More and more INCs shout, "Where is Sir Erano Manalo?"
Third Call, Still Deaf Ears
Would any of Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) correct me if I say, "More and more Iglesia ni Cristo members shout and even ask, Where is Sir Erano Manalo, also known as Ka Erdie Manalo, (also known as Ka Erdy Manalo)?
Instead, their INC Ministers front deaf ears and badmouth another preacher here in the cyberspace news forums and the likes to divert attention away from their Sir Erano Manalo.
There is a need to discuss this because of the pressure that is building up inside the INC Ministers, INC faithfuls, and supporters that leads them to act on their own, even collectively without a leader.
Abusing a person is against human rights and even against God. A leader should know this.
Despite the Vatican-like structure of Iglesia ni Cristo Central Office, one cannot find its Official Website, where they can release their tension or where they can be taught of good manners, to say the least. If you can only read some of their foul words, they don't even know the person whom they are talking to personally, whether their mother really is a prostitute or they treasure life, yet they say it as if no consequence can befall them. Why can't Erano Manalo pay a website which they can call their very own? Why can't he even come up with a televised program segment where he can answer live telephone patch, now that they have copied Ang Dating Daan, The Old Path (ADD) TV program with their Ang Tamang Daan TV program which persecutes Brother Eliseo Soriano, at all cost. It has been years since Bro. Eli dared Erano Manalo for a debate. Even Bro. Eli broadcasted his intention to pay for it in Live TV Broadcast, no one in the Manalo clan came out.
Wikipedia.orgThe Iglesia ni Cristo Central Office complex is a large, secured complex nearly the size of Vatican City located on Commonwealth Avenue, New Era, Quezon City, Philippines and is the seat of the INC's Central Administration. In addition to the six-story Central Office Building, there are six other major edifices and several buildings. The major buildings include the 7,000-seat Central Temple, the multi-purpose Tabernacle hall, the 30,000-seat Central Pavilion, the College of Evangelical Ministry, the New Era General Hospital, and the New Era University. At first, the location was exactly what its name, Diliman, describes: dark, desolate and lonely. In 1968, Eraño Manalo moved the Central Office from the chapel on Riverside Street, San Juan, Metro Manila to its present location. The INC acquired several hectares of land and in the next forty years transformed the area to what it is today....
Diliman, on the other hand, means to darken. Some of the definitons can be read in AudioEnglish.net.
Meaning: Tarnish or stain Classified under: Verbs of touching, hitting, tying, digging Context example: a scandal that darkened the family's good name Hypernyms (to "darken" is one way to...): defile; maculate; stain; sully; tarnish (make dirty or spotty, as by exposure to air; also used metaphorically)
Desperate Greetings, Desperate Measures
INC Ministers indoctrinate the holy kiss, two opposite cheeks touching, based on Wycliffe's teaching but without the use of the lips. Before, the name Iglesia ni Cristo is the name to be used for greeting. The INC members can't do this to their Sir Erano Manalo. Thus, one will not be surprised reading birthday greetings from two INCs below, in previous articles, who are both taking their chance that their Executive Minister, Erano Manalo probably read them, even if their INC brethren wrote nasty things among themselves here, out of frustration.
1. Beth S. Bautro (not verified) at 01:35 on January 2nd, 2009
2. Sheena Vie C. altarejos (not verified) at 05:30 on December 21st, 2008
"Desperate times call for drastic measures?"
INC Administration Ministers are buying for time. They want to prolong discussions that will divert attention away to a hiding Erano Manalo. Remember, Bro. Eli has no spokesperson whenever he calls Erano Manalo for a debate. He personally speaks for the whole members, he faces debate. But here comes the INC Ministers, no Erano Manalo, but they ask for Bro. Eli's location. For what? To catch him?
There is no point of doing this if Erano Manalo is not ready for the debate with affirmation that he will either personally, if not, even on voice, and or, video phone; or online, to face Bro. Eli? But no.
Even the INC Admin/Anchor/Ministers know that Bro. Eli holds his BIBLE EXPOSITIONS abroad. There are INCs coming out and coming up with their own propositions in behalf of their Sir Erano Manalo.
Imagine the havoc caused by a leader who cannot stand for his faith. INC Ministers are known to be brave and bold debaters many decades ago, and many people will see now the power of their debate, the power of the delaying tactic, nuisance insertion of information, and the after debate - physical abuse. They do this on a debate when there is no camera, so you can't possibly catch them. Thank God, there are developments, we can now collect their arguments in the form of comments from two or more INC Ministers or INCs from the same news forum with the same topic and from their video programs.
