It's Time for Obama to Take Down the Torturers - ALL OF THEM

by Scrivener | April 17, 2009 at 12:10 pm

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• Many are now working for him -- or ARE they?

• Ongoing "extrajudicial punishment network" a clear and present danger

GET POLITICAL w/ VIC LIVINGSTON

Just short of his first one hundred days in office, Barack Obama seems to be self-inhibited when it comes to fulfilling his campaign promise of hope and change.

That could be smart politics; Obama had to first co-opt and disarm a bureaucratic cabal that still threatens to subvert his presidency.

His Solomon-like decision on the Bush-era Justice Department "torture memos" -- release four more previously top-secret documents detailing the "enhanced interrogation techniques" but imperially declare that there will be no prosecutions -- illustrates his dilemma. (Since when does the President have the sole right to decide who shall come before the bar of justice? Does Obama realize how he risks looking Nixonian? Or like a successor to King George?)

The Justice Department's continuation of Bush doctrine on state secrets and now, an enhanced version of sovereign immunity, has left the progressive left feeling betrayed, perplexed, and, perhaps, somewhat deceived.

Obama telegraphed his tendency toward equivocation during the campaign, when he flip-flopped on the issues of FISA/warrantless wiretapping, telecom immunity and handgun control. Such vacillations may have mollified extreme elements in the intelligence and military communities; Obama's early capitulations may prove to have been a brilliant stroke if it is later revealed that strategic retreat defused an incipient silent coup.

Obama got his street smarts on the south side of Chicago. He should be aware that powerful factions within his own government could turn on him at any moment. Yet he has not taken bold steps to really clean house, as many incoming presidents have done in the past. He has retained Bush-appointed U.S. attorneys. He has retained the Bush Pentagon leadership. His Justice Department has yet to purge itself of the lackeys who assisted in the preparation of those poorly-reasoned and duplicitous torture memos.

But now that this new President has demonstrated his ability to earn the confidence of key elements of government -- notably, the rank and file of the military -- it's time for the Obama administration to demonstrate commitment to principle.

Now, as the 100-day mark approaches and Obama's approval ratings remain robust, it's time to show the door to the saboteurs and the Dr. Strangeloves who present a clear and present danger to his administration, and to American democracy.

A good first start would be for his Justice Department to quickly dismantle the so-called "extrajudicial punishment network" that was created or expanded during the Bush-Cheney years...

...a network of programs and policies that have targeted many innocent Americans under the pretext of fighting the "war on terror." These "targeted individuals" have seen their livelihoods and finances decimated by secret programs sold to Congress as "tools" to fight terrorists.

And these "targets," who may number in the millions, also have been victimized by government-funded and trained "community gang stalkers" who hide behind federally-funded volunteer programs as they stalk, vandalize, and terrorize their neighbors.

Citizen vigilantes, whose methods and tactics mirror those of the German Nazis and the Stasi, are said by victims to be equipped with silent, classified microwave radiation weaponry -- so-called "directed energy weapons" -- that can be used to cause pain and injury, and over time, a "slow-kill" death.

Victims rightly call this a silent American holocaust, a quiet genocide, that appears to have been enabled by federal programs and the cooperation of local law enforcement nationwide.

The Bush Justice Department "torture memos" are believed to have been used as legal justification for what victims call domestic terrorism -- and they say this persecution has continued to this day under the Obama administration.

This, victims say, is an evil that the Obama administration no longer can ignore.

Attorney General Eric Holder has been made aware of the dangers of this extrajudicial apparatus, which continues to persecute American citizens and deny them due process under the law. Now it is time for him to act, with President Obama's blessings.

And as part of the restoration of civil and human rights in America, Team Obama must bring to justice those high-ranking officials and faceless bureaucrats who devised and implemented these despotic and inhumane policies.

That is not "looking back." Holding lawbreakers accountable for their disrespect of the Constitution and their wanton contempt for human rights will help assure that another American Gestapo does not arise in the future.

And, as commanded by the precedent set at the Nuremberg Nazi war crimes trials, that includes those who try to hide behind the excuse that they were "just following orders."

