term or life sentences an indefinite deferment as long as they keep snitching. These agreements can be more or less formal, but, always entail continued deferment of punishment while the criminal continues cooperation with authorities through the voluntary waiver of the statute of limitations. Most people, including criminals, do not know that the statute of limitations (usually 5 years for federal felonies) can and is commonly waived by cooperating criminals. This means that career or part-time criminals, facing sentencing, for example, under Rockefeller drug laws, can become long-term assets informing for decades. They can operate and inform under changing scenarios as their employers, friends and associates change over time. The policy question here is, does the informant trading liability by shifting it to other criminals provide a "public service" by doing so? Can we consider this self-interested criminals information or testimony as being disinterested as in the case of a disinterested citizen witness? Hardly, I'd say.

The FBI can orchestrate gang stalking with little or no overt presence. This was how COINTELPRO was designed. Through infiltration and the cultivation of snitches, the FBI ferments division within targeted groups, such as organized crime. The desired result is increasing the factionalizing or splitting within targeted groups, and, between targeted groups, resulting in the self destruction and mutual destruction of FBI targeted groups. This is achieved with little or no traces of direct FBI activity within these groups. Essentially, the most effective thing about COINTELPRO, is psychological manipulation of the targeted groups' members.

In the case of "generational victims", entire families are targeted by the Program for multiple generations. A key to understanding this is comprehending that systematic and systemic coercion will be used against both members of the nuclear and extended targeted family. Machiavellian "splitting" techniques as well as organized crime-style methods will be used to divide and destroy the targeted family. It is important to note that only a minority of these targeted families' members will experience full blown gang stalking (street theatre, flash mobbing, slander campaigns, intimate infiltration, employment sabotage, 24/7/365 surveillance and harassment, etc.). Some blogs and commentators write about a "preconditioning phase" before the onset of full blown gang stalking. During this preconditioning phase, the prospective future gang stalking victim is exposed to public rudeness, rudeness by employers, etc., to start breaking them down psychologically. The methods used during preconditioning to gang stalking are similar to predatory methods of cult abuse and MKULTRA-type abuse. Generational victims family members would all undergo the preconditioning phase of gang stalking, while only a minority of family members will proceed to full blown gang stalking. Ironically, the resilient, anti-authoritarian types will be of greater risk of becoming full blown gang stalking victims. The personalities of prospective gang stalking victims will be heavily profiled and any exploitable weaknesses duly noted during the preconditioning phase.

The Leninist concept of organizing a "controlled opposition" is central to the gang stalking Program's cover-up. The FBI's use of controlled opposition (phony government operatives and groups posing as opposition) in COINTELPRO is well documented. Ward Churchill writes about this in the context of AIM, the KKK and other groups subjected to COINTELPRO in The COINTELPRO Papers linked below (this book is a must read for anyone who wants to understand COINTELPRO):

http://www.krusch.com/books/kennedy/Cointelpro_Papers.pdf

The controlled opposition, which has its origins in Lenin's Soviet Union, and, Mao's Red Guard, is clearly at play in the gang stalking Program:

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.'"

Vladimir Lenin (the FBI has learned Lenin's teachings well).

To give a historical analogue to gang stalking , the below linked film, Stasiland, examines the East German surveillance society that is considered the gold standard for the modern police state:

http://www.youtube.com/user/phrygian20?blend=22&ob=5#p/u/0/HClXxgCPAjY

An excellent overview of the criminalization of American intelligence agencies is given by former N.O.C. MI-6 agent Christopher Story in his book New Underworld Order :

http://www.thinkorbeeaten.com/theknoll/rr/The_New_Underworld_Order%20-%20Christopher_Story.pdf

Pay specific attention to Chapter 8, at p. 529, et. seq. Story's partial biography is found on his Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Story

Retired Sheriff Richard Mack on the oath to the Constitution versus federal tyranny and cronyism:

http://www.nullifynow.com/2012/02/richard-mack-the-untouchable-bill-of-rights/

Furthermore, upon information and belief, the author herein believes that the following mass murders are likely related to the "gang stalking" Program:

James E. Holmes

Terence Tyler

One L. Goh

Scott Dekraai

John Turner
Yvonne Hiller
Amy Bishop
Shareef Allman
Jiverly Wong
Cho Seung-Hui

Ross Truett Ashley (visited same gun range as Cho Seung-Hui)
Abdo Ibssa
Nidal Malik Hassan
Jared Loughner

Christopher Nathen Elliot Travis

T.J. Lane

Andrew J. Engeldinger

Lawrence Jones

Raulie Wayne Casteel

Jacob Tyler Roberts

Jeffrey Lee Michael

Adam Lanza

William H. Spengler, Jr.

Bryan Oliver

Nehemiah Griego

Arthur Douglas Harmon

Christopher Jordan Dorner

Nahn Lap Tran

Ali Syed

Kurt R. Myers

James Oliver Seevakumaran

Dylan Quick

Neil MacInnis

See Appendix of link below:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/counterterrorism/ActiveShooter2012Edition.pdf

Note that the author is not claiming definitive proof of gang stalking in each case, but rather, indicia of gang stalking in each case. Moreover, the author is not claiming to know whether other incidents of mass violence relate back to the "gang stalking" Program, but he suspects there are other such incidents.

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fbi aspires to be the stasi (not verified)

at 15:38 on November 17th, 2011

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Liz Blandra (not verified)

at 09:29 on November 18th, 2011

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Liz Blandra (not verified)

at 09:25 on November 18th, 2011

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botarin (not verified)

at 15:50 on November 18th, 2011

yes i agree

Gastacara

at 08:49 on November 21st, 2011

Elizabeth Blandra is right.
Jiverly Wong was probably gang stalked.
Typical for such an incident is that they will never discuss the contents of his letter.
They will rather interview all the silly perps that he has met.
They will see interesting details of his private life, like lawn mowing.
Then they are fascinated by the things that the perps could manipulate, like his job.
Then they come to cunning conclusions like "He spoke broken English, he didn't have work, that will have been the cause."
This suggests an important purpose of the harassment: they want to ridicule every attempt to discredit the System.
They don't allow that the image of the System is disputed.

