Liz Cheney Defends Right Wing Whacko "Birther" Movement

by TheCameraObscura | July 23, 2009 at 10:20 am

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The "birther movement," right wing whackos who think Barak Obama was born in Kenya or some other foreign country got pounded earlier this week by Chris Matthews on Hardball and by CNN's Rick Sanchez who debunked the "birthers" movement whacko birth certificate claim.

Yes, that's a FACT: Barak Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. It was verified on October, 31 2008 by Hawaii’s Department of Health.

(Note this story was classified as an "opinion" by an ANONYMOUS THIRD PARTY it is not an opinion, it is a FACT)

But Liz Cheney came right back and defended these kooks on Larry King Live!

UPDATE: G. Gordon Liddy claims Obama was not born in the U.S. and is here illegally!

Appearing on "Larry King Live," Liz Cheney defended angry Republicans who claim President Obama was not born in the U.S. by suggesting that people have reason to question Obama's national loyalty.

Fellow guest James Carville seemed momentarily flabbergasted. "These poor pathetic people are believing stuff just like Ms. Cheney tonight," he concluded. "She refuses to say this is ludicrous because she wants these people to believe this."

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Levey (not verified)

at 10:53 on July 23rd, 2009

Not born in this country, eh?

You mean like as in Bush did not really win the first election?

I would say "good try" republicans, but it actually falls sadly short. Enough of this cynical group they are doing nothing these days but perpetuating the belief that white people are ALL this way. I promise we are not.

politisite

at 12:06 on July 23rd, 2009

It is interesting that the Birthers are right wing wackos but the Bush lost both elections folks are middle Americans LOL. I was in Florida during the 2000 election covering the recount. News papers actually counted the ballots. In every case Bush won. But the false belief continues.

TheCameraObscura

at 15:21 on July 23rd, 2009

Actually Bush didn't win in "every case" of the recounts. Perhaps you've forgotten that Bush sued to stop a hand recount in Bush vs. Gore, and won 5-4 in the US Supreme Court. That ruling overruled the Florida Supreme Court ruling that the hand recount should continue. That hand recount was never completed. How could you be in Florida in 2000 and be so unaware of that enormous story?

As far as the birth certificate, on October 31, 2008: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Barack Obama was born in Honolulu:

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate,” said Chiyome Fukino. “State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

politisite

at 17:18 on July 23rd, 2009

The media reported the results of the study during the week after November 12, 2001. The results of the study showed that had the limited county by county recounts requested by the Gore team been completed, Bush would still have been the winner of the election.

Now with this evidence would one who doesn't believe it be a wacko?

I was credentialed press and was there.

TheCameraObscura

at 19:42 on July 23rd, 2009

1. Anyone can register to Wikipedia and write anything.

2. How in the world can anyone predict what the outcome of the hand recount would be? Crystal ball?

3. You claimed Bush won all the recounts, you still FAILED to note that the final hand recount was never completed thanks to Bush's lawsuit (Bush vs Gore) and the decision at the Supreme Court.

Roy C

at 14:48 on July 23rd, 2009

It would be very simple to produce a real birth certificate, but, until now, we have a registration of live birth, which means that Hawaiian woman has given birth, somewhere in the world, not necessarily in the US.

Which hospital would that be where it was proven that he had been born? "NO hospital".

Can we still be wrong about this? Perhaps. I am suspicious, though.

TheCameraObscura

at 15:11 on July 23rd, 2009

The birth certificate was already produced, Roy. From October 31, 2008:

The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu.

Ironically, the white Republican (from the 2008 race) John McCain was not born in the USA, but in Panama, but "birthers" don't seem to mind that.

Roy C

at 16:27 on July 23rd, 2009

But that is only one of the problems.

The second one has to do with his citizenship in Indonesia. He went to public school there after his mother became an Indonesian citizen and his step-father adopted him.

Right then and there, Obama lost his American citizenship. He was, in fact, as has already been seen many times, listed as a Muslim and as a citizen of Indonesia in the school records.