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batvette

at 13:58 on April 17th, 2009

So anyone reading this doesn't lose sight of the sliver of factual content within this drippingly dramatized drivel, people across the country are being victimized by groups of stalkers of unknown origin and affiliation. They appear (in my observations) the same type of people David Lawson wrote about in a book extensively reviewed here:

http://www.raven1.net/terstalk.htm

the claims made here and elsewhere such as this:

A good first start would be for his Justice Department to quickly dismantle the so-called "extrajudicial punishment network" that was created or expanded during the Bush-Cheney years...

...a network of programs and policies that have targeted many innocent Americans under the pretext of fighting the "war on terror." These "targeted individuals" have seen their livelihoods and finances decimated by secret programs sold to Congress as "tools" to fight terrorists.

And these "targets," who may number in the millions, also have been victimized by government-funded and trained "community gang stalkers" who hide behind federally-funded volunteer programs as they stalk, vandalize, and terrorize their neighbors.

Citizen vigilantes, whose methods and tactics mirror those of the German Nazis and the Stasi, are said by victims to be equipped with silent, classified microwave radiation weaponry -- so-called "directed energy weapons" -- that can be used to cause pain and injury, and over time, a "slow-kill" death.

Victims rightly call this a silent American holocaust, a quiet genocide, that appears to have been enabled by federal programs and the cooperation of local law enforcement nationwide.

The Bush Justice Department "torture memos" are believed to have been used as legal justification for what victims call domestic terrorism -- and they say this persecution has continued to this day under the Obama administration.

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Which describe these incidents as by official government orders, in official policies and perpetrated by government trained and funded gangstalkers, HAVE NO FACTUAL BASIS WHATSOEVER OR CAN BE PROVEN BY AVAILABLE EVIDENCE AND ARE THE FANTASIES OF THE AUTHOR AND SOLELY THE AUTHORS, who describes claims by unnamed victims that remain unsubstantiated.

MAKE NO MISTAKE there are thousands (estimated) being stalked nationwide and in Canada and Euope- but there are many unlnown issues here which we really don't know yet, tho the author wishes to embellish the testimonials of others with his own politically based fantasies.

I offer this disclaimer out of concern such known false allegations only offer an easy way for naysayers to discredit the rest of the real story.

Scrivener

at 14:55 on April 17th, 2009

Your "concern" is thinly-veiled disinformation -- apparently disseminated instantly, each time I write or post an article or comment anywhere -- by an organized, well-funded but ineffectual propaganda machine.

Hopefully, such wasteful spending soon will be curbed, and you can turn your attention to harassing criminals and terrorists, and not a journalist unjustly targeted as a "dissident" or whatever other slander "the program" can come up with to neutralize those who dare to stand in the way of tryrants.

batvette

at 16:25 on April 17th, 2009

A legitimate professional journalist would not insult the intelligence of his readers by claiming "disinformation" when a critic cites specific passages of his work are unsubstantiated claims, (not only copy/pasting them but mentioning exact talking points) he would get right down to business and offer the evidence to support those claims.

However this is typical. Lie, lie some more, look foolishly uninformed, then make personal attacks or complain to be a victim of gov't oppression when your errors are pointed out.

I guess it's no surprise most people regard the media as having integrity at or below that of politicians.

E Olson (not verified)

at 14:09 on April 17th, 2009

Very upbeat! I especially liked your calling for a neuramburgesque trial of those rich morons! I wish it could be so robust on main street. Would you write me a line if this should ever come through?

Eric

Scrivener

at 13:45 on April 18th, 2009

I will do you one better. I will suggest that the "good people on the inside" hold onto your IP address, just in case they think you should be called to testify!

poster (not verified)

at 18:48 on April 17th, 2009

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mary-neal-requests-meeting-usdoj-updated-comments

crimevic (not verified)

at 18:51 on April 17th, 2009

What's with the Foxwoods Casino get-up?

http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2009/03/104210.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxwoods

http://www.foxwoods.com/

anon post (not verified)

at 03:49 on April 18th, 2009

I also noticed the "Foxwoods" connection and wonder, as well.

Scrivener

at 11:51 on April 18th, 2009

Foxwoods was a sponsor of my TV program, "Sports Business Report with Vic Livingston," which ran on New York's Madison Square Garden Network from 1998 to 2004.