Massacres will continue to happen.
But future shooters will understand that it's gang stalking.
It's just a matter of time before this happens.
Still the press won't write about gang stalking.
They will see that the shooter had a blog about his gang stalking misery.
They will say: how delusional, let's put them all on a register for dangerous delusional people.
They won't discuss it.
They will say: rambling.

Since September the tone on blogs and forums is more combative.
The jaw breaker Damian Vladic is a good example.
Read how he smacked up his stalkers:
http://www.setbb.com/gangstalking/viewtopic.php?t=181

I think that they first recruited the weasels, the people who are ready to irradiate their neighbours just to keep their job.
That's the perps.

Then they expanded their system.
They tried to recruit the difficult but non-violent people.
That's the targeted individuals.

Then they expanded their system again.
They tried to recruit the difficult and violent people.
That's the new generation of targeted individuals.

So I predict that this will evolve to a new terrorist movement.
Not a terrorist organization.
Unorganized people will hear about terrorist attacks.
This will inspire them to do new terrorist attacks.

As the oil production is in decline, perps will become less mobile.
They will be an easier target for terrorists.

arrogant prick (not verified)

at 16:40 on November 21st, 2011

It is important to note that the 'jawbreaker' mentioned in gastacaras post is in fact a delusional racist who boasts online about 'having to slap' a middle aged chinese woman after calling her a 'gook'.According to his account he beats up everyone he encounters, the big man that he is. Freud would have called that post 'wish fulfilment'.

anonymousX (not verified)

at 18:16 on November 21st, 2011

After reading the linked post of "jawbreaker" it seems to me you're missing the bigger picture. There is a toxic cycle going on with stalkers targeting people and people reacting, sometimes violently, even when they suspect, but are not sure, if the person is with a stalking group. This is a negative cycle that will harm targets, stalkers and those suspected of being stalkers. A negative cycle is not good for anyone. Targets and stalkers, like the rest of the world, hold some bigoted opinions. This gang stalking is not going to change those bigoted opinions. Also, the stalkers are just as prone to being bigoted and are rumor mongers. If you read the "gook" comment in context you will see that "jawbreaker" thinks that he developed a association between "gooks" and stalkers because of the Filipino stalkers who attacked him. I.e., this does not appear to be going well for targets, stalkers, Southeast Asians ("gooks"), or the general public.

but surely...... (not verified)

at 02:16 on November 22nd, 2011

..... you can grasp the idea that it is never appropriate or legal to smash a middle aged womans head into a lamp post after racially abusing her. Apparently he developed racist attitudes after members of the same race attacked him on a beach (or so he claims). Why then did he beat up a middle aged woman? Why then did he consider her race to be the salient point not the delusion that she was a stalker.He seems to respond to ALL feelings of discomfort or intimidation with violence.Surely you cannot be of the opinion that is what someone of sound mind would do?

batvette

at 06:35 on November 22nd, 2011

I'm with you and if this story is to be taken seriously there is nothing that indicates this is anything other than a violent jerk going around misinterpreting things around him as something more than they really are. The encounter on the trail for instance sounds like a fictional account of some teenager living out a tough man fantasy but consider if it really happened. So two guys made fun of his backpack and he angrily confronts them, looking for a fight. The comments from the guy about we know who you are you'll be in trouble could be nothing more than them being afraid he's going to assault them and reminding him if he does he will be found and arrested for the crime. So he takes that as them being gangstalkers and beats them up?

Well isn't this turning out great, self fulfilling prophecies.The story about the woman is worse obviously and has little more rationale for gangstalking.

But anyway that site has some rather entertaining acounts on it, take them for all they are worth.

I'm a bit miffed I'm only a "babbler or tatterer":

http://www.setbb.com/gangstalking/viewforum.php?f=34&mforum=gangstalking

and he hasn't found me annoying enough to be a disinformation or harassment agent, and even though I am not likely a doer I suppose I should thank him for not putting me in the drama queening milquetoast catagory.

(he has the insight to put scrivener in there)

in fact for just using that term even though he has some disparaging comments on me I would say I like his style- too bad I can't fill his scrivener thread with linked proof to his intentional bullshyte, but then he'd have to reclassify me as "long winded babblers and tatterers".

batvette

at 13:31 on November 22nd, 2011

I tend to agree about Jiverly Wong, part of what makes it convincing is it didn't seem like he read about it on the internet first then decided it was happening to him. Especially the part about police pulling in front of him and stopping 33 times.

I would hesitate to try and find reasons to attach gangstalking to every mass murder, however.

I do find it curious you choose to coddle the claims of a violent racist, but back in April your reaction to my single post of common sense was "banned":

http://www.setbb.com/gangstalking/viewtopic.php?t=170&mforum=gangstalking

You certainly have the right to control the content in your forum, I don't think this is uncommon.

On a level of credibility however I would point out most forums worth posting in don't need to censor opposing views, they have members with formidable debate skills arguing sound talking points that make it appealing to share their opinions. If you really read my post there it's true, isn't it, albeit an uncomfortable truth?

Fun topic on me though, and while I commented to the other user it had disparaging remarks (based on memory when I first saw it earlier this year) reading it again now to be fair they really weren't anything other than you calling it as you saw it,and the perp thing is based on military service. (I was in the Navy) I'd perhaps note that in your country it's significant or unusual for people to serve in the military, in America as our military has worldwide commitments it's common and many of us simply join as a quick path out from under mom and dad's roof.

Any other details about me you want to poke fun at, just ask and I'll be candid. I also updated the photo album of that forum after I noticed I'd not uploaded any photos of the batvette.

Glad I didn't make the drama queening milquetoast list. :-)

Elizabeth Blandra (not verified)

at 12:06 on November 21st, 2011

Fascism is brewing -- it's abundantly clear to many. Those running this operation do "crazy things" -- it's a given. When victims then report the "crazy things", they're discredited and slapped with a sometimes bogus psych diagnosis. In addition, evidence is difficult to amass....... Look, we know the broad strokes of these sadistic "games." We also know that the truly mentally ill are providing cover. As such, it's well-designed for those who want this to continue. I certainly don't have all the answers, but I do know, beyond a shadow of any doubt, that gang stalking is widespread and well-funded. As to the number of people involved, we know that gang stalking doesn't seem to be suffering for a lack of participants.

