As a Canadian I would say our systems are different and not really comparable. We cover everyone. No payment arrangements are made by a Canadian when they visit a doctor or a hospital. We give our Care Card number and that is it - we never see a bill or are in any way part of the billing procedure.
The price we pay for covering all our cisizens is quality. Both in terms of availability of specialists and in terms of access to capital intensive proceedures (MRI scans for instance). We do have complete control over choosing our doctors and hospitals as payment is never an issue.
Having said that we do not provide the finest "gold standard" care. Care that say would come to the top 5% of US insurance holders. We do however provide better quality and access than what is available to most Americans.
We may just sleep a little better knowing that there is never going to be a time when we have to worry about the cost of any treatment for any medical condition we may face. No Canadian ever went bankrupt trying to pay for a necesssary treatment.
We also pay much less for most drugs due to the bargaining power of a single payer system. But in some cases that also means that we have to wait for a new drug to be covered in Canada if the national insurer decides that it is either too experimental or too expensive.
Our system, however, due to the monopoly model has some built-in inefficiencies. We forbid private clinics from competing with public hospitals when it comes to "medically necessary treatments". We have lots of private clinics but they are restricted to non-emergency treatments like joint replacements, cosmetic proceedures, physical rehabilitation, knee surgery and similar treatments that involve non-life threatening conditions.
I would not trade our system for that of the US. Our working poor do not have to choose between health care and food or shelter nor do they have to put off treatment because they cannot afford it. I think it makes for a healthier population overall. I do think, however, that we should encourage more competition between the public sector providers and private clinics within a single payer model to increase our efficiencies. The best model in my opinion would be a competitive single payer system that provides universal access to all citizens along with the efficiencies of a competitive market.
I agree. Though there have been too many cutbacks, and the waiting lists keep getting longer, at least we all have access to health care without losing our homes. The health care costs are very high in the USA because human suffering is big business there, and someone is pocketing a lot of money, such as pharmaceuticals, and equipment providers. Even the ones insured still have to pay what is not covered. And many times that amount paid is ALMOST AS MUCH AS IF YOU PAY THE FULL PRICE IN CANADA without medical insurance.
We must not allow erosion of our medical system, nor allow privatization to take over. Remember a hip replacement is not considered life-threatening, but having to wait two years for surgery, IN PAIN, is atrocious. They should expand the life-threatening designation to include people who are tortured with pain every day, being told just take narcotics for the pain.
In conclusion, when compared globally, we are doing pretty good. Thanks to the 2004 winner of the Greatest Canadian contest, Tommy Douglas.
Every time McCain slanders Canadian health care, my wife and I exchange glances and shake our heads, rejoicing in the fact that we moved here from the US three year's ago. Having experienced both health care systems, I can say that for us at least, it's been far cheaper here and I've gotten far better care. I'm not a huge user of the system, but have had 3 or 4 instances where prescription drugs as well as multiple visits with a doctor were required. In all cases, my experiences in Vancouver have been better than they were in Boston, which is supposed to be one of the best places in the states for health care.
It may be seen as acceptable to slam a medical system if you think that health care is a 'responsibility' (and is that a responsibility to one's self as I fear McCain means it?) or a 'right' which is how Canadians and Obama see health care.
I get quite annoyed when rich Americans dis Canada's health care system. Our poor can get help when they need it, even streetpeople. How a country treats its poorest is a strong reflection on the real, everyday ethics/morality of its population and, especially, its government.
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at 11:35 on October 31st, 2008
As a Canadian I would say our systems are different and not really comparable. We cover everyone. No payment arrangements are made by a Canadian when they visit a doctor or a hospital. We give our Care Card number and that is it - we never see a bill or are in any way part of the billing procedure.
The price we pay for covering all our cisizens is quality. Both in terms of availability of specialists and in terms of access to capital intensive proceedures (MRI scans for instance). We do have complete control over choosing our doctors and hospitals as payment is never an issue.
Having said that we do not provide the finest "gold standard" care. Care that say would come to the top 5% of US insurance holders. We do however provide better quality and access than what is available to most Americans.
We may just sleep a little better knowing that there is never going to be a time when we have to worry about the cost of any treatment for any medical condition we may face. No Canadian ever went bankrupt trying to pay for a necesssary treatment.
We also pay much less for most drugs due to the bargaining power of a single payer system. But in some cases that also means that we have to wait for a new drug to be covered in Canada if the national insurer decides that it is either too experimental or too expensive.
Our system, however, due to the monopoly model has some built-in inefficiencies. We forbid private clinics from competing with public hospitals when it comes to "medically necessary treatments". We have lots of private clinics but they are restricted to non-emergency treatments like joint replacements, cosmetic proceedures, physical rehabilitation, knee surgery and similar treatments that involve non-life threatening conditions.
I would not trade our system for that of the US. Our working poor do not have to choose between health care and food or shelter nor do they have to put off treatment because they cannot afford it. I think it makes for a healthier population overall. I do think, however, that we should encourage more competition between the public sector providers and private clinics within a single payer model to increase our efficiencies. The best model in my opinion would be a competitive single payer system that provides universal access to all citizens along with the efficiencies of a competitive market.
at 14:20 on November 1st, 2008
I agree. Though there have been too many cutbacks, and the waiting lists keep getting longer, at least we all have access to health care without losing our homes. The health care costs are very high in the USA because human suffering is big business there, and someone is pocketing a lot of money, such as pharmaceuticals, and equipment providers. Even the ones insured still have to pay what is not covered. And many times that amount paid is ALMOST AS MUCH AS IF YOU PAY THE FULL PRICE IN CANADA without medical insurance.
We must not allow erosion of our medical system, nor allow privatization to take over. Remember a hip replacement is not considered life-threatening, but having to wait two years for surgery, IN PAIN, is atrocious. They should expand the life-threatening designation to include people who are tortured with pain every day, being told just take narcotics for the pain.
In conclusion, when compared globally, we are doing pretty good. Thanks to the 2004 winner of the Greatest Canadian contest, Tommy Douglas.
at 16:57 on October 31st, 2008
Every time McCain slanders Canadian health care, my wife and I exchange glances and shake our heads, rejoicing in the fact that we moved here from the US three year's ago. Having experienced both health care systems, I can say that for us at least, it's been far cheaper here and I've gotten far better care. I'm not a huge user of the system, but have had 3 or 4 instances where prescription drugs as well as multiple visits with a doctor were required. In all cases, my experiences in Vancouver have been better than they were in Boston, which is supposed to be one of the best places in the states for health care.
It may be seen as acceptable to slam a medical system if you think that health care is a 'responsibility' (and is that a responsibility to one's self as I fear McCain means it?) or a 'right' which is how Canadians and Obama see health care.
at 12:24 on November 1st, 2008
I get quite annoyed when rich Americans dis Canada's health care system. Our poor can get help when they need it, even streetpeople. How a country treats its poorest is a strong reflection on the real, everyday ethics/morality of its population and, especially, its government.
at 14:26 on November 1st, 2008
I agree.