To highlight some comments that showcase their opposing convictions out of their own desperation, observe the strategies and tactics:
1. Bro. Eli vs. Pope John Paul II while using Latin dialect, before Erano Manalo comes out. Let us not forget, INC Executive Minister Erano gave this proposal, read by INC Admin/Ministers/TV Anchor, Ramil Parba what Bro. Eli should do first. So we don't know if Erano Manalo said that unless there is a video recorded proposal of him. Ramil Parba added that Erano Manalo wanted Bro. Eli to debate with Pope John Paul II in Latin.
It is now the debate between the Catholic Head and the Presiding Minister of MCGI. However, Erano Manalo's condition back fired, the Pope died soon after they broadcasted their "final proposal" for Bro. Eli's dare for one-on-one debate.
Diversionary, indeed! But the eyes of people gone back to Bro. Eli vs. Erano Manalo.
Do you think, Erano Manalo faced Brother Eli as this may be a sign that there is someone out there greater than us who wanted this debate to happen? No.
2. So what if the Pope died, does he not have a successor thereafter? An INC, Rizalino L. Arrabis, a US military based in Guam came out in the internet, insinuating that another pope is available to debate Bro. Eli. I thought it's only Erano Manalo who has no confidence to authorize his able Ministers to debate Bro. Eli, but it is blatant that even Rizalino L. Arrabis lost his confidence to the same when he said:
Rizalino L. ArrabisSo what if the Pope died, does he not have a successor thereafter?
Is Arrabis the substitute of Ramil Parba to relay the proposal of Erano Manalo? So, Bro. Eli should debate the succeeding Pope? Then, the succeeding Pope?
Then, the next Pope? Who else? What else?
Erano Manalo's first call where he fronted Pope John Paul II in his place is evidence that he really has no confidence of himself and will not come out.
Needless to say, Erano Manalo is neither confident to face Bro. Eli or let his INC Admin, Anchor, Ministers to debate in his stead.
3. INCs' best bet debater: the Papas, the Sir, or the Ka's? Erano Manalo's proposal defeated their cause, the firm stand of the INC Ministers that they are ready to face any one on debate. Even Rizalino L. Arrabis AKA Elias Ibarra became confused with his military stand, his faith went in shambles in the eyes of the readers, after he said both statements below:
Rizalino L. ArrabisSo what if the Pope died, does he not have a successor thereafter?...
Rizalino L. Arrabis...Every minister of the Iglesia Ni Cristo is trained to and debate. They represent the Church in any contingency and they are well-trained to meet head-on any challenge emanating from the detractors such as your cult. They could engage Eliseo Soriano, your MICS, and anybody from your cult in a debate anytime and anywhere. Did you remember the debate between Eliseo Soriano and Bro. Joe Ventilacion....
4. Mute, deaf and disappearing act. Ka Joe Ventilacion (an INC Minister) never bothered to talk back when Bro. Eli answered him on Ang Dating Daan, The Old Path TV program and has proven that the former was trying to even negate the words of the scriptures just to hit the latter. The YouTube title of the said broadcast is "Jose Ventilacion: Patutunayan na Di Totoo Salita ng Dios," (Jose Ventilacion: To prove the falsity of the Word of God).
This is what they do in the Ang Tamang Daan program when Bro. Eli points one by one their mistakes, they are suddenl being taken out of the program for a while, and then they will be brought back with another lie, regardless if their broadcasts are taped. INC Minister Joe Ventilacion was not even corrected by his co-INC Minister-Anchors Ramil Parba and Michael Sandoval or any INC TV editor, or their INC Administration.
5. Pre-empting obstacles or difficulties that may prevent the one-on-one debate. For example, emico lantaran (not verified) at 18:59 on October 4th, 2008 said,
emico lantaran (not verified)But where's the debate going to be held? It can't be the Philippines coz Eli is wanted in the Philippines, both by the Philippine law and by the Muslim he so boldly called killers. Where is he anyway?" Amsterdam maybe?
Suffice to say, another diversion, but this statement proves that that Erano Manalo will never come out into the open. Ironically, he even pointed out the possible location of Bro. Eli. Therefore, the problem is with his Executive Minister Erano Manalo.