The 1

at 04:53 on November 22nd, 2011

PeaceFrog and Elizabeth Blandra (not verified),

What I don't currently understand is why apparently legally educated and trained individuals, who's time and effort are generally worth substantive value, would waste so much time arguing currently unproveable assumptions about alleged organized stalking activities, with someone who's not a client or even requesting your help..

As for personal credibility, using multiple names, posting unsubstantiated reported allegations, and not even giving your own basis or personal accounts on this issue might make people like batvette suspicious of possible intentions.

Not suggesting any disrespect for what you're both trying to do here, but I'm sure as you both must realize, that in your positions having personal integrity and credibility on this specific issue is really all you both have. As with us all, until we actually know who is behind this, and what their methods are, arguing about who is being stalked, how they are being stalked, or if they are actually stalked, is only conjecture.

You need to find a connection to someone on the inside of this stalking matrix. Either politically or legally connected. A organized systematic operation of this cost and size, can't be totally covertly run. There must be an opening/s. Finding those openings is the answer_not some of the bs being written on this site.

Thxs and G/L ! 1

PeaceFrog

at 06:15 on November 22nd, 2011

The 1 wrote,

A organized systematic operation of this cost and size, can't be totally covertly run.

Neither can it be run without official government participation i.e., "state action". We are dealing with a "KKK" Act Program under 42 U.S.C. Sect. 1983 and 18 U.S.C. Sect. 242, hardly a waste of time for anyone including professionals.

Elizabeth Blandra is not a lawyer, but she is a licensed professional in a different field.

As far as your allegations of sock puppetry, you are wrong. Over half of the comments on NowPublic are unverified, and, if Peacefrog and Blandra have some anonymous supporters we are o.k. with that.

The 1

at 10:32 on November 22nd, 2011

Thxs 4 that PeaceFrog !

Yes, my point being that an operation of this scale and complexity, would create many possible organizational vulnerabilities. Finding those vulnerabilities is what logically would be the best way in discovering who, how, and why this is being done.

As for your assumption of government involvement, I also believe that is logistically accurate. I further believe though, that an even more subversive element within this government, that has been in place for sometime now ( specifically in control since 22 Nov 1963 ), and also intimately associated with NWO directives; manipulates elements within this government to run what should be a highly illegal program of psychological torment and torture; mental, physical, psychological, and emotional human rights abuses.

Thanks for the update on Elizabeth Blandra status. I asked several times previously without reply.

I personally didn't make any allegations against you about 'sock pupperty', but did inferred that it could raise suspicion of intent, if not properly addressed.

Btw, you may find my recent article of related interest to this issue..Thxs again !

"Human Rights Group to Address Abuses of Covert Technologies"

PeaceFrog

at 10:47 on November 22nd, 2011

The following techniques are several types that are often used against Targeted Individuals. There are other techniques used, but these are some of the primary ones.

A Psychiatric Reprisal

This was used in Russia to have dissidents listed as mentally ill. This practice is now being used against workers in America and other democratic countries.

"Across the United States, companies have seized upon concerns about workplace violence to quash dissent. Hundreds of large corporations have hired psychiatrists and psychologists as consultants to advise them on how to weed out "threatening" employees. They say they are only responding to a 1970 directive from the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration that they maintain a "safe and secure work environment." But by drawing the definition of "threatening" as broadly as possible, they are giving themselves a new club to bang over the heads of workers. "

A Violent Person Registry

Some targets might find that they are being targeted because they have been placed on a Violent Person Registry. This means that they will have a flag that comes up anywhere they go listing them as violent or potentially violent. This can happen to anyone, for simple reasons and without your knowledge. This can go on for years. Please read Jane Clift's Story.

Many countries have similar lists. In Canada and the U.S. this type of listing falls under Community Safety and Health.

Air Stalking

This is when helicopters are used to track targets that are on foot, or in cars. They fly over head and follow the targets from one location to the next. Some will monitor the targets shortly after they leave their homes.

Brighting

As targets walk on the street, usually at night, civilian spies/snitches will turn on their high beams. This might be flashed once or twice at targets.
This might be used to let targets know they are being watched, however these signals might also be a way for Informants in cars at night, to communicate with their fellow counterparts.
The foot patrols will then communicate back to the Informant in the car, using a combination of hand signals.

Car Accidents

Targeted Individuals complain about being cut off, driven off the road, and near fatal or fatal car accidents. Pedestrian targets complain about cars that consistently cut them off, being hit by cars, and other almost near mishaps.

Cell Phone Stalking

Using a targets cellphone to track and monitor them. The microphone and video cameras on cellphones can be used to monitor targets. Even when the phone is off, the microphone can be used to listen into conversation. The camera can be used to view activity in the room. Cellphones can also be used in conjunction with several Internet programs to locate the Targeted Individuals within a few feet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV_I7cgkqXc

Crowding/Mobbing

When the target is in public, civilian spies/snitches will usually try to box the target in. Eg. They will surround the target in a square like formation if possible. They will stand too close to the target, or swarm them.

Directed Conversations

These are conversations that complete strangers will have out in public relating to the target and their personal situations. Eg. They will repeat things a target said in their home, or on the phone. They will let drop very personal details into the conversation, that could only be related to the target.

Eg. Civilian Spy #1. It's a shame Uncle Ed won't be able to come.

Civilian Spy #2. Yeah since he died golfing on Saturday.

The target will just have learned of a death of a favored uncle, (possibly named Ed.) while out golfing.

Electronic Harassment

Electromagnetic weapons and frequencies will be used on a target on their homes. The purpose of using the EMF (Electromagnetic Frequency) on targets and their belonging are multifaceted. Electronic frequencies can destroy electronic equipment.

Electronic frequencies can be used for monitoring and tracking inside the home, and at work. It can also be used for purposes of sleep disturbance. When those conducting these covert investigations feel that they have psychologically destroyed the target to where they are near breakdown they will start to use these weapons. They will also use these weapons if targets are not going along with their harassment protocol.

Visit

http://www.amazing1.com/ultra.htm

http://www.amazon.com/High-Tech-Harassment-Scott-French/dp/0873646169

http://www.targetedindividuals.com/subliminal-acoustic-manipulation-of-nervous-systems/

Emotional Sapping

This is similar to the concept of an energy or psychic vampire. You know negative people who drain your energy when you are around them, or who are really good at transferring their negativity onto you. As a target you are being exposed to dozens of people on a daily basis, many of them who do not wish you well, or want to hurt you even though they don't know you.

