Mumbai Terror Outfit's Teachings Exposed

As far as I know the entire Pakistani state, army and ISI are rogue. I do not beleive in rogue elements.....

We all know that there is no such thing as "rogue elements" but the entire army is rogue itself. The term is being used in a sense as if there is a group within the army that pursuing its own objectives and has its own command structure. The state's official line is that the army as an organization is not involved in terrorism, though, there are some mid-ranking officers who are sympathetic to the cuase of jehadi none-state actors and aiding those elements individually. 

This is uttern nonesese. In this age of information, even a school kid knows that how a well integrated organization works especially military one and within such an oranization, how and who formulates the process of strategic planning and war doctrine?

No matter how hard the army tries to distance itself from the Jehadi groups and portry them as enemy; but the fact is that aims of these groups conincide with army's long-longterm objectivs in both western and eastern borders of Pakistan.

Perhaps the only difference between army and jehadi groups is Islamic idealogy, the army employ religion as a means to ends whereas for jehadist, fundamentle Islam is an end itself.

 

Pakis made an Organisation in 1906 (Muslim league) on the fudamentals of Islamofacisim but untill today do not claimed themselfs as islamofacists.

Pakis gave religions to land as Islam Abad, Kalima Chowk, and Pakistan ka matlab Laillah illah....etc. Whether a land has religion.but they did not declared themselves as Islamofacists.

Pakis made even stolen Atomic bomb formula and made Atomic bomb and nominated it as Islamic bomb whether a bomb has a religion.....? But they do not declared themselves as Islamofacists.

The Paki intelligence on the basis of religion fought against Russian forces in Afghanistanand made Talibans, Alqaida, Jaish Mohammadi, JUD....? but they do not declared themselves as Islamofacists.

And similarly Pakistani Govt. and Intelligencia has killed tousands of thousands Bangalis and Raped their Females on the basis of Islam.......? but they do not declared themselves as Islamofacists.

Paki Intelligencia killed hundreds of innocent people throgh its wing Alqaida in 9/11 attacks on USA .... but they do not declared themselves as Islamofacists...?

And the Same Govt. and its Intelligencia has Killed several people through its khudkosh Mujahiddins in India.....? but they do not declared themselves as Islamofacists?

Paki forces killing hundreds of Baloch people becz they ask for their rights and freedom ....?but they do not declare themselves as Islamofacists.....?

Dear alll today this all is Islomofacist Govt. and Army which is the planner and creators of Jihadi's terrorising the hummanity every where in the world...?

My salutes to Muneer Mengal, who faced worst torture at the hands of Pakistan military intelligence, got destroyed financially but kept steadfast.

For perpetual deniers, here is solid proof. Watch this video to see how Pakistan was definitely involved in the mumbai attacks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or8FnLE7XTA

Very interesting post... perhaps it should have an opinion flag?

A Baloch generalist Ahmar Mustikhan is exposing the true face of the state "Pakistan" through his investigative reports such reports are not expected by any Pakistani reporter.

While India democracy has been flourishing for the last 61 years, the state of the Pakistan has been run from its birth by military generals.  

In 1971 Pakistani military committed genocide with its own Muslim brothers Bengalis, the same state rulers never learned from their past evil mistakes and it has been treating the Balochistan as its colony.

The past golden age of free and unconditional military and financial support from United States through CIA and rich Saudi Arabia and Muslim world is over now. Because world has seen the true face of Pakistani all rulers of double game.

When the United States and rich Muslim Arab world, such as Saudi Arabia pumped billions of dollars during the 1979 Soviet invasions era in Afghanistan to Pakistani rulers for their interest.

The  Pakistani Dictator Zia Ul Haq used that free billions dollars and opened thousands religious schools (Maddaressa) and through their radical teaching they graduated as a Taliban’s and Jihad’s and became killers. Obviously, they have not became teachers, doctors, Engineers and scientist

Amaad, I raised those valid points on doctrinal level of Pakistan army’s war fighting philosophy and Islam as the official ideology of the state of Pakistan, the chief reason to form this state, i.e., the so called two nation theory, (though it sank in the Bay of Bengal in 1971). I did not discuss any individual incident like the one you mentioned in your second post (purges took place within army under Sherif government).  

Nonetheless, you may argue that the army is trying hard to crush jehadi forces especially Pakhtoons who live along Durand Line. But this happens when those jehadis turn against their masters, the army, thereby undermining Pakistan’s interests. So long as the they fight against Nato and Afghan forces, the army has no objections whatsoever. Even the military, as an institution provides overt and covert support to those jehadis when they conduct terrorist activities within Afghanistan. The recent bombing of Indian embassy in Kabul is a clear example of such clandestine operations. The CIA publically stated that Pakistan’s military aided those perpetrators to attack Indian Embassy.

