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Immigration: UK Government still in thrall to scare stories
Economic migration has been a fact of life since, well, people invented the wheel. Initially it maybe meant that you could leave your village and go to the town to seek better pay and more prospects - and perhaps send money back to your family back in the sticks. No-one seemed to pay much heed to that.
But somehow when you substitute "towns and villages" with that "nation states", swathes of people rise up in wrath. Moving from Leeds to Birmingham to take a job is just A-OK. Moving from Mumbai to Birmingham is, apparently, less so. Philosophically, this makes no sense: when was the last time you heard anyone on the streets of Birmingham complaining about people coming down from Yorkshire to "take our jobs."
So the rage over this issue is often at best an unthinking expression of narrow nationalism, and at worse a proxy for outright racism.
Governments of all stripe have, to their eternal shame, played footsie with such views. Whilst they might be prepared to defend economic migrants in the abstract, they are also keen to play to the populist gallery wherever they can. Witness Phil Woolas, current immigration minister, declaring:
"It's been too easy to get into this country in the past and it's going to get harder."
This begs a pretty fundamental philosophical point: why is the state limiting the inflow of people at all? If the State attemped to control emigration, there would rightly be a storm of indignation because surely we have the right to move where we wish in order to better our prospects. But emigration is merely the reverse corollary of immigration. Therefore if you can't control one, you really have no business attempting to control the other.
Of course, our politicians - elected to lead - choose to follow, more often than not. Petty factionalism means that politicians with an eye on their career like Phil Woolas can make an easy bit of hay by talking tough on immigration. The truth is that immigration to the UK is already tightly regulated by any number of statutes and different levels of UK Visa requirements - and who knows what talent we are losing to the country when people must leap through these kinds of hoop?
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at 08:57 on August 20th, 2009
Nicely put and clearly you have talent and the right to be in great Britain as a useful citizen or an immigrant whatever the case may be. The problem is UK has been flooded with people that have not got your own good qualities they seek the free welfare its not about jobs or pinching jobs. its about draining the welfare system.
Talent is not being lost people are being recruited for just that firms, companies do take on overseas workers that can integrate themselves and become useful British citizens. But the problem is that many people seeking a better life are not all talented and many are being smuggled in the back door or try to get in just because of the welfare system.
One more point is the factor of not blending in with British culture, but bringing ones culture and changing whole towns to look like the country one has come from has been the mode for many years. I am not a racialist but i have seen my country change over the last 60 odd years in many towns and areas of cities a white face seems much out of place. I have had racialist remarks made because I am white and i simply have made to feel like an alien in my own land on many occasions.
These are the feelings of the original natives of the land that many Immigrants have gone to seek a better life in. There are many that feel the country has been invaded by people that do not wish to blend in and do what one does in Rome, that being do as the Romans do.
There are even those that want to impose their own countries religious laws such as Shara. some have entered politics and are trying to impose cultural based laws upon the original British natives. Effecting education and other social based structure within the areas that like minded immigrants have settled.
It's due to all these factors that the government is changing its policies as the Enoch Powell prediction could turn out as being a fact "Rivers of Blood".
As an immigrant or the son of a family of nationalized immigrants you may not understand that many of the original natives find it hard to see you as a British national and that is due to segregation and the separate religious culture and the separated environment that you live in your race and other races has not fully integrated themselves within the existing British native culture. It attracts discontent unfortunately and due to other influences to do with terrorism the government is frightened that they are letting terrorism in. Also frightened that the muslim communities built around mosques are danger spots for terrorist recruitment amoungst nationalised muslim immigrants and there new generations.
I certainly can place my feet in your shoes and understand your confusion at the way the british government is reacting to immigration at this present time. Hopefully these bad times will go away and people can live together in harmony without racialism and religious indifference. But at a guess thats a long time off, we can but go with the flow and hope for more pleasant times ahead and not for Enoch Powell prediction to be come a reality.
I hope my comment contains some answers you were looking for and you respect my opinion as one of the origional British natives. I now live in south East Asia and have done so for nine years I am well intrigated within the culture here in the Philippines I do as the Romans do so to speak.
However I am viewed as being different and that something I live with every day in a sense thats how people with a different color skin must feel in UK. I also from time to time get racial abuse thrown at me, its just not a perfect world. wished it was.
at 10:15 on August 20th, 2009
Gee, and how about a couple of million Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and Jews to live in Mecca? And how about some churches, temples, synagogues, there as well? And how about a clause in the "constitution" of all Muslim countries that guarantees freedom of religion?
How about a multi-religious site on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem with a Jewish temple there next to the Dome of the Rock?
Immigration has an optimum number, less than which you don't garner the advantages, and more than which you garner substantial disadvantages.
Some disadvantages: the price of labor goes down. Large numbers of people may feel no loyalty to the new country and may, in fact, feel tremendous loyalty to the old country. The need for social services goes up, but the tax base doesn't, since the price of labor goes down, and poorer people tend to live in more crowded conditions, meaning that the property tax is the same, but the number of people the municipality must take care of goes up, way up, as in the case of cities such as Los Angeles in California.
The proportion of criminals is higher in the immigrant population than it is in the home country. In the US, we have hosted and defeated a staggering array of old world gang transplants and new world "start-ups".
It is easier to ship the job elsewhere than to move tremendous numbers of people around the globe. And, as in my example, we have the right as sovereign people to decide who gets in and when and how and that is that.
at 12:53 on August 24th, 2009
Why not let's kick all the British criminals and drink drivers out and then there'd be more room. We are flooded with crims, and many of them are still rampaging on the loose:-). In the old days, they used to be shipped to Australia, but that's far too good for them now. We ought to get them a one day ticket out of Britain on Easyjet (or any dodgy £1 plane company) to somewhere where like the Sahara Desert and just leave 'em. We need to import some quality people and kick out the dross:-)
at 12:54 on August 24th, 2009
Talking about dross, we had three British yobs stoning my office today, and trying to break the windows. They seem to have nothing better to do. They can go to the Sahara first.
at 23:38 on August 25th, 2009
Hear hear!
This is one of my major gripes with the whole anti-immigration crowd. As if we're this great upstanding nation of morally upright characters who can fairly point at anyone else's culture with derision and fear. And the whole thing is batshit insane when you look historically: you could hear all this same kind of crud about how the Irish were going to swamp us, the Huguenots, the Jews... any one of the many waves of immigration we've seen over the last couple of centuries.
Now: here's the rub. People come here because they want to come here to live, in the main, like us. They want the benefits of private property rights, a fair legal system, freedom to (yes!) practise their religion, the chance to better themselves economically and to actually vote and make a difference to the political classes. All the scaremongering about how millions of Muslims only really want to come here so they can convert us all is just so much hogwash.
What I find truly dispiriting is that this wave of sentiment and cant has even reached the USA. A country entirely built on immigration. Have you seen the complexity of US Visas? It's madness - rife with supposition and meaningless firewalls to what is (or should be) the freest nation on earth and a real beacon for those of us who believe that migration is one of the most positive forces for change.
Sadly, in economic slumps we look outward to blame, rather than inward to change.