Without realising it you are also being emotionally, mentally, and spiritually harmed on a daily basis. After time this can get to you and weaken your defences. This is when you might notice that you are more susceptible to this form of energy drain. It's a very real phenomenon and one to be on the look out for. Once you are drained of energy this way, you will notice that it's easier for these people to access your life and cause you harm in other ways. There are emotional shielding techniques that can be used to help try to prevent this. There are also lot's of books being written about these types of negative energy draining people.

Entrapment

To lure into dangerous, difficult, or a compromising situations. The Civilian Spies/Snitches will try to lure targets into various situations for the sole purpose of setting them up. Setting up targets could involve getting them arrested, institutionalised, set up on fake sexual harassment charges, drug charges, illegal pornographic materials, etc. Once this happens, it put's targets at risk for entrapment into becoming civilian spies themselves.

Fake Credibility Reports

Fake Credibility Reports. It's the opinion of Gang Stalking World, that fake credibility reports are being used to subtly discredit and attack legitimate websites, including the Gang Stalking World website. Under the guise of doing good for the community.

What's interesting about the fake credibility reports are which sites get targeted and which sites do not.

To find out more, please visit this thread. http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/credibility-reviews-and-terms

Files

It has been indicated that targets will have warning markers placed against their files. The information is then shared with relatives, store keepers, friends, and the community at large. The files are usually not left behind, but they are used to prejudice and slander individuals against the target. These files can be used to engender the corporation of friends and associates of the targets.

The files might have a picture of the target, and information about some alleged crime, incidents, that the target has been flagged for, or is under investigation for. The information is usually very convincing and helps to further get targets harassed by those around them.

Gaslighting

•Doing little things to try to make the target think that they are going crazy.
•Coming into their homes, moving their furniture around.
•Changing clothing that they bought and replacing it with similar, but inferior items.
•Taking small items and then replacing them later on.

Gassing/Poisoning

Spraying fumes or scents into a targets home. Tampering with their food to make them become very ill.

Heat and Vibrations

Sometimes targets experience vibrations and heat in the home. There can be many sources. I have been advised that informants use many objects. Radar guns, lasers, etc. However one of the most likely causes of the vibrations in the home might be transducers.

"And perps can purchase transducers of the type used in industrial sonic baths and mechanically fix them with screws to floor joists or wall studs underneath repaired drywall, completely hidden from view of normal inspection. The transducers will make your floors vibrate and probably create heat. They spend a lot of time hiding their stuff in houses or apartments so it won’t be found under simple visual inspection. If somebody really decides to start looking they *will* start finding these things. These tactics are part of the never ending “smoke and mirrors” routine. Apparently the perps get a “charge” out of inducing false perceptions."

Illegal Entry

•To gaslight the target.
•It's used to help profile the target.
•To set up illegal surveillance.
•It's a way to find out intimate details about the targets. This can be used later to set up the target by using people in photo albums, or by directed conversations about things in the targets apartment.

Illegal Surveillance

This involves setting up audio and some visual surveillance of the target.

•Bugging the targets phone.
•Surveillance in the targets residence
•Listening to cell phone and hard line conversations.
•Hacking into their computers and learning all about what the target is doing, sites they frequent.
•This also helps to build a profile of the target, and it's also used for later psychological attacks against the target.

Intimate Infiltration

This is where civilian spies/snitches will go out of their way to get into a targets life. They will try to form friendships with targets. They will try to form intimate relationships with targets.

They will get close to people that are affiliated with targets. Years before the target ever realises they are targets they will try to get into a targets life.

Eg. If they can't get into your life, but you have a best friend, their new significant other might just be a civilian spy/snitch. The same goes for siblings and the people that enter their lives.

Isolation

For this harassment to be successful, it's important to be able to isolate the target from friends, family members, co-workers and even spouses. To accomplish this isolation many methods are used included, but not limited to: slander, lies, fake files, sabotage, anything that will get the target into a situation where they have no support system. This is important for them to succeed.

Laser Microphones

Laser microphones are microphones with a laser beam. They detect vibrations with a laser and convert it to a digital signal. Lasers are usually bounced off a window, or off any object near to the conversation monitored. Any object which can resonate/vibrate (for example, a picture on a wall) will do so in response to the pressure waves created by noises present in a room. The minute differences in the distance travelled by the light to pick up this resonance is detected interferometrically. Light that is subject to the varying distance is mixed with light that travels a constant distance. The interferometer converts the variations in distance to intensity variations and electronics are used to convert these variations to digital signals that can be interpreted as sound.

This technology can be used to secretly eavesdrop on people with minimal chance of exposure. However, specialized light sensors may be used to detect the light from the beam. It was designed by Ethal Hussenburn in the 1970s during the Cold War. During the making the technology was advanced by the NSA and CIA making it smaller and compact. The Shelby laser Microphone was then invented (Soruce Wikepedia)

Mail and Email tampering

civilian spies/snitches will steal your mail. They will delay the delivery of your mail, and they will also make sure that your mail does not arrive. The other thing they are known for is the tampering of email. They will delay email, delete email, and stop email that you have sent from arriving

Mimicking

This is trying to copy things in a targets life.

•Leaving when they do.
•Dressing like they dress.
•Throwing out the garbage
•Going to the bathroom
•Doing whatever the target is doing.

This is all designed to be psychological warfare, so that the target again feels like they are under observation at all times.

Noise Disturbance

This will include anything from doors slamming above you and below you. Garbage disposal doors, car doors, loud stereos, stomping, moaning at specific times, loud coughing, pots slamming, water running, cupboard doors being slammed, fridge motor running all night, power tools, etc.

Profiling

Targets will be observed and profiled long before they ever become aware that they are targeted by this sort of harassment. Profiles will be created on targets by:

•Following them.
•Following people close to them.
•Breaking into their homes and going through their stuff.
•Listening to their calls.
•Hacking into their computers.
•Gathering information from friends, and family.
•Seeing where they like to shop and eat.
•What are their weaknesses?
•What things do they like and dislike?
•What are their weaknesses?
•What things do they like and dislike?
•What can you bribe them with?
•What can you blackmail them with?
•How can you bully them?
•How can they best be controlled?

