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Jewish/Christian/Islam Jointly Protest Israeli 'Ethnic Cleansing'
Islamic, Christian, and Jewish writers and bloggers are asking if Israel is conducting ethnic cleansing along the lines of 1930s fascism.
Israel’s latest wave of annexations and crack downs on demonstrators, and the arrest of Israeli and Palestinian peace activists and Pro-Palestinian foreigners has inspired the largest Israeli-Palestinian demonstration lead by all three-faith groups.
The Israeli police had done their best to prohibit this latest demonstration, however, the supreme court ruled in an appeal that it must be allowed. It will be met by the largest Israeli police contingent presence at any demonstration according to AFP.
The peace movement draws attention to the fact that Israel has defied several UN resolutions including the one that states Palestinian refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel. Others they violate are listed below:
- General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948 Israel's occupation of Palestine
- Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967 Israel's settlements in Palestine
- Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979 Palestinian's right to self-determination.
- General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974.
Dr. Norman Finkelstein has remarked that the collapse of Germany's fascist state has led to one of the most morally decent societies in existence today... will the same be true of Israel should a solution be found to this conflict?
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at 18:09 on March 7th, 2010
Guilty as charged
at 20:15 on March 7th, 2010
Anyone who claims anything related to Nazism was the best thing to happen to Germany loses all validity immediatley. And needs a lesson in German history.
at 23:01 on March 7th, 2010
Grace H, thank you for the comment and read here, however, I think you need to read Dr. Finkelstein his book on that matter and view his lecture to that regard before casting stones here.
His parents both survived the horrors of the Warsaw ghetto and the holocaust camps and lost most of their family and friends due to the NAZI.
The reality is that we all benefited from the NAZI, not only did we learn and realised how horrible we could be as humans, but most of our modern medicine, psychiatry, science, space station and technology including many of our household goods and luxuries would most likely not exist still today had it not been for that era and its atrocities.
Would we put our actions where our moral high ground speeches are, then we would have burned all there work, research and findings rather then use them and build on them. We are benefiting form that era in almost every aspect of our modern life. Those People that where killed in the holocaust and experimented on died for every one that today reaps the benefits of modern science and medicine. Even Israel does profit from that it self.
at 07:12 on March 8th, 2010
Uwe, you are being very malicious in your recent reports about Israel and have taken the extreme radical positions about Israel. Finkelstein is a second rate revisionist radical that has been discredited by even critics of Israel for lying about the facts on the ground. Also, the "respectable" Jews you try to pass off as relevant are a very small extreme orthodox group that has been so outside the Jewish pale that no one takes them serious except of course you and Iran.
Where are you going with all this. I have always respected your views even if I disagreed with them but these latest posts are riddled with misstatements and half truths. If you plan on taking up the banner of demonizing Israel and presenting these statements and people creditable then it is clear to me that you have crossed over the line into a dark place of hatred and evil intent. This is not honest criticism but an attempt to share with non-Jewish NP folks information that has been thrown out as BS long ago.
It is a sad day that you have so much time on your hands that you have sunk so deep into the vile attempt at presenting Jews of Israel as a whipping boy for your prejudices.
at 08:09 on March 8th, 2010
Hello Tikun, I know who Dr. Finkelstein is and why I included his bio from Wikipedia here. He has been resurfacing recently with a trip to the Middle East and Israel where he was denied entry again. Your accusations are rather low I must say. This post is about what is being reported and discussed in the news as well as on the Blogosphere, all the links are here to that regard. Should it not be reported just because it is not to your liking?
This is part of what is going on and yes it is of concern and needs to be addressed. Your critic is not honest here nor objective. If an Israeli can critic a Palestinian, then the opposite is fair as well. If only Jews are allowed to criticise Israel, then Israel better stop criticising every one them self... At least that would follow your logic proposed here.
The sadness lays in the new annexations Israel has conducted. There is no hate or evil intend other then what a government is inflicting onto a people. No different then writing about Zimbabwe or North Korea.
at 09:45 on March 8th, 2010
Hi Uwe,
I am not sure about "low" but just because any idiot, racist, and anti Semite can publish anything on the net does not mean it is worth repeating. But if it serves your self-interest or any other persons agenda then it can be passed off as "fact" or "truth" and you have no more responsibility. You are to savvy to play naive about the blogosphere and all that is written there of.
My critic is as honest as the next persons. Objectivity is in the eye of the beholder or even the narrative you buy into. It appears that you prefer an extreme understanding of the reality that is in play here.
You know all too well that I really do not care who, what, and how one criticizes Israel or any other entity for that matter. My response is to the disappointment at your attempt to de-legitimize the State using spurious characters and information that allows your hands to be "clean".
Israel has NOT annexed any new land or areas in the West Bank. All Israeli government did was, wisely or not, made some Holy sites to Jews, such as the burial site of Rachel, The burial site of the Patriarchs and Matriarchs, officially recognized as such. But the Arab world has spasms with a living Israel . So get your facts correct.
