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The Jerusalem syndrome :bulldozer runs wild in Jerusalem
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by korzac | July 22, 2008 at 03:51 am
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The Jerusalem syndrome...Driver of bulldozer shot death after ramming cars and pedestrians....Published: 07.22.08, 14:07 Israel time.
Police receive report on bulldozer crashing into cars on capital's King David Street. According to report, terrorist shot to death by civilian, Border Guard officers.
The police on Tuesday morning reported of shots heard on Jerusalem's King David Street after a bulldozer began running wild in the area.
The police reported that the terrorist was shot dead and two people were injured.
At around 2 pm, eyewitnesses reported seeing a bulldozer driver running wild in the city and overturning cars. Large rescue forces were dispatched to the area.
Dina, who works near the scene of the incident, told Ynet, "There are a lot of ambulances and police cars here. We heard three or four shots fired at the bulldozer driver.
Arik Blum, the manager of a nearby restaurant, added, "He overturned two vehicles. This bulldozer was smaller than the one used to carry out the attack at the beginning of the month. The bulldozer's window is full of bullets."
At the beginning of the month, three people were murdered when an east Jerusalem terrorist travelling on a bulldozer, crashed into cars and buses in central Jerusalem.
UPDATE. Bulldozer driver a relative of Hamas lawmaker.
Man who carried out Jerusalem attack named as Ghasan Abu-Tir of east Jerusalem. His relative, Palestinian Parliament member Muhammad Abu-Tir, is jailed in Israel .
18 injured in the bulldozer attack, see here.
UPDATE 2. What has President Mahmoud Abbas to say:
...."Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who was meeting with President Shimon Peres as the terror attack in Jerusalem occurred, condemned the attack carried out by a bulldozer driver on a rampage in Jerusalem, Tuesday.
Slideshow: Bulldozer attack "I understand this was a deliberate attack," Abbas said, "and we condemn any attack against civilians from both sides [of the Israeli-Arab conflict]," Abbas told TV reporters upon exiting the Beit Hanassi presidential residence in Jerusalem."...see here.
What has the democratic presidential candidate Barak Obama to say on the eve of his visit to Israel:
Tuesday's terror attack in Jerusalem, in which sixteen were wounded, is a reminder of the reality in Israel, presumptive Democratic presidential candidate, Barack Obama said Tuesday.
Speaking at a news conference in Amman, Jordan, Obama said "Today's bulldozer attack is a reminder of what Israelis have courageously lived with on a daily basis for far too long."
"I strongly condemn this attack and will always support Israel in confronting terrorism and pursuing lasting peace and security," he added.
The Democratic senator also said that his "thoughts and prayers go out to all who were injured, and to their families", see here.
What have witnesses and almost victim to tell:
Avi Levi was driving the bus that was rammed by the digger. "I was driving on the main road when it hit me in the rear, on the right hand side," he said. "After I passed him he turned round, made a U-turn and rammed the windows twice with the shovel. The third time he aimed for my head, he came up to my window and I swerved to the right, otherwise I would have gone to meet my maker," he told the Associated Press.
Another witness, Moshe Shimshi, was riding a motorcycle and stopped when he saw the digger colliding with the traffic. "He didn't yell anything, he just kept ramming into cars," he said. The digger then headed for a queue of cars waiting at traffic lights "and rammed into them with all his might," he said.
Shimshi said he saw a civilian man firing a pistol into the driver's cabin as he continued to ram into the cars. "After a few shots, I saw the driver shake and fall, and then he didn't move any more," he said, see here.
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at 04:03 on July 22nd, 2008
korzac, I like this story. It's good stuff. Terrorism by bulldozer?
at 04:08 on July 22nd, 2008
Actually terrorism by farm tractor, though both news sources say Bulldozer or Farm Tractor,
at 04:33 on July 22nd, 2008
Barry, it's a copycat bulldozer ...see PEP's link
at 07:00 on July 22nd, 2008
"it's a copycat bulldozer"
Was he copying the Israeli Military? They have found bulldozers to be very effective weapons. The Israeli Armored D9 is nicknamed "Teddy Bear".
Source: en.wikipedia.org
at 04:19 on July 22nd, 2008
The Jerusalem Post has photos and story, too.
at 04:29 on July 22nd, 2008
PEP, thanks for the JP link (Updated Jul 22, 2008 15:18) and for the GS.
at 04:31 on July 22nd, 2008
According to Haaretz, Jerualem's mayor said "Every industrial tool has become possible instrument of terrorism." The attacker had an Israeli ID card.
Great photo here with coverage.
at 05:37 on July 22nd, 2008
"Every industrial tool has become possible instrument of terrorism."
This statement rings very true.
Source: hrw.org
at 11:00 on July 22nd, 2008
Your source is hrw.org headed by Kenneth Roth.