This will all be used to put together a profile of the target and then to get them into situations for their detriment.

Random Encounters

This will be people on the street who you randomly and unexpectedly run into. It looks completely natural and it seems to be a random encounter.

They might ask for your phone number after engaging you in conversation. Ask you out, or just ask you where you are going. Anything from small talk to lengthier conversations.

All with the purpose of finding out something about you, or even just getting you to do something.

Ruined Relationships

When targets are in a relationship, the civilian spies/snitches will try to ruin that relationship. This could be friendships, family or significant others.

If it's a romantic relationship, they will find out what your significant other likes and try to get them to cheat, or leave you.

If it's a friendship they will tell lies to come between you. The same goes for family. This is done so that targets will have no means of support, once they do realise that something is going wrong in their lives.

Sensitization

This is getting targets sensitive to an everyday stimuli. Eg. Colors, patterns or everyday actions. Eg. Red, stripes, pens, whistles, loud coughing, clapping, waves, keys jingling.

Eg. Joe will be mobbed at work and as part of that daily mobbing his coworkers will loudly cough at him every time they harass him by calling him names like loser, worthless, lame, demented. They will slander him and have others as they are slandering him show disgust by glaring and coughing at him.

Out in public they will follow him loudly and obnoxiously coughing at him. When he goes to stores they will get others to do the same. After months or years of this, Joe has become sensitive to this stimuli and it can be used to harass him without the names and the glaring looks. The association has been formed because of all the other harassment.

Eg. A girl is sexually assaulted and a sock is shoved in her mouth , during the assault. To keep her quite or stop her from pressing charges, the assailant, his friends and family will follow her around and throw socks in her path, mention it everywhere she goes and show her their socks every chance they get. She will get the message they are sending. Because of the brutal attack, she and what's happened after she is now sensitised.

Sensors

These are used around the home or the apartment of a target to let others know the location or room that the target is in. These can also be used on auto pilot. Eg. When a target trips a sensor it can turn on a silent alarm or even the sound of running water. This effect can be used when targets are in the bathroom to let them think that their movements are being watched and observed.

Signals/Symbols

civilian spies/snitches will also communicate with each other on the street by using Statsi like signals. Below are some examples. SIGNALS FOR OBSERVATION

1. Watch out! Subject is coming - touch nose with hand or handkerchief
2. Subject is moving on, going further, or overtaking - stroke hair with hand, or raise hat briefly
3. Subject standing still - lay one hand against back, or on stomach
4. Observing Agent wishes to terminate observation because cover threatened - bend and retie shoelaces
5. Subject returning - both hands against back, or on stomach
6. Observing Agent wishes to speak with Team Leader or other Observing Agents - take out briefcase or equivalent and examine contents.
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Media/2010/02/informant-signals/

Slander

They will go behind the targets back and tell lies about them. Often the lies will consist of the target being into something illegal, or is someone dangerous, or just needs to be watched for some vague reason.

Eg. The they will say the target is a prostitute, drug dealer, crazy, terrorist, racist, pedophile, etc.

Sleep Deprivation

Depriving the target of sleep is a really good way of leaving the target stressed out. It's also a way of leaving them disoriented and functioning at less than 100%. Then the targets can be baited into reacting in public, or getting into a car accident.

Strange Encounters or Street Theatre

This is running into people that are acting very unusual, or people that are putting on a show or production, known as street theater.

Eg. This could be as minor as public rudeness, or people acting out a skit or skits for your benefit. There will usually be someone near by to see how you react to it. This is again looking for weakness or reactions. If you show an adverse reaction they will try to embellish on this and use it against you later on.

Telephone Redirects

When you make a telephone call, get the name and ID of the person that you are speaking to. Covert Investigations have redirected phone calls. This means that when you dial a number they will intercept that phone call and pretend to be the service or repair person you were trying to call. Eg. If you call the cable company, gas or phone company be sure you know that it's actually them that you are speaking to.
http://www.amazon.com/High-Tech-Harassment-Scott-French/dp/0873646169

Theft

Breaking into a targets home and taking small items, usually nothing of value. However there are exceptions to every rule. Perps will usually try to see what they can get away with.

Tracking

The targets are tracked by various methods.

•Targets are tracked on foot by foot soldiers.
•They are tracked in their cars.
•Targets can be tracked by using their cell phones, laptops, and other electronic devices. If their cell phone number is know, there are Internet programs that will track a target to within a few feet.
•GPS tracking on their cars. These are all ways that targets are tracked where they go and their activities monitored.

Vandalism

If the target owns property this can be as simple as broken door handles, knobs, to actual slashing of tires. They will also break in and do small damage to items the target owns. Eg. If you buy a new sweater, they might break in and cut holes in it. Holes in undergarments.

If you go to a store to get a repair done check for damages. This goes for boots, and coats. Eg. Zippers and the heals of long heeled boots.

Wrong Number Calls

Targets will daily get wrong number calls. These can be automated or they can be persons pretending to be wrong number calls. Civilian spies will use this as a means to monitor and psychologically harass targets. They want to know where the target is at all times.

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: How Widespread Is Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking#ixzz1eSj9zR3B

batvette

at 10:30 on November 22nd, 2011

So when wikipedia confirmed in a checkuser investigation that Elizabeth Blandra was using sockpuppet accounts including the one you were posting with, they got that wrong? Are they new at this and you're a lot smarter than they are?

How come Elizabeth won't answer if she was the source of comments by "anonymously commenting"? You say "if Peacefrog and Blandra have some anonymous supporters we are o.k. with that", well I'm sure anyone would be.

How many IP's would be found if comments from Liz Blandra, Elizabeth Blandra, anonymously commenting, and Peacefrog were traced to originating IP's?
That's how wiki runs a checkuser analysis, and they confirmed socks.

One question: Are you signing off and recommending your own comments? More than once? Is she recommending yours more than once?

Why did you just SPAM the comments section of your own article with that ridiculously long copy and paste of another site's claims? Should that not be in the body of the article?

You assume the innocence of Pollyanna but have yet to even explain why you repeatedly lied about Ted Gunderson being under oath.

One last thing. Would EB be licensed in a psychology related field?

PeaceFrog

at 10:42 on November 22nd, 2011

The following techniques are several types that are often used against Targeted Individuals. There are other techniques used, but these are some of the primary ones.