Israeli government is not inflicting "pain and suffering". It is the Palestinian leadership and their unwillingness to make peace with a Jewish State that has caused undue hardship. Besides, the news that does not make it into your articles is the incredible economic prosperity and cooperation between Israeli businesses and Palestinian enterprises that has unfolded creating jobs, money and a middle class that heaven forbid the Palestinian leadership would ever admit. This is a very complex place the Middle East. Words are part of the culture of lies and deceit. Say anything to support a narrative regardless if it is true. It has appeared to work with you.
at 17:23 on March 8th, 2010
I know Tikun, the anti-Semite card; I was waiting for that one. Finkelstein is a Jew btw. You should read some of his books.
"Israeli government is not inflicting "pain and suffering". It is the Palestinian" off course it is the Palestinian, you always say that.
Ironically this is also what Zimbabwe's rhetoric is, "it is always the other party." I do use the facts here, just follow the news links.
Two wrong never make it right Tikun. I always advocated that Israel exist and has the right to prevail and that Palestine has the same right to exist it self.
I did also say many times in the past that a religious state, may it be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Hindu or others has or have no place in a modern, democratic, free, just and equalitarian society.
Further, I always tried to keep religion; ethnicity and politics separate, for they simply do not mix. You on the other hand always pull the religious card when ever the state or government of Israel is criticized.
I do not support Hamas, however they are the rightfully democratically elected government that Israel and co forced into a corner just because they did not like the outcome of the elections. You cannot demand democracy from the Palestinian and then hit them when they do not vote, as you want them to.
The Statement from Dr. Finkelstein is harsh and yet he is making a point that most have been avoiding. The NAZI era is credited for the end or early end of the colonies and their independence, it has also lead to major scientific and technological break through that benefit us and that we still use today. The list goes on... That does not mean that what they did was good or forgivable or that it can be justified. The opposite is the case, however, we use their findings and break troughs to this day, which leaves us in a moral dilemma and double standard. Some of my Family died in those camps because they where Socialist and I do not think personally that NAZIISM had any thing good and yet I have to admit that we never questioned using their knowledge after the defeat. Making us all just as guilty.
Last, this post is mainly about the fact that there was not only a three-faith multi ethnic and multi cultural demonstration against the politics conducted by the Israeli government. It was also the largest of its kind in Israel to this day. This is a very positive evolution in its self.
Nevertheless, most seems to have missed that or I may really have done this news injustice in the way I broth it forward. Dr. Finkelstein is a respected scholar that you may not like because he does not bow to the main politically correct and unconditional defense of the state of Israel’s actions. His sort of opposition is what killed some of my ancestors that opposed in a similar way the NAZI.
at 05:39 on March 9th, 2010
Uwe,
Every time the word antiSemite is mentioned you and others play the "I was waiting for that." Maybe a ring of truth?
"Ironically this is also what Zimbabwe's rhetoric is, "it is always the other party."
Maybe it is the truth and you have a hard time with it because you are unwilling to see it. Just because others have claimed such has nothing to do with this issue. In fact, even suggesting that Zimbabwe is in any way connected to Israel is an insult and a diversion from the facts.
"I did also say many times in the past that a religious state, may it be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Hindu or others has or have no place in a modern, democratic, free, just and equalitarian society. "
I beg to differ with you. Most countries while not officially carrying a national religion do in fact identify as such. Nothing wrong with it. You seem to think it less then civil and democratic but in reality cultural and religious identification in no way inhibits democracy. As far as Israel is concerned, once again you no little of the facts or the truth. Israel is a Jewish State but secular as a national government. Identifying as Jewish and as a nation of Jews and other minorities has in no way inhibited the wonderful contributions we have made to man/women kind.
"Dr. Finkelstein is a respected scholar that you may not like because he does not bow to the main politically correct and unconditional defense of the state of Israel’s actions. "
I find your words offensive and demeaning. In fact he has been completely discredited by his own peers except for the radical left since he feeds their political agenda. We have a right to defend our country from people such as yourself that would like us to disappear. Your political slant is in fact right in line with our worst enemies.
"Last, this post is mainly about the fact that there was not only a three-faith multi ethnic and multi cultural demonstration against the politics conducted by the Israeli government. It was also the largest of its kind in Israel to this day. This is a very positive evolution in its self".
What dream are you living with this statement. I have had it with you and your constant attempt to make Israel the de-legitimate State in the region. I will no longer reply to your slant in reporting and your provocative statements and Jew baiting.
Now Public has hit an all time low allowing this nonsense as news. You representing them only makes Now Public party to your opinion in the guise as news.
I think that my years here will end and you can have a platform that in the end doesnt really receive all that much attention. I will formally ask the Publisher to remove me from this site.
at 21:23 on March 9th, 2010
If there is a man down the street that you do not like, he just happens to be a man down the street you don't like.
If there is a man down the street you don't like, and he happens to be Jewish, then you are an Anti Semite.
at 23:51 on March 7th, 2010
"........(T)he Israeli land was obtained through ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestenian inhabitants",Tanya Reinhart in her book' Israel/Palestine'.
A country whose entire superstructure stands on the foundation of ethnic cleansing,needs more structures and thus has to dig more foundations.
at 18:55 on March 8th, 2010
Porkpie Hat, click on the six hyperlink in the post and you will find it.