Look at "Ken Roth's blood libel" published in the 'Jerusalem Post'. Here are the opening line ..."A Malaysian newspaper recently published an article headlined "Israel deliberately targeting civilians, says Human Rights Watch." Turkish newspapers ran similar items, repeating HRW's statements that "Israel intentionally bombs civilians." During the Lebanon War HRW's press releases, opeds and interviews with officials were cited in hundreds of newspapers around the world, providing seeming legitimacy from a "neutral source" to the violent anti-Israel protests and calls for revenge. For HRW and executive director Kenneth Roth, Israel is a highly emotional focus, and their reports are often biased and unreliable."...see more.
This was writen in 2006 at the time of the second Lebanon war. I suppose that hrw.org headed by Kenneth Roth, since then, has not changed his mind...So why should I believe that your today 'emotional and biased' source is better than the Israeli source, Professor Gerald Steinberg the Political Studies Department Chair at Bar Ilan University, who write the " "Ken Roth's blood libel" article. His credentials are excellent..see here.
BTW, why don't you observe what president Abbas said "and we condemn any attack against civilians from both sides [of the Israeli-Arab conflict]," . Or what Barak Obama said "The Democratic senator also said that his "thoughts and prayers go out to all who were injured, and to their families", .
This is a war Heritage, with victims on both sides...
And a final word, if you want to know better the Arab side of human rights violation not only the 'Israeli side', visit 'Emnisty International"....see here.
at 03:24 on July 24th, 2008
Why is a bulldozer a legitimate weapon for Israel and not the Palestinians?
Hi Korzac,
HRW is about as credible as they come. I understand that inside Israel they are dismissed as 'emotional and biased'. But your post and these comments are not about HRW, they are about bulldozers used as weapons against civilians.
Why is a bulldozer a legitimate weapon for Israel and not the Palestinians?
If the men in the Jerusalem bulldozer attacks are terrorists, what are the IDF forces and contractors who use them on a daily basis against civilians?
Thanks for the Amnesty International links, I've read many of their reports. HRW also has many reports about Palestinian human rights violations. You should check them out, perhaps you may find out why they are so respected in the rest of the world.
From Amnesty Inernational's website:
Palestinian homes demolished without warning
11 March 2008
Israeli army destroys Palestinian homes
14 February 2008
at 07:39 on July 24th, 2008
Hi heritage ,
Always good to see your comments about good causes but for the wrong points.
Here is a short story about bulldozers. Many years ago, when the Golan Heigth was Syrian, I worked with a bulldozer near the border, in plain Israeli territory, and was almost killed by Syrian snipers.. So we welded a few iron plate on the bulldozer, and see how nice, it becomes a defence bulldozer to save my life....
Well what you call a weapon is indeed a weapon in the hands of Muslim terrorist in Jerusalem. In the Israeli hands, among other tasks, if a bulldozer is needed it is for defence not for killing people...as in my case.
And see what Barack Obama has to say about defence:
"Israel should not negotiate with Hamas so long as the Islamist group poses a threat to Israeli citizens, US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Wednesday during his visit to the town of Sderot.
Obama said that if someone were firing on his home, where his two daughters were sleeping, he would do everything to stop the attacks – and that this is how he expects Israel to act as well.
During his brief visit to Sderot Obama also noted the terror attack in Jerusalem on Tuesday, Hezbollah attacks and the Iranian nuclear program, saying that all of these were genuine threats Israel faces alongside the Qassam rockets from Gaza. "
And for your ..."Perhaps you may find out why thy are so respected in the rest of the world".. So if Obama understand the Israeli situation is he not respected by the rest of the world, he the new messiah. And the Arab countries do they respect the Palestinians" for example Egypt with the blockade on her side of the Gaza Strip or Saudi with her petro-dollars is she respecting the Palestinians, and so on.
"The rest of the world' is a slippery phrase. Are you entitled to speak for the rest of the world..I think that your "rest of the world", in the western world, is a minority and nothing more, it is a modern arena where some armchair gladiators fights their 'Israeli visions', well as said in Arabic 'Mabrouk'.
BTW. I am glad that you did discover Amnesty.org . Bring us some news from the Hamas, Palestinian human rigths violations.
at 03:48 on July 28th, 2008
Here is a short story about bulldozers. Many years ago, when the Golan Heigth was Syrian, I worked with a bulldozer near the border, in plain Israeli territory, and was almost killed by Syrian snipers.. So we welded a few iron plate on the bulldozer, and see how nice, it becomes a defence bulldozer to save my life....
Thank you for the personal story. Is it possible that you, like HRW, are 'emotional and biased'?
Korzac wrote: Well what you call a weapon is indeed a weapon in the hands of Muslim terrorist in Jerusalem. In the Israeli hands, among other tasks, if a bulldozer is needed it is for defence not for killing people...as in my case.