A Psychiatric Reprisal

This was used in Russia to have dissidents listed as mentally ill. This practice is now being used against workers in America and other democratic countries.

A Violent Person Registry

Many countries have similar lists. In Canada and the U.S. this type of listing falls under Community Safety and Health.

Air Stalking

Brighting

Car Accidents

Cell Phone Stalking

Crowding/Mobbing

Directed Conversations

Eg. Civilian Spy #1. It's a shame Uncle Ed won't be able to come.

Civilian Spy #2. Yeah since he died golfing on Saturday.

The target will just have learned of a death of a favored uncle, (possibly named Ed.) while out golfing.

Electronic Harassment

Visit

http://www.amazing1.com/ultra.htm

http://www.amazon.com/High-Tech-Harassment-Scott-French/dp/0873646169

http://www.targetedindividuals.com/subliminal-acoustic-manipulation-of-nervous-systems/

Emotional Sapping

Entrapment

Fake Credibility Reports

What's interesting about the fake credibility reports are which sites get targeted and which sites do not.

To find out more, please visit this thread. http://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/credibility-reviews-and-terms

Files

Gaslighting

Gassing/Poisoning

Spraying fumes or scents into a targets home. Tampering with their food to make them become very ill.

Heat and Vibrations

Illegal Entry

Illegal Surveillance

This involves setting up audio and some visual surveillance of the target.

Intimate Infiltration

This is where civilian spies/snitches will go out of their way to get into a targets life. They will try to form friendships with targets. They will try to form intimate relationships with targets.

They will get close to people that are affiliated with targets. Years before the target ever realises they are targets they will try to get into a targets life.

Eg. If they can't get into your life, but you have a best friend, their new significant other might just be a civilian spy/snitch. The same goes for siblings and the people that enter their lives.

Isolation

Laser Microphones

Mail and Email tampering

Mimicking

This is trying to copy things in a targets life.

•Leaving when they do.
•Dressing like they dress.
•Throwing out the garbage
•Going to the bathroom
•Doing whatever the target is doing.

This is all designed to be psychological warfare, so that the target again feels like they are under observation at all times.

Noise Disturbance

Profiling

Targets will be observed and profiled long before they ever become aware that they are targeted by this sort of harassment. Profiles will be created on targets by:

This will all be used to put together a profile of the target and then to get them into situations for their detriment.

Random Encounters

This will be people on the street who you randomly and unexpectedly run into. It looks completely natural and it seems to be a random encounter.

They might ask for your phone number after engaging you in conversation. Ask you out, or just ask you where you are going. Anything from small talk to lengthier conversations.

All with the purpose of finding out something about you, or even just getting you to do something.

Ruined Relationships

When targets are in a relationship, the civilian spies/snitches will try to ruin that relationship. This could be friendships, family or significant others.

If it's a romantic relationship, they will find out what your significant other likes and try to get them to cheat, or leave you.

Sensitization

This is getting targets sensitive to an everyday stimuli. Eg. Colors, patterns or everyday actions. Eg. Red, stripes, pens, whistles, loud coughing, clapping, waves, keys jingling.

Sensors

Signals/Symbols

civilian spies/snitches will also communicate with each other on the street by using Statsi like signals. Below are some examples. SIGNALS FOR OBSERVATION

Slander

Eg. The they will say the target is a prostitute, drug dealer, crazy, terrorist, racist, pedophile, etc.

Sleep Deprivation

Strange Encounters or Street Theatre

This is running into people that are acting very unusual, or people that are putting on a show or production, known as street theater.

Telephone Redirects

Theft

Breaking into a targets home and taking small items, usually nothing of value. However there are exceptions to every rule. Perps will usually try to see what they can get away with.

Tracking

The targets are tracked by various methods.

Vandalism

If you go to a store to get a repair done check for damages. This goes for boots, and coats. Eg. Zippers and the heals of long heeled boots.

Wrong Number Calls

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: How Widespread Is Gang Stalking? | NowPublic News Coverage http://my.nowpublic.com/world/how-widespread-gang-stalking#ixzz1eSj9zR3B

batvette

at 13:14 on November 22nd, 2011

Note rather than address points about the suspected reprehensible and dishonest tactics he's been using in these comments to divert attention from the reprehensible and dishonest disinformation he publishes, Peacefrog posts for at least the 4th time, a wall of text copy/paste of almost pure disinformation he found on the internet.

Genuine targeted individuals, if you'd like to know how our cause arrived at this point where gettting the word out is not the problem but that the world has heard our story countless times and rejects it with all due disrespect, look no further than our own activists. The vast majority of the above claims are designed to make a new TI quiver in their boots that every bit of your life is beyond your control and you should submit to its overwhelming power. It's bullshyte. It's a body of stupid shyte that allows a handful of people that might come in contact with you to do the work of dozens or even hundreds, by scaring you into believing they are doing things that are impossible.

Believe what you want about the numbers or tactics but the FACT is that not one thing in the described tactics above is something the person posting that has ever testified as having happened to him. He's perpetuating nonsense he found on the internet which can only cause TI's to "perp themselves" and actually ruin their own lives. Find your own story and limit your claims to what you experience and don't allow yourself to be told what will happen to you, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

He wants you to believe that disinformation, accept it and live it submitting to it completely, and has been proven to have lied to protect his disinfo. Don't believe me?

He spammed this thread repeatedly saying Ted Gunderson stated under oath gangstalking was run by satanic cults. Just ask him who swore an oath to Ted Gunderson over the truthfulness of that document.

He's an attorney and helped draft the document. How could he get such an important yet basic fact of it so wrong? Why?

So the community would accept and disseminate it as absolute fact yet COINTELPRO architect SAIC Gunderson would have no legal liability for such false claims. This is also surely why Ted made no mention whatsoever about himself being a target even tho he's often claimed it. This adds liability of being called to testify about first hand witnessing of events, rather than the hearsay the document is carefully worded to present.

Counsel, is there a shower anywhere in the world hot enough to wash the filth off your back at the end of your day? Live steam would be a delightful start, you'll get plenty where you're going in the next life.

PeaceFrog

at 13:47 on November 22nd, 2011

Batvette writes,

It's a body of stupid shyte that allows a handful of people that might come in contact with you to do the work of dozens or even hundreds, by scaring you into believing they are doing things that are impossible.