Bro. Eli has previous debate engagements on live TV, so it is definitely possible. Bro. Eli beforehand said he can face Erano Manalo wherever the latter chooses. Erano Manalo is billionaire. If you think his money is owned by the INC members, then go ahead, make signature campaigns to allow Erano Manalo to spend half of the cost of the TV broadcast for the debate. If you will problem the other half of the cost, don't. It is not your problem anymore.
He really wanted his debater Executive Minister Erano Manalo to eacape losing face. Yes, we can see INC member, emico lantaran's effort but what about Erano Manalo? He is not doing his job to defend lantaran's faith. Is he really blindly following the dictates of his faith or pride? There is no Erano Manalo or Manalos to face Bro. Eli's challenge, got it? One realizes that Erano Manalo will need a lot of courage and guts to come out just as well as lantaran did when he wrote his comments. No facts about lantaran's religious affiliation yet. But his color is there.
What about the Muslims? This is the essence of Datu Ambiong's interview. He testifies that all issues of INCs are fabricated issues against Brother Eli Soriano concerning the Muslims. He said that whatever arguments INC have with Bro. Eli, INC should not use Muslims as instruments. INC cannot dictate Muslims. He said "We can think for ourselves." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dHNLYCS5JY
Datu Amparol Ambiong is the Chairman of the Muslim Peace and Order Coordination CouncilTo INC, don't use Muslims against Bro. Eli Soriano. To my brother Muslims, do not believe in the issues exposed by INC because they very much wanted a fight between Bro. Eli Soriano's group and us about fabricated issues that have no truth to it...
INCs are just making stories again to divert the attention away from the real culprit, themselves.
6. INTERPOL can't take it back but it can only explain what it did. Even the INTERPOL was persuaded by INC to post Bro. Eli's photo to harass him. Interpol, constitution wisely, should not involve itself on a case of rape accusations. As a highly respected body, Interpol will lose its credibility the longer it ignores the issue. It should review the report it received about Bro. Eli, or it will be too late for them.
While on the other hand, the move to involve Interpol was essential for the INC. Why? Is this a red signal? To Stop what? And to Start what?
Bro. Eli is seen preaching the word of God and exposing the evils of false teachings of the false teachers, false prophets, and false angels around the World, thereby ensuring that people understand the pure and undefiled gospel of God. More and more foreigners are becoming aware now, just like how many Filipinos became wiser biblical speaking.
So, to stop this International-Godly works, INC Ministers do their own works by fabricating stories using the Interpol to suggest a seemingly concrete story. Even some foreigners, were attracted to the stories made up by the INC Admin. http://flying-squadron.blogspot.com/
Indeed! "Where there is foul odor, there the flies gather; where there are carcasses, there the vultures wait." Foreigners that act like INC Ministers, here they come..
7. INC's notebook. People are left options whether to pick up from stories maliciously crafted or to follow the good news that prospers spiritually. They are starting to use Allison Lopez of the Inquirer.net, who wrote "Dating Daan's Ely Soriano posts bail," posted 18:57:00 08/29/2008. Why would this woman reporter be the first to know? Why was there a follow up news from her, being a juicy story, but the subject's correct name and religious program affiliation were misspelled? Were they not carefully researched? Were the editors of Inquirer.net never proofread these stories?
But as far as the art of war is concerned, these news by dubious people were carefully designed, but grossly made as far as the fight of faith is concerned. Even if you ask the analysts on this field, there is a structure of defense and offense. I think the least these people will ask for a hand is the International Court for Human Rights.
8. Mangle work, by false faith and by pride. Another name came out, attempting to destroy the name of the Truthcaster.
Wikipedia.orgTruthcaster is a 24/7 broadband channel dedicated to live and interactive webcasts of Eliseo Soriano, to which the discussions include exposing the alleged non-biblical doctrines of Iglesia ni Cristo...
The culprit is the opposite called, Conrad J. Obligacion, an INC and a cohort that writes baseless stories, that's why he is now tagged as liecaster by commentators in Nowpublic.com. Surely, he is braver to give another proposal, not the messenger like Minister Ramil Parba, and yet there is no authorization from his Executive Minister, Erano Manalo.
Read below and be alarmed of their behavior (he actually gave more than one proposal without any seal of authority, only the eagerness to do harm than good):
Conrad J. Obligacion aka Truthcaster of Nowpublic.comI'll make you a deal. Tell Soriano to remove all the nasty things you and other Soriano supporters wrote and posted about other religions and I'll stop writing about Soriano. Do we have a deal? If not, I'll just keep writing...."; "...Anyway, what about the deal. Are you going to remove the nasty post or not? I'm pretty sure, if I start posting Soriano will regret it....