His name, a similar last name, with a hometown in Indonesia, appears on a list of foreign students at Occidental College. Apparently, he used his Indonesian passport to qualify for aid as a foreign student.

Now, this problem will not be overcome with some statement from a Hawaiian official.

Once the citizenship is lost, getting it back or not, he would not be a "natural born citizen" anymore. And, on this one, I would bet that the problem was not going away.

TheCameraObscura

at 16:41 on July 23rd, 2009

Roy: "Now, this problem will not be overcome with some statement from a Hawaiian official. "

Umm, it's not some statement from some official, Roy. It's verification from director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, Chiyome Fukino. Are you actually implying that the state of Hawaii's department of health is on some conspiracy? Where's th Proof?

Roy: "The second one has to do with his citizenship in Indonesia. He went to public school there after his mother became an Indonesian citizen and his step-father adopted him.

Attending school in a foreign land does not strip anyone of citizenship. If one's parent becomes an Indonesian citizen, that does not strip anyone of citizenship. If that were the case, everyone's citizenship would be at the mercy of their parents.

Roy: "Once the citizenship is lost, getting it back or not, he would not be a "natural born citizen" anymore. And, on this one, I would bet that the problem was not going away."

You've not proven that Barak Obama's citizenship "was lost" or that any American's citizenship can be lost. Those are notions in your head, not US law.

At no time did Barak Obama renounce his US citizenship as an adult.

Roy C

at 16:51 on July 23rd, 2009

That is the US law. If your mother becomes the citizen of another country and you are her minor child, then you become a citizen of that country too.

That is the law.

TheCameraObscura

at 19:37 on July 23rd, 2009

Roy, prove it, Cite us that law. Be specific. Show us that American citizens can lose their citizenship if their mother becomes a citizen of another country.

rng (not verified)

at 06:48 on July 24th, 2009

Wrong about pretty much everything and certainly the law:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/02/hollister-v-indonesian-citizenship-law/

Roy C

at 16:54 on July 23rd, 2009

The law in Indonesia does not permit foreigners to use the public school system. You must become a citizen first.

TheCameraObscura

at 19:46 on July 23rd, 2009

Where is the proof of that law in Indonesia and the proof that law was in effect during Obama's time in Indonesia?

Also, where is the proof Obama renounced and surrrendered his US citizenship while a minor?

Where is the proof that Indonesian laws supercede US laws? Are you ceding US sovereignity to Indoanesia?

Roy C

at 16:43 on July 23rd, 2009

I have read the report on that Hawaiian official. OK. That prove that was has been shown is not a birth certificate.

Now that Alan Keyes has just gotten the chance for his day in federal court to prove that Obama was not a citizen when he ran for the US Senate, we will see.

TheCameraObscura

at 16:51 on July 23rd, 2009

Roy: "I have read the report on that Hawaiian official. OK. That prove that was has been shown is not a birth certificate."

Really? Explain that Roy, tell us EXACTLY how that does not suffice.

Keep in mind FactCheck.org has seen the birth certificate as well, as noted in Rick Sanchez' news report that I inked.

Are they in on the conspiracy too, with the sate of Hawaii? Any proof of that?

Alan Keyes has no proof and he will strike out just as Philip J. Berg did, when he tried to prove Obama was not a US citizen. The Supreme Court slapped him down.

Roy C

at 16:53 on July 23rd, 2009

The official needs to make a sworn deposition to that effect, punishable by perjury.

Alan Keyes will get his day in court. This will all be resolved.

TheCameraObscura

at 19:49 on July 23rd, 2009

Mr, Keyes will lose, just as Philip J. Berg lost, and more "birther" whackos will file another lawsuit, etc...

Hawaii’s Department of Health head Chiyome Fukino has not committed any falsehood and you have ZERO proof that Fukino has.

And BTW Republican Governor of Gawaii Linda Lingle had her name on Fukino's press release of October 31, 2008, . So now you've got to include REPUBLICAN Governor Lingle in your conspiracy theory. Good luck.

rng (not verified)

at 06:53 on July 24th, 2009

State Dept says birthers theory nonsense

In a surprise move, the United States Departments of State and Homeland Security in an answer to FOIA lawsuit Strunk v. U. S. Department of State denied essentially all of the birther allegations against President Obama’s eligibility! Here are excerpts from the document filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia today:

To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States or is otherwise ineligible to serve as President of the United States, that allegation is denied.

