Indian Muslim Women come out in support of 'Hijab': RSA

by Amitjha | September 7, 2009 at 03:45 am
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Controversial topic, Muslim women should wear 'Hijab'(Burqa) or not?
Of course they will decide it they want to wear Burqa or not. Nobody have any right to say what a Muslim women should wear.
Hundreds of women shown solidarity for the cause of wearing Burqa in South Africa.If Muslims do not interfere with any religion, at-least in case of clothing culture, why should anyone pass resolution what muslim should wear.

Hundreds of Indian Muslim women here have come out in support of Muslim woman's right to wear 'Hijab,' a traditional headgear, worldwide.

Over 500 women visitors pledged their support for an international campaign asserting Islamic tradition of wearing Hijab during a live broadcast by the Johannesburg-based radio service Channel Islam International (CII) in the mainly Indian area of Lenasia over the weekend.

Muslims across the world are protesting against a ban on 'Hijab' in France. The CII gave a free scarf to every woman who voiced her support to the campaign.

"Although we are fortunate to have strong constitutional support for the rights of Muslim women in South Africa to wear the Hijab, it is surprising that countries with supposedly far longer democracies are now denying this right to the extent that innocent Muslim women are now coming under attack," CII Director Ashraf Seedat told PTI.
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albertacowpoke

Thanks for this Amijha

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Amitjha

Welcome Karl; hope West will learn to assimilate, specially France, where they pass this kind of moral code of conduct in the name of superficial equality.

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Barry Artiste

You should know my friend Assimilation in most Western Countries including France are starting to abide by the adage when in Rome, you are Roman, regardless where you previously came from... if the majority of the people of the country lived in want change, then that is what makes the West democratic. It may not be fair to those who disagree, but that is the rule, majority rule, just as a westerner living in the middle east should not impose their mode of dress on the country they are living, such as Afghanistan, Pakistan or Kurdistan.

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Sputnic

So women are free but they can be told not to wear what they want ? Huh ? ?

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israeli.agent

Women were not to be told what to wear either. (Well maybe by a fashion designer, but not definitely by a religious head(less) or a fanatic )


.Agent.

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Sputnic

So thats how muslim women see things is it ? No, they believe God tells them to dress that way. Do you believe you have the right to tell them what to think ? Is that not repression ?

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Barry Artiste

To each their own. good story.

As I always say when in Rome.......

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Sputnic

What Barry, tell people what to wear in the name of freedom ? Grow up

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Roy C

I will tell you what: if Western women can go around Mecca/Muslim City of Your Choice in a Chanel suit or a tanktop and jogging shorts, hey, guess what, I will agree that Muslim women in the West can wear the Burka.

Except that that ain't gonna happen and there is no reason with possible non-Msulim men dressing in Burkas to rob banks and so on to permit what is not a right: to disguise your identity in public.

But, the offer still stands: Chanel suits and high heels and tanktop/jogging shorts for Christian women in Mecca and we accept the hijab here. 

Whadda' ya' say?

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alexander71

I hope u r not an Islamophobe. Well, the posts from you that I read in Nowpublic always take stance against all the Islamic agendas. So, IMO yr comment in this subject is not dependable. 

BTW, u know that in many countries (including USA) Burka is allowed. Considering that can u give one example Roy where Muslim men have robbed a bank wearing Burka?

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israeli.agent

Yes, it is all in black and white.Criticizing barbaric acts like flogging, public hanging and stoning of women just because some fossilized religious guy cannot stand it is indeed a symptom of Islamophobia .. LOL.

By the way it is amazing to know that in three days ( you joined NP in 4th of September ) you have read all the NP posts made by someone..!


.Agent.

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alexander71

Since when it is necessary to be a member to read posts in NP?

It seems u cant talk without insulting someone Agent? Who is fossilized dog here? Yr mother and yr country must be proud.

U only criticize those stuff Israeli Agent? One can easily see yr history of posts and stories in NP.

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Barry Artiste

Maybe these Muslim Hijab wearing bank robbers were Cross Dressing Muslims, who knows?

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Barbara McPherson

We've just seen a Muslim court convict a UN worker in Africa on morality charges for wearing trousers.  The normal punishment is flogging.  So are you saying that if you are willing to be flogged, you can wear trousers? 

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Roy C

Excellent point, Barbara.