Conrad J. Obligacion aka Truthcaster in Nowpublic.comI have just proven in this short article that his Phillip Garcia is much like his leader, the fugitive Eliseo Fernando Soriano. They are both guilty of libel and if I had my way they will both be in jail.
These INCs act like pawns of Erano and Eduardo by being silent all these years! Erano Manalo should clear it out that INC Admin, TV and radio Anchors and their supporters have not received a blessing from him nor authority to spread bigotry and statements.
Their silence pushes INC members to be more angry to people outside their church. Not learning the true teaching of God, will inflame their desire to become merciless towards people inside and outside their INC:
1. Having no pity; not merciful.
2. Not exciting pity.
And what do we see from INC Admin/Anchors and supporters, they incite terrorism. Well we have a lot of source, take youtube.com for example. Calling the attention of MTRCB, please watch the later part of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdnkoY7eHPQ
"The desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy?"
9. IT Authority is INC Deputy Minister. Eduardo Manalo, (also known as Ka Eddie and Ka Eddie Boy), has not negated any of the slanders of INC Rizalino L. Arrabis AKA Elias Ibarra and the false TRUTCASTER AKA Conrad J. Obligacion.
Wikipedia.orgHe [Eduardo V. Manalo] was born to Eraño G. Manalo and Cristina Villanueva and is an active amateur radio enthusiast. Manalo ran a local radio frequency bulletin board service at a time whenInternet access in the Philippines was practically non-existent, and due to that, is credited as one of the pioneers in Internet usage in the Philippines. He contributed to the founding of an organization within the INC called The Association of Christians in Information Technology (AsCII), an organization consisting of INC members in the Information technology field who perform computer-related assistance to the church.
Ka Eddie Manalo, being the head of their IT and being the INC Deputy Minister, he has not managed to disclaim these INC people nor correct them with their idea that:
Rizalino L. Arrabis alias Elias Ibarra or Ka Dodong...My idea here is to defend the Iglesia Ni Cristo, demolish, and neutralize the detractors for all these comes up as the battle for the hearts and minds. I know pretty well that I have done a good job worthy of a Christian soldier....
1 : the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
2 : a false and defamatory oral statement about a person
Has any of you observed that there is no difference, when INC Ministers and cohorts speak and write?
'Desperate times, compassionate measures!'
Though there are foreign religious groups who tend to side with the malicious liars; there are foreign religious leaders who will side using their common sense, and conscience:
a Oneness Apostolic Messianic PastorIf Pastor Soriano wants to speak against INC or anyone else he may do so, but he can be liable for slander or a hate crime. But this is not the case here or INC would have filed such a case. At issue here is the constitutional liberty of free speech which Pastor Soriano is exercising. As a Oneness Apostolic Messianic Pastor I disagree with Pastor Soriano on several issues, but these differences do not rise to the level of me wanting him dead, hurt, or in any way persecuted. I understand INC wants to silence everyone who disagrees with their teachings it hurts their evangelism conversions. They cannot grow bigger if there are men who expose and oppose them. So, Pastor Soriano is a target for INC hate and persecution. I think INC should go about trying to defeat Pastor Soriano in a different way then wanting him dead. Erano Manalo should come out of his bunker and go on TV and agree to debate with Pastor Soriano. But I do not see this happening because Pastor Manalo may not have the anointing or the gift of de
You will see if the intention is based on conscience, but I have previously stated above and gave reference on how the INC concerned people are making up stories determined to handicap the minds of the people with their malicious write ups, points finger who and whom to debate, and others made their initiative to propose what they will do to Bro. Eli without providing a signed authorization from the Supreme Head of INC. (Sounds cultic when you use the title, like what Allison Lopez did to Bro. Eli in her news)
Jane Abao: "...This is the story of that Allison Lopez in Philippine Daily Inquirer:
Allison LopezMANILA, Philippines -- The head of "Ang Dating Daan" religious group, Eliseo "Ely" Soriano, who has been charged with raping a male follower in Pampanga, posted P240,000 bail at the Manila Regional Trial Court Saturday after he apparently surrendered to a police officer in Pandacan.
Jane AbaoFirst, let me make it clear that Bro. Soriano is out of the country since end of 2005 and could not "surrender"at the same time in the Philippines. [Also, this woman's twisting Bro. Soriano's name is to impress that he is not male. The correct form is "Eli."]