Or simply go to this link bellow and listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkOrc1zySmQ
at 08:40 on March 8th, 2010
:) You may have to listen to the whole Q/A forum and read his last book. I do not agree with it either, that does not make it any less relevant though or worth debating and thinking about.
True is that the NAZI scientist where protected by the US and kept on working for the US government regardless of their crimes. We used their findings and know how...
Your life may even have been saved with their discoveries. It is about double standards which seems to escape some or being be on most indoctrinated partisan narrow minds.
No coin has only one face.
at 09:03 on March 8th, 2010
which Nazi scientists were protected (names) and what did they actually go on to invent or discover? Your comment is too broad without a clear statement?
at 09:32 on March 8th, 2010
Here's some history on Nazi scientists brought to America:Operation PaperClip. nazi,cia,nazi scientist,german scientist,allen dulles,gehlen
at 05:24 on March 9th, 2010
I appreciate the link here nanute.
at 15:19 on March 8th, 2010
Wernher von Braun Was one of the best known scientist, and also proven to have used KZ camps members as guinea pigs for his experiments. Still the US gave him citizenship and he worked for NASA and helped you have many appliances and computers. Simens did develop the first computers, those where the base for what we use today. Simens also used KZ inmates and was a NAZI supporter. The list is long.
at 13:41 on March 8th, 2010
anyone who states "best thing that ever happened to Germany was Nazism and its defeat" dishonors the millions and millions who died including Germans!
at 18:52 on March 8th, 2010
You should watch the whole video of the six link in the post as well as the one bellow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyDrP2EsYGo&NR=1
This way you get his exact wording.
at 14:21 on March 8th, 2010
The Mondoweiss site I find has the best and most balanced arguments on the web for these topics. One current article:
Deck the halls: Finkelstein to speak on Goldstone at Harvard Law School
at 05:23 on March 9th, 2010
Thank you for the additional link hiflect.
at 05:45 on March 9th, 2010
"The Mondoweiss site I find has the best and most balanced arguments"
Hidflect, this site is notorious for a one sided view of Israel and its adversaries. So at least be honest and have some integrity about the site.
at 01:35 on March 9th, 2010
When the Palestinians except Israel's right to exist, it will be the first real sign they are serious about peace. When the Palestinians except that the whole of Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, it will be the second real sign that they are serious about peace. If Arabs can live in Israel then when Palestinians except Jews can live on the West Bank, it will be the third real sign they are serious about peace. As of 2008, Arab citizens of Israel comprise just over 20% of the country's total population.
at 09:42 on March 9th, 2010
That is a very poor argument "St pete". Had we gone by that, we would not have negotiated nor kept diplomatic ties or made peace with the former Soviet Union, China or even Brazil and many others.
We never asked them to change their manifesto as a pre condition to peace nor did they ask the West to change theirs.
Only a coward and ill intended person would use that argument as an excuse to justify Israelis current politics wish will lead to a massacre like the one that almost exterminated the Amerindians of North America.
at 21:31 on March 9th, 2010
The Palestinians can not accept Israel's right to exist, as in doing so they would weaken their negotiating position by in essence making all acts performed by the the "State of Israel" since it's inception to be lawful.
Jerusalem should always belong to more than one faith I.M.O
at 22:20 on March 9th, 2010
Jerusalem will always belong to more than one faith, Jews, Muslims, Christians, but politically it is the capital of Israel and it can't be any other way. Yasser Arafat had an opportunity to make peace but in the end he couldn't utter the words, "I want peace!"
at 22:58 on March 9th, 2010
From my armchair perspective the State of Israel has never taken the peace process serious. They have always seemed to have a "take it or leave it mentality" and have never tried to make the negotiation a "win win"for both sides. Further, being a powerful functioning modern State, It seems to me they have never shown what most would consider "restraint" when dishing out reprisals for the actions of a few extremist of a rag tag displaced and disenfranchised people, and on occasion their overwrought reprisals do indeed delay talks of peace even further.
at 00:14 on March 10th, 2010
" It seems to me they have never shown what most would consider "restraint" when dishing out reprisals for the actions of a few extremist" the same could have been said against the US over the 9/11 but instead of restraint it invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, killing tens of thousands of civilians.
at 08:27 on March 10th, 2010
Pray tell, How do the actions, whether correct or incorrect, taken by the USA in the performance of its foreign policy have any bearing in the defense of the State of Israels actions against Palestinians? Please tell me your defense is not the childhood, "he did it, so I thought it was alright" defense.
at 05:49 on March 9th, 2010
St. Pete the argument is reasonable and another voice in this debate.
Uwe, there you go again dissing some one that disagrees with you.
"Only a coward and ill intended person would use that argument as an excuse to justify Israelis current politics wish will lead to a massacre like the one that almost exterminated the Amerindians of North America. "
Since when were you all knowing about any outcome? The only coward is the one that hides behind the extreme views you have presented.
at 06:17 on March 9th, 2010
You will have much blood on your hands Tikun for you are the only extremist here.