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israeli.agent

I think women must be willing to get flogged or just wear burkka  in order not to "trigger" the sex-starved men in that great country - after all it is "God's order", no?

Excellent offer, Roy :D..!


.Agent.

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Roy C

I know a lot of men in those cities would do the deal in a flash. :)

PS. Newsflash: there is no "right" to enter our countries as an immigrant. We have no "right" to be in Mecca and insist on our way of life, either.

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Sputnic

So you think you have the right to tell women what clothes they are allowed to wear ! You sexist oppressor of women Roy C ! So women in Bhurkas (Bhurkas dont cover the face, remember) can not enter banks ? How about people wearing puffy jackets ? No one is allowed to enter a bank in Canada in the winter time ! What does the C stand for Roy ?

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jigo

opinion: we cannot tell muslim women what to wear. It's a habit. Nothing elese, and i think we haven't got the right to creat laws, like it's usual in the US. Religion is religion. It's not important which kind of church. There are rules, if I want I will care about them or not. It's simple. Without any terrorists or idiot church leader. We have the right to choose what we want, here in Europe. And we do not need to follow the US in such a case. Europe will be Europe. We need to take care our issues. And I think in a liberal/democratic EU we must let anybdy to believe in what he/she wants. (and want to wear)

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Roy C

No one in the US can stop a woman from wearing a head scarf. Nothing worn commonly in Iran is a problem for any normal American.

Going around with a face covered should be illegal, and, while we are at it, people who say that the West has no right to tell a woman what to wear and then tell women what to wear in Muslim countries, and back it all up with prosecution and punishments including flogging, are

                                    BIG, BIG HYPOCRITES.

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Roy C

Hijab Potent symbol

The word hijab comes from the Arabic for veil and is used to describe the headscarves worn by Muslim women.

These scarves, regarded by many Muslims as a symbol of both religion and womanhood, come in a myriad of styles and colours.

The type most commonly worn in the West is a square scarf that covers the head and neck but leaves the face clear.

Niqab and Burqa Conservative choice

The niqab is a veil for the face that leaves the area around the eyes clear. However, this may be obscured by a separate eye veil. It is worn with an accompanying headscarf, such as a khimar.

The burqa is the most concealing of all Islamic veils. It covers the entire face and body, leaving just a mesh screen to see through.


Big difference here in intent and in effect.

One is acceptable to the West and the other is not.

I repeat: BURQA IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE WEST AND THE NIQAB SHOULD NOT BE EITHER.



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rng

Technicality...Hijab also refers to Islamic dress code. It has two meanings - scarf and code.

There is also a chandor (Farsi) a more conservative form of Hijab that covers all the hair, and can extend into a loose "coat" for want of a better phrase (hard to translate e to English).

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Roy C

Nuns in the West have worn "hijabs" for centuries. They had to change what they wore to be allowed to drive cars.

Get it, defenders of the veil!?

The Catholic nuns were told that they had to change their "habits" to be allowed to drive cars because the habit interfered with peripheral vision.

So, right away, we see limitations on dress have legal precedent, in terms of limiting covering up.

Some women in burqas have insisted on keeping them on while being photographed for drivers licenses!

What the hell is that?

Others have refused to remove the veil while driving so that a policeman could identify them as being the person in the drivers license photo.

Some have refused to take off the veil in courtrooms to permit identification.

This is not about Freedom of Religion. This is about narcissists who want to live here and have us adapt totally to them while they do virtually nothing to adapt to our way of life.

Solution? Simple!

Stay in "burqa country" and don't live here.

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Barry Artiste

You could always tell a Nun apart from other women, even without a habit, most still carry around that BIG HONKIN YARDSTICK with them wherever they go.

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Roy C
British bobbies hunt burqa-clad bandit

British police say they're on the trail of a burqa-clad bandit, or bandits, who robbed three different locations in the past two months.

Police said Tuesday that three armed men, one wearing a full-body veil, stole tens of thousands of pounds (dollars) worth of watches from a jewelers in Banbury, 80 miles (130 kilometers) northwest of London.

Monday's theft follows two incidents in which an assailant wearing a black burqa robbed travel agents in the English towns of Dunstable and Luton, both about 45 miles (70 kilometers) away.

The first robbery occurred in early July. Another occurred about a month later.

Detective Constable Steve Guerin says police aren't sure whether there's a connection between the robberies, but they seem "strikingly similar."


