Joe the Plumber was registered with the Natural Law Party

Barbara, He was a real person that was questioning Obama on the campaign trail.  Cameras caught it all.  Joe may not be fictional..  more like frightening.  The one thing I can say about the Natural Law Party is that it is based on some new physics and a desire for peace on earth.  The unified field is, in theroy, something we all can tap into, if enough meditate and enter into the state of the unified field peace can come. 

Yeah, candidates talking about Joe the Plumber multiple times during the debate.  It is amazing how both Parties latched on to the Joe story. 

I knew that McCain was going to light up this time.  I do not think he got a home run.  The debate is good for a short term 2 point up tick.  Sen. McCain reminded me of someone who would take pop shots then back off, come back take another and then back off again.  He was told by his folks to go after Obama but don't make it look like your angry.

Speaking of movies, "A  few good men"  Demi Moore told Tom Cruise that if he couldn't get Nickleson to back off.  Now tom cruise went in and finally yelled, "I want the truth", and then the statement, "you cant handle the truth" and he went nuts. 

McCain chiped but never went the whole way... He lost because he was unwilling to take a chance.  

Thanks Jordan

It is the Party were everyone meditates and it will bring world peace.  I think they are on the wrong frequency in the Unified field

You have enough for an article of your own.  Yeah, I saw that he is not a licensed plumber as well.  The name he is registered under doesn't appear correct either.  I don't think I would go to the polls to vote with all of the problems.  I think it would be good for Joe the Plumber to leave McCains mouth ASAP. 

It is amazing what the net has done to politics.  One story and a hundred thousand bloggers and new media look for the truth.  I really think that is our contribution, as many of us, have the time to follow through on a Guy like this and find out so much.  

During the Youtube/CNN/RPOF debate in St Pete, I was in the spin room when I found out that one of the guys who questioned the Republicans was a string Hillary supporter and worked for her.  Then in an hour folks stated finding out the backgrounds of all those who were chosen to ask questions.  I think when all the net fact checkers got done, they found out that 3/5th of the questions came from within Obama, Clinton, Edwards, and others. 

Just 4 years ago we did not have this level of sophitication.  Heck, I was in the spin room and didn't find out all of the information until I got back to my hotel.  I was oblevious to what other folks were up to.  Some of the young kids really know how to manover the net and find anything on anybody.

BTW thanks for your GS flag.  It is satisfying when I can flag a story of yours and get a flag from you on a story even though we are quite opposite politically.  I hope NP continues with an unbiased format as we can dialogue.  I learn a lot from you.

Al

Thanks Rene,

I think McCain will get a 2 point jump from this debate.  He did not seal the deal.  But I remember the last two elections.  Gore and Kerry were up by over 10 points at this time.  Kerry exit polling said he won by a large margin. 

I don't need anyone to say that Bush was selected not elected either.  In Florida, you want to talk voter suppression, what about the 28,000 military ballots?  Oh and how about the 5500 convicted felons that cast their ballots in Florida.  Now I wonder, if Bush won by  only 537 votes, and the Gore Lawyers was able to suppress military absentee votes and the 5500 felons that voted in Florida.  Now how many of the felons do you think were republican?  I submit almost none.

Florida, this year, has not taken the felons off and there are 30K or more on the roles that can vote in this next election. 

All the talk about Republicans and voter suppression in 2000 were not there, I was, Gore's lawyers did everything they could to get the Military voters to be disqualified because some of them arrived or were postmarked a day after they were supposed to be in.  They also went over every one of them for any mistake by the Veterans.

ACORN also focused their registration drives in 10 swing states.  In ohio alone there is almost 80K registrations that could be wrong.  I wonder what is going on here.... do you think It might be on purpose, so that the Obama campaign can pick any state and say, hey, there is voter fraud or suppression in this state of that state.  It is genious but very unethical.  I thought Obama was differant?  I guess he is not really clean like he says. 

Last night at the debate when he was asked about ACORN he said he only worked as a lawyer for them and that is it.  He lied.  I don't use that term losely.  He trained ACORN, he also gave 835,000 dollars to a sub group of ACORN.  Something we call in the PR world as a turf group.  

This is how it works:  You set up a 501(c) corp, give it a name, and do business under that name rather then the controverisial name.  The turf group (fake grass roots) then forwards the money to the group that is sopposed to get the money.  In this case ACORN.  He denied that he gave them 835,000 dollars.  ACORNs leader is saying that the Turf group only gave them 80K to help them.  The proble is that they are one in the same.  It is the same thing money launderers do.

Enough of my rant.  It is just dirty politics.

Software glitch and it happens to me sometimes, I normally come back the next day then it works. I expect you got the node file trying to download.  

Also, this piece you did should have been markd opinion.

You are right he is not a licened plumber.

Regarding Obama's plan.  Obama cannot do anything with out Congress approval.  You may as well disregard anything the candidates are promicing as they are powerless to change the tax code on their own.   If Obama and McCain were honest, they would say, "with the approval of congress, this is what I will do". 

Regarding McCains failing campaign-  I wouldn't put a whole lot of credibility on the national polls.  In the last 2 elections the democratic nomonee was 10 points above.  Now it is true that VP Gore did win the poular vote with a very small margin.  Kerry lost by a more significant margin.

Pollsters don't seem to have a good handle on national results.  The thing to look at is the electoral map, as that is what determines who becomes the president.  It takes 270 electoral votes to get the presidency.  Right Now Obama has that wrapped up.  Guess what?  So did Gore and Kerry at this time 4 and 8 years ago. 

I take issue with your belief that McCains campaign is failing as todays tracking polls show a boost from the last debate.

You are right about, "Joe the Plumber"  The only reason that McCain used him was to outline that Obama will redistrbute income.  Basically punishing sucess in America and giving money to those who are not sucessful.

I give a good protion of my income to charities I choose.  I think that it should be that way.  The government does a poor job in this matter.  Look at what Former Pres Clinton/Bush are doing together.  They have raised millions of dollars for disaster releif.  Americans are good about giving money to help folks.  When the government takes away those funds, Americans are a bit less likely to give to the poor as they are taxed for this service.  I think the American people should be given the option on where they want to give.  But I am a conservative.  Just a quick note here.  It is a fact that Joe Biden who beleives in the government taxing folks to give to the poor gave only 3600.00 to charity in the last 10 years.  He makes my point, when you think the government is the responcible party, folks give less.  I have seen the tax returns of VP Gore and he gave just over 3% of his income to charity.  There are many examples.  Take republican candidates... much more of their overall income goes to charity.  Bush quadulped (with the approval of congress) money going to Africa over President Clinton.  (I don't want to say much bad about Clinton here because he spends a great deal of his time now raising money for disaster relief.

McCain should have vetted this guy... maybe should have not used him at all.  candidates think we are dumb and give us examples of their policies using little stories.  Both parties do this.  I got sick of hearing Hillary Clinton tell the same storoes over and over again while she campaigned in the south.  Basically I am tired of all the stories these folks tell. 

Thanks for your comment.  I agree with about half of what you said.  Thats pretty good as it appears we come from differant ideology.