There used to be dozens and dozens of Google links referring to the program upon a keyword search. Upon the suggestion of a recent commenter here, I did a search last night and only came up with a handful of references. Strangely the phrase "Foxwoods Sports Business Report" did not yield a single link (at least not on my apparently mirrored and hijacked connection).

It appears that part of the price of being unjustly targeted is that one's internet "identity" is electronically obliterated, or the evidence seems to indicate.

I will be sure to take note of this symptom of character assassination in any upcoming efforts to reclaim my good name -- and apparently, my officially hijacked identity.

anon comment (not verified)

at 12:15 on April 18th, 2009

Any chance that "Foxwoods" could have anything to do with this? Julianne McKinney has said that it's not the government that's behind the targeting, etc. (or victimization) but, rather, multinational corporations and the like, I believe she said, though I don't want to misquote her, so I'll take responsibility... Your thoughts?

Scrivener

at 13:23 on April 18th, 2009

Native Americans always have been a convenient scapegoat for those who would engage in a covert social and physical genocide, haven't they?

anon comment (not verified)

at 19:17 on April 18th, 2009

I have to laugh, Vic. I didn't even know that Foxwoods had anything to do with Native Americans - I had heard that it was/is a casino. The conclusions to which we jump! (And I'm including myself.)

Like most, I want to see some progress made with regard to organized stalking. And I'll tell you what - I certainly don't have the time for any games.

Scrivener

at 23:16 on April 18th, 2009

My neurolinguisitic psy ops detector indicates that you sound like the guy who wrote that collection of half-truths and outright disinformation lies on the Yahoo chatboard -- the one that calls me a "Cointelpro" agent, a Foxwoods PR man who "refuses" to answer questions about his association with a casino fighting a union. (When they sponsored my show, there was no such union drive).

What a load of lame disinfo character "fragging." Whoever wrote that really must think readers are dummies. The obvious disinfo techniques are as transparent as they are ineffectual. Is there no "editing" in psy ops? No wonder they censor and harass.

Hey, if I'm "Cointelpro," will someone please tell the FBI to come up here are disarm the unit "irregulars" who are dosing me daily with various radiation weapons, as well as devices secreted on the premises? They must not take care of their "assets" very well.

Who is the idiot that thinks by slandering me by name, he's scoring points with the true victims of these officially-countenanced crimes? Just more ammo for me, thanks for that.

As for you, "anon comment," you're the game-player. And the sad thing is, we all have to pay for this, in many ways.

batvette

at 02:57 on April 19th, 2009

please tell the FBI to come up here are disarm the unit "irregulars" who are dosing me daily with various radiation weapons, as well as devices secreted on the premises?

LOL, I posted a link to the picture of my front door (from hell! to counter the lameness that he cannot keep perps out when he sleeps) when will Mr. Professional Investigative Journalist invest in one of those newfangled picture thingies- what are they called,a CAMERA? and post an image of this attic which is SO vast and uncharted it can secrete "phrogging" perps and self targeting microwave weapons?

Do any readers live in PA and own a ladder and a flashlight so we can save Vic's life?

Scrivener

at 19:39 on April 19th, 2009

"Do any readers live in PA and own a ladder and a flashlight so we can save Vic's life?"

Now THIS is very clever psy ops!

Doesn't change a thing, but very clever, indeed. Your best work so far.

Unfortunately, you distort by over-simplifying. Goggle "phrogging."

unconstitutional911

at 15:13 on April 18th, 2009

I have personally sent in a FOIA request on gang stalking which i found at this link. I am recommending that all of you do the same as we must expose this horror!

I am currently appealing a response from the FBI which follows in these scanned documents:

http://img18.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=foiaresponse1.jpg

You can find the FOIA request at the following link:

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-freedom-information-act-request?page=1

Here is my appeal letter as advised by my nowpublic friend PeaceFrog!:

April 17, 2009

Dear Sir or Madame:

I hereby APPEAL the decision and actions of the FBI in regard to my FOIA request dated 03/23/2009. The FBI sent me a letter dated April 6, 2009, denying any responsive records for “gang stalking” and informing me of my right to appeal. A copy of said FBI closing letter is attached to this administrative appeal letter.