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Roy C
Behind the burqa

Who can? But the wearing of the niqab, or face veil, in an Auckland District Court - whether for cultural or religious reasons - has brought the issue to our backyard and become a complicated game of hide and seek in the case of Abdul Razamajoo, charged with receiving an insurance payment on a car by false pretences.

Two women, who came to New Zealand as refugees from Afghanistan, want to hide their faces when giving evidence for the police. But defence lawyer Colin Amery is vigorously seeking - in the interests of a fair trial - to see more than just the women's eyes.

The dilemma caused Judge Russell Callander to adjourn the case for three months. He will be weighing up which is the more important of two fundamental rights contained in New Zealand's Bill of Rights - the right of the accused to a fair trial or the right to freedom of religion.

But should he instruct Faraiba Razamajoo and Fouzya Salim to remove their veils in his court, he may find himself in the midst of a political incident.

If the two Muslim women refuse an order to unveil, they will be in contempt of court and subject to court sanction - such as imprisonment or fines - until they comply. That outcome may provide the opportunity for them to publicly profess their faith and piety, as martyrs prepared to be imprisoned for Islam - a cause celebre for religious and cultural freedom.

So far the women have refused to remove their veils, even when the police suggested closing the court to the public. One of the women told a Sunday newspaper she hoped the case would go to the High Court "because I want to help other Muslim women in this situation as well".

Malaysian lawyer and Islamic law expert Kamar Ainiah Kamaruzaman recognises the concern.

"There are extreme members of the Muslim community who would love to use this as an excuse to protest that Muslims are being discriminated against."

But she is also adamant that "in Islam it is not obligatory to veil your face in public" and says the few Muslim women who do veil their faces do so for cultural or historical reasons.

Nafreen Hannif, a national representative for the Islamic Women's Council, agrees.

"Covering of the face is not actually compulsory in Islam. One school of thought is that you do cover, but there are exceptions for business transactions and giving evidence in court so that people you are dealing with know who you are."


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a211423

As a Westerner, I am reluctant to project my views onto another culture.  Although, I have stated before in other articles that I support Muslim women who want to be free to have a choice about clothing. 

Lubna Ahmed al Hussein of Sudan was convicted of indecency for wearing pants flaunting Article 152 law of the Sundan.  She was spared 40 lashes because of the international attention her case received. However, ten other women who were with her and also wearing pants plead guilty and received ten lashes. 

Lubna wants to repeal Article 152 of the Sudenese Penal Code stating that the article is against their constitution and Islamic law; further, she states there is nothing in the Quran about flogging  women over what they wear.

 

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Roy C

Many banks in the US do not permit people to wear sunglasses in the bank so that identification can be done in case of some kind of criminal incident.

Banning the burqa, a garment not required by Muslim religious law anyway, is no impediment on Freedom of Religion.

So, too damn bad and that is that.

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israeli.agent

"Muslim women who want to be free to have a choice about clothing. "

Absolutely. But the issue here is that they are not free to decide on anything let alone choosing their own cloth. All they are supposed to do, according to their  "protectors" and "religious leaders" who claim to be the loudspeakers of god, is to cover themselves up properly without "arousing the sin" in the men,keep their body and soul "pure" and become one of the dozen wives of the most wealthy tribal leader. When that does not happens things start getting bad with "corrective actions"  like flogging to public stoning to death.

Oh, those who throw stones at the women who performed this act of 'sin' get their quota of real-estate (12 acres it seems) in the seventh heaven, as usual.


.Agent.



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Blue Crush

Living in such a diverse city as Toronto, I'm used to seeing women wearing the Hijab, even the Burqa doesn't get a second glance around here.  I don't see a problem with it if they are wearing it of their own free will.

I worry though about younger kids, teenage girls mostly, who are at a stage where they're trying to fit in with their friends here in the West, and are being pulled in both directions - the traditional dress of their parents, and the styles of their peers.  The kids of the first generation immigrants have it the hardest, the second a little easier, as they adapt to Western ways. 

It is not unheard of for them to lose the Hijab when they get to school, same as our kids might don extra makeup, roll up their skirt, or change into a belly top after leaving the house.

This creates problems within the household, and it's not unheard of for the parents to punish or even kill their child for such.  It happens, and that's where I see a problem.  The whole fitting it thing ...


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