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Israel, US Guilty of War Crimes, Genocide..Ramsey Clark,
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by 158 | February 4, 2009 at 11:58 am
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A good example of former
high governmental officials
not having the sense to
retire quietly.
Clark, in an interview with the Lebanese weekly 'Al-Kifah Al-Arabi', called for documenting the Israeli war crimes and for demanding the prosecution of Israeli war criminals at international courts.
He said that the USA should be also brought to trial for war crimes in Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon and for crimes against humanity.
Clark described the agreement signed by former US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice with Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni to combat smuggling of weapons to Hamas in Gaza as "illegitimate", adding that rather Israel should be the one banned from acquiring arms.
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at 13:07 on February 4th, 2009
I love his thin black ties though. LOL
at 14:35 on February 4th, 2009
That is the only admirable thing about him.
at 14:41 on February 4th, 2009
No one should retire quietly, as you quip, when child murderers are on the loose out of Israel or anywhere. The war criminals in Israel it is hopeful will be prosecuted and Israel's image restored with the help of such ex-military personalities like Clark.
He is just being logical and as objective as can be. It is a step forward for human rights when Israel is properly prosecuted for child murder and war crime in Gaza.
at 15:25 on February 4th, 2009
If you would just once condemn the Hamas child murderers you would have some credibility.
at 14:46 on February 4th, 2009
Clark has been out of government for a long time. I admit he makes learned and well thought out arguments but they're not based on privileged information.
at 14:53 on February 4th, 2009
He has deep connections among those whom he supports. Everywhere else he's considered to have outlived his usefulness.
at 15:11 on February 4th, 2009
When Ramsey Clark goes after Castro for his treatment of homosexuals, artists, dissidents and AIDS sufferers, I will change some aspect of my opinion of him.
Castro is just one of many examples where he and Jimmy C would cry out loud about someone on the left if it didn't validate someone's opinion they didn't like on the right.
at 15:47 on February 4th, 2009
I agree.
You can tell if someone is serious about illegal acts if he wants investigation of crimes of all parties. If he calls for action against one side only then he is a partisan, not someone seeking justice.
at 17:16 on February 4th, 2009
Ramsey Clark is not growing older gracefully in my opinion.
What made him so bitter?
Or is it that he's just going senile?
He didn't hold that kind of radical opinion in the past.
(Oh, and yes, senility, and senile dementia, do exist, with all their very unfortunate effects for the victim, so I am NOT being 'ageist' or insulting here).
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at 17:24 on February 4th, 2009
Is it because his opinion does not find agreement with Israel that he is now getting insulted in a rather derogate way? I think this is a cheep shot at some one's opinion and disgraceful on the part of those throwing the stones so to speak rather then debating the issue with intelligence and maturity as well as facts. It just may be an indicator that he has a point and may be right.
at 17:32 on February 4th, 2009
I'm not sure who your comment was aimed at Paschen, surely not me as I did say that my comment about him was in no way meant to be insulting (or derogatory).
However, implying that those who do not agree with his opinions are just taking cheap shots, and that they are immature and unintelligent, IS insulting.
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at 17:46 on February 4th, 2009
I am commenting on the Post Fripouille and in regards of the post. If other wise I would say so as I do now replying to your question. I have nothing against the fact that any one can or may disagree with any one's opinion or statement, that is why we debate ideas and so forth.
I would say that he expressed his opinion and one may agree or disagree with it, however calling him old or asking for him to retire just because his opinion may not be to the liking of some, amy those be a minority or majority does not matter. Is in it self cheep and no different then saying that because some one is Black, White, Jew, Muslim, male or female their can not be taken serious and their for their opinion shall be dismissed and even ridiculed. That is all. I did not agree nor disagree with him in any way so far.
Voltaire I believe once said, "I do not agree with what you are saying, yet I will fight to the death for you to be allowed to say it." I live by that.
at 18:02 on February 4th, 2009
Paschen, I did not call him old. I did not ask that he retire either. Nor did I say that his opinion(s) should not be taken seriously. And I certainly did not ridicule his idea(s). Moreover, I did not even comment on his opinion(s) in any way!!!!
I was quite simply asking questions (and looking for answers, which have not been forthcoming) about why his opinions have taken on what I consider to be a very different form than they did before....no more, no less.
And yes, Voltaire was right, and I would never say otherwise. (Mind you, he was right about many things. Well before his time).
at 18:11 on February 4th, 2009
I agree, Voltaire was correct about a great many things well ahead of his time and maybe in some ways he is still ahead of our times in a more global perspective. Further he did have a good and healthy sense of humour and sarcasm.
I understand your comment, thank you for clarifying.
at 18:22 on February 4th, 2009
Humour and sascasm?!! Absolutely right. He was the guy who wrote, on the subject of the eternal French quandary over freedom and equality, "The French were never meant to have freedom. They'd abuse it"!! As true and funny now as it ever was....
at 18:29 on February 4th, 2009
Good point, further his definition of Freedom does still apply as far as I am concerned and would even apply rather well in this post and in regards to Israel and Palestine as well as the US and any one else for that matter.