There is no way a "handful of people" can be behind gang stalking as experienced by me and the well over 100 legitimate targets I have personally communicated with. Ted Gunderson was at his most honest when he stated, in front of a live audience, that gang stalking "made the COINTELPRO of [his] day look like a Sunday school operation." This means involvement of countless thousands in the Program. He had files indicating thousands of targets and knew there had to be a much larger army behind this national movement.

batvette

at 17:49 on November 22nd, 2011

"Gang stalking as experienced by me...."

Well that is evidence which carries immense gravity with the jury of you, yourself, and you, since you're in such a grave emergency you can't bothered to tell the world a damn thing about it.

For the sake of credibility I try to keep my claims verifiable, as I said several years ago one of the few verifiable facts is that DHS has recruited members of the community to be their eyes and ears and may be taking a more proactive role. What I personally observed was one or two people at any given waking hour loitering around my end of the block, the most ever would have been 4 or so on a sunny Sunday morning when these busybodies are itching for a pastime. There's less than that now because nothing spooks them like giving them back their signals and walking around with a camera taking random picures at things right next to where they are standing.

This jibes with programs as reported by the ACLU and other reasonably credible sources.

Gangstalking.com is not to be considered anything resembling a credible source unless one wishes to live outside the boundaries of mainstream society and immerse themselves into the virtual world of people online claiming to be targets but refusing to give details about it or posting under multiple identies and seeking comfort with their new online friends who slap them on the ass with encouragement that it's okay to look crazy because now you're a gangstalking victim.

So why again is Ted Gunderson to be considered a truth teller and not still a participant in the very program you claim is still at work? By your own accounts he left the agency on good terms, and in over 30 years after allegedly leaving not one single person involved with all these vague claims of his has ever been indicted, much less convicted of any crime as a result of Ted's "work".

Files indicating thousands of targets?

Like this nut?

http://tiworld.blogspot.com/p/day-in-life-of-ajh.html

But let me really tell you why you don't know what the **** you're talking about or you're willfully posting stupid shyte:

http://www.ncmilitia.org/spycounterspy/fs024.html

you'd never see a damn thing if it was happening.

PeaceFrog

at 18:48 on November 22nd, 2011

Batvette,

http://www.ncmilitia.org/spycounterspy/fs024.html

First, a word of caution to the reader. Batvette is linking to a militia site that is certainly labled as "extremist" by the FBI, DHS, etc. His motives for doing this, as his motives for denying all specific gang stalking methods/techniques give an inference of his being an agent and/or informant.

Second, this linked page is an excellent example of how the FBI operates in the Field via mobile surveillance techniques. All legitimate gang stalking targets will identify with the "box" surveillance techniques as described in the link. This is not because gang stalking is being done by FBI, DHS, etc. Unwitting "gang stalker" dupes are using sophisticated FBI-style surveillance techniques as accurately described in the link after being trained by the Program which is being run by FBI, DHS, etc..

batvette

at 14:56 on November 25th, 2011

LOL, in the first paragraph he attacks me for providing the information, in the next he applauds what excellent information I provided.

Pretty much consistent with the cheap, petty nature of all your replies. .

Liz Blandra (not verified)

at 13:57 on November 22nd, 2011

The People's Surveillance State...... Tuesday 22 November 2011........ by: William Rivers Pitt, Truthout | Op-Ed....... All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force....... - George Orwell...... "Memo to the police and the surveillance state you represent: you are not working in the dark anymore. You may have your own system of surveillance, but We The People are watching you just as closely, and we have our own system of surveillance. It's called exposing your vicious, anti-American and thoroughly unnecessary strong-arm tactics for all to see. It is really very easy, takes no time, and we will make you famous in all the wrong ways before you take your shoes off at bedtime. The name, telephone number and email address of the cop who attacked those UC Davis protesters is now common knowledge on the internet, and while I will not publish it here, that cop should know down to his cowardly little bones that he is right out there under the bright lights, thanks to the People's Surveillance State.......... You may be watching us, but by God and sonny Jesus, we are watching you."

Maybe Targeted?? (not verified)

at 18:30 on November 22nd, 2011

I'd have to conclude that it exists... but not as much as the internet would lead you to believe. Most Gangstalking websites are bullcrap conspiracy sites. This is obvious to any smart person, and it will repel any dumb person, leading them to believe that gangstalking doesn't exist at all. But who is writing these websites?? Anyway, if you don't believe it exists try protesting against the depart.of homeland security, or demanding raw milk, etc. Go to an OWS show and start speaking out against real issues. The mil contractors and fusion center contractors have guys there to identify intelligent activists from the hippies. Then prepare for strangers acting out around you in public talking all about your personal life, in 3rd person, and people following you everywhere. Also prepare to think people are following you when they aren't.. this is basically gangstalking.

batvette

at 21:06 on November 22nd, 2011

Despite my obviously abrasive tone and lengthy posting style which probably leaves plenty for most folks to find some reason to think I'm a turd, in essence what you say above is exactly the point I'm trying to get across. I'm not sure how much of the

"strangers acting out around you in public talking all about your personal life, in 3rd person, and people following you everywhere"

is really going on in all cases but it's becoming too easy to reject it all as malarky when the vast majority of it upon scrutiny really is.

As for who is writing these websites well the proliferation of this body of disinformation has many sources of origin, one of whom I'm badgering right here. This whole nonsense about "many others claim..... so I can claim it too but not actually discuss why it's silly" seems to be a foundation of the disinfo movement.

I feel I have a right to be upset and concerned about it thinking about all the times I jumped after hearing a single horn honk, then I found out later they were almost certainly keyless entry systems giving a default warning when a driver entered the perimeter and unlocked his car.

It gets far worse. One activist has long been "educating" TI's that if they have to get up at night and urinate frequently, that is the work of perps with microwave weapons aiming at your bladder to keep you awake.

Thinking this was the case I put off going to the doctor and having it checked. I ended up with a urinary tract infection which is a symptom of an enlarged or cancerous prostrate in men. In my case it is probably just enlarged. If it were cancer, the year or two delay in detection would mean life or death.

How many people will be killed by such irresponsible "activism" by people who probably have a messiah complex and wish to pretend some authority with issues they know little about?