Firstly, requester/appellant requested all FBI records pertaining to gang stalking. Requester gave numerous synonyms for the term and fully described the activity of gang stalking at length. Requester finds that the FBI’s response stating that no records were found is patently unbelievable.

Here is a current list of Google hits for gang stalking and related terms (as of the date of this letter):

Gang stalking: 558,000

Group stalking: 4,210,000

Community stalking: 3,680,000

Organized stalking: 1,220,000

Revenge stalking: 1,430,000

Vigilante stalking: 112,000

Terrorist stalking: 738,000

Gaslighting: 328,000

It is not believable that the FBI, the nations largest domestic intelligence agency, has no information on a subject of which the internet is ablaze. There are dozens of websites and blogs dedicated to gang stalking that have been around for years, as well as, dozens of Youtube videos on gang stalking. Also, a range of professionals including psychologists, private detectives, nurses, lawyers, etc. have publicly spoken, written and blogged on the subject. How could the FBI be thoroughly ignorant of a mass movement? Why are they hiding what information they have?

Moreover, in January 2009, DOJ issued a Special Report entitled “Stalking Victimization in the United States”. That report revealed some information that seems responsive to my request: 11% of stalking victims have been stalked for over 5 years; 18% reported stalking by 2 stalkers; 13% by 3 stalkers (oddly no statistics were reported for stalking by more than 3 stalkers); 34% reported use of computer spyware; 46% video surveillance; 42% audio surveillance/bugging; 11% GPS tracking. All of this is responsive to my request and the FBI is denying they have any such responsive records. This seems Orwellien, how could the FBI whose main database contains over 100,000,000 records miss this increase in sophistication and methodology in stalking?

At a minimum, the FBI should have used its search indices to search all of the enumerated terms listed in my request for gang stalking, as well as, any other terms known to the FBI for gang/group stalking. My request was specifically detailed and broadly worded and stated that it was to be broadly interpreted.

Requester-appellant submits that it is the duty of DOJ to remand this matter to the FBI with instructions to promptly conduct an adequate and reasonable search. Courts have uniformly held that respondent agencies should not play semantic word games, and, must conduct a complete and good faith search effort to find all responsive materials to a FOIA request.

Requester-appellant reserves the right to file suit in federal court in this matter as provided for by the FOIA.

Sincerely,

__________________________

batvette

at 23:09 on April 18th, 2009

nice!

anon one (not verified)

at 05:50 on April 19th, 2009

The previous comment is for Vic, lest there be any question. And though I said that you (Vic) "might have stopped after the first paragraph", I'm very weary of the issues noted by others: dubious claims, pretty-much-endless speculation, false hope, etc.

Scrivener

at 06:11 on April 19th, 2009

Yes -- we must distinguish all hope. Alienate the "target." Make him/her feel hopeless, alone, abandoned, with no support mechanism. And then we can more easily neutralize the individual as a mental defective, or a deviate, or a terrorist-sympathizing dissident, as we pursue our authoritarian designs. (For those literalist automatons out there, this is intended as "sarcastic psy ops.)

anon one (not verified)

at 06:43 on April 19th, 2009

No. Of course, we don't want to extinguish "all hope", but we don't want to hold out "false hope", either.

batvette

at 08:30 on April 19th, 2009

BTW, you recently claimed the reason no articles (other than the lone one you yourself provided a day later) appeared anywhere on the internet authored by you because your experience predated the internet's existence.

Yet here you were last July in the comments of one of your articles alluding to experience which contradicts that claim:

I don't know if the Canada.com site that's coming up on my connection is the real site or a "spoof" site. Something about the site's design and the article itself raises some flags in someone who's been around media for many years. The story just isn't written in the manner of a pro journalist, and the layout looks amateurish for a national site. Turn on the "Spoof Alert."

How would you know how a pro journalist writes? Have you known any? How do you know what a website layout should look like when your reporting never (save one) appeared on the web?

anonymous comment (not verified)

at 08:41 on April 19th, 2009

"Vic Livingston prints fiction as fact, and has no interest in the truth or helping to end gangstalking in America. Complete idiot or complete fraud, I'm not sure nor do I care."