Jane Abao: First, let me make it clear that Bro. Soriano is out of the country since end of 2005 and could not "surrender"at the same time in the Philippines. [Also, this woman's twisting Bro. Soriano's name is to impress that he is not male. The correct form is "Eli."]
Allison LopezThe controversial Church of God International supreme head was indicted on rape charges at the regional trial court of Macabebe, Pampanga,
I will also join with Miss Jane Abao calling for the justice keepers to study the case of Bro. Eli - we are experiencing the hocus pocus that is in the justice system in our country and becoming a big joke to the rest of the world:
Jane Abao: Those of you who are lawyers, look at this: If it was the regional trial court of Macabebe, Pampanga that indicted him, what is the sense of posting a bail at the Manila Regional Trial Court? As readers, we must be analytical of what these people are writing about....",
Jane AbaoThose of you who are lawyers, look at this: If it was the regional trial court of Macabebe, Pampanga that indicted him, what is the sense of posting a bail at the Manila Regional Trial Court? As readers, we must be analytical of what these people are writing about....", "...And as if the story woven by Puto is bullet-proof. This case should be entered in International Law books for students to study. Never again should it happen!..."
Jane Abao: "...And as if the story woven by Puto is bullet-proof. This case should be entered in International Law books for students to study. Never again should it happen!..."
Though there are scrupulous reporters in media, because we cannot expect understanding and intelligent analysis from people who dirtied their hands - killing their own countrymen with their own human ideas, quack advices, and selfish doctrines; still there are those journalists like Ma'am Jane Abao whose pursuit is Justice and Truth.
"The poor and homeless are desperate for water, their tongues parched and no water to be found. But I'm there to be found, I'm there for them, and I, God of Israel, will not leave them thirsty. I'll open up rivers for them on the barren hills, spout fountains in the valleys. I'll turn the baked-clay badlands into a cool pond, the waterless waste into splashing creeks. I'll plant the red cedar in that treeless wasteland, also acacia, myrtle, and olive. I'll place the cypress in the desert, with plenty of oaks and pines. Everyone will see this. No one can miss it— unavoidable, indisputable evidence That I, God, personally did this. It's created and signed by The Holy of Israel.
Thank God! Some people are already noticing the spread of lies by these INCs in tri-media, even abroad.
We expect this from people who have shared their clean hands in order to propagate the True Gospel of God- those who, hand in hand, building free Transient Homes for the homeless and medical services; and in Africa who built with the natives their homes and water irrigations, etc. out of compassion. Regardless of these, we all need the truth in our lives. And God words are the most powerful tool to make us holy. Not to be too late, at the end of the day, let us try harder to analyze and deliberate, and refer to the Holy Bible, to soon find out, like watching on TV, or in a Big Screen, how these wolves in sheep's clothing are trying to stop the spreading of God's Gospel in all ways and means.
Don't waste your time on useless work, mere busywork, the barren pursuits of darkness. Expose these things for the sham they are. It's a scandal when people waste their lives on things they must do in the darkness where no one will see. Rip the cover off those frauds and see how attractive they look in the light of Christ. Wake up from your sleep, Climb out of your coffins; Christ will show you the light! So watch your step. Use your head. Make the most of every chance you get. These are desperate times! If the apostles and the prophets were not exempted to suffer and face this ordeal brought by the kind of fight the anti-Christs' herald, neither are we exempted to be persecuted.
INC, let your INC King and Queens face the Bishop of Members, Church of God International (MCGI)! Look where you are going with your delete and jail unauthorized proposals and opinions.
Do you think your Executive Minister, Erano Manalo is overwhelmed and thankful for what you have done? He would mind, wouldn't he? The more INCs actuations are revealed to the world through the cyberspace, Erano Manalo will have the guts to come out, will he not?
Do you think with your insinuations and opinion to slander and terrorize ADD again, and again, place you to the pedestal of righteousness?
Do you think that since dubious foreigners are taking INC Admins' lead for dubious news, they are spreading truth?
We are all spectators, and what separates us from the dead is that we have the ability to recognize what is good and evil, now that we both say that we are Christians. A Christian does not only teach, but also practices mercy, compassion and justice. With these, where are you Erano Manalo? Hear your followers' merciless and pitiless shout in the cyberspace. Show compassion to those people they are tearing apart.
Act now! Fight the good fight of faith!