To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama may be an illegal alien or that President Obama is or ever was a citizen of Indonesia, those allegations are denied.

To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama’s birth certificate has not been released to the public, that allegation is denied. To the extent this paragraph alleges that the birth certificate released to the public at the direction of President Obama is not a valid birth certificate or that such certificate is not sufficient proof of U.S. citizenship, those allegations are denied.

Specifically, Defendants deny that President Obama was born in Kenya or anywhere outside the state of Hawaii.

To the extent this paragraph alleges that Lolo Soetoro is or ever was President Obama’s father by birth or adoption, that allegation is denied. To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is or ever was a practicing Muslim, that allegation is denied.

rng (not verified)

at 06:55 on July 24th, 2009

In a surprise move, the United States Departments of State and Homeland Security in an answer to FOIA lawsuit Strunk v. U. S. Department of State denied essentially all of the birther allegations against President Obama’s eligibility! Here are excerpts from the document filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia today:

To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States or is otherwise ineligible to serve as President of the United States, that allegation is denied.

To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama may be an illegal alien or that President Obama is or ever was a citizen of Indonesia, those allegations are denied.

To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama’s birth certificate has not been released to the public, that allegation is denied. To the extent this paragraph alleges that the birth certificate released to the public at the direction of President Obama is not a valid birth certificate or that such certificate is not sufficient proof of U.S. citizenship, those allegations are denied.

Specifically, Defendants deny that President Obama was born in Kenya or anywhere outside the state of Hawaii.

To the extent this paragraph alleges that Lolo Soetoro is or ever was President Obama’s father by birth or adoption, that allegation is denied. To the extent this paragraph alleges that President Obama is or ever was a practicing Muslim, that allegation is denied.

Rory Cripps

at 16:45 on July 23rd, 2009

Yes! There certainly are alot of "Right Wing Whackos" out there! "Left Wing Whackos, too, let's not forget! ! In this case, my hat is off to the "Left Wing Whackos" because they've convinced talk-radio hosts (of the "Rght Wing Whacko" persuasion) that "Left Wing Whackos" are right on this one. The first time ever! I heard, somewhere, that Liz Cheney is gay. Did I hear right or left?

TheCameraObscura

at 16:50 on July 23rd, 2009

Prove me wrong, Rory Cripps, why can't you?

FYI, Mary Cheney is a lesbian and came out publicly of her own accord, it wasn't any "left wing whackos."

Rory Cripps

at 17:02 on July 23rd, 2009

YES! Mary is the gay one! And Liz is the not gay one! Prove you wrong about what? I've got no axe to grind here. I think that they all suck! Hey, if President Obama is a bonafide U.S. citizen that's great! If he's not, what difference does it make? After all, we're all Americans. There's nothing like a little political ideology to get the juices flowing is there? I gave up the ideology stuff years ago . . . it wasn't productive.

TheCameraObscura

at 19:51 on July 23rd, 2009

Rory, you were the one who suggested the left claimed that Liz Cheney was a lesbian, I proved you 100% wrong.

Rory Cripps

at 14:35 on July 24th, 2009

CameraObsura: Sorry! It was just my feeble (and failed) attempt at humor! I wasn't attempting to attribute anything to (or cast aspersions upon) any particular ideology or political party. Anyone that knows me, knows that I don't have a political/ideological axe to grind and that I am not a member of the blind faith. I make a sincere effort to be objective and fair when it comes to politics and political ideologies. Often times, people even get upset with me due to my cynicism and unwillingness to tow the political line right, left, or middle. I make every effort to keep up on my American history and civics (there's a word that I bet a lot of you younger folk aren't familiar with). For example, I just finished reading a recently released biography of Andrew Jackson. American political and economic history often repeats itself, however many (if not most) Americans seem to think that the contemporaneous politics that they hear and read about is something new and different.