"The Freedom of the one does end where the freedom of the other starts and the freedom of the other would end where the freedom of the one starts." And as Nietzsche said "Freedom is an illusion for wish we kill."
at 18:42 on February 4th, 2009
Amen to Neitzsche, and I personally think that the fact that we cannot be free means that we have to put up with a poor second best dream option, equally unattainable, called 'equality'.....
at 17:33 on February 4th, 2009
Paschen, as in almost all Hamas/Israel debates there are few facts presented on either side.
The article I posted was all opinion and no facts.
Who is most to blame can never be proved and it will always one opinion against another.
at 23:41 on February 4th, 2009
158 that does depend how you look at it. I am certainly no friend of Hamas nor of am I a friend of the current Israeli Politic either. Hamas is not good for Israel nor for the Palestinian and that even Palestine known. However the fact that Hamas gained this power and hold on Gaza is in large part Israel's own doing and Israel is not the only guilty one here, the Western Nations made a big mistake them self in how they handled the post elections. Remember the tragedy started with the aftermath of the elections. First we ask Hamas to play by the rules and then once they do play by the rules and win, we turn around and tell them the rules do not apply any longer. The result is no surprise and Hamas even though not a welcome fraction is actually being played with and used and they reacted as described in classical Phycology.
at 20:30 on February 4th, 2009
This is the second time I recommend the reading of my research on the Israel Arab problem.
Both sides are at fault medinat-yisrael-jewish-problem
America can be blamed for a lot of its own problems but the total problem in the middle east is not the fault of America its not been helped though from US dabbling and america is not alone in that problem many other nations are at fault.
at 20:42 on February 4th, 2009
Agreed Babel-Fish.
Apart from anything contained in your research, which I shall go see after posting this, the Palestinian/Muslim-Israeli/Jew dispute existed before Columbus even got to "America"!!
Moreover, partisans on both sides often quote 500-and-more-year-old historical "fact" as providing "proof" that their right to the land in that part of the world is undisputable...!!!
Some people read history in a very selective manner.....
Right, off to have a read.....
at 20:57 on February 4th, 2009
Its the same history that I worked on at a guess and then I researched the global political picture and produced
The scream 9-11 global picture
Where as because of the global political oil struggle America's tangles with other nations has led to a mess of deceite of its citizens. Every empire ends up the same way due to the elite's greed for power and money and the human sheep like factor (indicated by Jesus Christ of whom wanted the sheep to come to him etc. instead of them, lol)
at 20:54 on February 4th, 2009
Speaking of History, does any one remember or take into account that it was the Muslims that protected the Jews against the Catholic Church in the days of the inquisition?
Muslim Kings and Sultan went to great length to protect the Jews and gave them homes and a future why in part North Africa where so totally taken off guard and surprised at the Way Israel treated the Palestinians after 1948.
The depth of the anger is in large part due to a profound feeling and sensation of betrayal by the Jewish community towards the Muslim Community. Memory and honour have been betrayed.
at 21:05 on February 4th, 2009
Very interesting comment that Paschen.
The historical elements are largely true, but I'm just asking myself if they really are responsible for the current levels of animosity in a significant way or not, because I'm not sure that most of those people of Jewish or Muslim origin that I know are aware of them. I may be wrong....But..
..I'll tell you what I'll do, I'll do an unofficial survey amongst the people I know, and get back to you with the results in a few days.
The survey shall, of course, be free of charge lol!!!
at 21:14 on February 4th, 2009
You may do that Fripouille and I be interested to know what comes out of it.
It may not longer be true today as it was in 1948 since things have been escalating since then, however it is still true in Morocco, Algeria and Niger where I come from since even today, Jews work and live there and Government sees some sort of obligation still today to honour this promise once made. The Kink of Morocco still to this day has inscribed in his title "Protector of the Jews" as did Said the Kink of Egypt as it still had a King and Tunis, Algeria, Libya and even Syria Persia once. The Foreign Minister of Morocco this to this day is a Jew as most foreign ministers before him.
at 21:32 on February 4th, 2009
The day Israel was left on its own it declare Israel as a state and the Arab world attacked, though I am not sticking up for the Zionist nor the Jews we must see the problem in its true state Equally my own country dabbled and because the world did not see more sense in re-population of Jewish refugees was not a good idea when the middle east was allowed as the final exodus. Prior to that exodus Jews and Arabs got on very well in the middle east and had learned to live with each other.
There was no surprise dumping people in what Zionist took to be their promised land was looking for trouble. if the quotas to take Jews into neighboring countries and America I am sure things would of turn out differently. But the fact can not be changed that the first to do battle was the Arabs not the Jewish occupiers they complicated things later by only letting a few Arabs back after that first battle. from there henceforth both sides have been at fault. yes the struggle for the Jews has a thousand of years history. But this present problem is due not by original hate but what was seen as a land grab by Jewish settlers from Europe its less than a hundred years old but I think destined for hundreds of years. The solutions have been made that complicated and the propaganda and hatred has got right out of normal propositions, where its now a policy to look at USA as the nation behind the problem. Its just one big hot spot of hatred, in an area that's termed as holy its too crazy for sure and shows human weakness for what it is to much indoctrination to much meddling etc, etc.
I am particularly fed up with the hatred mongering from each and every side and wish to see sensible solutions and not the stinky words of hate and rancid smell of stupid fundamental old socks that bombard the internet and its forums and social news sites. Razing hate is for morans seeking peace is for level headed civilized caring human beings. When I see an article or a comment of hatred you now can guess what I think of the writer.