In your second paragraph, you assert that the Indians propped up separatist organizations in the former East Pakistan and are currently fuelling the present insurgency in Balochistan. Further, you justify Pakistan’s actions in creating unrest within Indian territories through jehadis, i.e. a proxy war between two nuclear rivals. As far as Indian intervention in former East Pakistan is concerned, Pakistan army had actually created such conditions which subsequently, led to Indian military intervention, nearly four million Bengalis were massacred by the military, a second biggest genocide in the 20th century and millions crossed border to seek refuge in India. Though Indian intervention was timely, it was unjustified according to International Law. However, India created a new precedent what is known at present as Humanitarian Intervention, a precedent which can work as a deterrent to those rogue states (e.g Pakistan and Yugoslavia) who tend to commit genocide within their territories and hide behind the shield of sovereignty.

What is shocking in terms of military’s conduct is that it never learns lessons from its past.

As I said in my previous post that army and jihadist both treat Islamic ideology differently, the former uses Islam as a means to promote Punjab’s interests within and outside of its territories, the later employs religion as an end itself. But both can be termed as strategic partners. And it is absurd to think that they are separable.

By the way, I can see a post of Munir Mengal, a hero and a true son of Baloch nation who emerged as the man of high  resolve after going through two years of torture in the hand of this brutal military.

Munir, we all proud of you!

It is a great tragedy that Indian people and government have proved to be incompetent

to face the Pakistani menance since last 60years. They have been repeatedly attacked

by Pakistani army and other sabotuers gangs in Kashmir, Afghanistan and various parts

of India. The Indian politicians have always followed the politics of patience; but never

came out with a solution to this great menance which is a Cancer eating the peace , the

human lives and resouces of India. By supporting Bangladeshi people India has very

successfully reduced to half the danger which was being faced by them since 1948; but

the remaining half continued its' intrigues, conspiracies and sabotuers till this day. The only

solution to this problem rests with dismemberment of Pakistan into several States i.e.SIND,

BALOCHISTAN, SERIKISTAN & PUSHTOONISTAN; and the remaining part of

Punjanb would be annexed to East Punjab. As there is a Saying "Na Rahay Bans, Na

Bajay Bansari.    .

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Ahmar--Excellent article for exposing the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 />Pakistan's rogue army and its shadowy ISI real face in the world. The Pakistan army and ISI are the biggest terrorists that the modern world yet needs to understand. As long as Pakistan has this vibrant and strong army with the US financial support, there would not be any peace in the South Asian region in particular and in the world in general. Pakistan is the bastion and breading ground for these terrorists, where these terrorists are groomed by notorious ISI for its nefarious design to destabilize the regional countries India and Afghanistan.. 

 Pakistan's rogue ISI created many Madras in Balochistan and created thousands of  jihadists not only for the purpose of disturbing the peace of the regional countries, but also used these jihadists to encounter and reduce the influence of the nationalists in Balochistan politics for daring to demand for their just rights.  The ISI and other agencies have already been successful in achieving their goal for marginalizing the nationalists in the Balochistan politics by inducting their own hand picked smugglers and criminals in the provincial and federal government as well.  

 

Dear Hammad, there is a book Named "Ghazi" i have forgotten the writer Name, when the Mumbai attack news flash on my TV screen I remember that character who is in India for counter intelligence in mid 80s he was training and doing same thing that has happened in 27 December 2008 in Mumbai,In my point of view today’s global economic and other crises are due to Saudis, US $$$ and Pakis, US $$$ and rich Saudi Govt. funding and the Pakistani intelligence and Army's Brain washing Factories producing the terrorists and Export them to various countries to archive there targets. Dear Hammad As you know there are two groups in ISI & Pakis Army one (Hameed Gul and Co) is directly supporting and funding the Islamic militants and Jahidees then the other fiction is against these movements, Do u know why NATO forces directly Hitting there targets inside Pakistan because when they (ISAF & NATO) inform Pakistani Intelligence about the suspect or share the core information with Pakistan Army and intelligence,with in  minutes ISI & Army officials inform or leak the information to core suspects and they escape from the scene, what is this enemities , Friendship or support? who was taliban do u bleave they were students of religion Madrassas ? They were regular Pak Army men

1971 Bangladesh Indian interfere: forget the Bangladesh look into Balochistan, what is going on in Balochistan its 5th operation going on in Balochistan in this operation hundred and thousands of Marri, Bughti and other Baloch tribesmen killed and 6000 are in the Army Camps and Torture Cells, like Muneer Mengal, what was his sin? I think opening a Balochi TV Channel is a big sin in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 />Pakistan? 

As soon as Possible Pakistan Should brake into various Parts and territories other wise 3rd world war is not far away, as we seen the activities of ISI, MI and other Islamic co-called Religious Groups, Mumbai incident was a one indecation they want to carry for cilivized world that we can do every thing we want..................... 