For one side it is terror and the other it is defense. This could be viewed as a double standard, no?
Caption: Israeli D9 Armored Bulldozer, an instrument of terror or defense?
Korzac wrote: Bring us some news from the Hamas, Palestinian human rigths violations.
I prefer to focus on crimes of Occupiers, not their victims. I view the conflict as an Occupation. You view it as a war.
The international coverage tilts heavily, and understandably, toward the occupation-camp. It is not just the political tendency of most publications (and world governments) but also common sense: The war is over; the occupation is still with us.
From Rosner's Blog, Haaretz: It's not the war, stupid - it's the occupation
Korzac wrote: Obama said that if someone were firing on his home, where his two daughters were sleeping, he would do everything to stop the attacks...
Question: Would Obama make his home on occupied land?
at 00:57 on July 29th, 2008
Hi Heritage thanks for your 'quick' reply.
1- You ask me if I am 'emotional and biased', well, like everyone, from time to time I am emotional but biased I am not.
2- What you calld double standard is your interpretation of the facts not mine.
3- Let me quote you "I prefer to focus on crimes of Occupiers, not their victims.". Well if you prefer, then you are biased a priori, but I wish you good luck on your mission to ..."..focus on the crimes of occupiers..."
4- As to Rosner's blog "It's not the war, stupid- it's the occupation". The Arab West Bank leaders know exactly what to do: to signe a peace agreement with Israel, like Egypt and Jordan. Today Syria and Israel are trying to arrive at such an agreement.
5- As for your "Question: Would Obama make his home on occupied land?" Well I don't know .
But look at this, published in 1988 but historically true until today, I quote, "Congressional and museum leaders have become caught up in a seemingly intractable debate over how the United States should recognize the two peoples who suffered most in the growth of the nation: the Indians, who lost their land to the white settlers, and the blacks, who built much of it with their slave labor. "....see here.
If Obama is elected and invested as the president of the United States, his new home, the White House was indeed build by slaves on occupied Indian land ,see here. Perhaps you ask Obama about that...
6- And finally what was an informative news report describing in real time the Jerusalem bulldozer attack, was morphed by you into accusing Israel for all evills of the world. Really you don't need news. The words Israel in any context will trigger your own 'news'. For me the thread is closed. Have a good day.
at 07:15 on July 22nd, 2008
korzac, I like this story. It's good stuff. Thanks for the updates.
at 07:33 on July 22nd, 2008
korzac, I like this story. It's good stuff.
Thanks for updating it too.
at 07:35 on July 22nd, 2008
Thanks for the update korzac.
at 07:36 on July 22nd, 2008
Having the civilians taking matters into their own hands.
at 07:59 on July 22nd, 2008
No doubt this story will be well covered today/tomorrow.
Neve Gordon, Ben-Gurion University, wrote the article below comparing coverage of the first bulldozer attack with the coverage allocated to the residents of Ni'lin who have, for the past two months, been defending their land from Israeli seizures.
Source: zmag.org
at 08:53 on July 22nd, 2008
korzac, I like this story.
at 09:33 on July 22nd, 2008
korzac, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 11:09 on July 22nd, 2008
To Pasche, julianw, Johnny Sumerton, Rachel Nixon, jay.el, Rob Peters, amyjudd thanks for your interest...and the 'deluge' of GS.
at 11:17 on July 22nd, 2008
Niki3, thanks for adding the videos.
at 12:37 on July 23rd, 2008
korzac, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 22:29 on July 23rd, 2008
Jordan, thanks for the GS.
at 12:48 on July 23rd, 2008
korzac, I like this story. It's good stuff. Thanks for the added link to Amnesty.org.
at 23:07 on July 23rd, 2008
Rene, the Amnesty.org site shows the Palestinian human right abuses. Some commentators should refresh and upgrade their knowledge there. Their fixation on the 'bad' Israeli side of the conflict does more harm than good for the Palestinian cause. Look what Barak Obama said when visiting Sderot..'[Obama] said that if someone were firing on his home, where his two daughters were sleeping, he would do everything to stop the attacks – and that this is how he expects Israel to act as well."...see here. Is Barack Obama a bad anti Palestinian guy?
at 21:59 on July 23rd, 2008
korzac, I like this story. It's good stuff. Excellent updates Korzac
at 23:10 on July 23rd, 2008
Barry, thanks for the warm words and the GS.
at 08:12 on July 24th, 2008
Huk, sorry korzac, my story is similar to yours.. I didn't recognised that..I just thought the news was informative..peace!
at 21:38 on July 24th, 2008
pinkberry143, The bare news by witnesses on the spot is information if personal opinions are put aside for a few minutes..Thanks for the comment.