This bogus activism works in many ways, including this Pam Anderson woman who killed herself in California. We can't say for sure whether she was a target or not, but let's say a person like that who was mentally ill were encouraged to believe they were a target of program of overwhelming power and solving their problem was not as easy as having a prescription filled and staying in therapy, but the impossible task of having to take down entire government institutions, something that may never happen in your lifetime. Just as this very article states as fact, you are led to distrust friends and family, and shun the very support system that would lead you on a path to a productive, happy life. Told that every part of your life would be affected and there was no avoiding absolute ruin.

Is this becoming clear? If not I will say it outright: If Pam Anderson was not a target, or even if she was and the program is much less omnipotent as these absurd claims and is only what we can verify, then she was discouraged from finding the help she really needed and instead doomed by disinformation peddling activists causing paranoia that destroyed her and caused her to take her life rather than face the insurmountable challenge she had been led to believe was reality.

This body of disinformation has as much potential of taking lives as any program. I watched from a distance as Mark Rich did this to himself as he became homeless. I tried to contact him but I doubt even ifI got through he'd trust me. He'd gotten so caught up in the hysteria even he was responsible for perpetuating, he believed everyone who would be his support system- family, friends, those he stayed with and worked for... were all in on his ruination and could not be trusted, based upon stupid shyte false tactics he believed they were engaged in.

I expect I'll be further attacked for "disparaging remarks" about gangstalking victims, but the lucid reader will be able to recognize that the person here:

http://www.thehiddenevil.com/status01.asp

Did not need the kind of "help" offered by the enormous amount of rank speculation irresponsibly being presented as fact in this article.

If it's dishonest by intent then the most nefarious agenda imaginable could be what's been going on: Not only obfuscate the existence of the program being done to lesser numbers of real targets, but systematic genocide of the mentally ill by getting them to shun real professional treatment toward productive lives, and get them spiralling into an abyss of homelessness and rejection of family and friends ending in suicide rather than take down a global conspiracy. As these people are often as good as defenseless against such suggestion, the kind of evil behind such a concept is mind boggling.

PeaceFrog

at 06:01 on November 23rd, 2011

Batvette,

To summarize your rather long-winded argument: You say the gang stalking Program is not that bad, if it even exists, and most targets , if they are targets, really should seek the psychiatric help that they need rather than confronting it. Even if it exists, they are doomed by confronting something that can't be addressed in their lifetime ( the much Overfunded Leviathan government with a God-Complex)..

I am sure their are a lot of bureaucrats, little Eichmanns, who really want to retire, with pension & benefits, without their role in this blowing up in their face like an I.E.D.

As far as "Bogus Activism", here is a link to information I made public relting to the Program:

http://www.multistalkervictims.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf

http://www.osnanaimo.org/svuslabellafoia.pdf

Let the reader decide who is "Bogus".

batvette

at 13:49 on November 23rd, 2011

Let the reader decide who is bogus

And with that you only reveal the messiah/vanity complex which likely motivates your stream of disinformation, an example of which is the garbage in this article. Not surprised you'd totally pervert my position since you've shamelessly told the lie about Gunderson being under oath dozens of times.
Why are you engaged in disseminating false information to people, whether they be TI's or mentally ill, or both? How does fueling paranoia help anything but instead do the program's work better than it could do it by itself?

You would portray this as you helping targets when the reality is you are only helping push people off a cliff.

PeaceFrog

at 14:01 on November 23rd, 2011

Batvette,

I wrote let the reader decide who is Bogus because I respect the reader and legitimate target as having the instinct to know that I am legitimate. I know that the majority of readers and targets can smell your garbage from a mile away. It is hardly rational to accuse me of having a messiah/vanity complex when I am willing to let others decide for themselves what they chose to believe without resorting to cyberbullying like you do. Your accusing me of having a messiah/vanity complex is a complete projection on your part.

As far as who is helping or hurting targets, let the reader or target decide whether what I have contributed has helped them understand their situation. One thing is for sure, you have done nothing but badger me, disparage gang stalking victims, and make light of the plight of gang stalking victims in a sadistic and Perp-like manner. It is clear that YOU are the one who wants to paint TI's as crazy nutters and try to regress them into a state of denial. I call your agenda pushing targets off of a cliff!

batvette

at 16:15 on November 23rd, 2011

Helped them undertstand the situation? Nearly everything you wrote in this article is unsubstantiated speculation. In your zoho poll you claim:

It's FBI COINTELPRO, only the gov't has the means to do this.

It's the mob.

It's masons and scientology.

It's low level criminals and drug dealers.

It's a criminal informant network run by the government.

It's the Jewish community.

It's Italian organized crime.

It's the military/CIA.

While at the same time LYING to promote clear disinfo that says it's satanic cults financed by kidnapping children sold at auctions.

How is your repetetive disinfo stream doing anything but leading people on wild goose chases?

You have NO evidence of any of the claims you make and in fact you have yet to explain what on that long list of "tactics" you have been spamming with you can even bear witness to experiencing yourself.

And furthermore why are you at a forum for schizophrenics trying to get them to shun professional help they need and follow the pied piper of bullshyte off a cliff of ruin?

It sure looks to me like your agenda is misleading TI's with mountains of nonsensical disinfo, create paranoia that magnifies the scope of the program, and contribute to the suicide and death rate of the truly mentally ill. You're a real Albert Schweitzer!

PeaceFrog

at 18:22 on November 23rd, 2011

Batvette,

The government and their gang stalking Program, including disinformation artists like yourself, are responsible for the TI suicides, violence and murders. This Program is toxic. All of the above-mentioned groups were targeted by traditional COINTELPRO and they were all fooled again in the gang stalking Program.

Because of this government's ability to use official blackmail and coerceon, that was also a hallmark of traditional COINTELPRO, talking heads like yourself can make a living through fighting for the truth of this Program not to be revealed.

Given the police state enforced MEDIA BLACKOUT, the mental health community has towed the Party line in its best interest. The political diagnosis and medicating of gang stalking targets is nothing more than "political rehabilitation" Eastern Bloc style. The gravity of the public safety risk can not even be properly assessed by anyone outside of state security because there is an effective blackout. These state crimes will only come to light well after additional countless suicides and homocides, all this carnage to effectively save face, and, of course pensions and benefits, for the FBI, DHS, etc.

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