I see a lot of emotions and anger here. at no point I am trying to justify the actions of Pakistani government. I am from Kashmir and I know how it feels like when your loved ones suffer at the hands of state or private terror.
Although I disagree with some of the points raised but I don’t think that I will achieve any thing by carrying on with the discussion. But  I would condemn any state atrocities against the Baloch people. I have lived in Quetta for few years and am really fascinated and impressed by this proud race.  just want to point out one thing here.. don’t write off Kasmiris as a gang of saboteurs because you have grievances against the Pakistani government keep the anger and hatred for the perpetrators.. Kashmiris have no part in it. that was quiet insulting to say the least. we haven’t sufferance less if not more than the Baloch nation over decades.

peace

 

Dear Ahmaad, You can say Balochs and not so far educated (there is not any education system in Pakistan that makes one real educated) but we have a vision we have 8000 civilized history we have had a Kallat state etc. from the very first day we are with them they are facing state or private terror weather they are in Pakistan, India or any other countries that’s we don’t believe on Race, Cast or Religion all are respectable for us they all are creature of God and human being and nobody have right to kill or occupy them in the name of Race and Religions etc. we all are  by birth Muslim, Hindu Jew etc, and there is not any personal well to be a Muslim, Indu (you would be a Hindu, Jew by birth )or whatsoever. We have our sympathy with all of them they are betrayed forced to be slave and facing state exploitations.

Dear If you belong to so-called AJK then you can’t say Jammu Kashmir is AZAAD because I have visited all over JK and seen they have all natural resources i.e. water, natural beauties etc and if state of JK utilize these said Resources then no Kashmiri travel 2000Km and came Karachi for earning, I have seen there poverty, they are very hard worker but ignored, living in the top of mountains there is no water, no electricity, for school the kids travel more then 5/10 km but still slogans raise “Pakistan Zindabad”.

And if you belong to Occupied JK then I can say whenever your people do not stop playing in the hand of ISI you never get liberate from <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 />India.

Because all over world include UN believe that there is no Kashmir issue and Pakistan and India playing game of counter blaming, India blame on Pakistan side that northern Areas and So-called AJK are part of India while Pakistan blame Kashmir is its “SHAH RUGH” and should given to Pakistan or world accept its sovereignty because Pakistan wants make Kashmir as Paralyzed state like AJK and get all water resources from Kashmir and make green Punjab.

 

Now its enough there should be change, Kashmiri should stop playing in the hands of ISI if they want Real libration, and we Baloch are fighting our final round with pakistan and get soon our libration.

 

 

Hi to Every body,

Dear Ahmer and other brothers ...what we see by analyzing the idealogy of civilization,nationalisim etc. Then we go through the history of thousands of years.....by a very long cyclic processes a Nation with unique,language, cultur,traditions, land and history has given birth. Those are the Nations. But in case of Pakistan what we see just a Dream of Iqbal, A blaffing 1940 resolution,.... a cheater ponjah and then the brutal killings of Bangalis in the name of Islam, Jihad in Afghanistan, and launching 9/11 with its baby wing Alqaidah, and killing of indians .....in the name of Jihad, Killing and Bombaring of Baloch for asking their rights and right for freedom. What a rough idealogy of a rough Nation.

Dear What are the main pillars of Pakistan....?

1)Islamofacisim ( Separate Nation theory on basis of Religion)

2)Pakistan Army (ISI, MI, Bravo, 313, CID)

3) Atomic Bomb ( Pak named it Islamic Bomb... it will kill only Non-Muslims)

4)Islamofacist forces: ( all army of Pakist, all money of Muslims i.e. Arabs, Alqaida wing, Mojahiddin and their sub-groups,)

Now if we analyze the rough elements then all of the above stated pillars are rough elements to Hummanity, to civilisation and to the world. Dear it is very interesting to hear from a state reresentative that there are some rough elements in Pak army...... wawo....The boss is rough then how you expect goodness from subordinates. Now the world must understant that ...the creation of Boundaries in the name of religions is dangerous to hummanity so.....None country boundry shall be sketched on the name of religion.......other wise there would be 9/11, 7/7, Bombay attack, Alqaida, Taliban...etc would happen and excist. What will happen to the europe if they skatch their boundaries on the basis of religion ........in stead of humman civilization... certainly an other Pakistan would excist ..... Therefor there is no rough element the roughness to hummanity and world is the Idealogy of Pakistan, The Army of Pakistan, the Islamic Atomic bomb of Pakistan, and the killings of innocent people in India, Balochistan and in America 9/11.

Thanx to all

Well seems to me that the arrest of Hindu terrorists in Malegoan terrrorist attack and the potential arrest of other Hindu terrorists by the brilliant and honest officer Hemant Karkare led to his assasination.  

Hindu terrorists stop killing innocent people.