- (written by batvette @ 09:11 on April 19th, 2009)"

This would be my assessment, as well, at this point, after reading these stories and comments for months. Well said.

When organized stalking/gang stalking ends, it will be in spite of Mr. Livingston, whoever he is.

Scrivener

at 16:14 on April 19th, 2009

DISINFO ALERT: lame psy ops

batvette

at 13:56 on April 20th, 2009

Broken record alert.

How self important must one be to always interpret criticism of Vic as disinformation regarding organized stalking. If I say "Vic is posting lies" why does that make me a disinfo agent against OS?

Scrivener

at 07:22 on April 21st, 2009

Res ipsa loquitor.

anon comment (not verified)

at 07:58 on April 21st, 2009

"The thing itself speaks."

How often you rely on "the work" (and lines) of others: Jonathan Turley, Keith Olbermann, Murrow, etc. What about originality?

If one looks at your numerous ACLU comments, as well as your articles which have been posted to the DailyKos, it is very clear that you are absolutely not being censored on a wide-scale. In the final analysis, you look like a lunatic, no matter what the underlying truth. And, in the process, you cast a wide shadow which negatively impacts the many good people who are currently being victimized by those involved in the crimes of "organized stalking." You may be one of those being victimized, but it's certainly difficult to tell at times.

Scrivener

at 13:12 on April 21st, 2009

Being that the phrase is ancient Latin, I don't know how you conclude that I learned it from Jonathan Turley.

As for the censorship, "not being censored on a wide scale" implies that some censorship is all right. Hey, this is the USA. If you think "some" censorship is okay, please move to Cuba, or Communist China.

I'd say the examples at this link indicate censorship and prior restraint is going on in a nation where that kind of thing is supposed to be unconstitutional.

http://blog.aclu.org/2009/01/26/
internet-filters-voluntary-ok-not-government-mandate

As for Olbermann, considering that I'm about eleven or twelve years older than he is, how do you know he didn't pick up a few things from me? I actually can remember hearing Murrow say, "Good night and good luck." I doubt Keith can say the same, seeing that Murrow left TV in the early '60s, when young Kieth was still a young child.

Since you're calling me a lunatic, I don't think it's out of order to say that you speak from ignorance. I hope your unit chief doesn't see this, for your sake.

anon comment (not verified)

at 13:30 on April 21st, 2009

Vic wrote ---> "Being that the phrase is ancient Latin, I don't know how you conclude that I learned it from Jonathan Turley."

Funny, I don't believe that I indicated that you had. Just how is it that you reached that conclusion, I wonder? Hmmm...

Name-calling, i.e. referring to you as a "lunatic" was not intentional but, still, I take responsibility and apologize for that. I sincerely hope you aren't, but many of your comments and responses make me question just who you are and what you're trying to accomplish.

Someone else has addressed the whole censorship thing and I'm not going there. I will say that I find some of your responses and comments tiresome, childish/immature and counterproductive. I believe, generally, in civil discourse and free-expression. Some in the media draw certain lines, have certain rules and you certainly haven't hesitated to take anyone to task who dares to step on your "right to blather on and on", in spite of the potential negative consequences for either yourself or others.

Ty Broussard (not verified)

at 14:55 on May 22nd, 2009

If you feel this journalist is disingenuous or a liar in his opinions, why do you spend these internet hours refuting his remarks,(poorly, I might say)? I say you work for and speak for those who are dangerously torturing and harrassing American citizens and they are "using" you to harrass Mr. Livingston and when you wake up on the other end of their "poison pens" who will you go to then? Vic Livingston?

Very likely you will be forgiven and helped as much as possible, unlike your handlers would do now!

batvette

at 16:26 on May 22nd, 2009

Umm, I'll play his sock puppet but won't attack you as that would merely put you on the defensive against me, I just ask you stay awhile and you'll eventually come around to what we're talking about. The why should be explained in the final (so far) comment in this article. As well his stuff is so ridiculous sometimes I'd do it for fun even if it couldn't affect my welfare, which it may very well.

Just remember "any publicity is good publicity" is NOT a good PR strategy for us, when it paints us as delusional, angry, dishonest to the point of outright lies, and uninformed about the technology we claim is used. I don't make those allegations lightly BTW.